GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #2

[tiredblondy]

The link you provided is quoting the
New York Daily news and I can not find one article they published that states that. This is a game changer if they did.,,

A Georgia man searched the Internet for information on how long it takes an animal to die in a hot car in the days before his 22-month-old son died from overheating in a hot SUV, according to a report Wednesday.

At some point prior to the boy’s tragic death, which a coroner said Wednesday was from hyperthermia and declared a homicide, Harris searched on his work computer for details on animals dying in overheated cars, a source told the Fox affiliate.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...died-backseat-article-1.1843382#ixzz35rj5I0G0

 

[newone]

I still can't get the freaking old banana and apple smell out of my car. I have tried everything and air fresheners make it worse. I gag every time I have to get in there. (My smell is much less today though, thank goodness.)

someone spilled yogurt in my car years ago ((an adult believe it or not - they are worse than kids)).....had to replace the carpeting it reeked even though it was cleaned up right away.....

 

[Spice]

Circumstantial evidence is often stronger than eyewitness testimony or confessions. Eyewitnesses often get it wrong- just watched an episode of Forensic Files where several witnesses to a rapist/serial killer all reported he was white. His DNA correctly identified him as black. They got him based on his DNA profile.
Confessions can also be false- see Mark Karr in the JonBenet Ramsey case, and Chuck Erickson in the murder of Kent Heithold, got Ryan Ferguson falsely convicted.
Does this answer your question?

Absolutely 100 percent correct. It is well known that they cannot be relied on to recall accurately. A well known fact.

 

[laceandruffles]

But he didn't say he heard him choking while he was driving. He said he suddenly remembered he never took Cooper to daycare. He told witnesses (not LE in his statement or at the scene) that his son was choking.

As far as I know LE has not commented on the 911 call or why they were dispatched to RH and CH. The choking story is from eyewitnesses. We do not yet know if that is what RH said was happening or not. He was suppose to not know his son was in the car, so why report a choking child instead of an unresponsive child. Basically RH has done a bad job of cover up.

I just read Randy Travis's twitter feed (Fox 5 Atlanta) and "terrible details coming"

 

[popsicle]

The link you provided is quoting the
New York Daily news and I can not find one article they published that states that. This is a game changer if they did.,,

A Georgia man searched the Internet for information on how long it takes an animal to die in a hot car in the days before his 22-month-old son died from overheating in a hot SUV, according to a report Wednesday.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...died-backseat-article-1.1843382#ixzz35kGWkItc

 

[newone]

Oh my gosh...what a load of :silenced::silenced::silenced::silenced:!!! I so agree with you!

Would really like to know who is responsible for that upload

 

[BrianInBirmingham]

No. Much information is simply not included in warrants.



In many of these cases, people will contort to find excuses, such as coincidence for apparently incriminating information. IMO it is too grand a "coincidence" that someone would have a computer search about how long it takes an animal to die in a hot car, right before their child died the same way.

Also, people keep saying a mere hit or click is the same as a "search". It's not. A search implies search terms were put in Google or some browser, and searched.



Excellent question. Day cares usually do call if a child is not there, in my experience. Hmmm.

Hey! I'm aware of the differences between a click and a search... I'm just pointing to the possibility that somewhere between the observation of a page in history, that information being overheard by an anonymous source, and that information being passed to the reporter, a click could have become a "search"

 

[gitana1]

My whole point in this line of discussion, is it seems extremely far-fetched to me to think the daycare called and Harris lied about why Cooper wasn't there that day. There are a lot of things that can be speculated on, and might/might not be true - but I'm sure LE quickly interviewed the daycare and determined that no notification to the dad was made that day to alert him that Cooper hadn't arrived.

It's inconceivable to me that his family would be standing by him if that were the case.

Once questions like that enter a forum discussion, within a couple days they become "well, I read somewhere that the daycare called the dad that morning".

I agree with most of this. I think LE would know this immediately and it doesn't seem part of the picture here.

But I disagree that LE would necessarily tell the family yet, this info, if they had it.

 

[CCmakes3]

I'm glad to see I wasn't alone. The portion of the obituary that mentions car, truck, vehicle, parking lot - for a child who died in a car, in a lot, left by his father...
Well, I find it unusual. Quite unusual, indeed.

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I find it in almost unfathomably poor taste. There's NOTHING else they could say about this beloved child??? Nothing about his personality that WOULDN'T conjure up images of how he died?? Really?? Wow. It's almost like they are trying to imply that he liked cars so much that the experience of dying in one must not have been that traumatic for him. The repeated mention of cars, parking lots, etc. seems so insensitive and out of place that I have to think there is some significance to it....but what???

 

[blue22]

Hey! I.m aware of the differences between a click and a search... I'm just pointing to the possibility that somewhere between the observation of a page, that information being overheard by an anonymous source, and that information being passed to the reporter, a click could have become a "search"

In the newscast, on facebook, and on twitter, the reporter said that the leak came from a source involved in the investigation directly to him.

It doesn't appear this was information overhead and passed along. He said the direct leak was "a search for how long it takes an animal to die in a car."

 

[LisaB]

The link you provided is quoting the
New York Daily news and I can not find one article they published that states that. This is a game changer if they did.,,

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...died-backseat-article-1.1843382#ixzz35kGWkItc

 

[BrianInBirmingham]

In the newscast, on facebook, and on twitter, the reporter said that the leak came from a source involved in the investigation directly to him.

It doesn't appear this was information overhead and passed along. He said the direct leak was "a search for how long it takes an animal to die in a car."

I don't buy it...that's not pointed at you directly, but I simply don't accept this premiss without confirmation.

 

[blue22]

As far as I know LE has not commented on the 911 call or why they were dispatched to RH and CH. The choking story is from eyewitnesses. We do not yet know if that is what RH said was happening or not. He was suppose to not know his son was in the car, so why report a choking child instead of an unresponsive child. Basically RH has done a bad job of cover up.

I just read Randy Travis's twitter feed (Fox 5 Atlanta) and "terrible details coming"

I think he meant terrible details were coming into him, in the past sense...not a forewarning of a new story. I saw the exchange before the other person deleted.

I have only read that he told the police he remember his child and pulled over.

ETA: I don't know why I worded that the way I did. I believe he meant there would be details coming, but not that he has them yet.

 

[Spice]

I don't buy it...that's not pointed at you directly, but I simply don't accept this premiss without confirmation.

As investigators in Georgia looked into the death of a 22-month-old boy left seven hours in a sweltering SUV, they seized computers from the father's office, a source with knowledge of the investigation told HLN's Nancy Grace.

The officers found something startling: an online search for information about how long it takes animals to die in hot cars, the source said.

It's unknown when the Internet search was conducted and whether the father did the searching. Police have declined comment when asked about the computer search.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/27/justice/georgia-toddler-death-duplicate-2/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

 

[newone]

I'm glad to see I wasn't alone. The portion of the obituary that mentions car, truck, vehicle, parking lot - for a child who died in a car, in a lot, left by his father...
Well, I find it unusual. Quite unusual, indeed.

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sad,
ironic

or

damage control to erase that memory of his last car ride

or all of the above --

when I read about his newly acquired zeal about talking about vehicles -- it just made me so sad....

 

[blue22]

I don't buy it...that's not pointed at you directly, but I simply don't accept this premiss without confirmation.

That's fine. Leaks happen in most high profile cases. I have never followed one where the links were wrong, so I am accepting it at this point.

To clarify, I've not followed one where a leak claiming to come directly from LE who has seen it themselves being wrong. Plenty have been wrong when there has been people passing the information they overheard.

 

[Judicious1]

yes it does esp:
"He was loved and cherished and protected by both parents and all family members for his short 22 months of life...
Cooper loved trucks and cars and often told them bye as we left parking lots. He had just learned the color red and as we passed red vehicles, he would tell his mommy and his daddy "bye red car, bye red truck."

Why is cars and vehicles mentioned in an obituary about a child who died in one? This is a very sensitive word that is repeated many times in this short obit.
Asking for money in lieu of flowers for a special fund.

Regardless of who wrote it I'm sure his mom approved it or at least read it before hand. As far as mentioning car, maybe it was more important for the family to remember his love of cars over it being the place he died. The fund comment is very common. This fund has helped them a lot and the family would prefer people donate to that in memory of Cooper instead of sending flowers that will die.

 

[Spice]

The tide is turning in light of recent reports for sure.

The charging of Harris triggered a wave of sympathy and a vigorous debate over whether the heartbroken father should be punished.

Two change.org petitions urging authorities to release Harris were started and then shut down this week. One petition posted this note: "I think that based on the recent developments this petition is no longer relevant.

I still pray that this was truly an accident. If that is the case, the DA now knows that the community does not want Justin prosecuted on murder charges."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/27/justice/georgia-toddler-death-duplicate-2/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

 

[gitana1]

I 100 percent agree with this. Any parent who knowingly leaves a baby in a car is criminal and negligent in my mind.



BBM.3


I have wanted to point something out about the "smell" that everyone keeps mentioning but have continually forgotten. The smell of death is unforgettable and yet NONE of the witnesses at the scene commented on any smell emanating from the vehicle or the body. So I'm not entirely convinced that the smell had anything to do with the cops busting him right then and there.

IMO what happened is that the father intended to make the discovery of the body when he went to the car at noon. He took something with him as an excuse to go to the car.

Why noon? IMO he felt it was enough time for the boy to die and before he'd be getting any phone calls from the wife or daycare center. IOW enough time to make sure he could "control the discovery."

He went to the car and heard the boy choking and immediately knew he was basically busted on camera and that it wasn't going to go down the way he had intended. He knows standing right by the car that he's on video camera. So he just walks back inside to the building (I seriously doubt he'd have done the google search then.)

He comes out later and tries to control the discovery by driving somewhere else away from the security cameras. But now he's in trouble because how does he rationalize not picking up the kid from day care?

What's the motive to driving somewhere very crowded? A distraction. He doesn't want it just to be him and the cops during the discovery. More people creates more confusion and noise. People notoriously throw sympathy towards the parent that commits this act. So he's making lots of drama about "What have I done!!" to elicit that sympathy and drama in the hopes that it would distract the cops. That IMO is why he drove elsewhere.

As far as the constant applauding of him being a stand up guy, my goodness has no one watched any true crime shows out there? Tons of people have been convicted of horrible horrible crimes and prior had been considered a very upstanding member of society. That means absolutely nothing to me except an indication that the person is likely a sociopath. Sociopaths are known for being very friendly charismatic people. It's how they mask their lack of emotion.

He didn't need an accomplice to pull this off. It's very obvious that all he needed to do was leave the kid in the car and walk away.

Just because the child was supposed to have died in the first hour or so doesn't mean it happened that way. Like others have pointed out there have been cases of children surviving longer that that. The child may have been in a seizure or comatose and gagging and choking.

There had to be something right on the scene that indicated to the police immediately that his story didn't add up. They arrested him right away. They didn't wait for computer searches or any more details.

IMO he slipped and said he heard the boy choking in the back of the car which is why he pulled him out and had CPR started. But the EMT and the police could see immediately that the boy had been dead for some time. That statement was his undoing.

And it's sad to think that Coopers last gasps for life in choking are what ultimately revealed the truth about what his father did to him.

MOO

Wait a minute. Was the dad supposed to be picking up Cooper that day? And was he driving in the direction of the daycare or away?

 

[BrianInBirmingham]

That's fine. Leaks happen in most high profile cases. I have never followed one where the links were wrong, so I am accepting it at this point.

To clarify, I've not followed one where a leak claiming to come directly from LE who has seen it themselves being wrong. Plenty have been wrong when there has been people passing the information they overheard.

Then if it comes out as a click and not a search, it was wrong. That distinction is absolutely critical and what I find incredible.