GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #2

[BrianInBirmingham]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/clip/10304691/story-didn39t-make-sense

 

[LinasK]

It answers how you feel about circumstantial evidence, and you made great points regarding it btw, but no it did not answer my question regarding if you feel just because someone is brought to trial and evidence is presented that they are automatically guilty because if so that is every defendant who ever lived. judging by all your past posts you are very intelligent, articulate and well informed so I'm guessing you already see the ridiculousness of my asking that question. I was just trying to make a point that a prosecutor's theory and evidence isn't always right, can be speculative and just because the prosecution presents it it doesn't make it a fact. Some evidence is stronger than others and I absolutely recognize that. One of the many many reasons we have jurors is to fairly weigh and conclude if the evidence presented individually seems reliable and when combined proves the prosecutions theory and the charges brought forward.

Why thank you. My brother is a trial lawyer, I've got a friend who is a prosecutor, and I know several other lawyers in my life. Generally, I'm pro-prosecution, but I have seen wrongful convictions, so I can see the other side. I've also been victimized. I also know that OJ's own team knew he was guilty but defended him anyway.

 

[TorisMom003]

"Leaked" information from LE that was absolutely groundless but spun the talking heads into a veritable frenzy.

Not this case. ;D

So then why is it brought up for this case? Talk about not spreading rumors on here because others that come into the thread late may read them and think they are true, and then this nonsense is being said without any explanation? I just don't understand the reasoning of that.

MOO

 

[Judicious1]

A Georgia man searched the Internet for information on how long it takes an animal to die in a hot car in the days before his 22-month-old son died from overheating in a hot SUV, according to a report Wednesday.

At some point prior to the boy’s tragic death, which a coroner said Wednesday was from hyperthermia and declared a homicide, Harris searched on his work computer for details on animals dying in overheated cars, a source told the Fox affiliate.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...died-backseat-article-1.1843382#ixzz35rj5I0G0

Thanks! I actually saw this in a post a couple down from the one of yours I responded to. Sorry- playing catch up.

This is pretty big.... I wonder if its accurate or an assumption on the journalists part. All of the news outlets I have watched have all been so careful to follow up that the time and date of the search is currently not known. If it was in the days before I find it hard to believe it was coincidently. Off to search the Internet!

 

[CrazytownUSA]

I know the exact history of this story and am aware it was originally reported by Randy Travis at Fox. If LE leaked it, it should have been addressed at the press conference. It was already out there. It was not addressed and I'm betting because it was not technically the facts. Dog deaths have been all over social networking.

Sure they have, and most of them have the facts in the meme or story. No real need to google "how long does it take for an animal to die in a hot car". It becomes especially haunting when your small child dies in a hot car in that same period of time. He may just have the absolute worst luck on the planet, but it's highly unlikely.

 

[BrianInBirmingham]

It's obvious that Randy Travis is hanging his hat on the credibility of his source.

 

[gngr~snap]

Randy Travis is an investigative reporter and doing his job well. IMO

"his stories have closed down businesses that misled the public, exposed government waste and corruption and sent people to prison."

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/17342525/randy-travis

He has been with Channel 5
for 20 years.

 

[popsicle]

"Leaked" information from LE that was absolutely groundless but spun the talking heads into a veritable frenzy.

Not this case. ;D

This is Cooper's thread. Can we please stick to the facts of this case. ty

 

[CrazytownUSA]

I'm sure they read the same, but I'm also sure the father could attend, and not in jail on felony murder charges. I simply think defending a father in an obituary is disgraceful for that child. An obituary should be to celebrate and honor a life, not defend another person. If it weren't so blatant, I would happily give the benefit of the doubt. They are living in hell right now. I think it's not even hiding the intent. JMO.

I didn't see anyone defending anyone. They stated that Cooper's parents loved him. Are you so convinced he didn't? I think that it is unimaginable that he left his son in the car and forgot he was in there, but I also think he loved his son, as evidenced by his taking pictures of him daily, and the stories friends and family have told. He may have had a psychotic break somewhere, but I certainly don't think he hated his son. I think you should step back from the case and read it... it was actually a very beautiful obituary, and spoke not only to the family loss, but Cooper's beautiful life.

 

[TorisMom003]

The search done on the father's computer is not, IMO, the biggest issue in this case. For me the biggest issue is the short amount of time that lapsed between the trip into CFA for breakfast and the drive to work. 2 to 3 minutes. So a parent puts their child in the car seat in the back of their car, drives 2 to 3 minutes to go to work, and in that short time frame forgets the child is in the back seat? I don't think so.

Then there is the smell. How in the world can anyone, parent or not, get into a hot car in the afternoon, smell that smell and not immediately investigate what is the cause of the smell?

MOO

 

[New1]

I cannot imagine this being an accident nor can I imagine it being intentional. Either one is beyond my belief, but I know it had to be one or the other. I don't think anyone posting here *knows* if anything we have read or heard is true or not. You can't trust the media, you can't trust eye witnesses because it has been shown that some of them see different things in different ways than some of the other eye witnesses. I just read that the internet search story is false. Who is to say that the story about him going to his car at lunch time and putting something inside is true or not? When it comes right down to it, we don't know anything. At least I don't.

 

[newone]

How about the blood and vomit on the mop?

what is this pray tell

 

[Judicious1]

But the daily news article cites the fox affiliate for the statement about the search and the linked article from the Fox affiliate doesn't say when the supposed search was conducted.

The excerpt in bold, below, is from the Fox affiliate source linked by the daily news - notice they don't even say WHO did the search (they say "someone"), much less when the search was conducted.

Unfortunately, I could have predicted as much...pffft to the msm. They get worse every day, it seems.

FOX 5 I-Team reporter Randy Travis reports that investigators seized Ross Harris' work computer from Home Depot after his arrest last week.

In the search history on that computer, a law enforcement source tells the FOX 5 I-Team someone searched for information on how long it takes for an animal to die in a hot car. The FOX 5 I-Team has not been able to confirm when that Internet search was conducted.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/25864933/sources-toddler-death

Soooooo are we back to time of search is prob still unknown?

 

[TorisMom003]

what is this pray tell

Nothing that belongs in this thread. Apparently something from some other case. However, the way that post is worded without any explanation at all it appears to be a part of this case. Even though it isn't.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The search done on the father's computer is not, IMO, the biggest issue in this case. For me the biggest issue is the short amount of time that lapsed between the trip into CFA for breakfast and the drive to work. 2 to 3 minutes. So a parent puts their child in the car seat in the back of their car, drives 2 to 3 minutes to go to work, and in that short time frame forgets the child is in the back seat? I don't think so.

Then there is the smell. How in the world can anyone, parent or not, get into a hot car in the afternoon, smell that smell and not immediately investigate what is the cause of the smell?

MOO

If it is even true about the search. I just don't know yet.

The trip time does make it less likely but not impossible. The smell?? I don't know. Did he get in and roll the windows down asap? because on hot days. I open my car put my air on and open all the windows til the hot air is gone.

As a rule, Kids can make a car smelly. I got in my car one day and smelled something and it was a mcd burger the kids put in between the seat and the side of the car. GROSS. But it had to have been there for more than 2 weeks because I had not been at MCd's but that day it was just hotter.

I don't think it looks good but I still feel like there is still room for accident here.

 

[newone]

I cannot imagine this being an accident nor can I imagine it being intentional. Either one is beyond my belief, but I know it had to be one or the other. I don't think anyone posting here *knows* if anything we have read or heard is true or not. You can't trust the media, you can't trust eye witnesses because it has been shown that some of them see different things in different ways than some of the other eye witnesses. I just read that the internet search story is false. Who is to say that the story about him going to his car at lunch time and putting something inside is true or not? When it comes right down to it, we don't know anything. At least I don't.

love your handle....

no -- we are just trying to follow the bread crumbs

we are all trying to put together the jigsaw --

 

[LinasK]

If it is even true about the search. I just don't know yet.

The trip time does make it less likely but not impossible. The smell?? I don't know. Did he get in and roll the windows down asap? because on hot days. I open my car put my air on and open all the windows til the hot air is gone.

As a rule, Kids can make a car smelly. I got in my car one day and smelled something and it was a mcd burger the kids put in between the seat and the side of the car. GROSS. But it had to have been there for more than 2 weeks because I had not been at MCd's but that day it was just hotter.

I don't think it looks good but I still feel like there is still room for accident here.

If you look at that factor alone, but when you put it together with immediately forgetting your child after you just had a face-face meal with him less than 3 min. before, and the searches, and going out to his car at lunchtime, it's fishy. Plus, why do CPR on a child that is blue-grey? He could NOT have been "choking" at that point, and technically when someone is choking, they cannot vocalize. Aspirating is different.
Also, we now have posters claiming he parked in the sun when he normally parked in the shade.

 

[JLSChook]

The search done on the father's computer is not, IMO, the biggest issue in this case. For me the biggest issue is the short amount of time that lapsed between the trip into CFA for breakfast and the drive to work. 2 to 3 minutes. So a parent puts their child in the car seat in the back of their car, drives 2 to 3 minutes to go to work, and in that short time frame forgets the child is in the back seat? I don't think so.

Then there is the smell. How in the world can anyone, parent or not, get into a hot car in the afternoon, smell that smell and not immediately investigate what is the cause of the smell?

MOO

ITA!

The following are details that may make or break this case:

1) As you said, the 3 minute drive after breakfast
2) The horrific smell in the car maybe at lunch, but for sure after work
3) My baby is choking
4) Internet search for how long it takes for animal to die in hot car
5) Who was supposed to pick Cooper up after daycare and when?
6) Is it standard procedure for the daycare to call when a child is absent.

I'm sure I'm missing some and I'm sure more info will come to light shortly.

 

[popsicle]

I cannot imagine this being an accident nor can I imagine it being intentional. Either one is beyond my belief, but I know it had to be one or the other. I don't think anyone posting here *knows* if anything we have read or heard is true or not. You can't trust the media, you can't trust eye witnesses because it has been shown that some of them see different things in different ways than some of the other eye witnesses. I just read that the internet search story is false. Who is to say that the story about him going to his car at lunch time and putting something inside is true or not? When it comes right down to it, we don't know anything. At least I don't.

Can you link where you read the story about the search isn't true please?

LE said he went to his car at lunch time and put an object in there... in the search warrant iirc.

 

[TorisMom003]

If the smell was as bad as has been said, and I do believe that it had to be, then it would hit Harris like a ton of bricks when he simply opened the car door at the end of his work day. For him to ignore that smell tells me ALOT. It tells me that like Casey Anthony, he knew what the smell was but it wasn't part of his plan to acknowledge the smell at that time. I also firmly believe that the car smelled when (if) he went to his car during the work day before he left to go "home".

Sadly it appears that LE is correct in their thoughts that Cooper's death was intentional. God bless Cooper's mom, close friends and extended family. When the truth hits them, they may find it to tough to live with.

MOO