GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #5

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I'm thrilled they aren't talking.



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From a logical, moral, and legal level I am too...

but from a sleuther's POV... I have to admit... I wish there WAS more "talk"....:blushing:

 

[matou]

If his research of heat related deaths was mundane how could he recall it so vividly on scene with the police present. Seems rehearsed to me. Jmo

 

[Cinnamon]

I have seen various comments that have mentioned that this guy who was an IT guy should have known how to do this or that.....or that because he was IT he would have been more careful. as if he was some sort of genius. I am addressing this because I have seen it addressed a LOT.

1. IT guy does not equate computer expert. One may know how to build a website or work with prompts, but not know computer science or be a computer engineer. I seriously doubt he was anything past 'home depot trained' and googling how to do something. I seriously doubt he had the knowhow to cover his tracks on a work computer - that operates via a server which records everything he does. No "IRS excuse, the dog ate my email" would work here.

[/I]

SBM. TY! :loveyou: ITA!!! Yes, it's been mentioned a LOT, about what he should know as an IT guy...every time I read it, I cringe. I posted about this a thread or two back. As an IT gal for 20+ years, a web designer or web developer is not an IT guy -- not typically -- in some small shops the IT guy does do "it all," but for the most part these are totally different positions.

A web designer/developer typically sits at their desk, opens up whatever programs/software they need to use, and then they do their thing...scripting, graphics, web content, etc. On the other hand, the IT guy, or GAL, in my case, I administer and support the servers and PCs that all software runs on, also printers, timeclocks, security cameras, IP phones, any device that's connected to our network. I am responsible for hardware and software... installation, maintenance, and day to day support. If a user, e.g., a web designer, developer, or any employee in the company, has a problem with their computer, they call me (IT) to fix it. Some days, I might get to sit at my desk and work on software stuff, other days I might be in the network closet running cables...or running around putting out "fires".

The web devs at my job would have no clue about anything IT-related other than the programs they use on the web server. In fact, at my company the web devs work in Admin, not IT.

Also, IF he is an IT guy, not all IT guys or gals are created equal. I've trained enough to know.

Anyway, JMO and my :twocents: worth.

 

[Judicious1]

I'm still inclined to think Cooper's death wasn't premeditated, but just the result of extreme negligence from a father trying to save money on day care expenses by using the car as a babysitter.

We haven't heard anyone from Home Depot day care comment on whether Cooper was expected at day care on Wednesday, June 18.

This gets back to my question -- does anyone know whether Home Depot employees who use corporate day care are charged by the month, the day, or the pay period?

For example, I'm paid twice a month -- on the 15th and the last day of the month. June 16th was the start of a new pay period. June 18th was the third day into my latest pay period.

It's the only way I can make the pieces fit --

• it explains the internet searches (how hot does it have to be?)
• the mother's statement that Cooper hadn't slept the past two nights (sedated to sleep during the day?)
• why RH checked the car at lunch (thought Cooper was still asleep?)
• RH headed for home instead of day care (RH thinks smell is a soiled diaper, but LH will deal with that at home shortly)
• "What have I done?" (three days of Russian roulette)

jmo

Most daycares offer a weekly or monthly payment plans but if payroll is responsible for deducting the cost of daycare from employee checks I think it would be split up during pay periods. If Payroll takes care of this I'm sure there is a form they would have had to sign to unenroll and avoid the deduction. This will be easy to find out for investigators.

It also might not even be owned and operated by HD. Every set up apears to have several options tailored for each corp. Like a lease, or Bright Horizens ( partnered for the daycare with HD) can run and operate the locations or corps can hire outside management. Payroll might have nothing to do with daycare payments and registration. Kind of like Starbucks in Target. They partnered up but remain separate entities that share an address basically.

http://societyofwomenengineers.swe....6-work-a-life-integration-dependent-care-case


I also found this article about then backup child care option HD assists employees with when children are sick and can't come to daycare.

http://m.ajc.com/news/business/home-depot-chips-in-for-child-elder-care/nQt26/

 

[Hamsterdance]

Yesterday my 8 year old nephew passed away in his sleep. He is now free from the life long suffering he endured having cp. He was never able to talk, walk, turn himself over or even swallow food. The only thing he could do was smile and that smile never left his lips. My brother and sister in law are devastated as am I. I hope Cooper is up there teaching him how to run.

I'm so very sorry for your loss! :hug:

 

[JudyBolton]

BBM...

Wow!

so... It seems JRH could have seen Cooper in the backseat...(not hidden from JRH's view...

:what:

I wondered how the parking lot was configured. Did he have to back out of his parking space? If so, did he not look back? I know with a car seat - it seems it might have blocked his rear view or at lease he would check his blind spots.

It may be one of those parking lots where he could have driven straight out if there was no vehicle in front blocking him....just another thought.

 

[LisaB]

"Leanna Harris (snip) said she .... finds solace knowing Cooper is shielded from knowing the pain of a broken heart, from mourning the death of his own loved ones and from being exposed to the hard truths of a world that she called broken.

And goes on to discuss the idea of having more children. If she had such reservations about having brought a child into a world that would show him so much pain and suffering as he grew up, why would she consider having more?

It almost sounds as if AFTER having Cooper, she might have begun to have some second thoughts about raising her innocent child in such a painful world.

This is typically the mindset of mothers who kill their children, is it not? Of course, most of them commit suicide as well.

 

[Spice]

If his research of heat related deaths was mundane how could he recall it so vividly on scene with the police present. Seems rehearsed to me. Jmo

I agree.

He's I.T., he knew they would find the searches. He was heading the discovery off.

I was scared of this, so I searched it recently, although I did nothing to prevent it and it coincidentally happened to me.

Give me a break!

Also "Children dying in hot cars" is SO much different to me than " At what temperature does it have to be for death to occur and HOW Long".

Are you kidding me? That is RESEARCH for murder.

This case makes me ill.

 

[Elley Mae]

Heatstroke Deaths of
Children in Vehicles

http://www.ggweather.com/heat/

lots of info

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

He wasn't arrested until late that night.



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Still too quick. It should have been a good investigation first. He was not going anywhere.

 

[Spice]

Still too quick. It should have been a good investigation first. He was not going anywhere.

Why is there an assumption that it wasn't?

What's the difference between enough evidence to arrest and charge in 7 hours or enough evidence to arrest and charge in 48 hours?

The evidence is still the evidence. There is no time constraint on detectives when they believe they have enough evidence to charge.

If they didn't arrest him, a man they believe that just murdered his son, and then he went home and murdered his wife and killed himself, would we still believe "it was too quick and a bad investigation?"

They believed that he just committed a very cruel and unusual homicide. They also believe that they enough evidence to charge him....so why would they just let him walk away?

 

[Camdenres]

I am forgetful by nature. It's irritating as all get out, but driving away after paying for food at McDonald's? Did it. Drive right past my exit that I was JUST heading for? Yep. Did I get all the way to the babysitter's one morning before realizing I was barefoot? Embarrassingly, yes. Do I make a grocery list only to leave it on the kitchen table? Only about 70% of the time.

So it's not the fact that dad left breakfast and immediately drove to the wrong exit that I can't believe. Or the fact that he pulled up and parked at his job instead of going to daycare.

It's that he didn't notice Cooper. Not at 9:30 am. Not at lunch time. Not at quitting time. Apparently, he didn't give Cooper a thought all day. I do not believe this even a little bit. Forget the smell. Just the fact that he didn't notice a human being, a person, his CHILD, was in his car on 3 separate occasions screams bull$%@# to me. He's a liar, IMO. Well, that's the least of what he is.

^^^^THIS^^^^^ Everything you said!

 

[ykw]

Is this the day care?

http://child-care-preschool.brighthorizons.com/GA/Atlanta/thd/Frequently-Asked-Questions/

Atlanta Child Care Center Address: 2455 Paces Ferry Road, Atlanta, GA 30339
Phone: 678-556-8000
Hours of Operation: M-F: 7:00 a.m. to 6:30 p.m.
Ages Served: Infants, Toddlers, Preschool, Kindergarten Prep, School Age

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

They arrested him six hours later. Six hours after questioning him and getting his story.

In that six hours they found out:

He "forgot" Cooper 3 minutes after eating breakfast with him and strapping him in his car seat.
He went back to his car at noon and didn't "Notice" Cooper
He got back into A STINKING car and drove one mile to a restaurant parking lot

AND

He claimed that his child who was stiff with rigor was "choking"

He told the police of his damning internet searches.

If they did NOT arrest him at the point with all of that.....they would have not been doing their job. There was enough in their opinion to arrest and charge him.

There was no rush to judgement here and it did not happen "fast." He was arrested due to the evidence. And we don't even know all of the other evidence they have at this point.

There is no conspiracy here. Just Detectives doing their jobs.

They should have cited him for whatever and then waited to arrest him until they had a case. I can not believe he has not gotten bail yet.

What bothers me most in cases is when I feel like there is a rush to judgment or arrest and all the facts are not in yet.

I am not accusing anyone if being in a conspiracy here. Don't know where that came from.

 

[matou]

Still too quick. It should have been a good investigation first. He was not going anywhere.

There was probable cause and what if he decided to kill himself and his wife? Jmo

 

[JSR]

Again, holding out hope here that Cooper was drugged unconscious. This murder (imo) is bad enough without imagining conscious continual suffering.

I think that's why they ran a tox screen and are awaiting results. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he drugged him beforehand and that's why they had the breakfast that morning at CF.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

Still too quick. It should have been a good investigation first. He was not going anywhere.

I agree he may not have been going anywhere, but I'll bet they had good reason to arrest -- and they could have had good reason to separate Ross from Leanna AND separate him from all electronics or any other evidence as quickly as possible. Perhaps they could have waited to have "a smoking gun" but after the altercation in the parking lot were concerned that some of the evidence might be disposed of and/or it would give him more time to straighten out his story.

 

[Figuring]

Please note: this is a correction to my post from last night....

Ok, WS poster gngrsnap gave me a brainstorm and I decided to explore JH’s driving route a little more. When they mentioned that JH had to pass a hospital, I decided to look at hospitals on his route. Wow!

Below are driving distances of hospitals from his office (Home Depot Inc, 2455 Paces Ferry Road Southeast #20):

2 minutes away (and on route): Kaiser Permanente Cumberland Medical Center, 2525 Cumberland Parkway Southeast (thanks to gngrsnap!)
5 minutes away (just on the other side of his building): Emory-Adventist Hospital, 3949 S Cobb Dr

or…

6 minutes away: Uncle Maddio's Pizza Joint, 2955 Cobb Parkway SE

So. What this means to me is, to get to Uncle Maddio’s, he bypassed 2 hospitals. Even if I forgot my child at 3 opportunities through the day, when I was in his vicinity (+ never spoke to my spouse during the day and have the child come up in conversation, and think back to the morning? Spouse wouldn’t ask, esp. if the child had been sick two days, “How was he when you dropped him off?”), and I found him in the car and knew instantly he’d been there 7 hours+, I would drive straight to the hospital that was 2 minutes away, not some Pizza Joint! Even if I was past the hospital, I’d go back instead of to a place with no care, where we had to wait for EMS.

I think it is a good possibility that emergency services thought of this when they arrived and heard his story.

 

[Linda7NJ]

TY, Linda7NJ. :loveyou: I've been wondering the same thing, but felt too stupid to ask. :blushing: Before following this case, I wasn't even aware of rear-facing child seats. In my defense, I don't have kids. I do have a step-son, but he was 4-years-old when I first met my husband, so I've only had experience with forward-facing child seats. I learn so much here!

I felt stupid too..but the more I tried to imagine it...the more curious I got!

Curiosity won out


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[Judicious1]

Yes, I mean in addition to the driver side door visit. I wonder if he went to the rear door after work. JMO

I think they would have had more evidence toward intent if he had so I think it would have been included on the warrant that he accessed the car twice prior to driving away and discovering the child.