GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #6

[oh_gal]

It's a known fact that she was questioned after Harris was in custody, because he was in custody while that sweet baby's remains were still on the pavement.

So we know they didn't have a private discussion where he told her to take the fall for him by claiming to have made internet searches. We know that. We know that CNN said he wasn't receiving visitors or media.

[modsnip]

They could have had a private conversation, while LE and first responders were tending to the baby. Who was he on the phone with, and what was said? Does anyone know?

 

[MissJ]

ITA. I keep thinking of the bonding issue as it relates to forgetting ones child. I don't have children of my own, but I have a stepdaughter. She's 16 and didn't move in with hubby and I until 2 months before she turned 12. We don't have that mother/daughter bond and I can only imagine what that bond is like, yet I STILL can't think how a parent could forget their child. She and my husband are always on my mind, even when I am not with them. Depending on what I'm doing they may be in the back of my mind but they are constantly there. How much more so with bonded parents. I think that's why I have the hardest time imagining how any parent could truly forget their child, let alone outright murder them as I believe happened in this case.

I have no children living at home but still think of him all the time.:moo:

 

[MissJ]

IIRC he wasn't arrested immediately but later that night.

 

[stmarysmead]

I must also be distasteful.
What I find distasteful, tacky and totally inappropriate is Mrs. Ross talking on a cell during her son's funeral. But that is JMO.

I wrote a long post in another thread sympathizing with the Mother and basically asking that we give her words at that funeral a pass. She is in shock and has not even processed how her life has been changed forever.

But I also responded to her statement to police about having googled "hot-car deaths/time and temperature" with the comment, "Hello, Cindy Anthony."

To me there is a difference between statements at her child's funeral and evidence she is giving to the police. She gets a pass from me for everything said in the heartbreak of that funeral. I can understand that.

But when she speaks to police, there is draw the line. Her child died an horrific death. I reserve the right to address anything she says in that context as we try to sort out the truth of this case.

I don't care who was her priority at the funeral. I do hope that ONLY her dead child and the truth of what happened...is her priority when she speaks to the authorities.

 

[Chewy]

I wrote a long post in another thread sympathizing with the Mother and basically asking that we give her words at that funeral a pass. She is in shock and has not even processed how her life has been changed forever.

But I also responded to her statement to police about having googled "hot-car deaths/time and temperature" with the comment, "Hello, Cindy Anthony."

To me there is a difference between statements at her child's funeral and evidence she is giving to the police. She gets a pass from me for everything said in the heartbreak of that funeral. I can understand that.

But when she speaks to police, there is draw the line. Her child died an horrific death. I reserve the right to address anything she says in that context as we try to sort out the truth of this case.

I don't care who was her priority at the funeral. I do hope that ONLY her dead child and the truth of what happened...is her priority when she speaks to the authorities.

Well put, that makes more sense to me. I agree, comments to the police are an entirely different issue.

 

[keeponsearching]

I wonder if the windows were always up on his short trip to the area he jumped out or if they were rolled up after. I don't know about you all, but I roll my windows down while my a/c kicks maybe that is what took place.. Lately I use my car starter to get a jump start, but sometimes I still roll the windows down.

 

[oh_gal]

Ugh. I think I don't like what I am thinking.
I think it is relevant, imo.

Could you please share your thoughts, because I am lost. I've only had 1/2 cup of coffee this morning, and need all the help I can get! Thanks!

 

[MissJ]

I wrote a long post in another thread sympathizing with the Mother and basically asking that we give her words at that funeral a pass. She is in shock and has not even processed how her life has been changed forever.

But I also responded to her statement to police about having googled "hot-car deaths/time and temperature" with the comment, "Hello, Cindy Anthony."

To me there is a difference between statements at her child's funeral and evidence she is giving to the police. She gets a pass from me for everything said in the heartbreak of that funeral. I can understand that.

But when she speaks to police, there is draw the line. Her child died an horrific death. I reserve the right to address anything she says in that context as we try to sort out the truth of this case.

I don't care who was her priority at the funeral. I do hope that ONLY her dead child and the truth of what happened...is her priority when she speaks to the authorities.

Ok. But your quote was NOT my post. I'd said earlier that I thought the funeral should have been to honor Cooper when it seemed Mom was honoring the father. It was hinted strongly that these sort of comments were distasteful. I guess I am distasteful.

 

[Chewy]

What's going on with all this weird quoting? People are misquoting everyone!!! When you quote please be sure to go to the top and backspace the extra "name quote" and be sure you are quoting who actually said what. It's a little unnerving to have those comments attributed to me. And I see it is happening to others as well.

 

[deoneta]

Question. On the link with the pictures

http://hollywoodlife.com/pics/justin-ross-harris-son-pics/#!19/justin-ross-harris-dad-killed-boy-5/

Both this picture and another picture that are taken from a distant vantage point, we can see straight into the car even though the windows are tinted. I can see the headrest from inside the car.

I'm wondering if anyone has a similar car or another car with tinted windows. Does it make it harder to see when you are right on top of the car? Because from this view I can't even fathom how someone standing next to the car wouldn't see the child immediately when standing next to the driver's side door. It's not a large car by any means. :waitasec:

RSBM Here's a link to what is legal as far as the degree of window tint in Georgia.

http://www.tinting-laws.com/georgia/

The tint must allow more than 32% of light in.

 

[Chewy]

RSBM Here's a link to what is legal as far as the degree of window tint in Georgia.

http://www.tinting-laws.com/georgia/

The tint must allow more than 32% of light in.

This is awesome. Thank you. But the question I'm asking is related to visibility. From a vantage point I can see directly into the car. But when you are on top of a car with tinted windows, doesn't it look completely opaque? Or can you see inside the window.

 

[popsicle]

They could have had a private conversation, while LE and first responders were tending to the baby. Who was he on the phone with, and what was said? Does anyone know?

The problem is.... she is the one person that it would be natural for him to call, if this was not an intentional act. So, jurors and the public at large that want to view him as innocent are going to say, "of course he called his wife".

If he called the people he was suppose to meet...well, priorities. What do others think?

jmo and just bouncing off you Gal.

 

[Sonya610]

They could have had a private conversation, while LE and first responders were tending to the baby. Who was he on the phone with, and what was said? Does anyone know?

He was on the phone with his wife, apparently he told her upfront "our child is dead" then at some point he started cussing while speaking with her (possibly using demeaning phrases about the police that were standing there) and the ruckus started between him and the police and he ended up handcuffed.

Somewhere there is a video where the scene is described by the folks in the parking lot.

 

[DeDee]

Got lots of pages to read through still but if Cooper had a fever from being sick or teething, he may have died a lot earlier than we think inside of that vehicle. JMO

His fever may have contributed to an earlier demise. If Cooper was left in the vehicle at 9am. It took an hour for the temperature to rise to deadly heights. He probably lived 90 minutes to two hours. 11am. Dad knows at lunch that his son has died but he waited hours before leaving work. He must not have a sense of smell as well as the one ear with a loss of hearing because it remains a mystery to me why JR did not puke from the odor when he sat down in the driver's seat and closed his car door.

Did he say anything like, Sorry, Little Buddy?

Interestingly, the first PO to arrive saw a crowd gathering and pulled over to check it out. They were not responding to a 911 call.

Cooper was said to have been in rigor when his daddy placed him on the concrete driveway/parking lot. The onset of rigor is usually 4 hours. Maybe a bit faster due to the intense heat. In a child Cooper's size, rigor may not be noticeable anywhere except in his joints because of low muscle mass.

 

[Elley Mae]

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Yeah, that is the one that bothers me. Why use the word "side". It would seem that a police report would not use words unless they are needed. Seems it would say "Drivers door" not "Driver's side door". I do wonder if it was the back door that he entered.

bbm That bothers me.

 

[DeDee]

IIRC he wasn't arrested immediately but later that night.

JR was placed in handcuffs at the scene. There is a photo of him in the back of the police cruiser leaving the scene. After questioning, he was placed under arrest.

But it was too late for Cooper, who was already dead. A distraught Harris was not cooperative with police, who handcuffed the father and put him in the back of a patrol car. Harris was taken to Cobb police headquarters for questioning, and within about five hours was arrested and charged with felony murder and child cruelty.

 

[Sonya610]

Cooper was said to have been in rigor when his daddy placed him on the concrete driveway/parking lot. The onset of rigor is usually 4 hours. Maybe a bit faster due to the intense heat. In a child Cooper's size, rigor may not be noticeable anywhere except in his joints because of low muscle mass.

Are you sure it wouldn't be noticeable? The smaller the body, the smaller the muscles, the faster rigor sets in.

Those of us that have experienced the death of smaller animals/pets knows that, they go stiff amazingly fast, within a few short minutes because their muscles are tiny. It is very noticeable, their whole body quickly becomes frozen.

ETA unless the muscle to fat ratio differs great in toddlers, I could see if there was a lot of body fat and very little muscle that could make it a bit less noticeable.

 

[Elley Mae]

JR was placed in handcuffs at the scene. There is a photo of him in the back of the police cruiser leaving the scene. After questioning, he was placed under arrest.

IIRC that was to calm him down at the time. He was not arrested til later that night at about 10:00. jmo

 

[DeDee]

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Same here:
The 33-year-old father returned to the car during his lunch break, opening the driver's side door "to place an object into the vehicle," the warrant states

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/25/justice/georgia-toddler-death/index.html

 

[Elley Mae]

The problem is.... she is the one person that it would be natural for him to call, if this was not an intentional act. So, jurors and the public at large that want to view him as innocent are going to say, "of course he called his wife".

If he called the people he was suppose to meet...well, priorities. What do others think?

jmo and just bouncing off you Gal.

Not sure about this. Under situations where someone has discovered a family member deceased I'm not sure everyone remembers what they did in the moments proceeding the find. I would be a wreck. It's no telling what I would do or who I would call first. If by chance there was an emergency person there at the scene doing something to assist I may call my spouse too. idk jmo