GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #6

[DeDee]

Are you sure it wouldn't be noticeable? The smaller the body, the smaller the muscles, the faster rigor sets in.

Those of us that have experienced the death of smaller animals/pets knows that, they go stiff amazingly fast, within a few short minutes because their muscles are tiny. It is very noticeable, their whole body quickly becomes frozen.

No. I am not sure if rigor was noticeable or not. It was something I read yesterday. I guesstimate Cooper was gone by eleven that fateful morning.

"The degree of rigor mortis can be determined by checking both the finger joints and the larger joints and ranking their degree of stiffness on a one- to three- or four-point scale. Many infant and child corpses will not exhibit perceptible rigor mortis. This decreased perceptible stiffness may be due to their smaller muscle mass."

http://www.deathreference.com/Py-Se/Rigor-Mortis-and-Other-Postmortem-Changes.html#ixzz36De0C8OT

 

[matou]

RH was acting erratically, according to a witness at the scene. He was pulling on tree branches???? From Nancy Grace transcripts of interview with a witness on the scene:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1406/25/ng.01.html

GRACE: Well, let me ask you this. Was he pulling on a tree?

SMITH: Yes, ma`am. The tree bushes. It was probably, like, two or three feet, maybe four, even, from where the boy was actually laying. He

was just going in a circle around me and two other individuals. And he was pretty much saying, What did I do? My son is dead. I can`t believe this.

You know, What did I do?

And he was pulling on the tree branches, which that`s what made me come to realize he was pretty much...

GRACE: Well, you also said he was walking in circles, and then he would get louder and louder when people would get close to him, saying,

What did I do? My child is dead. He would walk in bigger and bigger circles and pull on the tree branches?

SMITH: Yes, ma`am.

 

[oh_gal]

They could have had a private conversation, while LE and first responders were tending to the baby. Who was he on the phone with, and what was said? Does anyone know?

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Just to clarify, my post (above) was made in reply to JennaT's post (below)
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
It's a known fact that she was questioned after Harris was in custody, because he was in custody while that sweet baby's remains were still on the pavement.

So we know they didn't have a private discussion where he told her to take the fall for him by claiming to have made internet searches. We know that. We know that CNN said he wasn't receiving visitors or media.

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I was just commenting that, since we don't know everything he said to his wife during that call he made from the scene, he could have said to her at that time, "Listen, take the fall for the internet searches," ...or even something else. Probably no one was paying much attention to what he was saying. Or maybe they were, and we'll find out more.

 

[Chewy]

IMO there wouldn't be much point in asking her to take the fall for the searches if he'd already admitted to them to the police himself????

 

[killarney rose]

I have not chimed in my opinion as of yet. Just been trying to keep up with the thread and posted a few comments.

I been on the fence about this, however, my foot is coming down on the guilty side, and this is why.

As a parent, if I had been so worried I would do something like forgetting my child in a hot car that I was doing Internet searches about it, then I would think I would be extra cautious and thinking about it so the chances of it happening would be less likely than for a parent who never gave it a thought.

I find it hard to believe dad forgot the baby in the short time it took him to drive from chik FIL A to his job.

Equally hard to understand is why he didnt notice the baby when he went to the car at lunch.

If he pulled into the back of the shopping center for help, as I read earlier, rather than the front where there were more people to help, well, that sets off my hinky meter too.

Okay, just had to finally say what's on my mind about this.

 

[Suthrnqt]

What's going on with all this weird quoting? People are misquoting everyone!!! When you quote please be sure to go to the top and backspace the extra "name quote" and be sure you are quoting who actually said what. It's a little unnerving to have those comments attributed to me. And I see it is happening to others as well.

"People" aren't misquoting. There is something hinky going on with the thread/forum. I did not attribute anything to you. I quoted and agreed with MissJ's post. MissJ had quoted your post where you mentioned distasteful behavior.
HTH

 

[CarolinaMoon]

So many threads about this case, so many opinions. I try to post and find I just can't. It's all so overwhelming.

I do have concerns about the mother's behavior at the funeral. As with Caylee Anthony's memorial, it was more about the possible perp than the little child, dead too soon.

I have to wonder about her because, in talking about her son, she views everything in his future life, had he lived, in the negative. She doesn't mention the first day of school, she mentions the heartbreak of who to sit with in the cafeteria in middle school. She wouldn't want to have to go through his first heartbreak. She wouldn't have him back if she could because of this terrible, broken world he would have to live in.

To me, she is projecting from her own childhood. She mentioned she didn't like school and then goes on to the negative things that could have happened to Cooper.

If, indeed, she views the world as broken, it speaks to a very unhappy person.

This observation leads me in many directions. I won't discuss them here yet, it is premature as she is not a POI in this case.

 

[MissJ]

Yeah, that is the one that bothers me. Why use the word "side". It would seem that a police report would not use words unless they are needed. Seems it would say "Drivers door" not "Driver's side door". I do wonder if it was the back door that he entered.

bbm That bothers me.

Good catch! Hmmm. Maybe it was the passenger door on driver's side? That would make heads spin.:moo:

 

[jnTexas]

Had he driven to the front of the Uncle Maddio's pizza place there is an enormous parking lot, a Cinco's restaurant can be seen a
Sports Authority
Bed Bath Beyond
Toys R Us
Longhorn's
Chic fil a (different one)
& several other stores.

Pulling in behind the restaurant I find odd.

Look around for yourself. Then ask youself, if I panicked and need help for my baby ASAP ,am I pulling in behind the stores with locked delivery doors or in front where I can run in?
He got help so I'm not sure it matters.

http://goo.gl/maps/N8QPK
moo

I know I'm coming into this discussion late but I wanted to touch on this....When my son was 9 he flipped a four wheeler and busted his head open at our deer lease in the middle of no where. Our cell phones didn't work in the area. I've never been so afraid my child in my life. I drove out of the lease at 90 miles an hour into town. Flew into the first gas station parking lot. Jumped out begging the first person I saw for directions to the nearest hospital. I then took off to the hospital, there's no way I was waiting on EMS to find us.

I passed several businesses. I went to the first place I knew that would have people outside so there was no delay getting him help. I don't understand him going into the back parking lot.

Off topic but may be important info for someone. If you ever have a head injury in a remote location and you can get your phone to work they will life flight to the location.

 

[Elley Mae]

No. I am not sure if rigor was noticeable or not. It was something I read yesterday. I guesstimate Cooper was gone by eleven that fateful morning.

"The degree of rigor mortis can be determined by checking both the finger joints and the larger joints and ranking their degree of stiffness on a one- to three- or four-point scale. Many infant and child corpses will not exhibit perceptible rigor mortis. This decreased perceptible stiffness may be due to their smaller muscle mass."

http://www.deathreference.com/Py-Se/Rigor-Mortis-and-Other-Postmortem-Changes.html#ixzz36De0C8OT

A couple days ago I put a thermometer in the back seat of my explorer parked in the sun, 82 degrees that day. Eight minutes late I checked it... over 120 degrees it was. It maxed out the thermometer in eight minutes. I agree with you that he was deceased at the lunch time hour.

 

[Sonya610]

Yes you do, just edit your post and delete back the quote bar that has my name on it until it only says Miss J.

Thank you again.

Chewy I have seen that happen sporadically on this forum many times. Someone will quote a post and it attributes the post to the previous person they were replying too.

It has happened to me and others, it is a real forum glitch and becomes especially notice in debate threads such as those on the political pavilion, suddenly staunch supporters on one side of the issue start being quoted as saying the most bizarre things. LOL.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Yes you do, just edit your post and delete back the quote bar that has my name on it until it only says Miss J.

Thank you again.

Once again, I quoted MissJ, not you. And my post reflects that. I don't know what you are seeing, but I see where a mod has gone and fixed the hinky posting. Thanks!

 

[MissJ]

"People" aren't misquoting. There is something hinky going on with the thread/forum. I did not attribute anything to you. I quoted and agreed with MissJ's post. MissJ had quoted your post where you mentioned distasteful behavior.
HTH

Thank you...it is the thread I had to go back and correct several posts.

 

[Chewy]

Chewy I have seen that happen sporadically on this forum many times. Someone will quote a post and it attributes the post to the previous person they were replying too.

It has happened to me and others, it is a real forum glitch.

It's happened to me several times in the thread as well. All you need to do is go to edit the post. At the top it will have two QUOTE OPEN tags at before the post. You simply delete the one that's wrong. You can see the OPEN Miss J quote tag in the post itself. Just delete mine. I've done this several times already in the thread myself.

Go LOOK at the post. YOU CAN SEE THE OPEN MISS J quote tag. Just delete my name and leave hers and it will be quoted properly. It take two seconds.

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Here's the other misquote and YOU CAN SEE THE OPEN QUOTE tag of the proper poster, before the quoted part. Just edit the post and delete the inappropriate quote tag.

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It seriously takes two seconds to fix it.

 

[matou]

A couple days ago I put a thermometer in the back seat of my explorer parked in the sun, 82 degrees that day. Eight minutes late I checked it... over 120 degrees it was. It maxed out the thermometer in eight minutes. I agree with you that he was deceased at the lunch time hour.

High noon would create high heat in an unshaded vehicle. I wonder still if he placed a temperature gauge or similar instrument in his car at noon. JMO

 

[oh_gal]

IMO there wouldn't be much point in asking her to take the fall for the searches if he'd already admitted to them to the police himself????

Right. I was just commenting on the possibility that another poster brought up -- commenting more on the fact that they could have had a private conversation, not so much what was said -- was just using the example that the poster gave.

 

[scarlett_hues]

Ugh. I think I don't like what I am thinking.
I think it is relevant, imo.

That's MSU. The "park here" is parking for the away team for football games.

 

[Suthrnqt]

It's happened to me several times in the thread as well. All you need to do is go to edit the post. At the top it will have two QUOTE OPEN tags at before the post. You simply delete the one that's wrong. You can see the OPEN Miss J quote tag in the post itself. Just delete mine. I've done this several times already in the thread myself.

Go LOOK at the post. YOU CAN SEE THE OPEN MISS J quote tag. Just delete my name and leave hers and it will be quoted properly. It take two seconds.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #6


Here's the other misquote and YOU CAN SEE THE OPEN QUOTE tag of the proper poster, before the quoted part. Just edit the post and delete the inappropriate quote tag.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #6




It seriously takes two seconds to fix it.

It is a forum glitch. :banghead:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

There's no forum glitch. If a post has a broken quote and someone quote's that post, it will attribute the wrong name.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Chewy I have seen that happen sporadically on this forum many times. Someone will quote a post and it attributes the post to the previous person they were replying too.

It has happened to me and others, it is a real forum glitch and becomes especially notice in debate threads such as those on the political pavilion, suddenly staunch supporters on one side of the issue start being quoted as saying the most bizarre things. LOL.

Thanks wasn't enough. I have tried to explain that it is the forum and not the individual poster, to no avail. :banghead: