GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #6

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BBM
That is so different that it can't be compared to this case. People do use water to bathe, shower, swim in, boat, water ski, etc....

Is there some recreational activity that involves baking to death in a hot car?

No it isn't. If a parent looked it up and their child happened to drown in the next week or so, You don't think people would be all over that?? IT is the same thing IMO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It is not a 'fact' that the mother searched. I think she is lying.

I think he never thought he would be investigated, he thought he would be taken at his word. Tragic accident.

JMO

The mother admitted she searched to the police.

 

[EGirl]

The mother admitted she searched to the police.

No, she didn't 'admit', she CLAIMED she searched too.

I want to see that verified through forensic examination of her computer by LE.

IMO she lied about the search to make her husband look less guilty.

 

[Lovejac]

Wow, I just found this forum this weekend and I am embarrassed to admit how long I've spent catching up on threads! You all are quite insightful! I don't normally follow cases like these because they are so sad, but RH is a friend of friends. I was so sad for him and his family when I heard the news. I've kept up with news articles and defended him here and there.

Then I wondered why didn't he pick up CH if he just forgot to drop him off? I didn't know LH usually did it at the time. I found this board and have been reading pretty much nonstop ever since. Like I said, I don't know him at all, but what you all have uncovered in his personality reminds me very much of my ex husband who is a narcissist in these same circles where appearance is everything.

When my ex and I had our baby, he did not adjust well to no longer being the center of attention or being able to do what he wanted when he wanted. He was the image of the doting father, but behind closed doors, it wasn't like that. Eventually, he decided he wanted out, but he couldn't stand the thought of being the bad guy, so he came up with an elaborate scheme to make the end of the marriage my fault. He put us through absolute misery before finally terminating his parental rights to avoid paying child support while adopting his stepkids. He has quite the following of people who think he's the best dad in the world and would be shocked if they knew. The reason they don't is because I know they wouldn't believe me. Funny enough, both my ex and JH were on the same message board for awhile where they were both liked and accepted.

Why couldn't they walk away like most dads? IMO, 2 reasons. 1) As narcissists, they can't stand the idea of sharing THEIR money in paying child support. 2) In their ultra conservative communities, they can't take the ego crushing idea that they might be seen as the bad guy. It's too much for their egos to handle. Because they are the most important person in the world to themselves, they don't think about how their actions hurt others. It's all about getting what they want and saving face, never having to admit they did anything wrong.

Now that I've been through it, I can spot this personality type a mile away and imoo, JH pings my radar.

This points directly to the elusive motive. I think his motive was exactly the same as my ex's: get out of a situation that requires genuine self-sacrifice and responsibility, get out of paying child support, and do all in such a way that people not only don't blame them for doing something bad but also feel sorry for them. While not everyone feels sorry for JH, of course, the people in his circle DO. And that was the entire point.

Everything else, I have nothing to add. I completely agree this was an accident on purpose for all the reasons you all have already stated. Excellent points.

All of the above MOO. Sorry for the super long first post!

Great first post! I'm so glad you found your way here.

Welcome!!!

 

[Hamsterdance]

Couldn't the motive simply be that their lives were turned upside down, he or they couldn't handle the responsibility or "terrible 2's" and didn't want him anymore? I know it seems unfathomable, when there are other options like giving him up, but making Cooper's death seem like an accident would alleviate them from their "burden" so to speak, and gain them sympathy at the same time.


:moo:

 

[EGirl]

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Then I wondered why didn't he pick up CH if he just forgot to drop him off?

Welcome to WS! The part of your post that I bolded above is a sticking point for me. Not only did he forget to drop him off... he forgot to pick him up?

And, he was not headed home after work, he was headed to meet up with friends for drinks. So, he made plans too and again FORGOT his child.

 

[jjenny]

A motive is not supposed to be necessary to prove the neglect/cruelty charge, but it sure would help. Jurors recently IMO are stupid. And they need lots of dots connected - so yes, it would be lovely if we had some motive because I think jurors would have an easier time with this case but it is not required if a juror follows the jury instructions and the letter of the law while deliberating. Again JMO

We are not privy to the motive but it doesn't mean the motive doesn't exist.
For instance, at first nobody thought Scott Peterson had any motive. He was described as the perfect husband. As it turned out he wasn't so perfect after all.

 

[tlcya]

:wagon: LibertyandJustice4 - so glad to have you join us. Thanks for your insights on this case. hope to read more of them in future.

Also, if you end up finding this case too much for you please make sure you check out some of the other cases that are discussed here. Missing persons, cold and unidentified cases are always in need of fresh eyes ad perspectives

 

[jjenny]

What is stirring in my head is that He is an IT guy. He knows that it will look bad for him. IF he was doing it deliberately to get away with murder, then he would not do it from his computer. The fact that they were both searching means to me that they were both concerned about it. It is just too plain to me.

They are so concerned about it (the both of them) and a short time later their child dies because he was left in the car?
That makes sense to you?
If they were searching about poisoning, and their child died from poisoning, would that make sense to you?

 

[DeDee]

Im just trying to think of other cases and see how soon their was an arrest or case brought against someone.

Here you go, ScarlettScarpetta. The Associated Press conducted a study on sentencing variations.

Associated Press
Sentences Vary When Kids Die in Hot Cars
By ALLEN G. BREED 07.28.07, 12:02 PM ET

http://ggweather.com/heat/ap_sentencing.htm

 

[Karmady]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! :blowkiss:

I've been wanting to hear her words in her voice

Sounds like a dramatic reading, to me. How do we know that's her voice? jmo

 

[tlcya]

We are not privy to the motive but it doesn't mean the motive doesn't exist.
For instance, at first nobody thought Scott Peterson had any motive. He was described as the perfect husband. As it turned out he wasn't so perfect after all.

totally agree, if purposeful then there is a motive, but motive is not required to be shown in these charges. I just worry that if one is not found or proved the jury will have a hard time with this case. Because juries are made up of average joe's and humans and sometimes in complex cases with complex jury instructions they have a hard time following thru. JMO

 

[EGirl]

Sounds like a dramatic reading, to me. How do we know that's her voice? jmo

The reading on JVM is not the mothers voice. It is a producer reading the transcript.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Here you go, ScarlettScarpetta. The Associated Press conducted a study on sentencing variations.

Associated Press
Sentences Vary When Kids Die in Hot Cars
By ALLEN G. BREED 07.28.07, 12:02 PM ET

http://ggweather.com/heat/ap_sentencing.htm

Thanks for the search but I am really trying to find the length of time they were arrested and charged if at all. That is going to take case by case searching.. And something I don't have time for now..

 

[Tricia]

I posted something similar this morning about motive and got a lot of flack. In fact I limited my thoughts on how it would affect my personal feelings about this case. I'm interested in how your post is received.

As long as posters gave you flack within the boundries of our "Terms of Service".

Hey I welcome discussion on my post. I'm just waiting until there is a motive revealed. If there is no motive then I don't know how strong of a case they really have.

 

[Minette]

I think if an employee signs an employment agreement which includes a "talking to the media" clause, the company is safe.

Depends on if you are in an employment at will state, IMO. People do tend to think that 'free speech' means that you are free from all consequences of the content of your speech, which is not true. It simply means that the GOVERNMENT cannot prevent you from stating your ideas as long as they don't harm another person.

It doesn't mean you can say whatever you want at any time and be free from any consequences. Private citizens, employers and other entities can still impose consequences on you for harmful speech.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

A motive is not supposed to be necessary to prove the neglect/cruelty charge, but it sure would help. Jurors recently IMO are stupid. And they need lots of dots connected - so yes, it would be lovely if we had some motive because I think jurors would have an easier time with this case but it is not required if a juror follows the jury instructions and the letter of the law while deliberating. Again JMO

It's not required but often prosecutors will try and put a motive before the jury because it makes getting a guilty verdict much easier. No motive leaves a lot of room for a defense attorney to try and create reasonable doubt.

JMO.

 

[x_files]

The reading on JVM is not the mothers voice. It is a producer reading the transcript.

Did anyone video or record the actual funeral?

 

[EGirl]

Did anyone video or record the actual funeral?

If so.... I haven't found it yet.

 

[tlcya]

It's not required but often prosecutors will try and put a motive before the jury because it makes getting a guilty verdict much easier. No motive leaves a lot of room for a defense attorney to try and create reasonable doubt.

JMO.

I am not disagreeing. I am in agreement.

ETA sorry if my post you quoted did not make that clear.