GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #6

[popsicle]

It's a known fact that she was questioned after Harris was in custody, because he was in custody while that sweet baby's remains were still on the pavement.

So we know they didn't have a private discussion where he told her to take the fall for him by claiming to have made internet searches. We know that. We know that CNN said he wasn't receiving visitors or media.

[modsnip]

I'll wait and see who exactly he was calling before police arrived before I decide.

 

[JudyBolton]

The smell would of be overwhelming. I am surprise he made it out of his parking lot with out looking around. That just makes me so sick.

I think LE has more on video. That is why he is not being released on bond.

OK - I am 10 pages behind -so someone may have already said this. I have also thought that LE may have more evidence on video of his actions both at lunch and after 4 pm. If the video is good enough - perhaps even showing him turning his head to look at the car seat?

Someone mentioned that since he is IT he should know about the parking lot cameras - but as was pointed out - he was not truly an IT guy there but a web-designer so he probably didn't deal with those types of things.

I just continue to believe that LE has something else major that we will hear about in due time - based on :
1 - how quickly he was arrested and charged
2. - statement of the Sgt. Dana Pierce
3. - statement of Randy Travis

I hope (if they have something ) that it is clear cut and not ambiguous.

As always - we will have to wait and see.....

 

[JeannaT]

Jeanna, did you see swampmama's first post about the "choking" and the smell? The smell has been something I've been wondering really hard about and she has a possible explanation. Basically, she said the movement of the vehicle could have caused the release of gas that not only could have made a noise but also fouled the air extremely. That hadn't even occurred to me, but could explain a lot. jmo

Thanks, Karmady. I'll look for it. I do know that corpses belch and vomit and have posted about the belching part.

Lordy.

 

[tlcya]

If I remember - the windows on the vehicle were up in the photos from the scene. I wonder if they were up when he pulled in (closed car blasting air conditioner)

Seeing as the odor conversation has renewed itself, if there was an odor as has been reported in MSM, was he dirving around with windows up blasting the air conditioner to keep himself cool with the odor for that ten minute drive from the office to the pizza joint where he pulled in after remembering FINALLY Cooper?

If there was such an "overwhelming odor" (not my words - from the reports) why in heaven would he not have had the windows down AND the air blasting to try to get some of the odor out. How could he DRIVE like that? For ten minutes? With windows up?

I wonder if they were up when he pulled in or were rolled up later to preserve any said odor that was left in there.

 

[nightwatch]

No, she didn't 'admit', she CLAIMED she searched too.

I want to see that verified through forensic examination of her computer by LE.

IMO she lied about the search to make her husband look less guilty.

Hopefully unlike another case LE checks for all the browsers and not just IE. Jmo

ciao

 

[tlcya]

Jeanna, did you see swampmama's first post about the "choking" and the smell? The smell has been something I've been wondering really hard about and she has a possible explanation. Basically, she said the movement of the vehicle could have caused the release of gas that not only could have made a noise but also fouled the air extremely. That hadn't even occurred to me, but could explain a lot. jmo

ackkkk, just saw this, thread is moving too fast

So it is possible for the gases to begin escaping after the rigor making an audible noise in so short a time as 7 hours in a closed vehicle? Thanks to swampmama for that info - going back to find any link she provided so I can figure out if this fits timeline. I could have sworn it took those cases longer to reach a point where some would need to escape that quickly after death.

 

[matou]

On Nancy Grace, a caller asked about life insurance and a guest speaker (local reporter from Alabama) stated that people are looking for info on that and that there was no indication that the family was in any financial trouble.

 

[NancyA]

Me either. I don't want to be a power poster either. I did look it up in the urban dictionary and it said it's posters who purposely "up" their posting count when they're on a website that gives extra points or benefits or status to posters with high levels of posting. So power posters apparently post things with no content whatsoever just to get big post numbers.

Salem was using the term to mean people who keep on and on and on posting trying to prove their point. That's me, and I do that for awhile and then fade for awhile. I don't want to be banned either. Wish we had clearer boundaries. ;D

You know, while people disagree with each other, I have no problem with anyone who wants to post again and again even if it means repeating the same points - these threads move so fast things often get missed the first time around. It's easy to be seen as a power poster if, like me, one only gets limited blocks of time to participate. For me it's early am and early pm pacific time. For those short periods I'm sure it must look like I'm jumping in to reply to every post when the reality is I'm trying to catch up on pages of interesting response worthy posts AND keep up with the current flow. Sure it's the same for you and several others.

Just saying I may not agree with another poster but that doesn't mean I have personal problem with that poster.

 

[liltexans]

If I remember - the windows on the vehicle were up in the photos from the scene. I wonder if they were up when he pulled in (closed car blasting air conditioner)

Seeing as the odor conversation has renewed itself, if there was an odor as has been reported in MSM, was he dirving around with windows up blasting the air conditioner to keep himself cool with the odor for that ten minute drive from the office to the pizza joint where he pulled in after remembering FINALLY Cooper?

If there was such an "overwhelming odor" (not my words - from the reports) why in heaven would he not have had the windows down AND the air blasting to try to get some of the odor out. How could he DRIVE like that? For ten minutes? With windows up?

I wonder if they were up when he pulled in or were rolled up later to preserve any said odor that was left in there.

If he was driving with the air conditioning on, it's probably because he couldn't stand to drive in nearly 90 degree heat, sweating all the way. He probably wasn't comfortable being in that heat without air conditioning. If true, it makes what he did to Cooper even more cruel and heinous.

 

[Jamie737]

CNN just reported that both parents researched death in hot cars.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/30/justice/georgia-toddler-death/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

 

[momrids6]

ackkkk, just saw this, thread is moving too fast

So it is possible for the gases to begin escaping after the rigor making an audible noise in so short a time as 7 hours in a closed vehicle? Thanks to swampmama for that info - going back to find any link she provided so I can figure out if this fits timeline. I could have sworn it took those cases longer to reach a point where some would need to escape that quickly after death.

bbm/ FYI: not posting content due to content ...

http://www.deathreference.com/Py-Se/Rigor-Mortis-and-Other-Postmortem-Changes.html

 

[musicaljoke]

Ages


STATISTICS
•Total number of U.S. heatstroke deaths of children left in cars, 2014: 13
•Total number of U.S. heatstroke deaths of children left in cars, 2013: 44
• Total number of U.S. heatstroke deaths of children left in cars, 1998-present: 619

http://ggweather.com/heat/

Drop-side cribs were banned in the US after 30 babies died. But somehow car manufacturers may ignore the fact that 619 (!) little ones have died when left in over-heated cars, when installing a safety system would be so simple.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

I need motive in a case like this.

I can understand that. However I must admit that I wonder if the frustration I'm feeling over "the motive" discussion is at all similar to what prosecutors face when deciding whether or not to try a case these days.

We live in a time of advanced technology -- DNA, ballistics, etc... Cases without any of that are extremely difficult to try because people want "The Smoking Gun," or in absence of that, they want a clear motive.

This will be a circumstantial case (unless direct evidence comes to light in the future). It is also a felony murder case -- which means that he may have not meant to KILL the boy, but he was acting in such an irresponsible (aka neglectful/abusive) fashion that would have been prosecuted standing alone with or without the death of the boy (if discovered).

First the case and the evidence -- WHY must we require that smoking gun when every bit of circumstantial evidence when ADDED TOGETHER forms a huge, neon arrow pointing to NOT an "accident"?

Motive? There are famous cases with NO clear motive -- it was up to the prosecutor to try to figure it out & explain to the jury.

I imagine in THIS case, a good prosecutor could open and close with something similar to this:

Ladies & gentleman of the jury, I have no clear motive to present to you. There is no smoking gun. This case requires you to put the pieces of a puzzle together. One piece on its own means nothing -- it's the entire picture, when all the pieces are in place, that proves guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. When the defendant had JUST SEARCHED hot car deaths in the days prior, you would think it would be fresh on his mind. He forgot his child after Chick-Fil-A, within minutes -- less than 5 to be exact. He didn't remember in the morning. He didn't notice him when he went to his car in the middle of the day. He didn't remember in the afternoon. He didn't remember until he was on the freeway after work. He didn't notice a smell that was noted by officers on the scene. He claimed his child was choking. One piece by itself... horrible, unfortunate accident. All together? NOT an accident. WHY was the child left in the car? We don't know. But he was left there -- as we've established, it's doubtful he was truly "forgotten" -- and he died. Dad may not have wanted him to die, but he is dead as a result of negligence. Gross negligence/abuse that results in death = felony murder, beyond a reasonable doubt.

They have a case, IMO

 

[craftybatchy]

The dying often lose sphincter control. If Cooper had a BM while he was in the car, add 100 F heat, maybe some leftovers from Chick-Fil-A in a bag, that would have been quite the stench. Dunno if they were the types to keep the car clean on a regular basis, so the there might have had an underlying odour already. Does anyone know if a pet was mentioned ? Transporting an animal can cause increased odours in vehicles.

I can't see 7 hours in a vehicle, 6 of them after death, resulting in decomposition odour.

Has anyone come forward stating that Cooper was seen alive, with his father in the restaurant ? I didn't realize that particular establishment was open that early.

 

[fruity]

I had no idea that people could start to smell so strongly that quickly after death.

Of course, my only experiences of death have been with a grandparent who was in the care of the hospital and undertakers immediately after death. The viewing was 3 days later and there was no smell at all.

And animals of course but I never get close to them.

 

[newone]

On Nancy Grace, a caller asked about life insurance and a guest speaker (local reporter from Alabama) stated that people are looking for info on that and that there was no indication that the family was in any financial trouble.

answer doesn't match the question -- I hate that....

 

[Chewy]

What's the motive in Munchausen by Proxy?

Motive

He doesn't want kids

 

[x_files]

I can understand that. However I must admit that I wonder if the frustration I'm feeling over "the motive" discussion is at all similar to what prosecutors face when deciding whether or not to try a case these days.

We live in a time of advanced technology -- DNA, ballistics, etc... Cases without any of that are extremely difficult to try because people want "The Smoking Gun," or in absence of that, they want a clear motive.

This will be a circumstantial case (unless direct evidence comes to light in the future). It is also a felony murder case -- which means that he may have not meant to KILL the boy, but he was acting in such an irresponsible (aka neglectful/abusive) fashion that would have been prosecuted standing alone with or without the death of the boy (if discovered).

First the case and the evidence -- WHY must we require that smoking gun when every bit of circumstantial evidence when ADDED TOGETHER forms a huge, neon arrow pointing to NOT an "accident"?

Motive? There are famous cases with NO clear motive -- it was up to the prosecutor to try to figure it out & explain to the jury.

I imagine in THIS case, a good prosecutor could open and close with something similar to this:

Ladies & gentleman of the jury, I have no clear motive to present to you. There is no smoking gun. This case requires you to put the pieces of a puzzle together. One piece on its own means nothing -- it's the entire picture, when all the pieces are in place, that proves guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. When the defendant had JUST SEARCHED hot car deaths in the days prior, you would think it would be fresh on his mind. He forgot his child after Chick-Fil-A, within minutes -- less than 5 to be exact. He didn't remember in the morning. He didn't notice him when he went to his car in the middle of the day. He didn't remember in the afternoon. He didn't remember until he was on the freeway after work. He didn't notice a smell that was noted by officers on the scene. He claimed his child was choking. One piece by itself... horrible, unfortunate accident. All together? NOT an accident. WHY was the child left in the car? We don't know. But he was left there -- as we've established, it's doubtful he was truly "forgotten" -- and he died. Dad may not have wanted him to die, but he is dead as a result of negligence. Gross negligence/abuse that results in death = felony murder, beyond a reasonable doubt.

They have a case, IMO

I think a motive will come to light soon after LE go through his computers. Affairs, online dating, wanted to be free of responsibility or just didn't give a damn. If he searched about "how long does it take for a child to die in a hot car" recently and his child die is evidence enough for me.
Either a strange coincidence or the world's most unlikely SOB.

 

[SmartSassyBBW]

Someone said,"When he felt the body that it was warm, he may not have instantly realized the boy was dead... "
That baby boy wasn't cold because he had been baked for 7 hours!!! Here is a Weather Channel slideshow about 90* temps and cars. One note says an animal can perish in a few
minutes. Cooper was less than 30lbs at 22 months. http://www.weather.com/activities/driving/slideshow/hot_car.html

 

[EGirl]

CNN just reported that both parents researched death in hot cars.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/30/justice/georgia-toddler-death/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

They reported that they were told by both parents that they searched. I still haven't seen it independently verified.

Among the tidbits police have released about the case is that Harris and his wife, Leanna, told them that they conducted Internet searches on how hot a car needed to get to kill a child

And also, why do you need to search how hot the car has to be for death? Is any amount of time in a car alone acceptable? Did they really need to research (both being from the hot south) how hot the car needs to be for death?

How hot?? That was the search. Don't understand it. He didn't search 'how to prevent child deaths in hot cars'.