GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #6

[Sincerely]

Such a sweet photo. To me he looks a lot like his dad.

Yes such a sweet looking little boy!


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[princesslisa]

To me, any way, he wasn't expecting to be looked at as a suspect. So, he probably didn't think that surveillance footage, etc would be looked at. At least, not at first. I think once the day went on, and he realized that someone else wasn't going to find his son, he panicked.

This is what I think his thought process was: Leave baby in car to die, passerby will find him (maybe at lunch time when people drive off to pick up lunch or whatever) and they will call 911. The cop will come up and say, 'We found your son in the car, and he died.' Then he would start his histrionics, his coworkers would surround him, vouch for what a good dad he was. He went to Chick Fil A with his son, and he only does that on days when he doesn't work, so he forgot to drop his son off because it was out of his routine, so on... End scene.

It didn't work out that way. So, then he didn't know what to do, and that's when he started to make some really weird choices that IMO gave him away. He was a 911 dispatcher, from what I read, and so he knew if he was guilty NOT to make the 911 call. Maybe he weighed dumping the body. Maybe he thought that was too risky, so he just panicked.

 

[MyBelle]

In order to be charged with a crime you have to commit one.

This isn't a good situation, for sure, and it's more of a concern that she's a day care owner.

BUT, in Pennsylvania it's legal to leave kids 6 and older in an unattended car, and it's legal to leave babies in a car if they're "attended". There is no minimum age for babysitters in the state.

This probably won't be followed by the media, but I'd like to see what law she violated, since it's technically legal to do what she did.

Uh, no. It was not technically legal. You musta missed the part about the vehicle left running with children inside. I'm pretty sure Pennsylvania doesn't issue driver's licenses to nine-year-old children. Any moron who thinks it is okay to leave six children including two infants in a running vehicle deserves to be charged with six counts of child endangerment. She can also kiss her childcare license goodbye.

http://www.kidsandcars.org/userfiles/state-laws/pennsylvania-state-law.pdf

 

[Sonya610]

If someone is roundly beloved by family and live long friends, you can believe it. IMHO.

Uhhhh....BTK (Dennis Rader) had lots of church friends, he was also an Elder at his church which means people "thought highly of him".

John Wayne Gacy had LOTS of friends in his community as well (though grant it he had a criminal past). Gacy had old friends that sobbed at his execution.

In addition how many of these people belong to the same church? Those groups feel a NEED to defend members until proven guilty because they don't want to believe one of their own would do something like that. Sheesh the "applause" Ross got at the funeral came after his wife said "He is the leader of our household" which says a LOT about the mindset of the funeral goers!

 

[newone]

That's not my experience in life.

My experience is that there are a lot of guys who are glib, generally well-liked and do fairly well in sales or politics.

But they have few really true long term friends and their wives say after the divorce "you didn't really know him".

it could be that there may be a turnaround point in this case too
we just don't know enough yet

people change

 

[katydid23]

IDK just because he was seen/there is footage of his putting the child in his car seat does not mean they went in. What if he did the drive-thru and then there was a spillage in the back and he had to pull over and get Cooper out and clean up then put him back. Not that I think that is what happened but you never know.

But either way, if he is taking the baby in and out of his car seat, then he is fully aware of his presence. So just about one minute later, when he passes the exit for the daycare, how can he forget so fast?

 

[newone]

But either way, if he is taking the baby in and out of his car seat, then he is fully aware of his presence. So just about one minute later, when he passes the exit for the daycare, how can he forget so fast?

unless he was impaired by medication or medical condition -- can't see how that could happen either
and if either was the case, not good.

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

BBM. Nonsense. Wives are usually in denial and think the controlling actions are out of love and thus don't figure it out until the narcissist finally turns on them.

From her remarks at the funeral, the wife in this case is still in the denial stage.

JMO

I couldn't agree more. It doesn't take much reading up on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, particularly in context to a relationship, and you'll very easily find that N's are masters at gaslighting and leading their partners/spouses to believe they (the victim spouse) are the one with the problems/who's crazy/who has issues/who is in the wrong/who isn't as intelligent/who is intellectually inferior/who is a silly overdramatic woman, etc etc. I used to belong to a large online Forum for victims of Narcissists.........and the common them which I can personally attest to, is that relationship victims of Narcissists have no CLUE they're in a marriage/relationship with an N.............until they finally break free from the relationship and even then it can take months to years to get over the denial..........because they have been so deeply brainwashed/manipulated/controlled/abused.

 

[jjenny]

:yourock:



:detective: May I compliment your brilliance on this significant find! matou, this is a huge clue, don't you agree? Major. This information takes things to an all new level. Wonder if LE knows? Perhaps you should send them an email, if you haven't already. For Cooper :heart:

Cooper wants to share with you -----> :cupcake:

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Like already been pointed out, nowdays even men with very low sperm count can have children with assisted reproductive technology.
I think child looked a lot like him.

 

[lightlady]

I really think that if had happened like Princesslisa describes above and Cooper was found dead by noon, RH would not be under suspicion and the web searches wouldn't have even come into play. It is what happened after noon that set off the chain of events that caused LE to look further...

 

[MyBelle]

That's not my experience in life.

My experience is that there are a lot of guys who are glib, generally well-liked and do fairly well in sales or politics.

But they have few really true long term friends and their wives say after the divorce "you didn't really know him".

I was responding to your generalized comment about narcissists stated as fact. I think you are wrong and that there are plenty of murdered wives that prove you are wrong.

JMO

Originally Posted by JeannaT
Not very often, really.

There are very few cases where people are fooled by murderers - besides acquaintances I mean.

I know it's been said here that Harris must be a narcissist - but wives KNOW that. Acquaintances don't - but close family and wives do.

If someone is roundly beloved by family and live long friends, you can believe it. IMHO.

 

[newone]

:yourock:



:detective: May I compliment your brilliance on this significant find! matou, this is a huge clue, don't you agree? Major. This information takes things to an all new level. Wonder if LE knows? Perhaps you should send them an email, if you haven't already. For Cooper :heart:

Cooper wants to share with you -----> :cupcake:

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made a huge difference in sleuthing today

 

[blue22]

I was responding to your generalized comment about narcissists stated as fact. I think you are wrong and that there are plenty of murdered wives that prove you are wrong.

JMO

Originally Posted by JeannaT
Not very often, really.

There are very few cases where people are fooled by murderers - besides acquaintances I mean.

I know it's been said here that Harris must be a narcissist - but wives KNOW that. Acquaintances don't - but close family and wives do.

If someone is roundly beloved by family and live long friends, you can believe it. IMHO.

I guess if they can't talk, they don't count.

:facepalm:

 

[Confusion]

I didn't know. My daughter is licensed as a Veterinary Assistant, but has not got an AA or any other "degree", she took what is called a "Certificate Program".

There's a difference between a veterinary assistant and a licensed dietitian. The minimum education to become a dietitian (not just licensed) is a Bachelor's Degree. From the US Department of Labor.

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/dietitians-and-nutritionists.htm

 

[popsicle]

I really think that if had happened like Princesslisa describes above and Cooper was found dead by noon, RH would not be under suspicion and the web searches wouldn't have even come into play. It is what happened after noon that set off the chain of events that caused LE to look further...

He would have been charged imo. Because of the short amount of time between him interacting with Cooper and then forgetting about Cooper. And from what I have seen the jury usually finds them guilty. The judge is usually very lenient because they show remorse and the burden they will carry the rest of their life. jmo

 

[SuperTmo]

News feed just showed a couple In Louisana I think it was that left a 6month old in the car at a Walmart for about an hour...she was rescued, fed, changed and cared for....the people (not gonna even call them parents) did not even remember her being in there or so they said....they have other children including a twin of this baby....drugs, drugs, drugs....thank God the kids were removed from where they were found. They walk among us.

I'm glad this baby was rescued! Who the hell thinks this is OK? =( There is an experience that will be burned into my brain forever. I was in the right place at the right time to help save a baby that was trapped in a hot car.

In 2005 I had recently graduated college and moved back to my hometown for the summer. My mom and I stopped for lunch and parked next to a car w/ the windows up and a baby in an infant seat. We lived in inland So. California at the time and it was the labor day weekend... super super hot! It was in the low 90's that day. I worked as a nanny at the time and had a habit of looking into carseats while walking by cars. It's just something I've always done just in case... but I never expected to see a baby! Luckily there was a fire station about 2 blocks away.

I asked my mom if it was a doll and she NO. I banged hard on the window and the baby didn't move. Her face was bright pink. My mom ran into the restaurant to see if she could find the owner and I called 911 on my cell phone. I said, "I need help for a baby that is locked in a car. I'm at Jack in the Box on Woodside and there is a baby in a car with the windows up. I banged on the windows and the baby could just be asleep but it did not move. I have no idea how long the car has been here."

They had the baby out of that car in about 1.5 minutes from the time I made the call. I could hear the fire engine sirens start up and the dispatcher asked for a description of the car. I swear before I could finish telling the lady the make, model, color and plate number, two fire engines came screaming down the street, and as the first was rolling to a stop in the road two guys jumped off the back and had the car window broken out. They didn't spare one second, didn't try to assess the situation, didn't attempt to locate the owner to find out if the car had only been sitting a minute or two or anything... they just took swift action and saved her life. The only question they asked me before the broke the window was when they were running up from the engine, "this car?" I said yes and it was done.

The baby was ultimately OK but they took her to the hospital because she was so lethargic, not very alert, and hot to the touch. They arrested the guy who was supposed to be taking care of her. He didn't hear my mom call for the owner of the car because he was in the bathroom reading the paper. He came waltzing out of the restaurant with his newspaper under his arm 15 minutes AFTER the baby was out with his paper irate that they broke his window out. It was estimated that the baby was in the car for 15-20 minutes prior to me arriving because he ate first. The police had assumed the car was abandoned at the restaurant because he didn't even respond when they went in the restroom to see if the driver was in there. WTF.

I will never forget that day. These stories hurt my heart so badly.

 

[chlban]

The amount of time a child can be left in a hot car is zero minutes. Kind of like looking up how many stories up a child on a ledge would have to fall in order to die. You don't put a child in either situation, ever, for any period of time.

Exactly. That is what baffles me about looking up how long it takes for death.
Just don't do it. Period. Ever.

Then you don't have to worry about how long.

During the winter months I often take my little dog with me when I have errands to run. She is perfectly content to sleep in her little bed in the car while I run in to a store or cleaners, whatever (So. CA., so it's never too cold). However, once it warms up at all, that practice has to stop. Period. Unless we are going to Home Depot or Petsmart, both of which allow her to come in with me, or of course to the dog park, she has to stay home until it cools off again.

Duh. It has never occurred to me to look up anything pertaining to this practice.

 

[Confusion]

Sorry for double posting, but I forgot something I wanted to ask. I thought I'd read all of the posts and links, but haven't seen this on any of the links. Has it been stated in MSM that he was diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, or is another case of psychic evaluations? TIA

 

[SStarr33]

To me, any way, he wasn't expecting to be looked at as a suspect. So, he probably didn't think that surveillance footage, etc would be looked at. At least, not at first. I think once the day went on, and he realized that someone else wasn't going to find his son, he panicked.

This is what I think his thought process was: Leave baby in car to die, passerby will find him (maybe at lunch time when people drive off to pick up lunch or whatever) and they will call 911. The cop will come up and say, 'We found your son in the car, and he died.' Then he would start his histrionics, his coworkers would surround him, vouch for what a good dad he was. He went to Chick Fil A with his son, and he only does that on days when he doesn't work, so he forgot to drop his son off because it was out of his routine, so on... End scene.

It didn't work out that way. So, then he didn't know what to do, and that's when he started to make some really weird choices that IMO gave him away. He was a 911 dispatcher, from what I read, and so he knew if he was guilty NOT to make the 911 call. Maybe he weighed dumping the body. Maybe he thought that was too risky, so he just panicked.

Then why did they change it to second degree from first degree?

 

[princesslisa]

Like already been pointed out, nowdays even men with very low sperm count can have children with assisted reproductive technology.
I think child looked a lot like him.

Reproductive technology is very expensive - IUI with donor sperm would only be $350-$1500, from what I can see. It looks like something like ICSI/IVF would easily be $7000-$14,500. I don't know their financial portfolio or anything, but since both parents worked and it seems HD was paying for the funeral, I don't know how much money they had available to pour into fertility treatments.

Maybe at the time he didn't mind if the baby was conceived using donor sperm, since he thought it had a chance of not working, but as time went on, it bothered him more and more. Maybe they have poor credit and didn't qualify for financing.

Just because something exists doesn't mean it's attainable for everyone. I mean, for all we know, she got sperm from a friend and used a turkey baster (the cost: a turkey baster.)

All it would take is a DNA test to prove whether or not Justin was the bio dad, any way. I don't personally think he looks a ton like dad - he has mom's coloring, mom's chin, a big smile... Even his nose looks kind of like a generic kid nose, you know? It doesn't necessarily look distinct enough, to me any way, to attribute to Justin. YMMV.