GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #7

[katydid23]

Thanks!

Also, here is an image of a Hyundai Tucson with a child rear facing car seat. It's a 2012 model, not 2011, but shouldn't make much difference:

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/07/2012-hyundai-tucson-car-seat-check.html

IMO, it doesn't get closer than that. It's touching the front seats. (Looks like this one is installed behind the front passenger seat. If it was placed in the middle, I think it would extend between the seats by several inches).

WOW. just wow. That can't be possible. If the seat was anywhere near that close, he is DONE. GUILTY....:jail:

 

[newone]

Chewy….I agree with your posts above 100%…didn't want to clog the thread quoting you. My husband brought this up over the weekend. He was so upset about reading the news on Cooper, he said, "while I was cleaning out my car, I closed the doors just to feel how hot it gets". He didn't last 10 minutes. He said to me, If I every did such a thing to my child even by accident , I would put myself in the back of the police car, plead guilty and expect to be locked away. Yes we are not perfect, and I commend you for sharing your story. Thanks button wasn't good enough for me.

sounds like you are married to a decent man -- hug him lots

 

[Elley Mae]

HEIGHT 5 ft. 5.2 in. (65.2 in.

http://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/tucson/2011/features-specs.html

 

[katydid23]

That is true.

As Chewy pointed out, you can see LH taking the picture in the reflection of the lamp. She definitely looks as if she is smiling. So lying relaxing at home with your gorgeous baby sleeping peacefully on your chest -and your wife smilingly capturing the moment on camera - what on earth is that facial expression about - would you not at least being giving a half smile in response?

I am leaning towards a theory I have seen here, about a selfish man, who did not like sharing his wife's love and attention. A man who was jealous of his son.

I have seen it happen before, with very ugly results.

 

[newone]

Why would he take a selfie of something he hated?

I don't think that was a selfie.....it was a reluctant father photo being shot by his wife ((betcha a donut on that one))

 

[SStarr33]

it's an suv, not a vw bug. lol

Here are specs:

http://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/tucson/2011/features-specs.html

LENGTH 14ft 5.2in
WIDTH 5ft 11.7in
HEIGHT 5ft 5.2in

So if that is right, he would be looking down on the roof, but it seems really short to me.

 

[momrids6]

Exactly!

That rear facing seat would be so close to the drivers seat none of this makes sense to me!! When convertible car seats are rear facing they take up so much space!

yep and he's a tall guy so he'd be ''looking down'' on it from almost any point at the car

In context order above, newone was referring to view inside of the car of car seat- not outside.

Interesting. So he could be looking down at the roof of the car instead of into the windows.

The driver's seat offers the high seating position of a traditional SUV, but the roofline is low, and the rear windows taper off near the C-pillars.
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Drivers around 6 feet tall may find the driver's seat cramped: It can only go so far back, and the doors and dashboard encroach on space for your knees.

http://www.cars.com/hyundai/tucson/2011/expert-reviews

 

[newone]

That is true.

As Chewy pointed out, you can see LH taking the picture in the reflection of the lamp. She definitely looks as if she is smiling. So lying relaxing at home with your gorgeous baby sleeping peacefully on your chest -and your wife smilingly capturing the moment on camera - what on earth is that facial expression about - would you not at least being giving a half smile in response?

wow you are right -- didn't see her reflection until I read your post....amazing.....nasty little fart ......what a weeny whiner boy he is
am too subtle -- just don't like that guy grrrrrrrr

 

[katydid23]

Here are specs:

http://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/tucson/2011/features-specs.html

LENGTH 14ft 5.2in
WIDTH 5ft 11.7in
HEIGHT 5ft 5.2in

So if that is right, he would be looking down on the roof, but it seems really short to me.

Thx, I just looked at a picture of it. It is tiny.

All this time I imagined a car seat in the back seat of my Explorer. And I can see how a child might be overlooked.

But this car is teeny tiny. The back seats are so close to the front seats. No way you could not be aware of a child, just a foot away from you, imo.

 

[momrids6]

wow you are right -- didn't see her reflection until I read your post....amazing.....nasty little fart ......what a weeny whiner boy he is
am too subtle -- just don't like that guy grrrrrrrr

doesn't look too happy here either:

http://worldnewsandwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/d44-200x125.jpg

 

[DesertDreamer]

That is true.

As Chewy pointed out, you can see LH taking the picture in the reflection of the lamp. She definitely looks as if she is smiling - so lying relaxing at home with your gorgeous baby sleeping peacefully on your chest -and your wife smilingly capturing the moment on camera - what on earth is that facial expression about?

To be fair, it's hard to judge anything from a photo. It's like, what, one second in time with no context before or after!

I am not defending his actions and I believe this was planned (leaving Cooper in the car), but with this photo - maybe Cooper farted or needed a diaper change right before, which caused a less than enthused expression on his face. Or maybe she said something that annoyed him. Or maybe he had a go to the bathroom really badly after letting Cooper sleep on him for awhile and was going to get up, but she was all, no wait, just a moment let me take a pic and he was annoyed more with her than with Cooper. Maybe she accidently made too much noise and so he was giving her a look as if to say, shhh, he just got to sleep and she took the photo capturing his expression.

My point is, we have no idea what was going on before or when this photo was taken and I sort of think it's grasping at straws IMO, to read so much into it. If there was video, then maybe I could understand, especially if it was longer than a few seconds, but a photo? It's too hard to know what is going on. I know I've had countless photos taken of my where I look sad, angry or whatever else when I wasn't because the camera merely took a snapshot at a particular second in time where my face gave the appearance of those emotions.

So me personally, looking at this one photo and reading so much into it is like trying to read tea leaves. IMO.

I wish there were some home videos that were leaked or posted on social media. I think those would be a better judge of his demeanor and behavior with Cooper.

 

[newone]

LOL, everyone has been emphasizing how tiny it is.

it's a girly SUV they are small -- friend has one I 've been in it - not exactly a navigator if you know what I mean......

 

[SStarr33]

Does anyone know if they have a dog?

 

[newone]

To be fair, it's hard to judge anything from a photo. It's like, what, one second in time with no context before or after!

I am not defending his actions and I believe this was planned (leaving Cooper in the car), but with this photo - maybe Cooper farted or needed a diaper change right before, which caused a less than enthused expression on his face. Or maybe she said something that annoyed him. Or maybe he had a go to the bathroom really badly after letting Cooper sleep on him for awhile and was going to get up, but she was all, no wait, just a moment let me take a pic and he was annoyed more with her than with Cooper. Maybe she accidently made too much noise and so we was giving her a look as if to say, shhh, he just got to sleep and she took the photo capturing his expression.

My point is, we have no idea what was going on before or when this photo was taken and I sort of think it's grasping at straws IMO, to read so much into it. If there was video, then maybe I could understand, especially if it was longer than a few seconds, but a photo? It's too hard to know what is going on. I know I've had countless photos taken of my where I look sad, angry or whatever else when I wasn't because the camera merely took a snapshot at a particular second in time where my face gave the appearance of those emotions.

So me personally, looking at this one photo and reading so much into it is like trying to read tea leaves. IMO.

I wish there were some home videos that were leaked or posted on social media. I think those would be a better judge of his demeanor and behavior with Cooper.

:truce:

you are correct -- all we have is breadcrumbs

 

[popsicle]

That is true.

As Chewy pointed out, you can see LH taking the picture in the reflection of the lamp. She definitely looks as if she is smiling. So lying relaxing at home with your gorgeous baby sleeping peacefully on your chest -and your wife smilingly capturing the moment on camera - what on earth is that facial expression about - would you not at least being giving a half smile in response?

I think she placed Cooper on his chest to get a photo of daddy with his son. jmo

 

[Chewy]

To be fair, it's hard to judge anything from a photo. It's like, what, one second in time with no context before or after!

I am not defending his actions and I believe this was planned (leaving Cooper in the car), but with this photo - maybe Cooper farted or needed a diaper change right before, which caused a less than enthused expression on his face. Or maybe she said something that annoyed him. Or maybe he had a go to the bathroom really badly after letting Cooper sleep on him for awhile and was going to get up, but she was all, no wait, just a moment let me take a pic and he was annoyed more with her than with Cooper. Maybe she accidently made too much noise and so we was giving her a look as if to say, shhh, he just got to sleep and she took the photo capturing his expression.

My point is, we have no idea what was going on before or when this photo was taken and I sort of think it's grasping at straws IMO, to read so much into it. If there was video, then maybe I could understand, especially if it was longer than a few seconds, but a photo? It's too hard to know what is going on. I know I've had countless photos taken of my where I look sad, angry or whatever else when I wasn't because the camera merely took a snapshot at a particular second in time where my face gave the appearance of those emotions.

So me personally, looking at this one photo and reading so much into it is like trying to read tea leaves. IMO.

I wish there were some home videos that were leaked or posted on social media. I think those would be a better judge of his demeanor and behavior with Cooper.

I 100% agree with your comments. That's why I don't take my opinions very seriously. But I have looked at several other photos. For some people who look at the mug shot they have no sympathy and judge his appearance.

I have the opposite reaction. I actually feel sympathetic. A friend of mine works with sociopaths and points out that not all of them do criminal things, and functioning in life can be hard for someone who is a sociopath by not driven by ambition. Sociopaths can get depressed as well. I don't think he did this out of some sadistic glee. I think he did it out of desperation and depression. IMVHBO

 

[SStarr33]

It's not a selfie, you can see the reflection of his wife taking the picture in the lamp behind him. Just something my obsessive observational skills noticed the first three seconds I looked at the picture. I told you all I have extreme detail abilities. LOL:blushing: You can even tell she's smiling in the reflection and see the camera phone she's holding up to take the picture turned sideways. (Stop Chewy!!! Stop it!!!)



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I see no camera in her hands,

 

[newone]

JMO but if it was papers or tupper-ware etc it went up front most likely. If he put one of the electronic devices that they found in the car, in there at lunch time, it went in the back.

just to let you know I wasn't on a total vendetta I was originally thinking innocently it was Tupperware (((I can relate to that being normal)))

 

[SStarr33]

it's a girly SUV they are small -- friend has one I 've been in it - not exactly a navigator if you know what I mean......

I wonder if it was her car and they switched due to the car seat being in it. Since I am waiting for all facts to come out, that would be a strike against him for me.

 

[Delta Dawn]

it's a girly SUV they are small -- friend has one I 've been in it - not exactly a navigator if you know what I mean......

The size of the car made me think it was a 'girly' car, too and now I'm wondering if this is his car or her car. If the rumors are true and she was out of town for the day, he could have used hers with that car seat already in place. Heck, that could even be part of the excuse/reasoning...not his car and so he was already distracted. If he did plan this and is truly narcissistic, of course he wouldn't want to 'ruin' his own vehicle.

JMO, MOO.