GA - Twin brothers miss flight to Boston, found dead 24 hours later in Georgia mountains, 14 Mar 2025

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  • #161
This was posted earlier in the thread but I'll repost it as the GBI seems to add a few status updates in addition to the original release of info.
gbi.georgia.gov

GBI Investigates Deaths on Bell Mountain in Towns County

UPDATE - 5/21/2025:The GBI has concluded the investigation into the deaths of Qaadir Malik Lewis and Naazir Rahim Lewis. Based on the results of the medical examiner’s autopsy and other investigative findings, their deaths have been ruled suicide-suicide. GBI agents have met with the Lewis...
gbi.georgia.gov gbi.georgia.gov
 
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jillolantern said:
Can someone explain how taking pictures of a crime is an obstruction of justice? Not condoning it, just don't follow the logic.
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its super unethical and disrespectful, but more importantly, it effectively shares crime scene info that law enforcement wouldn't otherwise share with the public. i.e. if this case turned out to be a homicide, and a person shows up saying "its me, i did it, i can prove it because i positioned the bodies a certain way" this isnt compelling 'guilt knowledge' anymore because the body positioning was public knowledge via the photo. a lawyer could also argue now that the confession was made up by his client based on the photo and should be thrown out
 
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Channel 2′s Tyisha Fernandes went to Kerlin’s home in Hiawassee and knocked on his door.

Kerlin did not come to the door, but Fernandes saw him and asked if wanted to share his story.

“I just want to give you a chance to explain your side,” told him.

www.wsbtv.com

North GA volunteer firefighter arrested for sharing photos of twins’ death scene on social media

Qaadir Malik Lewis and Naazir Rahim Lewis were found dead from gunshot wounds. Their deaths were initially ruled a murder-suicide.
www.wsbtv.com www.wsbtv.com

Video at link.
 
  • #169
minazoe said:
this whole situation stinks and the idea that this was a murder suicide is ludicrous to me..why would they commit suicide? it's ridiculous. no way! someone lured them up there or something was set up there that went sideways...these kids don't know Bell Mountain...they don't hang out there..they were going out of town. so strange. mOO
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I know this sounds/is far fetched, but could there be a possibility that LE is claiming that they believe it was a murder-suicide in order to lure the killer into a false sense of security?
 
  • #170
Can I ask you all, rationally: if you were on a police force covering this case. Would you have released a statement mentioning murder-suicide as a probability if you didn’t have the weapon? … Occam’s Razor, guys. Simplest answer … the family is in agony and is not emotionally ready. There is no risk to the public at large. Why rush final results? Let the loved ones adjust. Compassion rules.
 
  • #171
Seattle1 said:
Phones can disappear in a suicide if disposed/tossed ahead of the deed. I'm recalling a similar case in another 'sundown town' where a grad student drove 30 miles from ISU, parked his vehicle in the woods near the YMCA, and the victim's body recovered from a nearby canal. His death also ruled a suicide and the family disputed this ruling for similar reasons cited here.
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Yes, I do see the similarities between the cases although the families appear different. But the same big question for both cases remains: what drove the kids to these towns? In both cases?
 
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One more question. Judging by the twins’ first and middle names, they were of Islamic faith.

Now, they themselves might have not been devout Muslims, but their families could have been.

Why it matters: it is Ramadan, and if they were minimally religious, definitely it is not the time to commit murder/suicide.

They were found soon, but could have been found over 72 hours. Strange for kids of Muslim families.

Now, if someone didn’t know it might have been important for the families, that’s different.

I might be assuming, but some things don’t fit.
 
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Charlot123 said:
One more question. Judging by the twins’ first and middle names, they were of Islamic faith.

Now, they themselves might have not been devout Muslims, but their families could have been.

Why it matters: it is Ramadan, and if they were minimally religious, definitely it is not the time to commit murder/suicide.

They were found soon, but could have been found over 72 hours. Strange for kids of Muslim families.

Now, if someone didn’t know it might have been important for the families, that’s different.

I might be assuming, but some things don’t fit.
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I wouldn't make any guesses about religious affiliation due to having Arabic names. Famous example: The singer Aaliyah was Catholic, went to Catholic school, funeral held in a Catholic church. Omar is an Arabic name that's popular in many Spanish-speaking countries.
 
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caradana said:
Can I ask you all, rationally: if you were on a police force covering this case. Would you have released a statement mentioning murder-suicide as a probability if you didn’t have the weapon? … Occam’s Razor, guys. Simplest answer … the family is in agony and is not emotionally ready. There is no risk to the public at large. Why rush final results? Let the loved ones adjust. Compassion rules.
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BBM. IMO, it depends upon how "clean" your police force is. Judging from what I've read about this region and its past, I don't know enough about this particular police force to assume they're qualified to determine the way these deaths occurred.

news.yale.edu

Black men are the most frequent victims of killings by off-duty officers

A new study assessed off-duty police-perpetrated violence, finding it often affected officers’ own social networks and Black men were the most frequent victims.
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  • #175
rleigh123 said:
Sister saw them 11pm Thurs.
They were to catch flight 7am Fri.
Stepmom says they were last seen 3am Sat.
Investigator says no, last seen 11pm Fri.


Either way, it's clear they were seen long after they were supposed to be on the flight. Yet the news stories are presenting it as if everyone thought they made their flight and that no one knows why they didn't.


IMO
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caribou_birdie said:
I do believe this was suicide. Why would you leave home during the night to go to a place you had never been when you had a plane to catch at 7am.

The car was at the location. Police would not have released a statement suggesting murder-suicide if the car showed any evidence of foul play.

My personal theory, I don't think they were going to meet friends and I don't think the friend in Boston were ever notified they were coming. I think they bought the tickets with this exact plan in mind, to give them time to decompose without anyone being worried. I believe they were hoping they wouldn't be found for a while and once they were found, the cause of death would be indeterminate. Some might say, but why buy the tickets. Why not? If they're going to commit suicide, they don't need the money anymore. And purchasing the tickets would make everyone think, well it can't be suicide because they were supposed to be going to Boston.

People who commit suicide often do things out of character (and weird) in the days before their suicide because they think death, rather than suicide, will be easier for their family to handle.

We have to remember that a lot of the questions we still want answers to, the police already have the answers to.
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I was only commenting on the timeline. It doesn't make sense considering other information they're giving.


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  • #176
Knox said:
So the step mom last saw them Friday at 11 PM, and didn’t know about the trip/flight to Boston, but the rest of the family did? Confusing.

The group who has been speaking out hasn’t mentioned any real details, but maybe they were advised not too. But that puts a different spin on things, when you know others in the family saw them, but not the circumstances.
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This is what's confusing me, too. But the way it's worded says that stepmom says when they were last seen - it doesn't say she's the one who saw them. So who saw them at Fri 11pm? (And what is that whole thing about the investigator converting the time wrong?) I haven't seen anything about this in any other article.


So who saw them last, and why is everyone saying they thought they were on the flight when they were seen hours after takeoff?


From post # 70, here is a quote from a Facebook article written by Cody Alcorn. I don't have Facebook access but the article is quoted in the post:

"Last time they were actually seen? Stepmom originally said Saturday at 3 a.m. Investigator said 3 a.m. as well, then investigator changed it to Friday 11 p.m; he stated that he converted the time wrong."

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  • #177
I'm glad to see the media is picking up on this more, hopefully this means there will be concrete answers.

Very curious to hear the firefighter's side as to why he would take and distribute photos of what had to be a devastating crime scene.
 
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CityKid said:
BBM. IMO, it depends upon how "clean" your police force is. Judging from what I've read about this region and its past, I don't know enough about this particular police force to assume they're qualified to determine the way these deaths occurred.

news.yale.edu

Black men are the most frequent victims of killings by off-duty officers

A new study assessed off-duty police-perpetrated violence, finding it often affected officers’ own social networks and Black men were the most frequent victims.
news.yale.edu news.yale.edu
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The GBI is more than qualified, which is why they were called in by TCSO to investigate. They have far more resources than local LE.

In my experience with other cases being investigated by the GBI. The agency doesn’t release much information. Media gets a lot of SOP responses to inquiries, until the case is resolved.
 
  • #179
Knox said:
The GBI is more than qualified, which is why they were called in by TCSO to investigate. They have far more resources than local LE.

In my experience with other cases being investigated by the GBI. The agency doesn’t release much information. Media gets a lot of SOP responses to inquiries, until the case is resolved.
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Thank you. Having a larger force investigating makes me feel like this will be more thoroughly investigated.
 
  • #180
CityKid said:
BBM. IMO, it depends upon how "clean" your police force is. Judging from what I've read about this region and its past, I don't know enough about this particular police force to assume they're qualified to determine the way these deaths occurred.

news.yale.edu

Black men are the most frequent victims of killings by off-duty officers

A new study assessed off-duty police-perpetrated violence, finding it often affected officers’ own social networks and Black men were the most frequent victims.
news.yale.edu news.yale.edu
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As mentioned above, the GBI (state investigative force) is working on this.

I do wonder if the scene was compromised ahead of time because of the volunteer firefighter who took photos and distributed them. Was anything else done? Taken? Altered?

I am also wondering where exactly they were found. The parking lot? The overlook area? On a path/trail? In a wooded area that's off trail?
 
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