GA - Twin brothers miss flight to Boston, found dead 24 hours later in Georgia mountains, 14 Mar 2025

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ttjo said:
  • Reposting this part of the article just to make it easier.

  • What time does the park close?
The park is open from approximately 8:00 am until end of daylight.

I understand there is a gate to prevent vehicular entrance outside of operating hours. Could you describe the gate and how it works? Does someone physically lock/unlock it, or is it automatic?

The gate is manually operated and inhibits vehicular traffic. The property could be accessed by foot or perhaps offroad vehicles when the gate is closed.
Have there been any past incidents of a vehicle driving through outside of operating hours, and what would happen if someone managed to get past the gate outside of operating hours?

The area is unsupervised. There are no utilities or other facilities onsite so no one would be aware of access either when the area is opened or closed. The Towns County Sheriff’s Department maintains a patrol schedule of the county and the road accessing the park would be part of the routine.
I don’t know the schedule, if any, for patrol of the road. The county is rural with many back country areas and all roads may not be covered during a shift based upon other law enforcement obligations.

That last paragraph didnt sound very good.
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After re reading this answer, I can't see that it ever says anything about the gate even being capable of being locked! It says it's "manually operated and inhibits vehicular traffic." But does that mean it has a lock that requires a key or a code? Or does manually operated mean you just open it by hand? He said the road with the gate is included in the local police patrol route, but he didn't mention anything about who actually locks/unlocks the gate, if it does have a lock. He said he wasn't aware of their patrol schedule or if there even is a schedule, so it sounds like it couldn't be the patrol officer who would lock/unlock it, since that would happen at particular scheduled times. And he would know when... So I'm not sure the gate even has a lock yet!

Maybe anyone can just get out and open the gate whenever.
 
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sunspun said:
After re reading this answer, I can't see that it ever says anything about the gate even being capable of being locked! It says it's "manually operated and inhibits vehicular traffic." But does that mean it has a lock that requires a key or a code? Or does manually operated mean you just open it by hand? He said the road with the gate is included in the local police patrol route, but he didn't mention anything about who actually locks/unlocks the gate, if it does have a lock. He said he wasn't aware of their patrol schedule or if there even is a schedule, so it sounds like it couldn't be the patrol officer who would lock/unlock it, since that would happen at particular scheduled times. And he would know when... So I'm not sure the gate even has a lock yet!

Maybe anyone can just get out and open the gate whenever.
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What's the use of having a gate and closing it, if it doesn't lock and anyone can enter as they please?
This is semantics, the person answering the questions was the City Attorney. Perhaps he's being intentionally vague.

That said, I have no confidence the gate is closed and locked/unlocked on a regular daily basis, MOO. Without that specific knowledge, like every other detail in this case - it's impossible to offer an opinion on what have happened to Naazir & Quaadir. Too many missing factual details.

I noted in that last interview with the twins aunts, one of them stated they are also twins. This must be especially hard for them to understand.
 
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I have so many questions. This is one of the more perplexing cases and the more I read the more questions I have .
I wish that the police did an update with all the confirmed information.

Could the confusion about either both twins or one flying could come from them? Maybe they shared wrong information to the family members on purpose or there was misunderstanding.

If they missed fly how come they could have tickets un their wallet ? Was it airport printed in self check in or printed from mail ?
If its from the airport to my knowledge you can’t print it out if you are late for flight . It will direct you to desk/ security / gate immediately.

Do we know to who gun was registered? Where did they get it from? I know that you can take gun to check in luggage but why would they want to bring it to Boston? I find it a little odd.

Part of me thinks it might be murder suicide or accident suicide. IMO
 
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Fika said:
I have so many questions. This is one of the more perplexing cases and the more I read the more questions I have .
I wish that the police did an update with all the confirmed information.

Could the confusion about either both twins or one flying could come from them? Maybe they shared wrong information to the family members on purpose or there was misunderstanding.

If they missed fly how come they could have tickets un their wallet ? Was it airport printed in self check in or printed from mail ?
If its from the airport to my knowledge you can’t print it out if you are late for flight . It will direct you to desk/ security / gate immediately.

Do we know to who gun was registered? Where did they get it from? I know that you can take gun to check in luggage but why would they want to bring it to Boston? I find it a little odd.

Part of me thinks it might be murder suicide or accident suicide. IMO
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Pure guesswork here, as is just about everything about this case. Here goes anyway: Perhaps on Friday, when they did get to the airport too late to fly, they re-booked there at the airport and everything was printed out for them at that time? They stuck the new paperwork in their wallets and returned home.

If the gun was theirs and in their possession, then I can see a couple of ways they may have gotten it: they "borrowed" a gun from a family member, perhaps without the family member even knowing they were borrowing it.

In my mind, I am considering that they may have been more adventurous than their family realized - split family, father ill, and they were old enough to mostly take care of themselves. Many teenagers that age are out exploring in ways their families know little to nothing about. Combine that with the sick father and split family . . . I've considered: a. they were both enrolled in a mechanical field of study (according to their obituary). They probably liked cars, had theirs well tuned and felt they could handle anything vehicle wise. A gun, well, out adventuring you never know what you'll run into. I can see them deciding they wanted a gun.

They were in the Atlanta area. If they wanted a gun, they could have gotten one - on the street somewhere or from an individual. The gun may not be traceable.

I can't understand this as a murder-suicide. I am beginning to see a possibility for an accident-suicide. The first rule for guns is never put your hand on the trigger until you're ready to shoot. Just one or two videos at YouTube University and you'd know that. Also, the importance of having a gun holstered so nothing can get to the trigger. However, if they were out adventuring and had the gun out, "just in case" . . .

But, of course, I didn't know these young men, so pure imaginative guesswork as I try to wrap my head around this mystery.
 
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CuriousCricket said:
Pure guesswork here, as is just about everything about this case. Here goes anyway: Perhaps on Friday, when they did get to the airport too late to fly, they re-booked there at the airport and everything was printed out for them at that time? They stuck the new paperwork in their wallets and returned home.

If the gun was theirs and in their possession, then I can see a couple of ways they may have gotten it: they "borrowed" a gun from a family member, perhaps without the family member even knowing they were borrowing it.

In my mind, I am considering that they may have been more adventurous than their family realized - split family, father ill, and they were old enough to mostly take care of themselves. Many teenagers that age are out exploring in ways their families know little to nothing about. Combine that with the sick father and split family . . . I've considered: a. they were both enrolled in a mechanical field of study (according to their obituary). They probably liked cars, had theirs well tuned and felt they could handle anything vehicle wise. A gun, well, out adventuring you never know what you'll run into. I can see them deciding they wanted a gun.

They were in the Atlanta area. If they wanted a gun, they could have gotten one - on the street somewhere or from an individual. The gun may not be traceable.

I can't understand this as a murder-suicide. I am beginning to see a possibility for an accident-suicide. The first rule for guns is never put your hand on the trigger until you're ready to shoot. Just one or two videos at YouTube University and you'd know that. Also, the importance of having a gun holstered so nothing can get to the trigger. However, if they were out adventuring and had the gun out, "just in case" . . .

But, of course, I didn't know these young men, so pure imaginative guesswork as I try to wrap my head around this mystery.
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Right I didn’t think about the tickets in the wallet to be rebooked tickets .

I could see it as an accident followed by suicide. Murder suicide much less .

I wish we knew a bit more details from the police on how was the gun found , gun powder residue, where were they shot exactly etc .
 
  • #607
sunspun said:
After re reading this answer, I can't see that it ever says anything about the gate even being capable of being locked! It says it's "manually operated and inhibits vehicular traffic." But does that mean it has a lock that requires a key or a code? Or does manually operated mean you just open it by hand? He said the road with the gate is included in the local police patrol route, but he didn't mention anything about who actually locks/unlocks the gate, if it does have a lock. He said he wasn't aware of their patrol schedule or if there even is a schedule, so it sounds like it couldn't be the patrol officer who would lock/unlock it, since that would happen at particular scheduled times. And he would know when... So I'm not sure the gate even has a lock yet!

Maybe anyone can just get out and open the gate whenever.
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I think the usage of the word "manual" in this case is simple. It means that it's not electronic or remote. A person has to physically go there and manually, by hand with a key or a punch code, unlock the gate and lock it back. Where he says "inhibits vehicular traffic" he means that the gate only keeps motor vehicles out but would not keep out pedestrians.
 
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maybe the gate/gates are on a timer?
 
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Re: the gates.

In an earlier post, I posted screen shots from a video a woman posted on Youtube a couple of years ago when driving up the mountain. There are two places that I saw gates -- one was partway up the road going up Bell Mountain, the other place was at the far end of the first parking lot where a road continues further up to the second/top parking lot.

To me, they just look like the regular swing gates that someone would need to manually open or close. I do wonder who actually checks the lots at dusk & then shuts the gate or gates. It's a remote area in general & driving out to the location, up to the top to check for cars, then coming back down to shut the gates would probably take some time. And, even if closed every day, are they actually locked with a chain? Or are they just swung shut & it's assumed that it would keep most people out? Imo.

Screen captures here:
vls12345

Post in thread 'GA - Twin brothers miss flight to Boston, found dead 24 hours later in Georgia mountains, 14 Mar 2025'

Video to see the drive to the top of Bell Mountain. Not only is it steep & winding, most of it is wide enough for one car only so when meeting someone coming up/down, one driver has to scoot as much to the side as possible & wait.


Gates seen at minute 6:27 (note this is one car width, there is a slight pull-off area to the left of this screen shot but only a couple of cars could park there to wait for the gate to open, imo) --
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First parking area at minute 8:53 --

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Road leading to the second parking area is at minute 9:35. It does look like...
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vls12345 said:
Video to see the drive to the top of Bell Mountain. Not only is it steep & winding, most of it is wide enough for one car only so when meeting someone coming up/down, one driver has to scoot as much to the side as possible & wait.


Gates seen at minute 6:27 (note this is one car width, there is a slight pull-off area to the left of this screen shot but only a couple of cars could park there to wait for the gate to open, imo) --
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First parking area at minute 8:53 --

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Road leading to the second parking area is at minute 9:35. It does look like there is a second set of gates there (between parking lot one & parking lot two).

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Entering parking lot two at minute 10:22 --

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You can see the observation area here. I believe that it was said someone who was hiking/from the observation area found Q & N.
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Thank you for posting, it's a standard triangular gate designed for use as a vehicle barrier. Obviously you can walk around it on foot.

 
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Soulmagent said:
I have always got the feeling death was not their choice . No reason really just feel that way.
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You are not alone with your thoughts.
 
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Knox said:
Thank you for posting, it's a standard triangular gate designed for use as a vehicle barrier. Obviously you can walk around it on foot.
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My guess is that the "official" hours are posted, not enforced, and that the gates are rarely closed or locked. Perhaps only during the most severe weather when risking the lives of emergency personnel to rescue people who are up there just for the ---- of it is just asking too much. Most of the time it's simply there, open to the public and probably lightly used.
 
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CuriousCricket said:
My guess is that the "official" hours are posted, not enforced, and that the gates are rarely closed or locked. Perhaps only during the most severe weather when risking the lives of emergency personnel to rescue people who are up there just for the ---- of it is just asking too much. Most of the time it's simply there, open to the public and probably lightly used.
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Agree, in the screencap in post #610 - looks like the posts have shifted over time and it's misaligned. Opening/closing is probably a pain in the booty, MOO.
 
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Did you guys know some of Stranger Things was filmed in Jackson county ? Some places were shot from Bell mountain. I thought it was interesting.
Stranger Things/Filming Locations
Wiki has other information about the filming.
 
  • #616
I made the drive from Atlanta to Asheville today and as I passed the general area where the turn off towards Bell Mountain is, I couldn't help but think for the 100th time that there is no way they were there by accident...either of their own volition or someone else's, I have no idea, but I know they just didn't happen to end up there randomly.

Additionally, there are flags flying that would not be welcoming ones to these young men.....neither the area or the vibe make sense here.
 
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ttjo said:
Imagine doing that drive at night, when it pitch black outside and what looks like a cliff (to me) on one side, No thank you,
I just cant imagine those boys would go up there alone, 2 young men , inexperienced drivers and an unreliable car, Thats a tough sell.
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I’ve lived in these mountains for 30 years and been to Bell Mountain several times and the drive up there and back down still gives me anxiety!
 
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statt#1 said:
I've been to Helen Georgia. I've also stayed at Top of Georgia Airstream Park just north of there on 75, the Unicoi Turnpike. From Top of Georgia Airstream park north is a windy, lonely, mountain road. I towed our trailer up through there. There's nothing up through there for a couple miles, literally, mountains, trees, and a windy road. I don't know if this is the route taken by whoever, but you go on up there and pass Towns County High School, then a bit further, and on the right is Shake Rag Road.

There ain't a thing back Shake Rag Road but some residential homes, then that leads up to Bell Mountain, another remote, windy road. Every road off of Shake Rag is a dead end, most of 'em are driveways. You'd have to A. know where you were going, and B. either been there before or have it mapped on gps to find your way to the top of Bell Mt.

There's a gas station at the corner of Shake Rag and 75, and that has a camera on the corner of the building, as per google street view, whether said camera was/is there and/or working is anybody's guess.

These two young men were either on a road trip for fun, and ran in to trouble, were led up there by somebody else who had evil intent, or indeed, one or both of 'em had a plan to do self harm and wanted it to be in a remote place.
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My point exactly, you don’t just “happen upon” Bell Mountain. It’s so remote you have to know where you are going. Especially at night!
 
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MnkeyBznes said:
I’ve lived in these mountains for 30 years and been to Bell Mountain several times and the drive up there and back down still gives me anxiety!
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Especially if you know the park is closed and if you went off-road (accident), no one will likely be around to help.
From the very little I know of them, they don't sound like daredevils, they seem family oriented, helping with the littles, taking them to school etc.
 
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