Gas Cans discovered by George Key date - June 24, 2008 ***REVISITED ***

[Oakley]

It always helps when we can review the transcripts again imo - State depo

JA and GA are discussing State Exhibit 3 which is a photograph of a gas can. Photo taken on August 1, 2008.

Q=JA / A=GA / Me=me and BBM

A It looks like a gas can.
Q Yours?
A Yes - a good part of 20 years old.
Q Okay, Now, we're going to get to this incident later, but was that one of the gas cans that was involved in the incident on the 24th with Casey taking the gas cans?
Was that one of them?

A There was a gas can removed from my shed. Yes.

Q Was it a cylindrical metal one like that?
A Uh-huh.
Ms. Burdick inserts herself here and reminds GA to say yes or no.
A Yes. I mean, this is the gas can. It looks -- like the one that was taken from my shed.
Q Now that gas can appears to have a piece of duct tape on it. Do you recognize that?

A I didn't put the duct tape on there. I recognize this can, but I didn't put that duct tape on there. I wouldn't do a sloppy job like that.
Q Have you ever seen that piece of duct tape on that can before?
A Not this particular size, no. No, sir.
Q Have you seen that duct tape in a different size?

A I put the duct tape on there one time myself because the plastic cap that was on there had broken off. But when I did it, it was very methodical when I put it on there because it was very neat.

I didn't do that there . . . It's too big. I wouldn't have done that.

Me - GA goes on to say that he is uncertain if the duct tape on the can is from his house.

Q When you got this can from Casey on the 24th, did it have duct tape on it?
A Did not.
Q Did it have duct tape on it the last time you saw it before she took it?
A As far as I can remember, yes.
Q So it had duct tape and then when she brought it back, it didn't?
A Yes
Q So how did the duct tape get on it, do you know?
A Your guess is as good as mine.
Q What did you do with it after ...
A Put it back in the shed -- where it was taken from

Q Did you use that gas can between the 24th and the 1st?
A No, I did not. I went out and bought new cans.
Q Why did you do that?
A Because I needed to get gas for the lawnmower and stuff that I had and I didn't have these in my possession.
Q Oh so did you get gas on the 24th, you're saying or bought the gas cans on the 24th?
A I think a day or two after that, I went to -- and purchased a couple new gas cans.
Q Okay Casey brought the gas cans back on the 24th and you put them in the shed. Why did you go and buy new ones if those were in the shed?
A Because I purchased them just prior to that. When they were gone --I didn't see my shed was broken into until the 24th.
Q Right
A I had purchased cans prior to that, two plastic cans I still have in my possession, Jeff.
Q Okay. But why did you buy them if you did not yet know that these were missing?
A Okay. I'm going to be very, very blunt with you. Don't try to confuse me.
Q I'm not trying to.
A Number one, I --number one is, I did not put this tape on this can, number one; okay?
Number two is, when I found out that my shed had been broken into on the -- when I reported it on the 24th, okay, it's then these -- I did I did not see Casey with these cans. The report was made after that, if I'm not mistaken.

Q Okay. I thought you said a few moments ago that this did appear to be one of the cans that she returned to you on the 24th.
A I made the report on the 24th.
Q Right
A I made the report of the theft on the 24th, okay?
Q And that's the day she returned the cans to you?
A Right. And it was after that is when I went out and purchased a couple other cans because, if I'm not mistaken, the sheriff's department came, like you said, on August 1st and removed these from my house, so I had to get new cans again. So your date and my date might be a little bit off but, yes. And -- yes.

Me - I stopped at line 7 on page 166 which is also pdf. 166. BBM.

Me - If anybody can make sense of the above conversation, more power to you. :crazy:

This does seem like a "Who's on first?" fiasco. I read it through a few times and here is where I think George got tangled up:

Q Did you use that gas can between the 24th and the 1st?

I think he is anxiously and angrily attempting to distance himself from having used or put gas in that (the original) gas can at the time in question. :cow:

 

[Oakley]

Here is GA talking to Scott B. of the FBI about gas can day which was June 24, 2008. They begin talking about the gas cans on pdf. pg. 38. George has his story down now ~ it's very, very long but if anyone wants to read it ~ it's especially good to read if you're an insomniac :crazy: you'll be asleep in no time.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20224461/detail.html

Night all.

George provides too many details for this to be believable to me. Why is it the Anthony's can recall minutiae facts about some things yet can't seem to recall major things (like, where you last left your two year old!) This is just not believable to me. My radar went up immediately when George on Greta recounted how he saw Caylee and Casey last on July 16 "just a normal day" and went into detail about the exact time to the minute, what was on TV, what they were wearing etc. And all this over one month later. It was 31 days before they even knew (or claimed to know) Caylee was gone. Men in particular just don't notice, especially weeks after the fact, what people had been wearing, from my experience. I think what he is doing here in this interview is what all the Anthony's do best - obfuscating. :cow:

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

I feel like this was premeditated by Casey because of the tight time line for Caylee's death. She was killed on the 16th, after leaving the house for "work"(I don't know if George really saw them or not, I am enjoying everyone's discussion on that point: I could see it going either way.) and before arriving at Tony's/Blockbuster. Even if Cindy had choked her the previous night...that is not a "blind rage" IMHO. She had time to calm down.

Now, if Cindy choked Casey and Casey ran into her room with Caylee and shut the door and killed Caylee right then(that would be the night of the 15th/morning of the 16th), then it might be said she killed Caylee in a rage. If that happened, then Caylee was dead the next morning. Maybe Casey carried Caylee out "asleep" and later when George and Cindy were putting it all together they realized this and came up with the lies that Casey was going to work or to "bond" with Caylee. RP states to LE that Cindy thought Casey was taking Caylee away for a while to "punish her." Casey packed stuff for herself to take on this trip but didn't bother to pack for Caylee. That means Cindy was there to see nothing was being packed for Caylee(how much of a rage could Casey have been in to be packing?)and asked about it, to which Casey replies that "Zanny" will buy or have clothes for Caylee.

When George saw Casey in the garage on the 24th, he was asking about Caylee and when they would both be "back."


In a police report filed by George Anthony on June 24, he said two gas cans were stolen from a shed on the side of their house, but Tuesday night he admitted to Fox News that he found out his daughter stole them on the same day.
(skip)
Casey said, “I’m just stoppin in to get some clothes, I’ve gotta go back to work.” He asked, “Where’s Caylee?” And she just stated, “With Zanny.” He asked “When you guys comin’ back home?” She said, “We’ll either be home late tonight or early the next day.” So then George says, “Okay, have you been talking to mom” and she said, “I talk to mom every day” and he said, “I know but did you talk to mom today?” And he said she sort of hesitated and said, “Yeah” and then she said, “Oh, by the way it’s a shame what happened in the shed.” And Cindy interjects, “Yeah, cause I had called her and talked to her about it.”

Cindy’s July 3rd MySpace(Cindy's response to LE when questioned about her entry)
CA: Casey. Yeah, why can't I spend time with you? I would have gone to Jacksonville. I would have gone wherever. I, you know, If I would have been off when she would have been in Tampa. I would have gone there. But I had to work. So this week I was off and I felt like I didn't have my girls.
CA: I felt that Casey had betrayed me by not confiding in me where she was and why she had to tell me she was at Universal that day. Again, that was the day I was upset, that I drove there and she wasn't there and I found out later that she was supposed to be in Jacksonville.

Because in my mind it was because she was working and not being able to spend time with her. So that's my perspective. And this is what she said, she wanted to have time to re-bond with Caylee during that week that she was not going to be working and she'd actually have those days to spend with her. But I was kind of jealous of Casey, too, because I figured the three of us could do something together.

8/07/08
Tony Lazzaro reported that he recalled visiting the Anthony’s address with Casey Anthony on June 23rd. He also reported that they took the gas cans on that date and that he recalled seeing the neighbor at the time.

OCSO Supplemental Report
Evidence obtained from the White 1998 Pontiac Sunfire along with evidence found with the body suggests that the body of Caylee Anthony was in the trunk of the White 1998 Pontiac for a period of time but removed prior to June 27th, 2008. Evidence on the body suggests that the child’s death was not accidental but an intentional act. - Det. Corporal Yuri Melich


LE: What about her clothes for her trip she took on the 16th, how much, you said initially about that night that she didn’t take anything except a regular diaper bag and baby clothes...
CA: That I saw, again George and I are at work I don’t know, she had access to the house during the day. She could have come in at any point and gone into the house. (Here Cindy is trying to make it seem like she was not in on the packing, she tries to say her and George were at work so they don't know but LE catches her. She told him she had asked Casey about what she was packing because she wasn't packing much for Caylee. I think Casey was packing right in front of Cindy knowing she was going to kill Caylee.)
(skip)
LE: Didn’t you tell me you asked her about baby clothes and she told you she bought all new clothes?
CA: Yes for Caylee.
LE: Right
CA: No, no, no I said Zanny keeps clothes for Caylee at the babysitter’s but then she said on the weekend that they did shopping and Zanny took them shopping and bought more clothes.
LE: Because that was one of the things you were worried about because you asked her...why don’t you take her clothes and she said we don’t need the clothes because we bought her all new clothes because I remember you told me that, that night.
CA: Right on the 21st they bought clothes but she told me because I started asking her about Caylee’s clothes here and she said, “Mom, Zanny always has extra outfits and clothes, shoes and things at her house.
(skip)

Statement To LE
August 4, 2008
George Anthony
LE: ...these two days out but um she, so she actually told you on the 16th, I plan on staying at Zanny’s on a late event?
GA: Yes, most definitely.
LE: Mom starts calling, apparently mom says that she had some form of a uh, big deal on at, at work, a convention. So they were staying at the uh, Hard Rock Hotel.
GA: That’s what she told us.
LE: Yeah
Ga: I mean that’s what my wife reiterated to me.
LE: You didn’t have a conversation, just what you wife...
GA: Right
LE: ...told you, okay. And then there was, they had to move that to Busch Gardens Tampa area.
GA: Yes
LE: And that’s where Zanny got in the accident.
(Here is where George tries to cover for the fact that Casey had told them the night of the 15th, that she was going away with Caylee. He tries to make it sound like he only heard through Cindy. That is why George tells the story that it was a "normal day," Casey taking Caylee away for a vacation/work/bonding is not a "normal day." He purposely avoided, and so did Cindy talking about the night of the 15th and what they knew. They knew that bad mother, lying, thief Casey was taking Caylee away from them. And they let her.)

Statement to LE
Lee Anthony
7/29/08
LA: She hadn’t talked to Caylee. She, and while, while she’s had communication with Casey she’s not had any communication with Caylee and my moth...my mother was extremely concerned because of the nature of the car, we were notified about the car, and that my sister even claimed that she was out of, out of the city when she wasn’t. That my mother was saying, “okay, if you weren’t where you were how do I know where Caylee is where you say that she’s been?

Interview with LE
August 21st, 2008
Rick Plesea
RP: And she, so when Casey first took Caylee away Cindy told my mom she just thought Casey took Caylee to punish her, or you know just being uhm, you know threatening her all the time and, and uh, but Cindy didn’t think a whole lot about you know that Caylee’s well being was, was ever going to be in jeopardy. She just thought Casey took her. First Casey I guess made up a story that she was on vacation in Tampa. Well first she said she was working in Tampa. And then she said she was on vacation...
(skip)
RP: ...as it came out um, Casey never, never came back. Well, I guess she did come back to the house a few times but they still never ever suspected anything happened.
LE: They just thought she was gone out of spite and that’s it?
RP: Well, yeah that, that Casey was just holding her off and, and said that oh, she’s with uh, the babysitter or some, something you know and, and she was always doing something that just wasn’t uhm, convenient for her to talk to Cindy. You know let Caylee talk to Cindy.

...js...

 

[Oakley]

Hello WS

I feel like this was premeditated by Casey because of the tight time line for Caylee's death. She was killed on the 16th, after leaving the house for "work"(I don't know if George really saw them or not, I am enjoying everyone's discussion on that point: I could see it going either way.) and before arriving at Tony's/Blockbuster. Even if Cindy had choked her the previous night...that is not a "blind rage" IMHO. She had time to calm down.

Now, if Cindy choked Casey and Casey ran into her room with Caylee and shut the door and killed Caylee right then(that would be the night of the 15th/morning of the 16th), then it might be said she killed Caylee in a rage. If that happened, then Caylee was dead the next morning. Maybe Casey carried Caylee out "asleep" and later when George and Cindy were putting it all together they realized this and came up with the lies that Casey was going to work or to "bond" with Caylee. RP states to LE that Cindy thought Casey was taking Caylee away for a while to "punish her." Casey packed stuff for herself to take on this trip but didn't bother to pack for Caylee. That means Cindy was there to see nothing was being packed for Caylee(how much of a rage could Casey have been in to be packing?)and asked about it, to which Casey replies that "Zanny" will buy or have clothes for Caylee.

When George saw Casey in the garage on the 24th, he was asking about Caylee and when they would both be "back."


In a police report filed by George Anthony on June 24, he said two gas cans were stolen from a shed on the side of their house, but Tuesday night he admitted to Fox News that he found out his daughter stole them on the same day.
(skip)
Casey said, “I’m just stoppin in to get some clothes, I’ve gotta go back to work.” He asked, “Where’s Caylee?” And she just stated, “With Zanny.” He asked “When you guys comin’ back home?” She said, “We’ll either be home late tonight or early the next day.” So then George says, “Okay, have you been talking to mom” and she said, “I talk to mom every day” and he said, “I know but did you talk to mom today?” And he said she sort of hesitated and said, “Yeah” and then she said, “Oh, by the way it’s a shame what happened in the shed.” And Cindy interjects, “Yeah, cause I had called her and talked to her about it.”

Cindy’s July 3rd MySpace(Cindy's response to LE when questioned about her entry)
CA: Casey. Yeah, why can't I spend time with you? I would have gone to Jacksonville. I would have gone wherever. I, you know, If I would have been off when she would have been in Tampa. I would have gone there. But I had to work. So this week I was off and I felt like I didn't have my girls.
CA: I felt that Casey had betrayed me by not confiding in me where she was and why she had to tell me she was at Universal that day. Again, that was the day I was upset, that I drove there and she wasn't there and I found out later that she was supposed to be in Jacksonville.

Because in my mind it was because she was working and not being able to spend time with her. So that's my perspective. And this is what she said, she wanted to have time to re-bond with Caylee during that week that she was not going to be working and she'd actually have those days to spend with her. But I was kind of jealous of Casey, too, because I figured the three of us could do something together.

8/07/08
Tony Lazzaro reported that he recalled visiting the Anthony’s address with Casey Anthony on June 23rd. He also reported that they took the gas cans on that date and that he recalled seeing the neighbor at the time.

OCSO Supplemental Report
Evidence obtained from the White 1998 Pontiac Sunfire along with evidence found with the body suggests that the body of Caylee Anthony was in the trunk of the White 1998 Pontiac for a period of time but removed prior to June 27th, 2008. Evidence on the body suggests that the child’s death was not accidental but an intentional act. - Det. Corporal Yuri Melich


LE: What about her clothes for her trip she took on the 16th, how much, you said initially about that night that she didn’t take anything except a regular diaper bag and baby clothes...
CA: That I saw, again George and I are at work I don’t know, she had access to the house during the day. She could have come in at any point and gone into the house. (Here Cindy is trying to make it seem like she was not in on the packing, she tries to say her and George were at work so they don't know but LE catches her. She told him she had asked Casey about what she was packing because she wasn't packing much for Caylee. I think Casey was packing right in front of Cindy knowing she was going to kill Caylee.)
(skip)
LE: Didn’t you tell me you asked her about baby clothes and she told you she bought all new clothes?
CA: Yes for Caylee.
LE: Right
CA: No, no, no I said Zanny keeps clothes for Caylee at the babysitter’s but then she said on the weekend that they did shopping and Zanny took them shopping and bought more clothes.
LE: Because that was one of the things you were worried about because you asked her...why don’t you take her clothes and she said we don’t need the clothes because we bought her all new clothes because I remember you told me that, that night.
CA: Right on the 21st they bought clothes but she told me because I started asking her about Caylee’s clothes here and she said, “Mom, Zanny always has extra outfits and clothes, shoes and things at her house.
(skip)

Statement To LE
August 4, 2008
George Anthony
LE: ...these two days out but um she, so she actually told you on the 16th, I plan on staying at Zanny’s on a late event?
GA: Yes, most definitely.
LE: Mom starts calling, apparently mom says that she had some form of a uh, big deal on at, at work, a convention. So they were staying at the uh, Hard Rock Hotel.
GA: That’s what she told us.
LE: Yeah
Ga: I mean that’s what my wife reiterated to me.
LE: You didn’t have a conversation, just what you wife...
GA: Right
LE: ...told you, okay. And then there was, they had to move that to Busch Gardens Tampa area.
GA: Yes
LE: And that’s where Zanny got in the accident.

Statement to LE
Lee Anthony
7/29/08
LA: She hadn’t talked to Caylee. She, and while, while she’s had communication with Casey she’s not had any communication with Caylee and my moth...my mother was extremely concerned because of the nature of the car, we were notified about the car, and that my sister even claimed that she was out of, out of the city when she wasn’t. That my mother was saying, “okay, if you weren’t where you were how do I know where Caylee is where you say that she’s been?

Interview with LE
August 21st, 2008
Rick Plesea
RP: And she, so when Casey first took Caylee away Cindy told my mom she just thought Casey took Caylee to punish her, or you know just being uhm, you know threatening her all the time and, and uh, but Cindy didn’t think a whole lot about you know that Caylee’s well being was, was ever going to be in jeopardy. She just thought Casey took her. First Casey I guess made up a story that she was on vacation in Tampa. Well first she said she was working in Tampa. And then she said she was on vacation...
(skip)
RP: ...as it came out um, Casey never, never came back. Well, I guess she did come back to the house a few times but they still never ever suspected anything happened.
LE: They just thought she was gone out of spite and that’s it?
RP: Well, yeah that, that Casey was just holding her off and, and said that oh, she’s with uh, the babysitter or some, something you know and, and she was always doing something that just wasn’t uhm, convenient for her to talk to Cindy. You know let Caylee talk to Cindy.

...js...

BBM Chiquita, Has the TOD been established definitively? Last time Caylee was documented as having been seen was on July 15 at the nursing home. Just curious. TIA.

ETA: Sorry - should have continued reading your post before I posted:blushing:

 

[Chiquita71]

BBM Chiquita, Has the TOD been established definitively? Last time Caylee was documented as having been seen was on July 15 at the nursing home. Just curious. TIA.

ETA: Sorry - should have continued reading your post before I posted:blushing:

Quote Respect Oakley :cool2:

No worries! I don't know if TOD is official. That is a good question. Something I should know before I go off giving theories! :loser: If anyone knows TIA.

...js...

 

[Woe.be.gone]

George provides too many details for this to be believable to me. Why is it the Anthony's can recall minutiae facts about some things yet can't seem to recall major things (like, where you last left your two year old!) This is just not believable to me. My radar went up immediately when George on Greta recounted how he saw Caylee and Casey last on July 16 "just a normal day" and went into detail about the exact time to the minute, what was on TV, what they were wearing etc. And all this over one month later. It was 31 days before they even knew (or claimed to know) Caylee was gone. Men in particular just don't notice, especially weeks after the fact, what people had been wearing, from my experience. I think what he is doing here in this interview is what all the Anthony's do best - obfuscating. :cow:

BBM ~ Yes. While listening to the interviews I began asking myself why LE/FBI don't ask direct questions. They must allow the rambling to go on and on as a tactic to gage the truth by seeing how far peeps back themselves into a corner.

Also GA talks about getting the tool from the trunk of the Pontiac as the reason he needed to open the trunk but later in another interview the tool story takes the back stage. One time he reports seeing inside the trunk and another time he only gets half way before KC practically throws the gas cans at him. I bet the inconsistencies tell the authorities a lot about the honesty of the interviewee.

obfuscate: to make obscure: confuse
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[Woe.be.gone]

I think what George was trying to say was, he reported the gas cans missing the 24th, then went and bought new ones. After he bought the new ones on the 24th, KC showed up, same day, with his old ones. According to George, the old cans were missing the usual duct tape when he retrieved them, and he did not replace the tape because he had new cans. According to George, new duct tape was placed on the old cans by someone other than him. My take is George wanted as much distance as possible from that duct tape.

ETA: Left out that George stated he bought a second new set of gas cans on or after Aug. 1, because LE had taken the ones he had - the old ones, and the ones bought on June 24.

Are you suggesting that there are three sets (six cans) of gas cans? The old ones, new ones bought on June 24 and more new ones bought after August 1? Are you saying that LE confiscated four gas cans? I think they took only the 'old' cans on August 1, the ones that had been in KC's car. GA was missing cans for only one day since KC and TL "stole" them on June 23 and broke the lock while doing so.

IMO if GA had bought new cans on June 24 he would have had no trouble remembering that - ie, discovered cans missing, called police, went out and bought new gas cans that very same day and later KC showed up with the old cans. Therefore, from June 24 on I had four cans in my possession. Simple, no?

GA doesn't say that - he doesn't know when he bought the new cans.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

After spending an inordinate amount of time on this issue, here were my conclusions:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5180546&postcount=531

Short version--gas can tape piece not directly connected to any of the other pieces.

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Q66 - piece of tape on gas can probably placed by George.

Do you have an idea why GA adamantly denies placing that piece of tape on the gas can? (too large, not neat, not methodically placed)

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Ive always thought that the gas can story, the car chase, and the report about the gas cans are related. Didnt casey once say "they dont even have the timeline right" or something to that effect. I believe george chased her but has the dates wrong. I believe george found those gas cans missing earlier than when he reported them and that something that he saw on the chase possibly prompted him to make the report to see if he could finally get some answers. Maybe he noticed duct tape missing too and was wondering what the world this girl was up to. when cindy found out and told casey about it she hightailed herself over to that house to return those gas cans to avoid being confronted again. but george was there just waiting. I think he got some answers that he possibly ended up putting together when he got that car and how he knew almost immediately that it was caylee and not casey. all imo.

BBM ~ I believe LE has narrowed down per their interview with TL that KC took the gas cans on June 23rd. If GA discovered they were missing it would have had to have been the evening of the 23rd versus the morning of the 24th. Of course, there is the police report so it's known when he reported them missing - thank God one fact exists in the whole big mess.

Adding ~ out of the horses mouth, GA tells the FBI (pdf pg 40, line 14) ~
"I wrote a brief statement down that the last time it was in my shed was on Sunday I believe was early in the afternoon. And then sometimes about 10:30 you know I went to go get my, start my lawn and stuff like that the lawn mower up, gas was gone. That's the reason why I called."
(typed as per transcript exactly)

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20224461/detail.html

 

[AZlawyer]

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 2009.10.09 Duct Tape Photos From Remains Released

Q66 - piece of tape on gas can probably placed by George.

Do you have an idea why GA adamantly denies placing that piece of tape on the gas can? (too large, not neat, not methodically placed)

I think he denies it because it is exactly the same "make and model" of rare duct tape found on the skull. From his state depo, I got the impression that he was suggesting LE put the duct tape on his gas can when they took it in August. I guess, in the World According to George, the logical conclusion is that LE duct-taped Caylee's head, too, sometime before decomposition (as noted by the coroner)? :waitasec:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I think he denies it because it is exactly the same "make and model" of rare duct tape found on the skull. From his state depo, I got the impression that he was suggesting LE put the duct tape on his gas can when they took it in August. I guess, in the World According to George, the logical conclusion is that LE duct-taped Caylee's head, too, sometime before decomposition (as noted by the coroner)? :waitasec:

What are the dates of the interviews again (I'll have to look as I get mixed up with when the interviews took place versus when they were released to the media)

But, if the interviews took place prior to Dec. 11, 2008, there wasn't any or should not have been any knowledge of duct tape. Did they only question about duct tape in the interviews after Dec. 11 and discuss only the gas cans prior to that date? :waitasec:

Also I hope LE took pictures of the evidence they collected as they collected it as I doubt they would duct tape (if for any reason they'd have to do so) a gas can collected for evidence without pointing out that they had place duct tape there. No way Jose - they would not imo.

 

[ynotdivein]

I think he denies it because it is exactly the same "make and model" of rare duct tape found on the skull. From his state depo, I got the impression that he was suggesting LE put the duct tape on his gas can when they took it in August. I guess, in the World According to George, the logical conclusion is that LE duct-taped Caylee's head, too, sometime before decomposition (as noted by the coroner)? :waitasec:

What are the dates of the interviews again (I'll have to look as I get mixed up with when the interviews took place versus when they were released to the media)

But, if the interviews took place prior to Dec. 11, 2008, there wasn't any or should not have been any knowledge of duct tape. Did they only question about duct tape in the interviews after Dec. 11 and discuss only the gas cans prior to that date? :waitasec:

AZ, that was my initial assumption too... but then I had the same thought as WBG. He's spinning all this stuff in August 2008, isn't he? :waitasec:

If so, it becomes exponentially harder to explain his weird focus on the gas cant vent tape four months before they found Caylee's remains. :loser:

 

[nort]

Unless our George knew that Caylee would be found in duct tape...I think the interview was in 2009.

 

[treeseeker]

Are you suggesting that there are three sets (six cans) of gas cans? The old ones, new ones bought on June 24 and more new ones bought after August 1? Are you saying that LE confiscated four gas cans? I think they took only the 'old' cans on August 1, the ones that had been in KC's car. GA was missing cans for only one day since KC and TL "stole" them on June 23 and broke the lock while doing so.

IMO if GA had bought new cans on June 24 he would have had no trouble remembering that - ie, discovered cans missing, called police, went out and bought new gas cans that very same day and later KC showed up with the old cans. Therefore, from June 24 on I had four cans in my possession. Simple, no?

GA doesn't say that - he doesn't know when he bought the new cans.

Resp snipped from transcription, and bold by me:
(George) A Right. And it was after that is when I went out and purchased a couple other cans because, if I'm not mistaken, the sheriff's department came, like you said, on August 1st and removed these from my house, so I had to get new cans again. So your date and my date might be a little bit off but, yes. And -- yes.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Duh, State's Exhibit 3 is a photograph of the gas can taken on 8/1/08.

GA confirms that is the gas can taken from his shed the was involved in the incident on the 24th with Casey.

This interview with the state took place in July of 2009.

The FBI came into the case on July 22, 2008.
They interviewed the parents in 2008 and April 2009 (released July 2009).

I haven't looked into the 2008 interviews to confirm if tape was discussed then or not.

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Now I may go nuts - from doc dump of Sept. 29. 2009 I noted,

FBI Q66 (OCSO Q76)

(Pg. 9588) - "Q62 Q64 and Q104 are microscopically dissimilar in fiber composition to Q66."

Does this mean that the tape found on Caylee does not match the tape found on the gas can? Which tape matches the tape from the Anthony home?

 

[ynotdivein]

Unless our George knew that Caylee would be found in duct tape...I think the interview was in 2009.

Given the A's propensity to be able to know and not-know something at the same time (denial apparently is a river in Florida :banghead, maybe GA realized at some point between July 15 and December 11 2008 that KC and the Henkel tape were connected to Caylee's disappearance, but did not want to give her up since she was sticking to the nanny fantasy? :furious:

LE was right to use the technique of asking leading questions and letting GA spool out whatever he could come up with. He gets himself tangled up enough to raise red flags; the SA will take it from there at trial and ask the targeted, probing questions we are hoping to hear. And poor GA will have to answer them under oath. :twocents:

 

[Oakley]

Unless our George knew that Caylee would be found in duct tape...I think the interview was in 2009.

Case number 08-74777 - wonder if that means it was conducted in July '08?

The transcript was reviewed for accuracy in June '09.

 

[Oakley]

Duh, State's Exhibit 3 is a photograph of the gas can taken on 8/1/08.

GA confirms that is the gas can taken from his shed the was involved in the incident on the 24th with Casey.

This interview with the state took place in July of 2009.

The FBI came into the case on July 22, 2008.
They interviewed the parents in 2008 and April 2009 (released July 2009).

I haven't looked into the 2008 interviews to confirm if tape was discussed then or not.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now I may go nuts - from doc dump of Sept. 29. 2009 I noted,

FBI Q66 (OCSO Q76)

(Pg. 9588) - "Q62 Q64 and Q104 are microscopically dissimilar in fiber composition to Q66."

Does this mean that the tape found on Caylee does not match the tape found on the gas can? Which tape matches the tape from the Anthony home?

BBM Are you sure, Woe? The transcript was reviewed for accuracy on June 29 2009 (stated on last page.) I am wondering if the interview was conducted in 08 (based on the case number 08-74777)

 

[AZlawyer]

BBM Are you sure, Woe? The transcript was reviewed for accuracy on June 29 2009 (stated on last page.) I am wondering if the interview was conducted in 08 (based on the case number 08-74777)

The case number just tells you when the case started. The first page of the depo transcript (available at http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/casey-anthony-case-read-transcript-of-george-anthony-s-prosecution-deposition-august-5) shows the date of the depo: August 5, 2009.

 

[AZlawyer]

Now I may go nuts - from doc dump of Sept. 29. 2009 I noted,

FBI Q66 (OCSO Q76)

(Pg. 9588) - "Q62 Q64 and Q104 are microscopically dissimilar in fiber composition to Q66."

Does this mean that the tape found on Caylee does not match the tape found on the gas can? Which tape matches the tape from the Anthony home?

OK, this is discussed at GREAT length in other threads, and I don't want to get too far off topic, but the short answer is that (1) the FBI bench notes show that the specific difference between the gas can tape and the skull tape was that the skull tape did not contain any cotton threads, but (2) the tape manufacturer docs show that all these pieces of tape originally would have contained cotton threads. So the conclusion is that the cotton threads on the skull tape were once there but have since disappeared--and the only rational explanation is that the cotton threads, being natural rather than artificial fibers, decomposed.