Gas Cans discovered by George Key date - June 24, 2008 ***REVISITED ***

[Woe.be.gone]

Resp snipped from transcription, and bold by me:
(George) A Right. And it was after that is when I went out and purchased a couple other cans because, if I'm not mistaken, the sheriff's department came, like you said, on August 1st and removed these from my house, so I had to get new cans again. So your date and my date might be a little bit off but, yes. And -- yes.

But he should have had the first new set he purchased as only one set was confiscated on August 1, 2008. Why did he have to buy new ones if he already had?
Six - two = four. He should have four newish cans then if it's like you say.

 

[AZlawyer]

But he should have had the first new set he purchased as only one set was confiscated on August 1, 2008. Why did he have to buy new ones if he already had?
Six - two = four. He should have four newish cans then if it's like you say.

Exactly. His testimony makes no sense. Also, if he had bought new cans on June 24 (so he had 4 to choose from once KC kindly returned his old ones), why did he use the oldest one of the bunch--the one that didn't even have a cap--when he went to Johnson's Towing on July 15 to pick up her car?? (per tow yard guy's testimony that it was a beat-up old gas can)

And, if he DID choose to take the oldest one of the bunch, why didn't he put a piece of tape over the hole like he "always" did?--since he says the piece of tape was not put there until after August 1? :waitasec: Does he expect us to believe that he went to the tow yard with an uncapped gas can?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Case number 08-74777 - wonder if that means it was conducted in July '08?

The transcript was reviewed for accuracy in June '09.

BBM Are you sure, Woe? The transcript was reviewed for accuracy on June 29 2009 (stated on last page.) I am wondering if the interview was conducted in 08 (based on the case number 08-74777)

I think the 08 means the date the case began. The FBI interview with GA is in the written pages in the upper 7000's, gas cans begin page 7914 of numbered pages.
LE begins their interviews, 'today is (the date and time) and you are here with ..." well, this interview, conducted by the FBI, does not begin like that.

Furthermore, in the Official Documents thread, Post Number 175, Docs released July 30, 2009, it's listed as 'GA transcript from Summer 2008.'

Now I have to read (painful) to see if they discuss the tape versus only the situation surrounding the gas cans being stolen and returned by KC.

I know the State's interview, where the tape is discussed extensively, was conducted in 2009.

FBI (date unknown) interview with GA ~ http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20224461/detail.html

 

[Woe.be.gone]

OK, this is discussed at GREAT length in other threads, and I don't want to get too far off topic, but the short answer is that (1) the FBI bench notes show that the specific difference between the gas can tape and the skull tape was that the skull tape did not contain any cotton threads, but (2) the tape manufacturer docs show that all these pieces of tape originally would have contained cotton threads. So the conclusion is that the cotton threads on the skull tape were once there but have since disappeared--and the only rational explanation is that the cotton threads, being natural rather than artificial fibers, decomposed.

Is there documentation to support this? or is this info gathered from sleuthers discussing various possibilities? Because, I must admit, that I've been confused because the info about Q66 being dissimilar to the other tape found lodged in the back of my mind.

 

[AZlawyer]

Is there documentation to support this? or is this info gathered from sleuthers discussing various possibilities? Because, I must admit, that I've been confused because the info about Q66 being dissimilar to the other tape found lodged in the back of my mind.

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ETA: my first link in that post seems to be broken (the FBI notes). Here's a post by Valhall that contains a picture of one part of the FBI notes:

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[Numbers]

I think the 08 means the date the case began. The FBI interview with GA is in the written pages in the upper 7000's, gas cans begin page 7914 of numbered pages.
LE begins their interviews, 'today is (the date and time) and you are here with ..." well, this interview, conducted by the FBI, does not begin like that.

Furthermore, in the Official Documents thread, Post Number 175, Docs released July 30, 2009, it's listed as 'GA transcript from Summer 2008.'

Now I have to read (painful) to see if they discuss the tape versus only the situation surrounding the gas cans being stolen and returned by KC.

I know the State's interview, where the tape is discussed extensively, was conducted in 2009.

FBI (date unknown) interview with GA ~ http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20224461/detail.html

Hinky lists this with a date of 7/30/08 in her Searchable Discovery.

ETA: Gas cans are discussed on page 38; duct tape is not discussed.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Hinky lists this with a date of 7/30/08 in her Searchable Discovery.

ETA: Gas cans are discussed on page 38; duct tape is not discussed.

Thanks Numbers. I just read most of the interview and came back to post that the tape was not discussed in GA's Summer '08 interview with the FBI.

They did discuss the June 24 date quite a bit though. One thing I noted is that GA says that June 24 is the day that CA went to Universal. He says CA went to Universal on June 24 to confront KC. (My understanding is that she went there on July 2 or 3.)

SB asks him 'Are you sure it wasn't the 2..."

GA I'm positive it was the same day as...
SB ...the gas can situation?
GA Right
SB Okay
GA If my wife says it's another day it's possible. I mean that's ...

Soon after the 24th is the day that GA tried to chase down Casey while KC was driving Cindy's Toyota 4-runner - he's sure she was driving that car because of the large Panda in the rear window.

This was the last day (not sure of the date in June) that they physically saw KC until July 15, 2008.

A bit off topic from gas can topic but it's interesting that in this interview GA seems the most forthcoming. He says he would call Cindy to tell her this, that and the other thing - he tells SB this many times throughout the interview and GA always says that Cindy's immediate reply to what he is telling her is 'You're kidding". That that was CA's frequent response to GA's news struck me as being sort of interesting while reading through this time. Why would GA always be kidding CA regarding these important insights into their daughter's activities?

Also I noticed how eager GA is to defer to what his wife says. He says he is positive about this or that but then he adds, 'but if my wife says'. :waitasec: Positive means you know for sure. :waitasec:

 

[treeseeker]

Exactly. His testimony makes no sense. Also, if he had bought new cans on June 24 (so he had 4 to choose from once KC kindly returned his old ones), why did he use the oldest one of the bunch--the one that didn't even have a cap--when he went to Johnson's Towing on July 15 to pick up her car?? (per tow yard guy's testimony that it was a beat-up old gas can)

And, if he DID choose to take the oldest one of the bunch, why didn't he put a piece of tape over the hole like he "always" did?--since he says the piece of tape was not put there until after August 1? :waitasec: Does he expect us to believe that he went to the tow yard with an uncapped gas can?

Not only taking the uncapped can to the tow yard, but, unless they stopped to buy gas on July 15 before picking up the car, transporting the can a previous day to put gas in it. Unless he transferred gas from new to old can at home?

 

[LambChop]

Thanks Numbers. I just read most of the interview and came back to post that the tape was not discussed in GA's Summer '08 interview with the FBI.

They did discuss the June 24 date quite a bit though. One thing I noted is that GA says that June 24 is the day that CA went to Universal. He says CA went to Universal on June 24 to confront KC. (My understanding is that she went there on July 2 or 3.)

SB asks him 'Are you sure it wasn't the 2..."

GA I'm positive it was the same day as...
SB ...the gas can situation?
GA Right
SB Okay
GA If my wife says it's another day it's possible. I mean that's ...

Soon after the 24th is the day that GA tried to chase down Casey while KC was driving Cindy's Toyota 4-runner - he's sure she was driving that car because of the large Panda in the rear window.This was the last day (not sure of the date in June) that they physically saw KC until July 15, 2008.

A bit off topic from gas can topic but it's interesting that in this interview GA seems the most forthcoming. He says he would call Cindy to tell her this, that and the other thing - he tells SB this many times throughout the interview and GA always says that Cindy's immediate reply to what he is telling her is 'You're kidding". That that was CA's frequent response to GA's news struck me as being sort of interesting while reading through this time. Why would GA always be kidding CA regarding these important insights into their daughter's activities?

Also I noticed how eager GA is to defer to what his wife says. He says he is positive about this or that but then he adds, 'but if my wife says'. :waitasec: Positive means you know for sure. :waitasec:

GA was also mistaken about this date. On the Mythbusters thread page 1, post 11 from JBean is a listing of the EZpass records for both the Chevy and Toyota. I believe CA stated at a later date that GA was mistaken and the chase happened earlier than June. So GA's memory is not that reliable. jmo

 

[AZlawyer]

Thanks Numbers. I just read most of the interview and came back to post that the tape was not discussed in GA's Summer '08 interview with the FBI.

They did discuss the June 24 date quite a bit though. One thing I noted is that GA says that June 24 is the day that CA went to Universal. He says CA went to Universal on June 24 to confront KC. (My understanding is that she went there on July 2 or 3.)

SB asks him 'Are you sure it wasn't the 2..."

GA I'm positive it was the same day as...
SB ...the gas can situation?
GA Right
SB Okay
GA If my wife says it's another day it's possible. I mean that's ...

Soon after the 24th is the day that GA tried to chase down Casey while KC was driving Cindy's Toyota 4-runner - he's sure she was driving that car because of the large Panda in the rear window.

This was the last day (not sure of the date in June) that they physically saw KC until July 15, 2008.

A bit off topic from gas can topic but it's interesting that in this interview GA seems the most forthcoming. He says he would call Cindy to tell her this, that and the other thing - he tells SB this many times throughout the interview and GA always says that Cindy's immediate reply to what he is telling her is 'You're kidding". That that was CA's frequent response to GA's news struck me as being sort of interesting while reading through this time. Why would GA always be kidding CA regarding these important insights into their daughter's activities?

Also I noticed how eager GA is to defer to what his wife says. He says he is positive about this or that but then he adds, 'but if my wife says'. :waitasec: Positive means you know for sure. :waitasec:

If you read all his interviews, George is "positive" about a lot of things that he is 100% clearly wrong about. The day that Cindy went to Universal was July 3, not June 24. There is no day in June or July 2008 for which the EZPass records match George's description of chasing Casey in Cindy's car over the very specific route that he is absolutely positive about, and in fact no day in those 2 months that match even for George's car, so you can't even explain his mistake away by saying that Casey was driving Tony's car, which looks a lot like Cindy's (except that Tony's car doesn't have the big panda sticker that George is "positive" he saw :waitasec. The show George is positive he was watching at its normally scheduled air time of 12:50 pm on June 16, 2008 wasn't showing at that time in Orlando.

Makes you wonder if he is absolutely positive about other things--like seeing Casey and Caylee leave that afternoon, or what he saw in the trunk on June 24....

 

[LambChop]

Don't know how true this is but I heard once you reach 50 your brain starts to shrink.

 

[countzero]

I have never believed any of story lines told by CA and GA. Has anyone ever compiled a minute by minute call history between CA, GA and ICA cell and house phone calls? I know the released docs have each call history separated but it might be of some use to actually see these calls in sequential order. Then again, it might not.

I just had a difficult time at the beginning of this case with CA and especially GA being so dang precise on their activities 31 or more days after anything they claimed. Even more so now with reading these recent posts.

Thanks AZlawyer, you really have nailed GAs stories up on the "you just can't make this stuff up" wall.

 

[beach]

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Q66 - piece of tape on gas can probably placed by George.

Do you have an idea why GA adamantly denies placing that piece of tape on the gas can? (too large, not neat, not methodically placed)

Oh lordy...this is ONE depo I know inside and out having studied it for 2 days when we were sleuthing the how the duct tape matched up. George's depo is rather civil and fairly uneventful UNTIL he is asked about this piece of duct tape (Q66) on the gas can. His whole demeanor changes in an instant. He became defensive, fairly beligerent and got tangled up in his own words during this whole exchange. He "did NOT", "would have NEVER", "was not there"...According to George, there is absolutely no way he would have placed that duct tape in such a messy manner. Didn't happen. :snooty:

IMO, George is absolutely haunted by that Henkel duct tape. He cannot handle that the very tape he owned and stored in his shed was the murder weapon. It is too much to bear. The truth is staring him in the face, as it is us and as it will the jury. There is no denying the rare Henkel duct tape. By the time of this depo, he has already testified before the Grand Jury incriminating his own daughter...feels guilty about that and has had to endure the wrath of Cindy. I think this was his attempt at damage control. However, he was terrible at it. George tries to distant himself from that Henkel duct tape at all costs, imo.

I think he denies it because it is exactly the same "make and model" of rare duct tape found on the skull. From his state depo, I got the impression that he was suggesting LE put the duct tape on his gas can when they took it in August. I guess, in the World According to George, the logical conclusion is that LE duct-taped Caylee's head, too, sometime before decomposition (as noted by the coroner)? :waitasec:

BBM

ITA. That is exactly what he was implying. The only other thing he could have been suggesting is that there was a break in the chain of custody. Riiiiiiight.

 

[Snaz]

If you read all his interviews, George is "positive" about a lot of things that he is 100% clearly wrong about. The day that Cindy went to Universal was July 3, not June 24. There is no day in June or July 2008 for which the EZPass records match George's description of chasing Casey in Cindy's car over the very specific route that he is absolutely positive about, and in fact no day in those 2 months that match even for George's car, so you can't even explain his mistake away by saying that Casey was driving Tony's car, which looks a lot like Cindy's (except that Tony's car doesn't have the big panda sticker that George is "positive" he saw :waitasec. The show George is positive he was watching at its normally scheduled air time of 12:50 pm on June 16, 2008 wasn't showing at that time in Orlando.

Makes you wonder if he is absolutely positive about other things--like seeing Casey and Caylee leave that afternoon, or what he saw in the trunk on June 24....

BBM

Wow!! That's the first time I have heard that the cooking show George "knows for doggone positive" that he was watching at 12:50 p.m. on June 16 was not airing at that time.

What a[n unusual person]! :banghead:

 

[AZlawyer]

BBM

Wow!! That's the first time I have heard that the cooking show George "knows for doggone positive" that he was watching at 12:50 p.m. on June 16 was not airing at that time.

What a[n unusual person]! :banghead:

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[ExpectingUnicorns]

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Later on, didn't someone describe the show in more detail (maybe Cindy?) and the show's description matched Guy Fieri's Diners, Drive-ins and Dives. . . which was not showing at that time. Probably the only real truth that we learned from this lie is that George is a foodie. I hope he enjoyed his crab cakes.

 

[spartanmom]

I have always wondered why George even made a police report of a gas can being stolen.....I know I don't live in a big city, but, a stolen gas can isn't something that I would make a police report about, maybe I am just naiive sp?.....but, would anybody else make a police report about a stolen gas can, hmmmm, just curious......

 

[john's mom]

I have always wondered why George even made a police report of a gas can being stolen.....I know I don't live in a big city, but, a stolen gas can isn't something that I would make a police report about, maybe I am just naiive sp?.....but, would anybody else make a police report about a stolen gas can, hmmmm, just curious......

You might if you were fed up with your stealing [unusual] daughter and knew it was her that took it. If they were really going to try to get custody of Caylee, this might be another documented thing against Casey.

 

[LambChop]

I have always wondered why George even made a police report of a gas can being stolen.....I know I don't live in a big city, but, a stolen gas can isn't something that I would make a police report about, maybe I am just naiive sp?.....but, would anybody else make a police report about a stolen gas can, hmmmm, just curious......

I think it may have been the breaking of the lock and getting into the shed that upset GA. It's an invasion of your property and not as if the can were sitting out on the front lawn over night and someone took it. Clearly it appeared to him it was a crime. And I'm not that sure GA suspected KC because in one of GA's depos he clearly states the key to the shed was kept in the garage. Why would KC have TL break the lock when she knew where the key was???? Could it be she did not want GA to know that she was the one with the cans? jmo

 

[BondJamesBond]

Could it be she did not want GA to know that she was the one with the cans?

*snip*

FWIW...

• Dunno how often Casey would have ever gotten into the shed, hence, whether or not she knew, or cared, where the key was kept...coulda been a long forgotten detail, or perhaps...
• IIRC, Casey's story to the 'rents was that she was outta town...so, IF she took the cans and they appeared stolen it would be one less thing she'd hafta explain (e.g. that she came back into town for something 6/23). Recall that Casey showing up on 6/24 to be discovered by George, was what created the need for ZFG's insurance papers to be retrieved .

Any choice that required almost zero advance thought/effort on Casey's part would be a good candidate for explaining her action(s), IMHO.