Gas Cans discovered by George Key date - June 24, 2008 ***REVISITED ***

[LolaMoon08]

Ok - I don't have a link at my fingertips - nor can I even say whether it was a statement to LE or a TV interview or anything specific - but... I seem to recall that GA said the reason that he reported the stolen gas cans was because someone else in the neighborhood had mentioned stolen gas and they thought LE should have the info about his gas cans just incase they were related. Does anyone else recall that?

I think GA did suspect KC from the minute he discovered the gas cans missing but since she had never broken the lock off when she had used his gas before, he thought there was a slim chance that it might not have been her and he should report it since someone else in the neighborhood had some gas stolen too. I think that's why he said something about feeling like an idiot for reporting it when KC gave him back the cans - because he really knew all along that she did it and he didn't stick with his 1st instinct.

I think he's felt that way about a lot of things where KC is concerned since June 2008 and even long before Caylee's death too.

My question is... why did George hide his car in the garage (when it was usually parked on the drive-way) to catch Casey sneaking into the house that day if he really thought that someone else broke into his shed and stole his gas cans? He told LE that he knew Casey had stolen them and that is why he made up the story about needing these wedges? This is the way I took if from what George told LE.

I also believe that all this crap about Casey always running out of gas is another attempt to make her actions during those 31 days seem as normal for Casey as possible. I don't believe that Casey ran out of gas that much... she has complete access to her mothers credit cards and bank account.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Expecting Unicorns,

I thought the "bolted down" referred to the whole spare tire assembly thingy (highly technical term - I know) and that the wedge was supposed to be in with the spare tire???

I love it, aafromaa, you're at the same level with me on the technical terms for car doohickeys! Anyway, I do know all about spares and changing tires, (unfortunately) and I know we don't have anything closely resembling what George was describing contained within our spare tire assembly or compartment. I think it might be something extra you buy to keep your car from rolling more than something like a jack that you use to elevate your car. But I am waaaay out of my element here so I may be entirely wrong. Can anyone help me out here, please? :blushing:

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Ok - I don't have a link at my fingertips - nor can I even say whether it was a statement to LE or a TV interview or anything specific - but... I seem to recall that GA said the reason that he reported the stolen gas cans was because someone else in the neighborhood had mentioned stolen gas and they thought LE should have the info about his gas cans just incase they were related. Does anyone else recall that?

I think GA did suspect KC from the minute he discovered the gas cans missing but since she had never broken the lock off when she had used his gas before, he thought there was a slim chance that it might not have been her and he should report it since someone else in the neighborhood had some gas stolen too. I think that's why he said something about feeling like an idiot for reporting it when KC gave him back the cans - because he really knew all along that she did it and he didn't stick with his 1st instinct.

I think he's felt that way about a lot of things where KC is concerned since June 2008 and even long before Caylee's death too.

I remember hearing that too, now that you bring it up. This makes the most sense of anything else so far. Do we know if the claims of stolen gas in the neighborhood has been verified or not? I feel like I need to have a third party verification before I can believe anything any of the Anthonys say. But it does make sense, aafromaa.

 

[aafromaa]

My question is... why did George hide his car in the garage (when it was usually parked on the drive-way) to catch Casey sneaking into the house that day if he really thought that someone else broke into his shed and stole his gas cans? He told LE that he knew Casey had stolen them and that is why he made up the story about needing these wedges? This is the way I took if from what George told LE.

I also believe that all this crap about Casey always running out of gas is another attempt to make her actions during those 31 days seem as normal for Casey as possible. I don't believe that Casey ran out of gas that much... she has complete access to her mothers credit cards and bank account.

LolaMoon,

I have wondered about that car in the garage thing - it's been a while & I wasn't sure that his normal mo was to park in the drive or that his car was in the garage that day but knew I was thinking that was the case - anyway - my "theory" is that it wasn't so much about the gas cans that he may have wanted KC to think he wasn't home. I do believe that GA knew that KC was coming to the house when he & CA were gone and he wanted some answers but I don't think it was JUST about the gas cans even though I believe he was 99% sure she had them. (By the way, I don't doubt that KC ran out of gas more than once even though she was spending other people's money - I have a brother who always thinks he can go 50 miles more on "E" than he really can and he always has money in his pocket when he runs out - just didn't want to stop & get gas.)

But what do I know? I still can't figure out if I think he got the gas cans back on the 24th or if he's got the wrong date on that like he did on other things. Do you know how maddening it is not to be able to decide what you think?

 

[aafromaa]

I love it, aafromaa, you're at the same level with me on the technical terms for car doohickeys! Anyway, I do know all about spares and changing tires, (unfortunately) and I know we don't have anything closely resembling what George was describing contained within our spare tire assembly or compartment. I think it might be something extra you buy to keep your car from rolling more than something like a jack that you use to elevate your car. But I am waaaay out of my element here so I may be entirely wrong. Can anyone help me out here, please? :blushing:

don't know about this particular car and its doohickeys or about the wedge thingy - but my spare tire thing-a-ma-bob has a "bolt"? that comes up thru the spare tire and another what-ya-ma-call-it that twists onto that bolt to hold it all in place - that bolt also goes thru my jack and holds it in place on top of the tire - I could easily fit what I picture as a wedge thingy above or below the jack in the spare tire compartment if the wedge thingy had a hole thru it like my jack does - as I said, I'm not sure about any of this but it is what I pictured when GA said it was bolted in

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

don't know about this particular car and its doohickeys or about the wedge thingy - but my spare tire thing-a-ma-bob has a "bolt"? that comes up thru the spare tire and another what-ya-ma-call-it that twists onto that bolt to hold it all in place - that bolt also goes thru my jack and holds it in place on top of the tire - I could easily fit what I picture as a wedge thingy above or below the jack in the spare tire compartment if the wedge thingy had a hole thru it like my jack does - as I said, I'm not sure about any of this but it is what I pictured when GA said it was bolted in

Love it and can see it in my mind! It all goes together with the hick-a-ma-bob. (I think you and I should help design the next Lincoln or Caddy!) :blowkiss:

 

[spqr]

BBM

The key was not hidden at that point. George said in his state depo (I think that's where he said it) that he, his wife, his daughter and his son all knew where the key was. It was only after he replaced the broken lock that only he and Cindy knew where the key was.

My question is...is this a "magic" key? Once you hid the key, the corresponding lock cannot be broken...again? He makes no sense.

If someone broke the lock the first time, whether they knew where the key was or not, sure isn't going to stop them from breaking the lock again just because they don't know where the key is. All that implies is they (GA &CA) KNEW it was KC and just wanted to satisfy themselves that she had no "authorized" access to the key or any structure that it opened.

How is "hiding" the key going to prevent burglery/criminal mischief/larceny? I must be using logic, because his excuse/explaination makes no sense to me. JMO

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

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My question is...is this a "magic" key? Once you hid the key, the corresponding lock cannot be broken...again? He makes no sense.

If someone broke the lock the first time, whether they knew where the key was or not, sure isn't going to stop them from breaking the lock again just because they don't know where the key is. All that implies is they (GA &CA) KNEW it was KC and just wanted to satisfy themselves that she had no "authorized" access to the key or any structure that it opened.

How is "hiding" the key going to prevent burglery/criminal mischief/larceny? I must be using logic, because his excuse/explaination makes no sense to me. JMO

You are so right! It is totally illogical. :waitasec:

 

[aafromaa]

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My question is...is this a "magic" key? Once you hid the key, the corresponding lock cannot be broken...again? He makes no sense.

If someone broke the lock the first time, whether they knew where the key was or not, sure isn't going to stop them from breaking the lock again just because they don't know where the key is. All that implies is they (GA &CA) KNEW it was KC and just wanted to satisfy themselves that she had no "authorized" access to the key or any structure that it opened.

How is "hiding" the key going to prevent burglery/criminal mischief/larceny? I must be using logic, because his excuse/explaination makes no sense to me. JMO

Good point, spqr, but..... everyone replaces a lock that's been broken off and as for hiding the key and not telling her where it was - remember that at this point she said she was at Zanny's and then the Hard Rock and then in Tampa and then at Zanny's and then Jacksonville - right up to the time CA found her at Tony's. It may be more that they didn't get the chance to tell her where it was than that they ever really intended not to tell her - maybe...

 

[spqr]

Good point, spqr, but..... everyone replaces a lock that's been broken off and as for hiding the key and not telling her where it was - remember that at this point she said she was at Zanny's and then the Hard Rock and then in Tampa and then at Zanny's and then Jacksonville - right up to the time CA found her at Tony's. It may be more that they didn't get the chance to tell her where it was than that they ever really intended not to tell her - maybe...

Yes everyone does replace a lock that was broken, I agree. And I understand your point, but in his depo on the follow up it was stated that ONLY HE AND CINDY knew where the key was. Why not tell Lee...he was around. He wasn't at Zanny's or Jacksonville or Tampa...

It was first stated the all four of them knew (GA, CA, KC, LA), then it was only he and Cindy. I personally doubt that either of them thought Lee was stealing from them. They knew KC was.

(apparently they are both floating on that river in Egypt...De-nial)

Hope that makes sense (its late and i'm tired)

 

[belle3]

thinking about the broken lock. Why would she break the lock if everyone knew where the key was? unless she lost the key the last time she went into the shed. i may be wrong about this but wasnt there a key on a key chain found at the remains site?

 

[Amil]

thinking about the broken lock. Why would she break the lock if everyone knew where the key was? unless she lost the key the last time she went into the shed. i may be wrong about this but wasnt there a key on a key chain found at the remains site?

That would be soooo coool if they found that shed key at the remains site!

 

[countzero]

So again after all this terrific analysis of GAs doings, why oh why when CA/GA are trying their dangest to get ICA to bring back Caylee, they go into a "let us get ICA arrested so we can get custody of Caylee" mode?

Seemed it defeated the purpose. Locking ICA from gas cans, yet wanting her back .... IMHO, it's all a bull concocted story. The confrontation about the gas cans, the Tampa trip -- they all fall in along the storyline with Zanny and ICA being MOTY.

Let us not forget the text MSG CA sent ICA immediately after getting the Pontiac back from the tow yard: "CALL ME. BIG PROB" . Humm, and GA thought the gas cans were important enough to report it to LE, but not the Pontiac decomp odor? Defies all logic.

None of it happened. Other than LE being notified of a broken shed lock, not one mind us, incident/story that CA and GA told about those gas cans, the duct tape or any of the other outlandish stories have been verified by LE. NOT ONE. Only GA/CA/LA have vaguely verified each others stories. LE asks GA, GA says ask my wife. LE asks CA, CA says ask GA or LA. LE asks LA, and LA says that's what I was told by CA or GA.

It's all such a crock and not one for cooking food. :banghead:

 

[Phumi]

don't know about this particular car and its doohickeys or about the wedge thingy - but my spare tire thing-a-ma-bob has a "bolt"? that comes up thru the spare tire and another what-ya-ma-call-it that twists onto that bolt to hold it all in place - that bolt also goes thru my jack and holds it in place on top of the tire - I could easily fit what I picture as a wedge thingy above or below the jack in the spare tire compartment if the wedge thingy had a hole thru it like my jack does - as I said, I'm not sure about any of this but it is what I pictured when GA said it was bolted in

I noticed you didn't mention your thing-a-ma-callit had a hoo-dingus?
No hoo-dingus? I'd get my money back if I were you.

 

[Phumi]

So again after all this terrific analysis of GAs doings, why oh why when CA/GA are trying their dangest to get ICA to bring back Caylee, they go into a "let us get ICA arrested so we can get custody of Caylee" mode?

Seemed it defeated the purpose. Locking ICA from gas cans, yet wanting her back .... IMHO, it's all a bull concocted story. The confrontation about the gas cans, the Tampa trip -- they all fall in along the storyline with Zanny and ICA being MOTY.

Let us not forget the text MSG CA sent ICA immediately after getting the Pontiac back from the tow yard: "CALL ME. BIG PROB" . Humm, and GA thought the gas cans were important enough to report it to LE, but not the Pontiac decomp odor? Defies all logic.

None of it happened. Other than LE being notified of a broken shed lock, not one mind us, incident/story that CA and GA told about those gas cans, the duct tape or any of the other outlandish stories have been verified by LE. NOT ONE. Only GA/CA/LA have vaguely verified each others stories. LE asks GA, GA says ask my wife. LE asks CA, CA says ask GA or LA. LE asks LA, and LA says that's what I was told by CA or GA.

It's all such a crock and not one for cooking food. :banghead:

ITA
I think it may have happened like this: George did look in the trunk and saw the laundry hamper in there (in fact I remember there was one version of the story where George said he looked in the trunk and saw laundry and the blue crate. Anyone else remember that?) Cindy realizes how bad this looks for ICA and begins "re-programming" GA with the gas can story. I can picture CA swinging a pocket watch in front of GA's face saying "Gas cans, George. You saw gas cans." Remember the Greta interview at their house? George starts talking about gas can day and CA has the death-grip on his leg and she interjects about the gas cans being in the trunk before George can complete his thought? The whole gas can incident is a big source of stress/tension for them. Most likely because most of it is a lie.

 

[Snaz]

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My question is...is this a "magic" key? Once you hid the key, the corresponding lock cannot be broken...again? He makes no sense.

If someone broke the lock the first time, whether they knew where the key was or not, sure isn't going to stop them from breaking the lock again just because they don't know where the key is. All that implies is they (GA &CA) KNEW it was KC and just wanted to satisfy themselves that she had no "authorized" access to the key or any structure that it opened.

How is "hiding" the key going to prevent burglery/criminal mischief/larceny? I must be using logic, because his excuse/explaination makes no sense to me. JMO

Everything you say makes perfect sense to me.... but you have to remember. This is the Anthony's logic... and they are, after all.... well.... the Anthonys!

Need I say more? :banghead:

 

[NSS]

George may have known that something was VERY wrong.

Casey left with the baby.
They know she isn't in Tampa/Jacksonville etc.
They have seen or heard from Casey. but nothing from the baby.
Casey didn't take Caylees clothes, only her own.
Lee is dispatched and doesn't find her, but no doubt hears tales of where she has been and what she is doing.

The puzzle is starting to come together for GA, he probably assumes that Caylee used his gas cans in some illegal manner (maybe he though she was cremating remains herself) and needs to put as much mileage between him and them cans as possible.

His BS story about reclaiming the cans is just that --- crapola! But once he smelled that trunk on the 24th, he knew what had happened, and who was responsible, he just didn't know how.

Just a thought - nothing more

 

[Woe.be.gone]

*bbm*

Driving off-topic & splitting hairs, however, re: bold. IMHO, they prolly did question her about things, which lead to (a) a chase down the rabbit hole that eventually got exhausting and they gave up, or (b) it exploded in a shouting match and that got exhausting and they gave up. Both avenues achieve the same end. Exhaust anyone that attempts to hold you accountable.

ETA: Recall Tony and others commented on how much Casey could talk & talk. Thats just another avenue for the same behavior, IMHO.

Topic ramp up ahead.

BBM ~ Honestly, I can't imagine who KC inherited the talking trait from :waitasec:. Based on GA and CA's interviews, excessive talking runs in the family. :crazy:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

GA needed his gas cans because he was eager to get going on the landscaping project he had planned (ever since Caylee went missing) and he couldn't get started without his gas cans. He needed to control the bamboo growth afterall. :crazy:

Also, he needed to get on record that people come into the backyards in his neighborhood often. That idea might come in handy later. Remember he told LE and insisted that the perps must have jumped over the fence as his gate swings both ways (that's what he said). It made absolutely no sense when he said he had a gate that you can only go in and out of :waitasec:, so the perp had to jump over the fence.

Another good one for 'you can't make this stuff up'.

 

[LancelotLink]

Did we ever see in the police report that the officer observed an actual break in, or did George ex-LE just, as he said, fill out the report at the end of his driveway?