GBC Trial General Discussion Thread #3

[Snails]

That track down to below the bridge that you show so nicely in that photo was NOT like that back in April 2012, though. It was much more overgrown, and where the memorial now stands, was that little bit of bitumen then gravel in a sort of lay-by. And between that and the road, adjacent to the bridge railings, where that track now is heading down under the bridge, there were lots of tall bushes and very high grass. It was very well shielded from the road.

Here's a picture from 2009 from Google Earth which shows it the way it used to be. In 2012 it was probably even more overgrown. You can see the area at the bottom right of the picture where the turn-off is into that area. Interestingly the Streetview images are much more recent - they show it as it is now, complete with the memorial.

But you'll see what I mean by being well-shielded from the road.

Thanks Dr - yes, I have seen the pics of how it looked before. Now it is so exposed and there is no where to hide. It was obvious by the many footprints I saw today that there has been a lot of recent activity under the bridge. I could have very easily walked down the slope and I'm not a mountaineer/bushwalker.

 

[Makara]

NBC makes me think of my dad. Don't take that the wrong way! My dad's an awesome guy. If my spouse suddenly disappeared, he'd be here for me and he wouldn't be able to stand around doing nothing. Taking the vacuum and popping out to do my job for me is exactly the sort of thing he'd do. I can see him blundering along doing that in front of the cops and being utterly bemused that they were freaking out over a vacuum.

Given that nothing relevant was found by forensics when they checked out the vacuum, I have a hard time putting my helpful, fidgety dad out of my head, a man genuinely unable to stand still and do nothing in a time of stress.

It never hurts to try to consider the known facts from other angles. If you assume NBC is just a bad person then the vacuum incident must be suspicious and relevant and important. What if NBC is (like us all) a nuanced human being capable of good and bad and everything in between, and the thing with the vacuum was nothing more or less than a very involved parent helping out yet again with his son's business? We've spent thousands of words analysing the vacuum thing, which is either an incident of major significance or a red herring. I don't think enough people have considered that there may be nothing to it because it's too easy to see the BCs as bad people and not look for other explanations.

Also, if my spouse ever disappears, my dad is going to get my whole family crucified on this site

I understand what you're saying but if your spouse sudddenly disappeared, would your father give the police a statement if asked? NBC refused to give police a statement? Why?

 

[BJsleuth]

NBC makes me think of my dad. Don't take that the wrong way! My dad's an awesome guy. If my spouse suddenly disappeared, he'd be here for me and he wouldn't be able to stand around doing nothing. Taking the vacuum and popping out to do my job for me is exactly the sort of thing he'd do. I can see him blundering along doing that in front of the cops and being utterly bemused that they were freaking out over a vacuum.

Given that nothing relevant was found by forensics when they checked out the vacuum, I have a hard time putting my helpful, fidgety dad out of my head, a man genuinely unable to stand still and do nothing in a time of stress.

It never hurts to try to consider the known facts from other angles. If you assume NBC is just a bad person then the vacuum incident must be suspicious and relevant and important. What if NBC is (like us all) a nuanced human being capable of good and bad and everything in between, and the thing with the vacuum was nothing more or less than a very involved parent helping out yet again with his son's business? We've spent thousands of words analysing the vacuum thing, which is either an incident of major significance or a red herring. I don't think enough people have considered that there may be nothing to it because it's too easy to see the BCs as bad people and not look for other explanations.

Also, if my spouse ever disappears, my dad is going to get my whole family crucified on this site

Yes, I think it was just NBC being Dad and taking care of things so G could focus on the matter at hand and find his wife.

 

[JK673]

I understand what you're saying but if your spouse sudddenly disappeared, would your father give the police a statement if asked? NBC refused to give police a statement? Why?

Ahhhh yes! That is right!! I FORGOT about that

 

[Cattail]

NBC makes me think of my dad. Don't take that the wrong way! My dad's an awesome guy. If my spouse suddenly disappeared, he'd be here for me and he wouldn't be able to stand around doing nothing. Taking the vacuum and popping out to do my job for me is exactly the sort of thing he'd do. I can see him blundering along doing that in front of the cops and being utterly bemused that they were freaking out over a vacuum.

Given that nothing relevant was found by forensics when they checked out the vacuum, I have a hard time putting my helpful, fidgety dad out of my head, a man genuinely unable to stand still and do nothing in a time of stress.

It never hurts to try to consider the known facts from other angles. If you assume NBC is just a bad person then the vacuum incident must be suspicious and relevant and important. What if NBC is (like us all) a nuanced human being capable of good and bad and everything in between, and the thing with the vacuum was nothing more or less than a very involved parent helping out yet again with his son's business? We've spent thousands of words analysing the vacuum thing, which is either an incident of major significance or a red herring. I don't think enough people have considered that there may be nothing to it because it's too easy to see the BCs as bad people and not look for other explanations.

Also, if my spouse ever disappears, my dad is going to get my whole family crucified on this site

I agree. I find it hard to believe the rest of the BC family were involved. I think they are just bewildered that GBC has been accused. And possibly they aren't very nice people.

I also think that even though GBC is guilty it doesn't mean that everything he has said is a lie. For example some people have questioned the BBQ sausages. I really don't see why he would have lied over something like that.




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[Makara]

That track down to below the bridge that you show so nicely in that photo was NOT like that back in April 2012, though. It was much more overgrown, and where the memorial now stands, was that little bit of bitumen then gravel in a sort of lay-by. And between that and the road, adjacent to the bridge railings, where that track now is heading down under the bridge, there were lots of tall bushes and very high grass. It was very well shielded from the road.

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Thanks Doc. I'll post some pics soon of the bridge and surrounds as it was soon after Allison was found. Bear with me folks.

 

[marlywings]

There are numerous photos of the bridge, creek & surrounds in this link taken by locals from back in July,2012...

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[Cattail]

I understand what you're saying but if your spouse sudddenly disappeared, would your father give the police a statement if asked? NBC refused to give police a statement? Why?

If he thought the police were going after his son maybe he thought it would be bad for his son to give a statement ?


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[ThaiBali]

Why would Toni have demanded that Gerard tell Allison that she was going to be at the conference? Did she want to discourage Allison from going. It seems strange to me. Wouldn't it have seemed more proper if Gerard didn't know Toni would be there. If Gerard was going to tell Allison then that would be letting Allison know that Toni and Gerard were in contact again. Thus opening up the can of deceit worms again. Did Toni pursue this to maybe bring things to a head or hoping to guarantee something would happen to put an end to this marriage once and for all. There are some very strange dynamics going on here.

I see no reason why both couldn't be at the seminar. They both worked in real estate property management. I doubt Allison would have questioned her, I doubt TM would have approached her after all being in that industry would see them crossing paths regularly.

 

[DrWatson]

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Thanks Doc. I'll post some pics soon of the bridge and surrounds as it was soon after Allison was found. Bear with me folks.

Thanks Makara and Marly. I just put that one up as there are a lot of new members, and they may be getting a wrong impression as to how the bridge, creek, and surrounding area was back then. If you remember, when I went out there to have a little explore for the first time, I drove into that little area off the side of the road, and even in my Landcruiser, it was very well hidden from the road. From both directions.

 

[Makara]

Perhaps he had been there earlier and was ringingthe maintenance man to see if HE too had been there, unseen by GBC. The showground has 2 levels - there is a parking area on the top level as well. Remember - he rang Bruce Flegg to ask about a camera at the Kenmore roundabout.

The call to the maintenance man may have been something totally innocent but I just feel it's a bit hinky. He may well have been interviewed by police and was found to be all above board but I just feel that because GBC is such a snake, there would've been an ulterior motive for the call. I could be wrong, it's been known to happen. :floorlaugh:

 

[Makara]

Thanks Makara and Marly. I just put that one up as there are a lot of new members, and they may be getting a wrong impression as to how the bridge, creek, and surrounding area was back then. If you remember, when I went out there to have a little explore for the first time, I drove into that little area off the side of the road, and even in my Landcruiser, it was very well hidden from the road. From both directions.

Yes I do remember that Doc and my first impression was that GBC parked there and dragged or carried Allison under the bridge. I then got the impression from a few other ws members at the time that it was virtually impossible to gain access under the bridge and so I went with the theory that Allison was pushed from the bridge. I no longer think that.

 

[BatWoman]

I see no reason why both couldn't be at the seminar. They both worked in real estate property management. I doubt Allison would have questioned her, I doubt TM would have approached her after all being in that industry would see them crossing paths regularly.

I thought the same. Unless it's an intimate affair (probably wrong choice of words) there should be more than enough room among the hundreds of attendees for them to avoid each other, which as adults should be possible. TM was being a bit of a drama queen with her demands IMHO. Or perhaps she'd heard so much about Allison's supposed histrionics that she believed she'd have a melt down if they were to catch a glimpse of each other.

 

[ThaiBali]

I think the most likely scenario with the phone is that Allison would look at his phone, but not actually keep it. I don't think he'd relinquish control of his phone except for her to have a check and then give it back.

I don't believe she was putting his phone on charge at almost 2:00am when she had a big day the next day......or was already at Kholo Creek

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this is weird, why wouldn't he have TM programmed as Mrs Overlander or Mrs GG in the phone.

Real Estate agents have many calls. I couldn't see Allison phoning them all to check who they were. She is above that behavior.

 

[KG1]

Does anybody think GBC needs a psychiatric report?

If GBC is found guilty, it is highly likely that Defence would request one before sentencing occurs.

 

[Makara]

There are numerous photos of the bridge, creek & surrounds in this link taken by locals from back in July,2012...

PICTURES from our locals *NO DISCUSSION* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thanks Marly, you beat me to it.

The first two photos at this link give a good view of the access under the bridge.

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Keep scrolling down and you'll see many more photos of what the area looked like in July 2012.

 

[BJsleuth]

I understand what you're saying but if your spouse sudddenly disappeared, would your father give the police a statement if asked? NBC refused to give police a statement? Why?

It would be hard to say unless you're in that position. As far as he knew, Allison was missing after going to a walk. He doesn't know anything about it but the police are alluding they think G did it. If he tells him what he knows or gets some detail wrong, he knows they'll use it against his son no matter how innocuous it is. Maybe he was thinking "my son didn't do this but they're going to pin it on him anyway. What if they try to implicate me even though I know nothing?"

 

[JK673]

It would be hard to say unless you're in that position. As far as he knew, Allison was missing after going to a walk. He doesn't know anything about it but the police are alluding they think G did it. If he tells him what he knows or gets some detail wrong, he knows they'll use it against his son no matter how innocuous it is. Maybe he was thinking "my son didn't do this but they're going to pin it on him anyway. What if they try to implicate me even though I know nothing?"

Where there is smoke there is fire.....

 

[Makara]

I see no reason why both couldn't be at the seminar. They both worked in real estate property management. I doubt Allison would have questioned her, I doubt TM would have approached her after all being in that industry would see them crossing paths regularly.

Totally agree. I don't think Allison would have lowered herself to have a full-on confrontation with TM.

 

[Amee]

Testimony more than a denial

TESTIFYING at his murder trial this week, Gerard Baden-Clay at times seemed like he was reading from his resume.

For Baden-Clay, taking the stand was his chance to tell a jury he had not murdered his wife or dumped her body on a muddy creek bank. But it was also an opportunity to outline his achievements and community service. :facepalm:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/.../story-fnihsrf2-1226969405792?from=public_rss

GBC take note. Spend this weekend changing your prepared speech for Monday to actually getting to the point, your wifes murder!! We can only hope :banghead:
Please!!