General Discussion and Theories #2

[Archangel7]

It's unbelievable to me that a "publication ban" still exists in 2013. One would think such things existed only in countries run by dictatorships.

MOO

Amateurish and third worldly. IMO

 

[Blomquist]

Amateurish and third worldly. IMO

Is that the opinion that peoples lives including the lives of their family and friends past and present should be broadcast entirely, without restriction, even before they have had a chance to defend themselves?

IMO this incurs tremendously on ones rights, both of the accused and the witnesses. I can understand the not posting details of non POI's on WS solely for that reason. I have issue personally with social media sites because of it's penchant for invading privacy and allowing private and personal things to become world news. Facebook for example has played a large part in providing information that can be dissected and twisted in many cases. IMO MOO...

 

[expat cdn]

Not every country's citizens agree that endlessly Nancy Graceifying crimes and turning trials into sporting contests is the best way to reach a balanced and unbiased verdict. I, for one, prefer to keep the blindfold of Lady Justice firmly in place. MOO.

This is one issue I agree with you on, publication bans. They're there for a reason to maintain the rights of victims and the accused. Unlike, our neighbours, where the justice system sometimes seems like their entertainment. Nancy Grace, CNN, etc. I think it makes a mockery out of their justice system.

 

[expat cdn]

Amateurish and third worldly. IMO

Better than the farce of a justice system that we see in the USA.

 

[MsSherlock]

So from your post you are willing to believe that DM could have added more to his tattoo(s) but cannot see that there may be more to this case ? To a point I agree with your theory in the post before this quoted one...except I think there is more to it...I think more people are involved.... and I think one or possibly two people are a lot less involved than is the current popular belief. That is JMO .... MOO

Actually Blomquist...anything is possible. IMO we're stuck in a bit of a rut here and now we just have to wait for the evidence to speak for itself. A long road ahead for the families of the victim and accused and the accused themselves.
IMO, the "cellphone" speaks volumes. Even if someone was framing DM by making the calls LE have identified, how did DM & MS know enough to show up for the test drives?

"Hamilton police say a cellphone that was used to arrange a test drive with homicide victim Tim Bosma was also used to call a third man who was trying to sell a pickup truck."

Source: http://www.cp24.com/news/cellphone-in-bosma-case-used-to-call-third-man-1.1311889#ixzz2Z7Vcindr

The chop shop is more than an interesting spin, and IMO, HPS must have their reasons to pursue the Proceeds of Crime remedies.

"Kavanagh told CP24 that police are working on an “asset forfeiture” aspect of the case."

Source: http://www.cp24.com/news/cellphone-in-bosma-case-used-to-call-third-man-1.1311889

 

[lanman]

Well it is important as it pertains to evidence. Very important evidence IMO. I do get what you're saying though Ian. What is the most important evidence is are faces. That is what I believe got DM and MS arrested as I stated in my above post. Regarding tattoos, I have known people who have had tattoos "touched up" and more design added to them. DM may have had a tattoo done recently somewhere else on his body and decided to redo and add to the one on his wrist while he was at it. MOO.

My thinking is the same as yours swedie. Yes, the tattoo is important (as a piece of the overall puzzle). But to clarify my view, eyewitness statements are not always accurate. The description of the tattoo may not have been perfect, and probably wasn't. It may or may not have had a box around it. The shirt may or may not have been orange. It could have been red. In any case, it's obsurd IMO to think that if the description isn't exact then they must have the wrong guys, or it means they were set up.
Heck, we don't even know for sure if it was the tattoo that led to the arrest. Maybe they arrested DM because he was between 6'-1" and 6'-2". Or is he? Hummm.

 

[Blomquist]

Actually Blomquist...anything is possible. IMO we're stuck in a bit of a rut here and now we just have to wait for the evidence to speak for itself. A long road ahead for the families of the victim and accused and the accused themselves.
IMO, the "cellphone" speaks volumes. Even if someone was framing DM by making the calls LE have identified, how did DM & MS know enough to show up for the test drives?

"Hamilton police say a cellphone that was used to arrange a test drive with homicide victim Tim Bosma was also used to call a third man who was trying to sell a pickup truck."

Source: http://www.cp24.com/news/cellphone-in-bosma-case-used-to-call-third-man-1.1311889#ixzz2Z7Vcindr

The chop shop is more than an interesting spin, and IMO, HPS must have their reasons to pursue the Proceeds of Crime remedies.

"Kavanagh told CP24 that police are working on an “asset forfeiture” aspect of the case."

Source: http://www.cp24.com/news/cellphone-in-bosma-case-used-to-call-third-man-1.1311889

I am not surprised about the asset forfeiture aspect.... it is common knowledge IMO that courts like to get their hands on as much money and assets as they can...its part of their 'business' IMO and I believe IMO this is their style when it comes to assets/money even with people with a lot less than DM..... Of course my opinion is based on my belief that the current 'justice' system is a business. JMO

So the reason I see for pursuing this is not in my opinion to effect justice...simply more coffers for the system. JMO

I also think that the cellphone is an interesting piece of evidence. For example IMO I think it's highly possible that whoever bought the phone could have either called people and gave DM's name as the interested party or set the whole thing up to point to anyone other than the one actually buying the phone. I suspect there were probably one or two people who used DM's name to buy supplies and also used his name for email purposes JMO of course. Then there could have been someone using one of DM's facilities/properties as an office, which IMO would furnish them with ample opportunity to pretend to be him or have authority to speak for him.

Without hearing the phone conversations its difficult to say who made the calls... but if someone was determined to put the screws to DM's throat it would have been easy enough to do IMO.

JMO MOO

 

[Curiositykitten]

I didnt see DM wearing a bright orange T shirt in his 2012 pics. I didnt see him wear any very brightly coloured T shirts to be honest. He seems to prefer less flamboyant colours judging by all the pics I viewed of him on FB. Even when i googled images of him I couldn't find any bright coloured shirts.... So to say he has TWO bright orange ones and wears them on consecutive days seems rather odd to me.... JMO

He seems to prefer pale pink, white, black or grey from my observations JMO

There is a deep green (not a bright green) T Shirt that he is wearing at the hangar a few years back...that seems to be the most vibrant choice of T shirt I could find JMO

First of all, I'' reiterate what Silly Billy said, nowhere does it say the shirt/s were BRIGHT orange. And not all oranges are bright.

As a fashionista, I would also like to add that a man who sports a red mohawk is unlikely to shy away from bright colours. Clearly he's used to taking fashion risks. (In this case, other types of risks as well IMO):drumroll:

 

[Blomquist]

First of all, I'' reiterate what Silly Billy said, nowhere does it say the shirt/s were BRIGHT orange. And not all oranges are bright.

As a fashionista, I would also like to add that a man who sports a red mohawk is unlikely to shy away from bright colours. Clearly he's used to taking fashion risks. (In this case, other types of risks as well IMO)

Yes I was waiting for the mohawk comment ! Which I do believe we have narrowed down to a small section of time for a certain event. JMO I also do not belive in my opinion that his mohawk was a fashion statement MOO

I think I explained my point in a previous post (see excerpt below)... thank you:

So the person who came to test drive the truck was wearing an orange shirt ...either long sleeved or short sleeved depending on what you read..... IMO the shirt must have stood out as orange is a bright colour MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

I am not surprised about the asset forfeiture aspect.... it is common knowledge IMO that courts like to get their hands on as much money and assets as they can...its part of their 'business' IMO and I believe IMO this is their style when it comes to assets/money even with people with a lot less than DM..... Of course my opinion is based on my belief that the current 'justice' system is a business. JMO

So the reason I see for pursuing this is not in my opinion to effect justice...simply more coffers for the system. JMO

I also think that the cellphone is an interesting piece of evidence. For example IMO I think it's highly possible that whoever bought the phone could have either called people and gave DM's name as the interested party or set the whole thing up to point to anyone other than the one actually buying the phone. I suspect there were probably one or two people who used DM's name to buy supplies and also used his name for email purposes JMO of course. Then there could have been someone using one of DM's facilities/properties as an office, which IMO would furnish them with ample opportunity to pretend to be him or have authority to speak for him.

Without hearing the phone conversations its difficult to say who made the calls... but if someone was determined to put the screws to DM's throat it would have been easy enough to do IMO.

JMO MOO

Yes, if someone is determined to implicate someone, I'm sure they can cause havoc. However, that doesn't explain why DM & MS, and the blue yukon DM owns, allegedly showed up at TB's house after the calls were made. JMHO, considering the wealth that DM has, if being chased by OC, why wouldn't he simply grab his mom and head over to France where he has relatives? He'd still have access to good lawyers and the ability to do everything remotely now, plus enough money to live a good life.

 

[dizzy1]

With all the open space out there and enough vehicles to stock a car showroom, not to mention a helicopter or two.... it makes no sense to me that DM would put all evidence at his own door. IMO MOO

There was time to take the body miles and miles away...even the truck for that matter. The body could have been thrown out at night just about anywhere from a helicopter or even left in a field. DM could still have been back by morning. (Please excuse the graphic possibilities). MOO

Regardless of whether the body/truck were found after id'ing DM.... it still would not make sense IMO to leave incriminating evidence on ones property.
Even burglars get rid of their 'finds' as quickly as possible..... they dont leave them sitting on the front porch or lying around the back yard. JMO IMO MOO

I am a little behind on this thread, so I apologize for the late reply (there are so many different threads to try to keep up on!). I just wanted to know your thoughts in regards to this: If you believe it was OC who was setting DM up, and this is the reason TB's body was discovered on DM's own property, rather than in some random field - then why did OC go through the trouble of burning the body beyond recognition? Why not just dump TB's body in DM's back field without burning it, since the message OC was trying to make was to teach DM a lesson, not TB or his family. Why did they bother taking the time to burn the body beyond recognition? Just wondering what your thoughts were on this. TIA

 

[dizzy1]

But those are images of Tim's truck. It doesn't say 30 tapes of the vehicle that followed.

JMO

MOO, but if it was "following TB's truck", the vehicle following would be behind TB's truck. With approximately 30 videos to go over, hopefully LE is experienced enough to determine whether or not a vehicle was simply driving behind TB's vehicle, or actually following TB's vehicle. Therefore, if they have approximately 30 video images to go over of TB's truck, hopefully they watch the videos for a few extra second/minutes or so after they see TB's truck, to see if there are any vehicles following. MOO:moo:

 

[Blomquist]

Yes, if someone is determined to implicate someone, I'm sure they can cause havoc. However, that doesn't explain why DM & MS, and the blue yukon DM owns, allegedly showed up at TB's house after the calls were made. JMHO, considering the wealth that DM has, if being chased by OC, why wouldn't he simply grab his mom and head over to France where he has relatives? He'd still have access to good lawyers and the ability to do everything remotely now, plus enough money to live a good life.

Well you could have touched on an interesting point MsS. I have a theory that would explain totally why the blue Yukon MAY have shown up at TB's but without the ability to post my complete findings its is a moot point.

If DM is being hounded by OC and lets be fair... OC has now merged on so many levels and infiltrated many echelons of the system itself its a dodgy situation IMO... it is now known that DM was trying to wind down MillardAir. So in effect he was bringing the business to a new level. I think Millard Holdings appears to be becoming more of an income property business than an aviation type business. JMO But maybe some people were/are not too happy about that.
DM appeared to be setting up a lucrative rental property business which indeed could have supported him and his mom in a new overseas venture. Maybe that was his plan...who knows. But if so, it looks like certain people may not have liked his plans JMO whether he was planning to arrange things for continued income to support his and his moms lives elsewhere OR because he was taking certain facilities and income potential from the hands of others who had a strong grasp on his facilities etc.....JMO

 

[Blomquist]

MOO, but if it was "following TB's truck", the vehicle following would be behind TB's truck. With approximately 30 videos to go over, hopefully LE is experienced enough to determine whether or not a vehicle was simply driving behind TB's vehicle, or actually following TB's vehicle. Therefore, if they have approximately 30 video images to go over of TB's truck, hopefully they watch the videos for a few extra second/minutes or so after they see TB's truck, to see if there are any vehicles following. MOO:moo:

Where does it say the 30 videos were of TB's truck? I was of the opinion that these videos were of any potential sighting along certain routes JMO does anyone have any other info on this?

 

[Blomquist]

I am a little behind on this thread, so I apologize for the late reply (there are so many different threads to try to keep up on!). I just wanted to know your thoughts in regards to this: If you believe it was OC who was setting DM up, and this is the reason TB's body was discovered on DM's own property, rather than in some random field - then why did OC go through the trouble of burning the body beyond recognition? Why not just dump TB's body in DM's back field without burning it, since the message OC was trying to make was to teach DM a lesson, not TB or his family. Why did they bother taking the time to burn the body beyond recognition? Just wondering what your thoughts were on this. TIA

IMO...there would have possibly been forensic clues . For example... any hair or fingernails or skin samples etc from the killer could be on the surface of a body.... by burning even the outer layers one would probably eradicate any such evidence. JMO

Thats not to say that some evidence may still be around...but it would limit the possibility IMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Actually Blomquist...anything is possible. IMO we're stuck in a bit of a rut here and now we just have to wait for the evidence to speak for itself. A long road ahead for the families of the victim and accused and the accused themselves.
IMO, the "cellphone" speaks volumes. Even if someone was framing DM by making the calls LE have identified, how did DM & MS know enough to show up for the test drives?

"Hamilton police say a cellphone that was used to arrange a test drive with homicide victim Tim Bosma was also used to call a third man who was trying to sell a pickup truck."

Source: http://www.cp24.com/news/cellphone-in-bosma-case-used-to-call-third-man-1.1311889#ixzz2Z7Vcindr

The chop shop is more than an interesting spin, and IMO, HPS must have their reasons to pursue the Proceeds of Crime remedies.

"Kavanagh told CP24 that police are working on an “asset forfeiture” aspect of the case."

Source: http://www.cp24.com/news/cellphone-in-bosma-case-used-to-call-third-man-1.1311889

I have to agree about the importance of the cell phone. Those calls are what connects the first test drive to TB's test drive. Otherwise, the two could have been completed by different people, as the first description of the suspects was pretty vague IMO. Depending on how clearly SB saw the two accused, who owns the phone and who made the calls can also be important. Whoever made the calls/had the phone could potentially be the one and only person who was at both test drives. That person may have taken a different accomplice on each of the test drives.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Where does it say the 30 videos were of TB's truck? I was of the opinion that these videos were of any potential sighting along certain routes JMO does anyone have any other info on this?

This was in the original link provided, Blomquist.

Earlier in the investigation, there were five police officers assigned to review 30 security video tapes that captured images of Bosma's truck on May 6, the night he was abducted.

http://news.ca.msn.com/ontario/hamilton/clairmont-no-id-yet-of-two-other-suspects-in-bosma-murder

 

[dizzy1]

Where does it say the 30 videos were of TB's truck? I was of the opinion that these videos were of any potential sighting along certain routes JMO does anyone have any other info on this?

http://news.ca.msn.com/ontario/hamilton/clairmont-no-id-yet-of-two-other-suspects-in-bosma-murder

Earlier in the investigation, there were five police officers assigned to review 30 security video tapes that captured images of Bosma's truck on May 6, the night he was abducted. Kavanagh said the officers were able to plot out three possible routes the truck took that night. He has also said he believes Bosma was killed that night

BBM

 

[skatergirl]

Regarding the trailer-
I have looked at 2 photos of the trailer taken by the neighbour in one of them you can see a lock on the door, and in the 2nd one, to me it looks like a lock cutter on the driveway.

So this would mean the trailer was not accessible to someone who did not have keys. I know someone who has a similar trailer, and on the back door there is what I believe is called a cam lock. This is much like a car door lock, and requires a key as well. I personally have not seen a photo of the back door of the truck to be able to tell if this is the type of lock it has, but IMO it would have a lock of one kind or another to keep it's contents safeguarded. What I am getting at here is that whoever loaded the truck into the trailer must have had whatever keys were required to open the trailer, and if it were not DM as so many are suggesting, how did these mysterious people get his keys??? And how did he not notice his missing keys???

And another point, where did DM keep his trailer, and if it were suddenly missing, would he not notice, certainly more noticeable than missing keys?

https://twitter.com/mcianf/status/334326749921951744/photo/1

https://twitter.com/mcianf/status/334326998631591936/photo/1

 

[Blomquist]

Regarding the trailer-
I have looked at 2 photos of the trailer taken by the neighbour in one of them you can see a lock on the door, and in the 2nd one, to me it looks like a lock cutter on the driveway.

So this would mean the trailer was not accessible to someone who did not have keys. I know someone who has a similar trailer, and on the back door there is what I believe is called a cam lock. This is much like a car door lock, and requires a key as well. I personally have not seen a photo of the back door of the truck to be able to tell if this is the type of lock it has, but IMO it would have a lock of one kind or another to keep it's contents safeguarded. What I am getting at here is that whoever loaded the truck into the trailer must have had whatever keys were required to open the trailer, and if it were not DM as so many are suggesting, how did these mysterious people get his keys??? And how did he not notice his missing keys???

And another point, where did DM keep his trailer, and if it were suddenly missing, would he not notice, certainly more noticeable than missing keys?

https://twitter.com/mcianf/status/334326749921951744/photo/1

https://twitter.com/mcianf/status/334326998631591936/photo/1

Do we know that its his trailer?

If it is his trailer

I would guess that he kept it either at the airport or at a location provided by a friend

Maybe a friend had been using the trailer..(possibly in Brantford JMO ).. DM is apparently quite generous and how often would one use a trailer that size ??JMO