General Discussion and Theories #2

[Archangel7]

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[expat cdn]

May I suggest that since none of us here are jurisprudence scholars that debating the laws of different countries seems senseless and gets us no where with sleuthing this case.

 

[Blomquist]

So, now DM IS involved/but not criminally? So many convolutions....IMO

Please do not twist my words...I am here putting out theories the same as everyone else. Am I only allowed one rigid theory ? Or can I possibly be open to several ? I did not say anything about anyone being involved in a crime.... We are here to sleuth.... not criticize others suggestions. I have many opinions on many things.... JMO MOO

 

[Blomquist]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-13924709 ENGLAND


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/0...t-staff-smuggled-drugs-guns-crime-syndicates/
AUSTRALIA

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ci-rc/reports-rapports/spawn/index-eng.htm

CANADA


A few links to show that Organized Crime like to work from airports !!!

 

[cansleuther]

Slightly off-topic, but here are a couple of interesting articles concerning a multi-million dollar chop shop with ties to organized crime in the Niagara region. Vehicles were stolen from the Toronto and Hamilton area and were registered with VIN's from vehicles that had been written off and purchased as salvaged parts before being sold at a large profit. There is also a lot of information in the articles as to why vehicles are stolen and how typical chop shops operate.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2143252-cops-bust-5-million-chop-shop/

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-bust-massive-auto-chop-shop-fraud-ring-1.769480

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/print.php?sid=5911

 

[Sillybilly]

A few links to show that Organized Crime like to work from airports !!!

<rsbm>

While it is known that airports, etc are utilized by OC, investigators have to let the evidence lead. So far, the only indications we have that might smack of OC involvement on the other end is the alleged chop shop, and SL's allegation of DM providing LB with cocaine.

While anything is possible, we can't take a huge, world-wide problem that exists, and try to slot the available evidence from this case into such a scenario. The evidence must lead us to a conclusion, not vice versa.

JMO

 

[skatergirl]

A few links to show that Organized Crime like to work from airports !!!

If I understand correctly, the new Millardair maintenance business was not yet up and running at the Waterloo hanger

bbm

Mr. Sharif responded that until the facilities, estimated to have cost some $6 million, could be toured by potential customers, no deals would be signed

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Mr. Sharif recounted in an email. “I went over all of the contracts that were in negotiations and the potential for 2013.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it/

This coupled with very limited flights in and out of the Waterloo airport, I don't see an OC unit becoming involved to sit and wait for future possibilities to arise that they will someday be able to use Millardair/DM to their benefit. JMO
http://www.waterlooairport.ca/en/flightinformation/RouteMap.asp

 

[Sillybilly]

WRT the possibility of OC involvement, some food for thought. Am thinking back to the old Molson's Brewery facility up on Hwy 400 and the huge grow-op bust there in 2004. The facility had been closed down as a brewery in 2000.

http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/2011/04/15/organizer-in-molson-weed-factory-gets-seven-years

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/1...n-battling-for-8-9m-former-molson-plant-site/

Considering the potential for the leasing out of airport hangars on land leased from the federal government, how could that factor into the case at hand as it relates to DM? RK had the ad on the internet for selling off equipment and leasing out the hangar, AS had the potential for bringing in clients, so how might those possibly figure into a scenario where OC could utilize all this to their advantage?

Possible scenarios? ... while bearing in mind that we can't discuss innocents.

 

[Juballee]

That would be supposing that OC has no ability to think ahead.
But what if they do occasionally plan ahead? And leave false clues laying around where they are certain to be found?
Then when LE have to 'let the evidence lead', wouldn't it naturally lead them down the wrong paths?

 

[Alethea Dice]

A little OT, but quarterly summaries of events concerning OC in Canada are compiled for the Nathanson Centre. There is a lot of interesting reading there if anyone is interested.

http://nathanson.osgoode.yorku.ca/databases/quarterly-summaries-of-recent-events-organized-crime-in-canada/

 

[skatergirl]

A little OT, but quarterly summaries of events concerning OC in Canada are compiled for the Nathanson Centre. There is a lot of interesting reading there if anyone is interested.

http://nathanson.osgoode.yorku.ca/databases/quarterly-summaries-of-recent-events-organized-crime-in-canada/

Any specific sections of interest as it relates to this case?

 

[Snoofo]

WRT the possibility of OC involvement, some food for thought. Am thinking back to the old Molson's Brewery facility up on Hwy 400 and the huge grow-op bust there in 2004. The facility had been closed down as a brewery in 2000.

http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/2011/04/15/organizer-in-molson-weed-factory-gets-seven-years

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/1...n-battling-for-8-9m-former-molson-plant-site/

Considering the potential for the leasing out of airport hangars on land leased from the federal government, how could that factor into the case at hand as it relates to DM? RK had the ad on the internet for selling off equipment and leasing out the hangar, AS had the potential for bringing in clients, so how might those possibly figure into a scenario where OC could utilize all this to their advantage?

Possible scenarios? ... while bearing in mind that we can't discuss innocents.

I hope I am understanding your query correctly.

Maybe leasing wouldnt help OC, rather it ought to deter OC, right?

Subletting lands was only considered just prior to WMs death, from what we know in AS article, and actively pursued after his death.

Could it be by this point Millard was trying to get out of something? (Something already in existence with OC.) Lease it and walk off into the sunset?

OR run a legit ad and allow an OC co. sublease the lands so it doesnt look like they just strolled in and took over. Once in, they use the useful hangar as they see fit.

If these sound ridiculous, I can only say I promise never to write crime fiction!

 

[Snoofo]

So far as running a crime op there under a sublease...yes it is Region's lands, which means its less likely to be inspected IMO. Just dont store stolen cars there or use it as a meth lab. In & out only.

 

[MsSherlock]

WRT the possibility of OC involvement, some food for thought. Am thinking back to the old Molson's Brewery facility up on Hwy 400 and the huge grow-op bust there in 2004. The facility had been closed down as a brewery in 2000.

http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/2011/04/15/organizer-in-molson-weed-factory-gets-seven-years

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/1...n-battling-for-8-9m-former-molson-plant-site/

Considering the potential for the leasing out of airport hangars on land leased from the federal government, how could that factor into the case at hand as it relates to DM? RK had the ad on the internet for selling off equipment and leasing out the hangar, AS had the potential for bringing in clients, so how might those possibly figure into a scenario where OC could utilize all this to their advantage?

Possible scenarios? ... while bearing in mind that we can't discuss innocents.

IMO, the whole "using the hangar" thing for OC is a moot point. There's a big difference between the Molson Brewery grow op scenario and the potential of the Waterloo hangar. Firstly, the City of Waterloo had dumped a millions right in front of the Millardair Hangar. This was invested for the economic spin offs of a top notch AMO. That's tax payers money and IMO, there's a level of expectation and accountability.

http://metronews.ca/news/kitchener/688568/waterloo-region-spent-5-4m-on-millardair/

The Airport Manager had already come calling to find out what was going on and that was well before TB was murdered. He states they were not operating in accordance to their lease.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/activity-at-millard-air-hangar-not-what-airport-boss-expected-1.1302652

The only thing Millardair owns was the Hangar. They lease the land from the Airport, which is publicly owned.

"From 1951 to 1973 the Waterloo-Wellington Flying Club ran the airport and then sold it to Waterloo Region and the City of Guelph. It became a publicly owned airport and was renamed Waterloo Regional Airport. Today it operates 24 hours and seven days a week."

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Region_of_Waterloo_International_Airport"]Region of Waterloo International Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

IMO, the 50,000 square foot Millardair hangar with a bright red roof, sitting all by it's lonesome would be far too conspicuous. Further more, it's one thing to have drive by traffic, such as airport maintenance personnel who are constantly maintaining the grounds, aprons and roads, but to be flown over many, many times a day, sometimes by the call signs Oscar Papa Papa (aka OPP) and plus the "pot drones" that are actually developed in Waterloo

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/13/police-use-drones-to-spot-grow-ops-in-halton-region

JMHO, unless OC means "Optimistic Criminal", an airport would certainly would seem like an extremely risky location for criminal activities. :twocents: MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

Subletting lands was only considered just prior to WMs death, from what we know in AS article, and actively pursued after his death.

I haven't heard that before...can you please provide a link for this info?

 

[Snoofo]

Sorry its not in the AS article...and therefore the reference to contemplation beforehand may not exist ( I thought MSM reported it but if not the AS article I am unsure where.)

I will have to track down the exact info I am thinking of regarding talks with airport manager re leasing.

 

[Pink Panther]

Here:

http://www.aviads.ca/ads/large-hangar-for-rent-in-waterloo-ontario-ykf/

http://copa8.blogspot.ca/2013/03/large-hangar-available-at-waterloo.html

http://www.aviationacres.com/Zoom.asp?CMD=ComDetail&TEM=ComZoom.htm&LI=76622&SI=44223

"In March, a man named Robert Kozlowski, claiming to be the vice president of operations at Millard Air, posted on an aviation blog that the company was looking to lease the hangar.":

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...-begin-at-airport-hangar-belonging-to-family/

 

[MsSherlock]

Sorry its not in the AS article...and therefore the reference to contemplation beforehand may not exist ( I thought MSM reported it but if not the AS article I am unsure where.)

I will have to track down the exact info I am thinking of regarding talks with airport manager re leasing.

Thanks Snoofo..IMO it has never been referenced. The info about what was going on prior to WM's death was in the National Post article- and it was full steam ahead. They had just gotten they're Certification.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it/

Perhaps you're confusing it with the old lease at Pearson that expired in 2011?

 

[Sillybilly]

IMO, the 50,000 square foot Millardair hangar with a bright red roof, sitting all by it's lonesome would be far too conspicuous. Further more, it's one thing to have drive by traffic, such as airport maintenance personnel who are constantly maintaining the grounds, aprons and roads, but to be flown over many, many times a day, sometimes by the call signs Oscar Papa Papa (aka OPP) and plus the "pot drones" that are actually developed in Waterloo

<rsbm>

Yeah, I know ... but I am trying to consider the possibilities of alternate theories presented by other posters.

I wasn't thinking necessarily about the pot business with its related odours (effectively dealt with in the Molson operation situate across the highway from the Barrie detachment of the OPP), and those Drones only take aerial pictures, so anything conducted within a facility isn't going to show up. Was trying to consider any/all types of contraband involved in international smuggling.

I brought up the Molson's case though in light of the size of the operation, the building having been purchasesd / owned by a Toronto real estate developer whose family member was convicted, it seemed to have a lot of money and planning put into it, and the location was about as ballsey as you can get.

JMO

 

[Snoofo]

Thanks Snoofo..IMO it has never been referenced. The info about what was going on prior to WM's death was in the National Post article- and it was full steam ahead. They had just gotten they're Certification.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it/

Perhaps you're confusing it with the old lease at Pearson that expired in 2011?

I confused something, that's for sure! But I found the article I was seeking so I haven't completely lost my mind.

I found the one I was thinking of in terms of future leasing plans however I believe i did screw it up. I thought he mentioned possibilities to AS in November and explored ideas more intently with Chris Wood the airport manager in March, however there only seems to be one conversation, with CW, about leasing to a new tenant or operating a different business within the permitted uses in the lease, as referenced here:

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/activity-at-millard-air-hangar-not-what-airport-boss-expected-1.1302652

My apologies for my own confusion. If ever do find what led me to believe he discussed it earlier, I will certainly post it.