General Discussion and Theories #2

[swedie]

From Blomquist’s post in the Incinerator thread:

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A few years ago during a court recess, I confronted a defence attorney about some blatant untruth he stated at trial. His face went red as he blustered “I can say anything I want in defence of my client”.

Mr. Pinnochio Pants-on-Fire ^^ lost the case for his pedophile, stalker client who was found guilty and sent to jail.

BBM Love your terminology for the defense lawyer. :floorlaugh: The have a role to play IMO. They are all good at claim their client's innocent, because if they weren't they wouldn't get the job. It's all about the $$. Fake it until you make it. Reminds me of Dirk D although he didn't have the Napoleon strategy philosophy thing going on. "There's more to the story", famous last words.

Yes, didn't someone already say loose lips sink ships :floorlaugh: DP's said some pretty revealing information in his media chats. He had basically come right out and said DM was involved, is remorseful, but we have to wait until trial to find out what role DM played in all of this.

What's with the random statement "He's a bit of a philosopher, by way of nature and background on reading" :floorlaugh: I guess it sounds good but will it help his client?! I guess to blurt out anything positive, big words could raise doubt to some.

DP said he had spoken to MB and she said "she's not saying anything other then being extremely shaken up that she would find her son who she has indicated to me just to a a previous good character, a good son, an obedient son and someone who's always excelling at things".

Well now doncha think many mothers would say something like this taking into account her son is being charged with first degree murder?! A previous good character...hmmm. How about always?! MOO

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpJcSozmeJo"]Deepak Paradkar speaks about his client Dellen Millard - YouTube[/ame]

 

[ArianeEmory]

The 'philosopher' comment has always struck me as a way for the lawyer to come up with a one-word descriptor for DM when he has no pinpointable career or occupation otherwise.

(No offense to actual students or professors of philosophy.)

 

[dizzy1]

It would be a good idea to just list the facts and the potential witnesses...

Peripheral sidetracking imo should be kept to a bare minimum as IMO it just litters the case.

Trouble is we cannot include people who are not POI's on here....so our list would be limited insofar as who we may think are witnesses and /or potential persons of interest.

I am compiling a list myself though so at some point it may be ok to post...depending on how the land lies with any press releases etc

BBM

Not sure what the term 'peripheral sidetracking' means, could you explain, along with how it is 'littering up the case'? (Is it littering up the case for LE, or just for us here on WS?). TIA

 

[robynhood]

...Take a look at 1;48 Sharlene Bosma exact words how the devil lead her husband down her drive way and smiles at her....http://youtu.be/8OFtH0px-IM( on You tube from memorial..)

IMO we must look at the reality that SB gave a matching description of DM to police as the other man selling his Ram truck...who SAW DM & MS as he went on a test drive that day before.( SUN.May 5)....PLUs DM burner phone has been traced to have made those phone calls to TB and Large man ( too many names think it is AO)..I agree I do not think it is rocket science to understand this...IMO...robynhood.

 

[Sillybilly]

Yes I am sure...but in my experience I have seen prosecutors lie through their back teeth on a regular basis...so I don't feel that singling out a defense attorney doing the same really sheds any light on anything, other than 'people lie' including but not limited to LE, attorneys and prosecutors... lets hope all of them avoid lying in order to reveal the actual, factual truth in this case.....

I gave an example of my personal experience with a defence attorney. I won't continue to bore you with all the positive experiences I've had with LE, prosecutors, judges and the like. Examples of personal experiences at least tend to shed more light on a situation than do blatant generalizations.

 

[swedie]

I found these videos interesting to listen to again.

This one around 2:30 a retired TO police detective gives his expertise. "If an innocent person was accused of such a horrific crime, that they would want to scream from the roof tops that it wasn't me". Also said that perps made mistakes such as/including the cell phone which lead to DM. He said he feels DM is smart but finds that smart individuals don't make smart criminals. From what it appears to him, the crime was not carried out with precision. And IMHO I would be screaming from roof tops also, I would take my chances if I was innocent rather then sitting for at least three years in jail. :cow::moo:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFtHm8AExgA"]More questions than answers on Tim Bosma case - YouTube[/ame]

Another interesting video(21:17) I found interesting to listen to again with R Maclean, a Crime Specialist and a defense lawyer discuss the case right after DM's arrest on May 14th. The crime specialist said, WM was the one who ran the business and was in the middle of negotiating some huge (placing great emphasis on huge) contracts with major airlines on servicing jets. After he died DM folded everything, saying DM became CEO, then he questions with no pun intended, was he (DM) the right guy to be piloting this company?. He also said LE are doing a stellar job. Homicide investigators are the cream of the crop :great: And again the defense lawyer asking for confirmation of TB being burned in a barrel to which was answered with a yes. They could be referring the barrel as the incinerator IMO.
All MOO.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFDhn6rOuBA"]Ross McLean, Crime Specialist Interview on Tim Bosma Murder - YouTube[/ame]

 

[swedie]

Yes I am sure...but in my experience I have seen prosecutors lie through their back teeth on a regular basis...so I don't feel that singling out a defense attorney doing the same really sheds any light on anything, other than 'people lie' including but not limited to LE, attorneys and prosecutors... lets hope all of them avoid lying in order to reveal the actual, factual truth in this case.....

Well respectfully, I hope you don't get too consumed with the whole notion of lying defense, prosecution, LE when it comes to this case. <modsnip>The evidence from prosecutors, forensics, videos, witnesses and LE will speak for itself, as it does in most trials TBH and IMO. Do you figure DM or MS will apply for and get bail? I believe the next court date is September 12th IIRC. Wonder what we will find out then. Maybe they make bail? Let's hope DM and/or MS have opened up to their lawyers or LE, have been able to show their non involvement by now. It has been almost four months since this case started, surely there must be something DP can bring forward to prove his client was framed, or OC was involved or it was MS's fault Tim was murder. :moo:

 

[ellie b]

"If an innocent person was accused of such a horrific crime, that they would want to scream from the roof tops that it wasn't me".

Totally agree with this statement personally.

 

[Blomquist]

BBM

Not sure what the term 'peripheral sidetracking' means, could you explain, along with how it is 'littering up the case'? (Is it littering up the case for LE, or just for us here on WS?). TIA

pe·riph·er·al (p-rfr-l)
adj.
1. Related to, located in, or constituting an outer boundary or periphery.
2. Perceived or perceiving near the outer edges of the retina: peripheral vision.
3. Anatomy
a. Of the surface or outer part of a body or organ; external.
b. Of, relating to, or being part of the peripheral nervous system.
4. Of minor relevance or importance.
5. Auxiliary.

side·track (sdtrk)
v. side·tracked, side·track·ing, side·tracks
v.tr.
1. To divert from a main issue or course: I was sidetracked from my work by an unexpected visitor.
2. To delay or block the progress of deliberately: "a bill that would sidetrack food irradiation in this country" (Alexis Beck).
3. To switch from a main railroad track to a siding.
v.intr.
1. To deviate from a main issue or course.
2. To run into a siding.

 

[swedie]

...Take a look at 1;48 Sharlene Bosma exact words how the devil lead her husband down her drive way and smiles at her....http://youtu.be/8OFtH0px-IM( on You tube from memorial..)

IMO we must look at the reality that SB gave a matching description of DM to police as the other man selling his Ram truck...who SAW DM & MS as he went on a test drive that day before.( SUN.May 5)....PLUs DM burner phone has been traced to have made those phone calls to TB and Large man ( too many names think it is AO)..I agree I do not think it is rocket science to understand this...IMO...robynhood.

Yes Robyn the evidence is strong but there's this notion DM and MS parted ways with TB after the drive, out on some random road, late at night, under the cover of darkness, where there would have been absolutely no witnesses who may have seen something, heard something, and between the time of them leaving TB to see his way home, someone intercepted and murdered TB and planted all the evidence on DM's property to frame him.

Imagine, they were even clever enough to get a cell phone under a fake name which was somehow traced/tracked/lead back to DM. They knew three months or more before they got that fake phone DM and MS would be going to take Dodge Rams out for test drives. Even smart enough to place calls from towers in relation to places DM frequented/lived. Clever enough to find perps who look just like the accused to frame DM and MS (identified by BO and SB). One even had the same tattoo as DM. Or maybe it wasn't a tattoo at all, but a drawing with a pen.

It seems they did make it to Brantford though as TB's truck was spotted there, but the witness could not tell how many people were in the vehicle. More than likely because TB's truck had tinted back windows. Why would they need to drive all the way to Brantford? A typical test drive is and done within close proximity of someone's home or business, not a half hour from home, of course unless there was something nefarious going on. Why would TB drive alone to Brantford as that would be heading away from home. A drive to Brantford is the fastest and most direct route to DM's property in Ayr if I'm not mistaken, how coincidental.

With all the coincidental evidence, it seems clear to me DM and MS are the ones who took Tim's life and are preferring to remain silent just because it is their constitutional right. Heaven knows they wouldn't want to divulge any information to prove their innocence or help LE solve this case and put the real murders behind bars. There are so many bad cops out there just looking to pin a crime on anyone without having solid evidence (sarcasm). I do not buy the framing, OC, or any other notion that's been gone over a thousand times or more and IMHO, still fails the sniff test. None of them add up to the evidence other then what so many and LE are claiming to be the case. The two accused sitting in jail are the right guys and unfortunately we will have to wait it out until the trial to find out all the specifics in this case. I am just so thankful they caught the murders All :moo: Robyn and HTH. :seeya:

Bosma's truck was spotted in downtown Brantford hours after Bosma left on the test drive, Kavanagh said, but the witness couldn't tell how many people were inside.

http://www.newstalk1010.com/News/localnews/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10543088

 

[robynhood]

Just listening to Loads of reports from Police again...Can someone help me sleuth if possible what year was the RAM diesel that DM & SM went to look at looking at on SUNDAY MAY 5?they test drove it and LE said owner was a large man working in an industrial place and that "MAY " have been why they were not interested

....Could be important>>>> Was it the same as TB but a different colour.....? ( I know TB was 2007 black diesel RAM....please correct me if I am wrong....?

......Could be also interesting as to what year was the other RAm Truck that DM & SM called about?( man slept in so test drive never occurred...)...thanks robynhood...

 

[robynhood]

Yes Robyn the evidence is strong but there's this notion DM and MS parted ways with TB after the drive, out on some random road, late at night, under the cover of darkness, where there would have been absolutely no witnesses who may have seen something, heard something, and between the time of them leaving TB to see his way home, someone intercepted and murdered TB and planted all the evidence on DM's property to frame him.

Imagine, they were even clever enough to get a cell phone under a fake name which was somehow traced/tracked/lead back to DM. They knew three months or more before they got that fake phone DM and MS would be going to take Dodge Rams out for test drives. Even smart enough to place calls from towers in relation to places DM frequented/lived. Clever enough to find perps who look just like the accused to frame DM and MS (identified by BO and SB). One even had the same tattoo as DM. Or maybe it wasn't a tattoo at all, but a drawing with a pen.

It seems they did make it to Brantford though as TB's truck was spotted there, but the witness could not tell how many people were in the vehicle. More than likely because TB's truck had tinted back windows. Why would they need to drive all the way to Brantford? A typical test drive is and done within close proximity of someone's home or business, not a half hour from home, of course unless there was something nefarious going on. Why would TB drive alone to Brantford as that would be heading away from home. A drive to Brantford is the fastest and most direct route to DM's property in Ayr if I'm not mistaken, how coincidental.

With all the coincidental evidence, it seems clear to me DM and MS are the ones who took Tim's life and are preferring to remain silent just because it is their constitutional right. Heaven knows they wouldn't want to divulge any information to prove their innocence or help LE solve this case and put the real murders behind bars. There are so many bad cops out there just looking to pin a crime on anyone without having solid evidence (sarcasm). I do not buy the framing, OC, or any other notion that's been gone over a thousand times or more and IMHO, still fails the sniff test. None of them add up to the evidence other then what so many and LE are claiming to be the case. The two accused sitting in jail are the right guys and unfortunately we will have to wait it out until the trial to find out all the specifics in this case. I am just so thankful they caught the murders All :moo: Robyn and HTH. :seeya:

Bosma's truck was spotted in downtown Brantford hours after Bosma left on the test drive, Kavanagh said, but the witness couldn't tell how many people were inside.

http://www.newstalk1010.com/News/localnews/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10543088

I think this should be closely viewed by ALL....look at 9;00 all the police dept that are involved...all over GTA , York region, Halton...etc...forensic , homicide, ETC>>>>!..I think there will be TONS of evidence...all will be revealed in COURT...robyn will tweet away...see ya all there...JUSTICE for Tim BOSMA is what we are all seeking...MURDER...IST degree , BODY BURNED BEYOND recoginition...but evidence did lead to id TB to sharlene & family...RIP TB..robynhood:facepalm:

 

[swedie]

Just listening to Loads of reports from Police again...Can someone help me sleuth if possible what year was the RAM diesel that DM & SM went to look at looking at on SUNDAY MAY 5?they test drove it and LE said owner was a large man working in an industrial place and that "MAY " have been why they were not interested

....Could be important>>>> Was it the same as TB but a different colour.....? ( I know TB was 2007 black diesel RAM....please correct me if I am wrong....?

......Could be also interesting as to what year was the other RAm Truck that DM & SM called about?( man slept in so test drive never occurred...)...thanks robynhood...

No problem Robyn, I'll try and help you out.

Hamilton police Det. Sgt. Matt Kavanagh said police were calling on businesses in Brantford to check their video surveillance systems for May 6 between 9:30 to 10:30 p.m. Kavanagh added that one of the males had a tattoo on his wrist with the word "AMBITION" framed in a box.

Bosma was reported missing in the Ancaster area on Monday after going for a ride with two Toronto men who said they wanted to buy his truck, a black 2007 Dodge Ram 3500 diesel pickup with the Ontario licence plate 726 7ZW.

The Etobicoke guy, who owned his own business had a 2009 red truck IIRC. LE believed what saved him was because he was a big guy. I say that could go two ways; DM and MS figured he was too big to fit into the incinerator with playing butchers or because he was a large man and his appearance scared them off. HTH.

Kavanagh said police have since discovered the same suspects test-drove a similar truck in Toronto but didn't harm the seller.

That seller, who was in the Etobicoke area, had also posted the truck for sale online. He told police he found the men suspicious, because they had arrived to see the truck in an industrial area with no vehicle.

"He thought it was odd, because of the size of the vehicle," Kavanagh said. "It's more of a business vehicle than a personal vehicle.

"Fortunately for this person, he's a very large individual. I think he would have overpowered the both of them. I think that was his advantage."

Kavanagh also stressed that at this point, there's nothing to indicate something from Bosma's past led to the disappearance.

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/05/10/hamilton-bosma-update.html

 

[Blomquist]

BBM May I question you as to how this list is irrelevant to the actual case? :tsktsk::eye: I stated at the top what the purpose of the list was for HTH. My apologize if this is not helpful to you, but it is clearly as close to the FACTS as we are privy to at this time. Most of, if not all points have been stated by LE in the MSM which is factual, circumstantial evidence so I HTH. What could be helpful is for you to compile a list of your own, as per your suggestion, to share now to help others better understand where you are coming from. TIA.

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It would be a good idea to just list the facts and the potential witnesses... I am compiling a list myself though so at some point it may be ok to post...depending on how the land lies with any press releases etc

Did you know the majority of cases are solved by way of circumstantial evidence peppered with direct evidence? Typically, circumstantial evidence can be what leads to a guilty verdict. In this case so far, we have an abundance of circumstantial evidence and we have hardly even started. Just imagine what LE, forensics and other professionals have discovered, which of course will come out at trial, leaving some claiming to be shocked. :cow:

What I find quite interesting and extremely telling is; if you read any of the articles with the availability to leave comments, the vast majority of the commentors believe DM and MS are guilty of committing this dastardly crime. What would be interesting to find out, how many commentors know the accused. :hiding: I guess it seems the vast majority have mob mentality, or as someone else claimed "on a witch hunt". I myself classify it as freedom of speech, logic, common sense and open mindedness. :cow:

I'm sorry but I am not ruling out your itemized list.... but simply saying that factually speaking some of it is rather peripheral in nature and not exactly constructive insofar as facts go... I am sure that some may find it helpful.... but some I feel will not... but thats ok... we are all here with good intentions .... so whatever works for one may not work for all...

I actually do not believe MSM is factual, ..... but thats just me.... and your list is not actually a list of facts IMO. But I do see why you have listed these things from your perspective.

When I have more time I will post a list but my list is somewhat restricted due to the very well placed site rules...

I do not see an abundance of circumstantial evidence.. I see an awful lot of suggestion and speculation..... so I suppose that is why I am trying to sift though and find the actual bones of the case. I can only sleuth with what makes sense to me...as I am sure others do with what makes sense to them... so I guess it all comes down to our senses and how we deduce.

Convictions should only be based on direct evidence peppered with circumstantial evidence IMO not vice versa JMO


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[Blomquist]

"If an innocent person was accused of such a horrific crime, that they would want to scream from the roof tops that it wasn't me".

Totally agree with this statement personally.

Yes I agree.... unless of course in doing so it would cause a problem for ones family and/or friend(s), or themselves. Even inside a jail you are not safe if someone wants to 'deal with you'. And also as I have mentioned before.... it would not be wise to go to prosecution at this point when you are in a defendant position. Better to work through lawyer JMO

 

[Juballee]

"If an innocent person was accused of such a horrific crime, that they would want to scream from the roof tops that it wasn't me".

Totally agree with this statement personally.

For someone who has never been in jail before, perhaps he is only going by what is generally known about prison, because everyone knows what happens to rats in jail. Perhaps he feels it is safer for him to wait for LE to start to uncover the truth on their own rather than to be killed for being a rat?

 

[robynhood]

Juballee....curious...I have a question for you from post# 696....How can someone get killed when they are in solitary confinement like DM ?...he is "heavily GUARDED"..his own lawyer said he has 1/2 hour out a day....Can you kindly answer with all due RESPECT to your post....thanking you in advance Robynhood!

 

[Juballee]

Juballee....curious...I have a question for you from post# 696....How can someone get killed when they are in solitary confinement like DM ?...he is "heavily GUARDED"..his own lawyer said he has 1/2 hour out a day....Can you kindly answer with all due RESPECT to your post....thanking you in advance Robynhood!

Like DM, I have never been in jail before, so I cannot answer your question, perhaps pose it to someone who has. All I know is that people, especially rats, do die in custody, occasionally.

 

[Blomquist]

Like DM, I have never been in jail before, so I cannot answer your question, perhaps pose it to someone who has. All I know is that people, especially rats, do die in custody, occasionally.

Absolutely, and not only that but their families/friends have been known to pay the price also... jmo

 

[robynhood]

Solitary Confinement..... google.

<modsnip>


It will give you a clear pic as to where DM is and how difficulty it would be for Anyone to HURT HIM THERE.

JFYI....a guard is outside 24/7...a little difficult task to be hurt in there!

SO if I was DM and innocent I would be talking fast ..JIMO...First Degree Murder charges is a very NASTY CHARGE against an INNOCENT person.....again IMO...robyhood....have a great day it is beautiful in S> ONT....bye for now fellow sleuthers....robynhood!