General Discussion and Theories #3

[Alethea Dice]

I just had to post this snippet which made me :lol: I got this vision of DP in the dark. Something tells me he's not up to snuff on his own client's case. After the very lengthy original interrogation where LE wanted DM to talk and he wouldn't, but decided to go with his right to remain silent; I had this vision of a few detectives briefly asking each other "should we ask him about LB"? Scratching and shaking their heads saying "WTH are we thinking. He wouldn't talk in that first interview, to heck with him, we'll gather the evidence without him. Look what we've found for evidence already without his lies. We don't need to talk to him, he had his one and only chance". :moo:

Tom Dungey, hung up on the Spectator. I bet he did! :floorlaugh: But they probably got more than they bargained for from DP.

Millard's lawyer, Deepak Paradkar, said he was not aware of the search, adding Millard has never been interviewed about Babcock's disappearance.

"They haven't updated me, my client hasn't been questioned, so we don't know," Paradkar told the Star.

Smich's lawyer, Tom Dungey, hung up on the Spectator when reached Monday afternoon.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4070753-toronto-police-back-at-farm-where-bosma-s-remains-found/

FWIW, I don't recall LE ever confirming whether DM said anything before DP arrived on the scene. Only that DP said he is exercising his right to remain silent, as he was advised.

Kavanagh wouldn't say if Millard is co-operating with police, and told reporters that police are still searching for at least two more suspects.

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/05/14/hamilton-bosma-search-kitchener-waterloo.html?cmp=rss

JMO

 

[MsSherlock]

FWIW, I don't recall LE ever confirming whether DM said anything before DP arrived on the scene. Only that DP said he is exercising his right to remain silent, as he was advised.



http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/05/14/hamilton-bosma-search-kitchener-waterloo.html?cmp=rss

JMO

Alethia, pointing to your last quote about 3 suspects and link, IMO, Kavanagh later stated that they were starting to question the 3rd suspect and that it may have been just DM & MS.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ird-suspect-in-bosma-killing/article12370401/

 

[swedie]

FWIW, I don't recall LE ever confirming whether DM said anything before DP arrived on the scene. Only that DP said he is exercising his right to remain silent, as he was advised.



http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/05/14/hamilton-bosma-search-kitchener-waterloo.html?cmp=rss

JMO

Maybe something DP blurps here will shed some light on that. I find it very telling what DP says at 1:15. DP is saying DM is not talking but other sources are. Hmmm wonder who those other sources are? IMHO doesn't matter if DM uses his constitutional right. LE can and are solving this case without his help. Then again, why would he help solidify his involvement anyhow? To deny involvement I believe will be proven otherwise. So he may as well remain silent which most guilty people do anyway. (Reminds me of MR's refusal to talk ) LE are not going to pin the blame on someone who can help them solve a crime, if they are truly not involved. They are more than happy to gain any and all information they can to find the the guilty parties and put them away as opposed to an innocent person who is assisting them. I don't understand this whole stigma some are going on where they believe interrogators are looking to just pin the blame on the first guy picked up. Just think of how much more overcrowded jails and prisons would be if that were the case. Innocent people are more than happy to assist in making sure the right criminals get caught and pay for their crimes. Just as LE is also.

For someone who is supposedly intelligent, wouldn't you think DM would know this? Maybe now that he's been reading up on law while in jail, he has learnt this and is now going to assist? After all it's only two days away from his next court appearance. Maybe he's gotten smart enough to realize MS could throw him under the bus by studying these law books. MHO.

In the video at approximately 1:15, he is exercising his blah, blah, blah. Information has been provided through other sources to assist the police in their investigation is what I can say.

Then at 2:50ish a reporter asks, has he said anything about where TB is? DP answers, he can't make any comment with respect to that blah, blah, blah, we're waiting to see what the police have on these other potential suspects.

Then at 4:00 reporter asks, are you anticipating any further charges on your client? DP answers, At this point, I'm not anticipating any further charges on my client. He's charged with what he's charged with and the police will lay whatever charges blah, blah.

Then DP yacks about the wonderful person DM is and says he's a very well balanced young man, good head on her shoulders. :floorlaugh: DP doesn't seem to know if his client is male or female. :blushing:

AND for you SillyBilly :drumroll: at 6:10 reporter asks, have you ever met him before this incident? DP answers No, I had a brief meeting with him on an unrelated matter through another client but it has nothing to do with this case.

And upon answering that question, DP kinda turns away from the reporter and camera, licking his lips very nervous like as it he's saying to himself "OH *****...TOO MUCH INFO. Reaches down for his briefcase and wants to get the heck outta there. :facepalm: :doh::silly:

http://www.cp24.com/news/lawyer-for...-will-plead-100-per-cent-not-guilty-1.1279416

 

[swedie]

Why would they look for the truck on the farm? They already had it before they started the first farm search on the Monday after the arrest. DM was arrested on Friday, the truck was identified on Sunday, and TB was found on Monday.

Just because they didn't have a search warrant in hand until Monday to enter the property, doesn't mean they were not on the road or in the neighbour's yard using binoculars, or had that nosy neighbour tresspass for them. Nosy neighbour had pictures of the incinerator...and what else? Maybe they were doing fly overs. HTH and :moo:

 

[swedie]

Great! So now you've got me wondering if one of our sleuths planted something when they were visiting it the other day! :floorlaugh: I am joking, don't start throwing rotten fruit at me yet. But seriously, DP may end up thanking the sleuth who highly recommended to everyone (on the www) who is able to or feels up to going and seeing the farm for themselves, and how secluded it really is, to go and do so yesterday. That timing is hilarious, in my opinion.

How bizarre was that eh?! :floorlaugh: Yes maybe I just happened to plant a year old decaying body in that barn with the help of my two kiddies and hubby. :floorlaugh: Was very difficult to do from the side of the road in broad daylight with the neighbours out in their yard watching me. I'm sure I have not the first gocker to pull over and check out the scenery. Certainly won't be the last either. Today and tomorrow there will be numerous. Maybe one day I'll have to head out there again. Next time I will plan ahead and take my camera to get pictures to share on WS. :woohoo:

 

[redheart]

Just because they didn't have a search warrant in hand until Monday to enter the property, doesn't mean they were not on the road or in the neighbour's yard using binoculars, or had that nosy neighbour tresspass for them. Nosy neighbour had pictures of the incinerator...and what else? Maybe they were doing fly overs. HTH and :moo:

There was a lot of air activity in the days when the property was first searched. My DH saw a number of helicopters from where he was (few kms away), but couldn't make out whether they were LE or news - probably some of both.

 

[Juballee]

Just because they didn't have a search warrant in hand until Monday to enter the property, doesn't mean they were not on the road or in the neighbour's yard using binoculars, or had that nosy neighbour tresspass for them. Nosy neighbour had pictures of the incinerator...and what else? Maybe they were doing fly overs. HTH and :moo:

Are you suggesting cops would encourage a civilian to break the law by performing their duties for them while they were waiting for a warrant?

I think one of the helicopters flying overhead probably had a heat seeking camera to see if there was a living being there while they were waiting on their warrants, like the way they found the Boston Marathon bomber. I doubt the police would have waited until Monday if they thought that TB could be alive still somewhere on the property.

 

[MsSherlock]

Are you suggesting cops would encourage a civilian to break the law by performing their duties for them while they were waiting for a warrant?

I think one of the helicopters flying overhead probably had a heat seeking camera to see if there was a living being there while they were waiting on their warrants, like the way they found the Boston Marathon bomber. I doubt the police would have waited until Monday if they thought that TB could be alive still somewhere on the property.

Juballee, as far as I'm aware, obtaining search warrants may take a bit of time and from the article this quote came from they speak of "warrants". IMO that means they had to obtain more than 1 warrant. IMO, there findings were quick. Perhaps when they were trailing DM on the day they arrested him he visited the farm? Perhaps they had him under surveillance for a couple days before his arrest and had seen enough that they knew they had to make sure their warrants were squeaky clean. MOO

“We are convinced by the totality of the evidence that these are the remnants of Tim Bosma," De Caire told reporters. "The evidence indicates that the remains have been burned."
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/hamilton-police-confirm-death-timothy-bosma-142721901.html

Special attention to "remnants"...MOO

 

[Juballee]

Juballee, as far as I'm aware, obtaining search warrants may take a bit of time and from the article this quote came from they speak of "warrants". IMO that means they had to obtain more than 1 warrant. IMO, there findings were quick. Perhaps when they were trailing DM on the day they arrested him he visited the farm? Perhaps they had him under surveillance for a couple days before his arrest and had seen enough that they knew they had to make sure their warrants were squeaky clean. MOO

“We are convinced by the totality of the evidence that these are the remnants of Tim Bosma," De Caire told reporters. "The evidence indicates that the remains have been burned."
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/hamilton-police-confirm-death-timothy-bosma-142721901.html

Special attention to "remnants"...MOO

I would like to think that if I were missing, the police wouldn't wait around for days following people and then wait around for a few more days for a warrant before searching for me if I could be held hostage somewhere or be injured or about to be killed. Something about that doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Archangel7]

I would like to think that if I were missing, the police wouldn't wait around for days following people and then wait around for a few more days for a warrant before searching for me if I could be held hostage somewhere or be injured or about to be killed. Something about that doesn't make sense to me.

You seem to be under the assumption that time -wise the police would be looking for a "live" you in your above example, thus some urgency for your well being and thus hurriedly obtaining a warrant.

1)Maybe the body had been discovered by neighbors earlier 2) maybe there was no chance of body being disturbed 3) maybe since there was now no life saving urgency, they strategized on getting all resources ready 3) Maybe the necessary parties/resources were finally available Monday and ready to move.

One can read between the lines from there for the details...

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

AND for you SillyBilly :drumroll: at 6:10 reporter asks, have you ever met him before this incident? DP answers No, I had a brief meeting with him on an unrelated matter through another client but it has nothing to do with this case.

Thanks swedie ... I knew i'd heard or seen it before.

Well "no .. yes"?? :floorlaugh:

Given DP's penchant for contradiction ... why does something keep banging around in my head about that heroin case client that DP represented. Dude from Stoney Creek but he and his bud were arrested at Derry Rd and Torbram in Mississauga. Lemme see .. about 500m from DM's Derry Rd addy.

Well "maybe ... maybe not"

 

[Sillybilly]

Next time I will plan ahead and take my camera to get pictures to share on WS. :woohoo:

Next time, take a little note to tuck in the barn, nicely forged from DM's jailhouse letter ... simply say "You got me! ... BigD"

 

[Archangel7]

Smells almost exactly like something I've smelled before.....like a retainer, and OC retainer......"no...yes"
must be just me.....

 

[Sillybilly]

Smells almost exactly like something I've smelled before.....like a retainer, and OC retainer......"no...yes"
must be just me.....

Ya .. it's you .. or not

(New google translator soon to be available for "defence speak")

 

[Juballee]

You seem to be under the assumption that time -wise the police would be looking for a "live" you in your above example, thus some urgency for your well being and thus hurriedly obtaining a warrant.

1)Maybe the body had been discovered by neighbors earlier 2) maybe there was no chance of body being disturbed 3) maybe since there was now no life saving urgency, they strategized on getting all resources ready 3) Maybe the necessary parties/resources were finally available Monday and ready to move.

One can read between the lines from there for the details...

JMO

I would hope police were looking for a live me optimistically.

I think if the neighbours couldn't keep it to themselves that they found an incinerator, that they would have been tweeting that they found a body to go with it, or a pile of ashes or whatnot.

In my opinion, unless the body were already secured by LE, they could not assume it could not be disturbed by even a wild animal.

Were we, the public, not being encouraged to look for TB up until the discovery of his body? Wouldn't it discourage the public from looking for missing persons next time if we were to find out that they knew for some time where his body was but encouraged us to search anyway? Then anytime someone was missing, we'd have to wonder if they were already found, and soon no one would bother looking, sort of a cry wolf thing.

I should hope in a big case like a missing person, that we wouldn't be waiting for certain parties or resources for days, were they too busy looking for other recently missing people to assist in his search? Do police dogs have a union that forbids them from working weekends?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Remember that at the same time LE was seeking warrants to search the property they were also setting up wiretaps and getting phone data off the burner phone (production orders) so not everything was tied to a physical address

I believe that when they announced TB"s death they said they had 15 warrants/production orders on the go

 

[MsSherlock]

I would hope police were looking for a live me optimistically.

I think if the neighbours couldn't keep it to themselves that they found an incinerator, that they would have been tweeting that they found a body to go with it, or a pile of ashes or whatnot.

In my opinion, unless the body were already secured by LE, they could not assume it could not be disturbed by even a wild animal.

Were we, the public, not being encouraged to look for TB up until the discovery of his body? Wouldn't it discourage the public from looking for missing persons next time if we were to find out that they knew for some time where his body was but encouraged us to search anyway? Then anytime someone was missing, we'd have to wonder if they were already found, and soon no one would bother looking, sort of a cry wolf thing.

I should hope in a big case like a missing person, that we wouldn't be waiting for certain parties or resources for days, were they too busy looking for other recently missing people to assist in his search? Do police dogs have a union that forbids them from working weekends?

Juballee, IMO, all of Southern Ontario was actively looking for TB, however, it wasn't until DM was arrested and the press conference, that the pieces to the puzzle started to go together and LE was swamped with tips. IMO, LE had to properly attain the warrants, which they did.

There were 3 police departments involved. HPS, OPP and Waterloo if my memory serves me correctly. As stated by DP, DM was exercising his constitutional right to silence, and they were waiting to see what the police came up with. They were still searching for the truck! IMHO, the tips didn't start pouring in until they released DM's name to the public. "Hey, it's our neighbor" "Hey, it's our boss" "Hey, I knew his dad" "Hey, he owns that farm" "He's got the hangar!". IMO, HPS have acted with great care to make sure that the evidence they have collected has been done within all the confines of the law and can rest assured that the perps will not be walking away on a technicality. MOO

 

[Archangel7]

In my opinion, unless the body were already secured by LE, they could not assume it could not be disturbed by even a wild animal.

rsbm, bbm

Hard for an animal to get inside an incinerator, if that was the case.

Were we, the public, not being encouraged to look for TB up until the discovery of his body? Wouldn't it discourage the public from looking for missing persons next time if we were to find out that they knew for some time where his body was but encouraged us to search anyway? Then anytime someone was missing, we'd have to wonder if they were already found, and soon no one would bother looking, sort of a cry wolf thing.

LE is under no obligation to keep you personally up to speed on a minute by minute basis on their investigation.

I should hope in a big case like a missing person, that we wouldn't be waiting for certain parties or resources for days, were they too busy looking for other recently missing people to assist in his search? Do police dogs have a union that forbids them from working weekends?

Maybe they had to arrange for the discoverer of the body to be released from Dr. care in order to get testimony before the Judge issuing the Warrant.

Maybe they needed specific special help(if the body was found, and it was found inside incinerator) to retrieve without compromising evidence.

Or maybe it simply took many tries until a Judge was finally convinced enough to allow his signature on a warrant. Warrants are extremely specific and are made so in order to protect your rights and prevent "fishing" expeditions by the "state".

Yes, dogs and handlers are sometimes unavailable and I have experienced that several times during my Patrol days. Also many dept. have drug dogs, not cadaver dogs.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Alethia, pointing to your last quote about 3 suspects and link, IMO, Kavanagh later stated that they were starting to question the 3rd suspect and that it may have been just DM & MS.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ird-suspect-in-bosma-killing/article12370401/

Yes, I do realize this. But the link, and my comment, was in reference to the part about Kavanagh not confirming whether DM was talking or not (prior to DP arriving). It had nothing to do with how many suspects.

HTH

 

[Arnie M]

I would like to ask the neighbors if DM ever flew his Bell 47G2 Helicopter around his farm


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