General Discussion and Theories #4

[Tamarind]

It was actually March of 2012 when LB pressed charges against DA. The alleged assault took place a month before.



http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/07/dellen_millard_murder_of_laura_babcock_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

Thanks cansleuther. So did she meet him in Dec 2011? The charges against DA were only a few months before she went missing then. Interesting.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Getting rid of a dog may make someones life a little easier for travelling, but surely getting rid of your money would make it more difficult. I have never managed to travel without funds. JMO

She was apparently also going to travel without a passport, so not leaving the country. She either left her passport with her parents (http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2014/04/before-tim-bosma-the-original-investigations-into-laura-babcock-and-wayne-millard.html) or she had left it in a bar a couple of years before and had never gone back to retrieve it (according to the Help Find Laura FB page on May 22, 2013).

I wonder why the uncle thought the wedding date was a "bit of a troublemaker", when he didn't even know who that date was going to be at the time?

“She said he’d be taking her travelling for a little bit. She was impressed that he was a good photographer and had money and a good-looking fella,” Ryan said about the new flame he now believes was Millard. Babcock never showed up to the wedding.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/07/dellen_millard_murder_of_laura_babcock_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

Personally, I don't think I would refer to DM as either a pilot or a photographer from what we've seen so far.

JMO

 

[Juballee]

Thanks cansleuther. So did she meet him in Dec 2011? The charges against DA were only a few months before she went missing then. Interesting.

To me it seems odd that LE not only didn't follow up on her phone records but also didn't seem to look into the fact that she had recently accused someone of assult.

 

[MsSherlock]

To me it seems odd that LE not only didn't follow up on her phone records but also didn't seem to look into the fact that she had recently accused someone of assult.

I tell ya, that DM has the worse luck I've ever seen!! If I'm to follow the jest of this thread, I'd almost think that I'm suppose to believe that I should suspect a disgruntled BF of LB's who obviously belonged to the "Frame DM Association" 'cause it sure sounds like she ended up an hour away from home in DM's incinerator. Talk about timing!! DM's getting it delivered while an ex kills LB, and the ex knows the best way to get rid of the body, or maybe LB found her way out to the incinerator- help me out folks, was the ex psychic or did LB fire that sucker up and jump in? MOO

"And that he also murdered Laura Babcock and incinerated her body — just as he allegedly did with Tim Bosma. "

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...ed-bosma-killer-s-girlfriend-was-incinerated/

 

[Tamarind]

I tell ya, that DM has the worse luck I've ever seen!! If I'm to follow the jest of this thread, I'd almost think that I'm suppose to believe that I should suspect a disgruntled BF of LB's who obviously belonged to the "Frame DM Association" 'cause it sure sounds like she ended up an hour away from home in DM's incinerator.

I think it makes perfect sense that the abusive ex should have been a suspect at the very least. IMO.
What is the Frame DM Association?

Talk about timing!! DM's getting it delivered while an ex kills LB, and the ex knows the best way to get rid of the body, or maybe LB found her way out to the incinerator- help me out folks, was the ex psychic or did LB fire that sucker up and jump in? MOO

"And that he also murdered Laura Babcock and incinerated her body — just as he allegedly did with Tim Bosma. "

More information is needed, police can believe whatever they like , but without proof it remains a belief, and not a fact. IMO

 

[Juballee]

I tell ya, that DM has the worse luck I've ever seen!! If I'm to follow the jest of this thread, I'd almost think that I'm suppose to believe that I should suspect a disgruntled BF of LB's who obviously belonged to the "Frame DM Association" 'cause it sure sounds like she ended up an hour away from home in DM's incinerator. Talk about timing!! DM's getting it delivered while an ex kills LB, and the ex knows the best way to get rid of the body, or maybe LB found her way out to the incinerator- help me out folks, was the ex psychic or did LB fire that sucker up and jump in? MOO

"And that he also murdered Laura Babcock and incinerated her body — just as he allegedly did with Tim Bosma. "

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...ed-bosma-killer-s-girlfriend-was-incinerated/

Please point out the post that accuses the former boyfriend with the assult charge of framing DM, I must have missed that, despite, as you suggest, it being the jist of this thread.

Personally, I merely pointed out that I think that it's odd that LE didn't follow up on an allegedly abusive ex who still had charges pending against him when the missing person report was filed. If Law and Order has taught me anything, it is that the exes would be the first people that LE would look at, especially one with a pending assault charge filed by the missing person . I also find it odd that not being able to reach the victim before the trial where they were to testify to an assault against them would not raise a red flag or two, but may just get the charges dismissed.

 

[MsSherlock]

Please point out the post that accuses the former boyfriend with the assult charge of framing DM, I must have missed that, despite, as you suggest, it being the jist of this thread.

Personally, I merely pointed out that I think that it's odd that LE didn't follow up on an allegedly abusive ex who still had charges pending against him when the missing person report was filed. If Law and Order has taught me anything, it is that the exes would be the first people that LE would look at, especially one with a pending assault charge filed by the missing person . I also find it odd that not being able to reach the victim before the trial where they were to testify to an assault against them would not raise a red flag or two, but may just get the charges dismissed.

IMHO, it's totally unnecessary to muddy the waters with an ex assaulting LB considering that LE seem to have enough grounds to get a direct indictment against DM & MS for the murder of LB- with the belief that just like TB, she also took a trip in the Eliminator. I can believe that TPS's is totally incompetent, but I have a hard time believing that the OPP MCU shares in that incompetency.
LB's BF at that time had agreed to pay her money for a vet bill on the puppy she had gotten him. Reports are that she was pressing him for the money and things got a bit crazy. The point I'm making is that there's no doubt this physical altercation happened. IMHO, the big question is "where" would she have gotten the money for the vet bill? If she was soooooo soooooo soooooo broke and down on her luck, it's pretty amazing to me that she would somehow conjure up 4K to pay the vet? Was someone pressing her for repayment? Now that I think about it, perhaps DM was renting out his incinerator on Kijiji or something and the loan shark took him up on his offer? How coincidental would that be? But that doesn't even make sense, because IIRC, the incinerator was delivered after LB was murdered. MOO

 

[Tamarind]

IMHO, it's totally unnecessary to muddy the waters with an ex assaulting LB considering that LE seem to have enough grounds to get a direct indictment against DM & MS for the murder of LB- with the belief that just like TB, she also took a trip in the Eliminator. I can believe that TPS's is totally incompetent, but I have a hard time believing that the OPP MCU shares in that incompetency.

I think the waters get muddied about many things during discussion about the case on here. I do think it is a valid point that LE did not follow up on a missing person (LB) and that they didn't open a file and speak to people that may have known where she was. An abusive ex would have normally been one of the first people to be interviewed IMO. Charges can be laid based on the words of one person ie. woman calls police on husband and says she was beaten. Someone says that someone else is harassing them and gives a lengthy statement ( true or false). Store owner calls police and says someone robbed his store, blames guy across street in jeans and white t shirt as thats what the alleged thief was wearing. Police lay charges based on beliefs all the time. The trial is where any facts should be revealed or uncovered by way of questioning.

LB's BF at that time had agreed to pay her money for a vet bill on the puppy she had gotten him. Reports are that she was pressing him for the money and things got a bit crazy. The point I'm making is that there's no doubt this physical altercation happened. IMHO, the big question is "where" would she have gotten the money for the vet bill? If she was soooooo soooooo soooooo broke and down on her luck, it's pretty amazing to me that she would somehow conjure up 4K to pay the vet? Was someone pressing her for repayment? Now that I think about it, perhaps DM was renting out his incinerator on Kijiji or something and the loan shark took him up on his offer? How coincidental would that be? But that doesn't even make sense, because IIRC, the incinerator was delivered after LB was murdered. MOO

LB had been working according to SL, maybe she had saved money from work, maybe she withdrew from a credit card or maybe she borrowed from people she knew. She seemed to know quite a lot of people judging by her Facebook page, and thats not including any that may have removed themselves.

 

[swedie]

Funny, all the pilots I know are not normal working class guys, if there even is such a thing. The cost of having a second car in the driveway is usually mitigated by the second person in the house needing that car to go to work, and in turn helping to pay for that car. One guy who owns two cars just for his personal use would not be considered a normal working class guy, in my opinion. And again, when you are sleeping on couches and asking exes for favours, any guy with a good paying job could seem wealthy to you, it's a relative opinion.

I don't care care how romantic the retreat is, a woman who is going to go on a vacation without any of her own money is asking for trouble. When is the last time anyone here went away on a vacation and left all their money behind in a shoebox? And if you were planning on coming back for the money, wouldn't you have to tell someone, with a note saying that you will be back and not to spend it, perhaps?

To me, the acts of dropping off her worldly possessions with her family is a classic sign of impending suicide. It is a way of cutting ties to the world, because the person knows that where they are going they will not need valuables ever again. If she had not dropped her beloved dog off at her family's home, if she had been staying in a hotel, and had committed suicide in a way where her body was not found immediately, what would have been the immediate outcome? No one would have been there to care for her dog, it would have gotten hungry and soiled the carpet. Other guests would have complained when it barked, and management would have gone in, and tried to contact her. When they couldn't contact her, they would have taken the dog to the humane society where it would have been put up for adoption, and her contents would be held for a short time and then disposed of. The shoebox full of money would have disappeared at some point, no doubt.

She dropped her stuff off at home because she was settling her affairs in my opinion. It not something you do before you go on vacation, or are murdered, it is something you do before committing suicide.

WARNING SIGNS OF SUICIDE

1. Expressing suicidal feelings directly or bringing up the topic of suicide.
   
2. Giving away prized possessions, settling affairs, making out a will.
   

http://www.ovhs.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/WARNING-SIGNS-OF-SUICIDE.pdf

Edit: I had my post three quarters typed out earlier today and ended up leaving home for some hours. Upon returning just recently, I finished and posted it. I read through the dozen or so post that accumulated and found it interesting how some of my comments matched up to others theories/opinions :giggle:

I know a couple pilot who are normal/average, working class people. My father was one years ago. It was one of his hobbies to book/rent a four seat Cessna and go flying. The pilots I know now do the same. You don't have to buy a plane, you can rent them according to your needs or desires. HTH.

The suicide theory...I don't buy it, BUT IF LB committed suicide,wouldn't her body have been found eventually, or her belongings? I guess unless she did it in the company of someone and they obliterated her remains by incinerating or somehow disposing of them. Sources, yes sources, suggest LB met the same fate as TB. But why would someone do such a thing if they had no part or hand in her suicide? Or did they have a hand in it; a gun, drugs? DM didn't have a problem calling 911 (or whoever called), when his father allegedly committed suicide. Why not call in LB's case? I would not consider using the excuse of fear for DM not calling 911 in LB's case, if that's what happened. I really don't think DM knows what fear is, he is too arrogant for that. Maybe now being in jail though, he has learned fear and his reason for segregation? LE have evidence to prove LB was murdered and it will be very interesting to see what that evidence is and how everything played out. The direct indictment is a great indication someone is guilty of murdering her IMO.

I believe all those calls between her and DM were because she was looking for drugs and a place to stay. IMO I think DM was accommodating in the past and that is why she felt she could ask again.
Wherever LB was planning on going next to reside, she couldn't take her dog with her and couldn't find anyone to take her dog for her, to her, the only option she had was to drop the dog off at her parent's house knowing they would care for her dog. LB could have taken her dog to a shelter, but I assume she was hoping to get her back one day when she found a more permanent residence. Did DM agree to accommodate her but not her dog? Dig DM's dog and cat (?) not get along with LB's dog? Perhaps at that time, she wasn't on good speaking terms with her parents and didn't want to face them and have confrontation, had she called requesting they take her dog. This way, by just dropping her off, when they were not home, was the less confrontational way of doing it.

I still think there is something quite bizarre regarding that shoebox of money. Was it her money or money she had stolen or was given to her by someone else (proceeds of crime)? Did she or someone else drop off her dog and the shoe box? SL had put her up at the motel. One article said he paid, but others say he put her up. Does that mean he was the one who found the motel for her which allowed dogs, or did he actually pay for the room, maybe both? If LB had this shoebox full of money, why didn't she pay for the motel room herself? IF this was LB's money, she came into it pretty quick. Unless she had been saving up and didn't tell anyone such as SL. But then again, we have no idea what the amount of money was in the shoebox so...

DM was "playing" CN and LB at the same time. Who knows, perhaps there were more women he was "playing" besides CN and LB during that time. His ex? I suspect although CN and LB were friends, there was some competition going on between them to win DM over. It seems CN won him over and LB had to go in DM's sick mind. Was the shoebox money hush money?
ALL MOO.

Noudga has been involved with Millard since the summer of 2011 although he continued to see other women. He also remained in touch with his ex-fiancee who was with him and his mother on the night police were called to investigate the death of Wayne Millard.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/christina-noudga

Noudga was also a friend of Laura Babcock, who disappeared in the summer of 2012 and made her last mobile phone calls to Dellen Millard. According to a friend of Babcock, Laura had told Noudga that she and Millard had become more than just friends.

Noudga was a member of the “Help Us Find Laura” Facebook group before she took her profile down.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/201...ssory-to-tim-bosmas-murder-after-the-fac.html

Laura Babcock, a missing Toronto woman police say he was “romantically linked” with.

Noudga was Millard’s girlfriend at the time of the Bosma murder.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...ather-and-missing-toronto-woman-laura-babcock

Lerner paid for her to stay at the Days Inn motel at Queen St. W. and Roncesvalles Ave.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...e_she_was_reported_missing_police_allege.html

Lerner put her up in the Days Inn motel, now a Howard Johnson Hotel, at Queen St. W. and Roncesvalles Ave. He picked up Babcock, now blond, for dinner on June 26. It was the last time he saw her.

On June 30, unbeknownst to her friends, Babcock’s parents came home to find Lacey and a shoebox full of cash, but not their daughter. In hindsight, friends say Babcock’s abandonment of Lacey was ominous. They worried about suicide.

The next day, Babcock contacted high school friend Nicole MacLeod, again looking for a place to stay. She told MacLeod she had ditched her beloved pet because the dog had become too much of a burden.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ck_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

Definitions which could relate to LB's case. MOO.
In brief, first degree murder is premeditated and/or while:
Irrespective of whether a murder is planned and deliberate on the part of any person, murder is first degree murder in respect of a person when the death is caused by that person while committing or attempting to commit an offence under one of the following sections:
- sexual assault
- sexual assault with a weapon, threats to a third party or causing bodily harm
- aggravated sexual assault
- forcible confinement

Or criminal organization may be the case in LB's case
Irrespective of whether a murder is planned and deliberate on the part of a person, murder is first degree murder when
- the death is caused by that person for the benefit of, at the direction of or in association with a criminal organization; or
- the death is caused by that person while committing or attempting to commit an indictable offence at the direction of or in association with a criminal organization.

Or Intimidation
Irrespective of whether a murder is planned and deliberate on the part of a person, murder is first degree murder when the death is caused by that person while committing or attempting to commit an offence under section 423.1.

ALL MOO.

 

[swedie]

Please point out the post that accuses the former boyfriend with the assult charge of framing DM, I must have missed that, despite, as you suggest, it being the jist of this thread.

Personally, I merely pointed out that I think that it's odd that LE didn't follow up on an allegedly abusive ex who still had charges pending against him when the missing person report was filed. If Law and Order has taught me anything, it is that the exes would be the first people that LE would look at, especially one with a pending assault charge filed by the missing person . I also find it odd that not being able to reach the victim before the trial where they were to testify to an assault against them would not raise a red flag or two, but may just get the charges dismissed.

My hinky meter tells me DA was perhaps questioned by LE, cooperated, spoke to them, who knows, maybe he had a solid alibi. His charges were dropped in September, two to two and a half months after LB was reported missing. I would think that's sufficient time for LE to investigate DA. I believe he was cleared for good reason, just as the AG bypassed the PH in LB case but that's just MOO.

Court records show all the charges were withdrawn that September — after Babcock disappeared.

Austerweil denies all of the now dismissed allegations.

He says after Babock punched him repeatedly during their fight, he hit the wall beside her head. His broken finger, and the bumps still on Babcock’s head from the shoplifting incident, made it look like he had hit her, Austerweil said. He said he had sex with Babcock that night but never touched her friend. He admits to having a problem with drugs, for which he went to rehab. He says he’s clean now.

It’s not clear why the charges were dropped.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ck_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

 

[Sillybilly]

It’s not clear why the charges were dropped.

<rsbm>

I would think charges were withdrawn when LB, as a Crown witness, was missing and not available to testify in court.

 

[Juballee]

<rsbm>

I would think charges were withdrawn when LB, as a Crown witness, was missing and not available to testify in court.

Which again, I think should have been a huge red flag for LE at the time. If the easiest way of avoiding a trial and jail time is to have the victim disappear, I think that leaves a lot of incentive to make victims vanish. This is not an accusation, just an opinion.

 

[Juballee]

The suicide theory...I don't buy it, BUT IF LB committed suicide,wouldn't her body have been found eventually, or her belongings? I guess unless she did it in the company of someone and they obliterated her remains by incinerating or somehow disposing of them. Sources, yes sources, suggest LB met the same fate as TB. But why would someone do such a thing if they had no part or hand in her suicide? Or did they have a hand in it; a gun, drugs? DM didn't have a problem calling 911 (or whoever called), when his father allegedly committed suicide. Why not call in LB's case? I would not consider using the excuse of fear for DM not calling 911 in LB's case, if that's what happened. I really don't think DM knows what fear is, he is too arrogant for that. Maybe now being in jail though, he has learned fear and his reason for segregation? LE have evidence to prove LB was murdered and it will be very interesting to see what that evidence is and how everything played out. The direct indictment is a great indication someone is guilty of murdering her IMO.

I believe all those calls between her and DM were because she was looking for drugs and a place to stay. IMO I think DM was accommodating in the past and that is why she felt she could ask again.
Wherever LB was planning on going next to reside, she couldn't take her dog with her and couldn't find anyone to take her dog for her, to her, the only option she had was to drop the dog off at her parent's house knowing they would care for her dog. LB could have taken her dog to a shelter, but I assume she was hoping to get her back one day when she found a more permanent residence. Did DM agree to accommodate her but not her dog? Dig DM's dog and cat (?) not get along with LB's dog? Perhaps at that time, she wasn't on good speaking terms with her parents and didn't want to face them and have confrontation, had she called requesting they take her dog. This way, by just dropping her off, when they were not home, was the less confrontational way of doing it.

I still think there is something quite bizarre regarding that shoebox of money. Was it her money or money she had stolen or was given to her by someone else (proceeds of crime)? Did she or someone else drop off her dog and the shoe box? SL had put her up at the motel. One article said he paid, but others say he put her up. Does that mean he was the one who found the motel for her which allowed dogs, or did he actually pay for the room, maybe both? If LB had this shoebox full of money, why didn't she pay for the motel room herself? IF this was LB's money, she came into it pretty quick. Unless she had been saving up and didn't tell anyone such as SL. But then again, we have no idea what the amount of money was in the shoebox so...

DM was "playing" CN and LB at the same time. Who knows, perhaps there were more women he was "playing" besides CN and LB during that time. His ex? I suspect although CN and LB were friends, there was some competition going on between them to win DM over. It seems CN won him over and LB had to go in DM's sick mind. Was the shoebox money hush money?
ALL MOO.



ALL MOO.

RSBM

These are so many assumptions in these theories, I don't know where to begin.

Although I have heard of people who commit suicide whose bodies are not recovered for years (remember Miriam Makhniashvili? Her body was found years later, in a public area, after people actively beat bushes looking for her), I have never ever heard of someone who was going to commit suicide, and but then miraculously hooked up with a murderer who was willing to do it for them. What would be the point of that? How would one go about setting that up?

If DM was accommodating in the past to LB, as alledged above, where did her dog stay the other times he accommodated her? Why would a family of animal lovers suddenly turn away a dog in need? And didn't SL already put her up (which generally means he paid for it, btw) in a hotel where she could have her dog?

I agree with you that the shoebox of money is bizarre, and it doesn't match the other clues, unless she was going someplace where she knew money was not required and she was dropping it off as a way of settling her affairs. She had a hotel where she could keep her dog, she had someone else pay for it when she had a box full of money, and yet she was still calling around looking for a place to stay for free.

There is a big difference between 'playing' women and dating women, in my opinion. There are many different types of relationship options these days, many people have non-exclusive dating arrangements without it meaning that woman are being played for fools.

All my my opinion only.

 

[MsSherlock]

Which again, I think should have been a huge red flag for LE at the time. If the easiest way of avoiding a trial and jail time is to have the victim disappear, I think that leaves a lot of incentive to make victims vanish. This is not an accusation, just an opinion.

Considering that the ex has not been named in a DI for the murder of LB, and there has been no link between the ex and the incinerator, Millardair or either of the accused, I still don't understand where we're going with this. I do however have to make the assumption that LE have some solid evidence to believe that LB has been murdered and incinerated, and that the evidence was strong enough for the AG to issue a DI. The ex bf has never been named a POI, so IMHO, we shouldn't be suggesting he had a motive. MOO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

My hinky meter tells me DA was perhaps questioned by LE, cooperated, spoke to them, who knows, maybe he had a solid alibi. His charges were dropped in September, two to two and a half months after LB was reported missing. I would think that's sufficient time for LE to investigate DA. I believe he was cleared for good reason, just as the AG bypassed the PH in LB case but that's just MOO.

Court records show all the charges were withdrawn that September &#8212; after Babcock disappeared.

Austerweil denies all of the now dismissed allegations.

He says after Babock punched him repeatedly during their fight, he hit the wall beside her head. His broken finger, and the bumps still on Babcock&#8217;s head from the shoplifting incident, made it look like he had hit her, Austerweil said. He said he had sex with Babcock that night but never touched her friend. He admits to having a problem with drugs, for which he went to rehab. He says he&#8217;s clean now.

It&#8217;s not clear why the charges were dropped.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ck_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

Cocain, ecstasy, weed, alcohol AND sex between 3 persons during one single night - and all quite harmless ...??? :laughing:

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Please point out the post that accuses the former boyfriend with the assult charge of framing DM, I must have missed that, despite, as you suggest, it being the jist of this thread.

Personally, I merely pointed out that I think that it's odd that LE didn't follow up on an allegedly abusive ex who still had charges pending against him when the missing person report was filed. If Law and Order has taught me anything, it is that the exes would be the first people that LE would look at, especially one with a pending assault charge filed by the missing person . I also find it odd that not being able to reach the victim before the trial where they were to testify to an assault against them would not raise a red flag or two, but may just get the charges dismissed.

To SL it obviously also didn't raise a red flag - why actually?

 

[Alethea Dice]

Considering that the ex has not been named in a DI for the murder of LB, and there has been no link between the ex and the incinerator, Millardair or either of the accused, I still don't understand where we're going with this. I do however have to make the assumption that LE have some solid evidence to believe that LB has been murdered and incinerated, and that the evidence was strong enough for the AG to issue a DI. The ex bf has never been named a POI, so IMHO, we shouldn't be suggesting he had a motive. MOO

I don't read these posts as anyone making any kind of accusations against DA. It's more just wondering why this didn't put up some red flags to LE to perhaps start investigating LB's disappearance. One would think that when she was missing for the charges she had laid, they would at least look into why and find the missing person report. That alone should have prompted some interviews and questioning of both DA and all the people on her last phone bill.

I'm curious to see the evidence in LB's case and what they have that leads them to believe she was incinerated. LE has already confirmed that they found no other human remains (at the time of the search at least).

Hamilton police have confirmed that they are dealing with only a single set of human remains at the Waterloo region farm of Dellen Millard.
<snip>
In the last few days, police sources had told CBC News they believed they had found other remains on the property, but they were unsure if they were animal or human.

On Tuesday, Hamilton police Sgt. Matt Kavanagh said, "We're dealing with one set of human remains."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/only-1-set-of-human-remains-found-at-millard-farm-police-say-1.1335718

And according to SC's source, her body has never been recovered.

A source close to the investigation, who is not authorized to speak publicly, has told The Spectator that police believe Babcock met a similar fate. Her body has not been recovered, the source says.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4460278-clairmont-police-believe-body-of-accused-bosma-killer-s-girlfriend-was-incinerated/

With no remains and no body, I'm patiently waiting for what it is that connects the incinerator to her death.

JMO

 

[Juballee]

I don't read these posts as anyone making any kind of accusations against DA. It's more just wondering why this didn't put up some red flags to LE to perhaps start investigating LB's disappearance. One would think that when she was missing for the charges she had laid, they would at least look into why and find the missing person report. That alone should have prompted some interviews and questioning of both DA and all the people on her last phone bill.

I'm curious to see the evidence in LB's case and what they have that leads them to believe she was incinerated. LE has already confirmed that they found no other human remains (at the time of the search at least).



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitch...ns-found-at-millard-farm-police-say-1.1335718

And according to SC's source, her body has never been recovered.



http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...ed-bosma-killer-s-girlfriend-was-incinerated/

With no remains and no body, I'm patiently waiting for what it is that connects the incinerator to her death.

JMO

Thank You AD, that is exactly what I was wondering. It almost makes it seem as if the ball was dropped twice for poor Laura.

 

[Variant]

I don't read these posts as anyone making any kind of accusations against DA. It's more just wondering why this didn't put up some red flags to LE to perhaps start investigating LB's disappearance. One would think that when she was missing for the charges she had laid, they would at least look into why and find the missing person report. That alone should have prompted some interviews and questioning of both DA and all the people on her last phone bill.

I'm curious to see the evidence in LB's case and what they have that leads them to believe she was incinerated. LE has already confirmed that they found no other human remains (at the time of the search at least).



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/only-1-set-of-human-remains-found-at-millard-farm-police-say-1.1335718

And according to SC's source, her body has never been recovered.



http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4460278-clairmont-police-believe-body-of-accused-bosma-killer-s-girlfriend-was-incinerated/

With no remains and no body, I'm patiently waiting for what it is that connects the incinerator to her death.

JMO

Check your dictionary for the terms "human remains" and "cremated remains" which have specific definitions in Canadian law. Then note that the they said no human remains or body were found and wonder if they were being very precise and clever in what was said and reported.

 

[Tamarind]

Check your dictionary for the terms "human remains" and "cremated remains" which have specific definitions in Canadian law. Then note that the they said no human remains or body were found and wonder if they were being very precise and clever in what was said and reported.

Personally I don't think so. Cremated remains belonging to a human would still be human remains. Cremated remains belonging to an animal would still be animal remains IMO. Police said they were dealing with one set of human remains ( That's apparently TB, who was apparently incinerated). So even these remains are called human after being incinerated.