General Discussion and Theories

[Carli]

I see that the "Alternative Theories" thread has been locked.

 

[Snoofo]

I see that the "Alternative Theories" thread has been locked.

That's too bad.

Is there a new home for alternative theories or can they be posted anywhere? Or are alternative theories no longer welcome and we all just agree to agree from now on?

 

[Carli]

That's too bad.

Is there a new home for alternative theories or can they be posted anywhere? Or are alternative theories no longer welcome and we all just agree to agree from now on?

Agreeing is so nice, imo. Wouldn't it be nice if everybody would just agree on things? Just generally, not just here but in the world at large, agreeing on things would be so much nicer, imo. I like nice and agreeable opinions and find alternative views so thought provoking and troublesome. MOO.

 

[Archangel7]

When was the incinerator "moved"? The night of the test drive? Later?

Thoughts?

 

[Snoofo]

When was the incinerator "moved"? The night of the test drive? Later?

Thoughts?

Hopefully the neighbour was consistently nosy, then maybe LE would know. If only they would be consistently "leaky" with their photos too.

 

[Archangel7]

I think it's important. If it was moved "into place" of "from it's normal place" the night of the test drive, how on earth was it moved?
TB's truck?(look at the hitch), Yukon? does it even have a hitch? Look at the trailer tongue. Not many folk are set up to pull that pintle hitch. There has got to be a vehicle with the ability to move it after all DM & Co. ordered it with that hitch and went and got it possibly. Is it on the red Dodge?

Was the re Dodge there to move the incinerator? Did they carry the pintle half in the Yukon to TB's that night.

If the Red Dodge was at the farm to move the incinerator, was the black trailer stationed there also? Which may indicate premeditation/forethought.

Was all this done that one test drive night or over the following days? Premeditated/planned or reactionary?

 

[Alethea Dice]

I think it's important. If it was moved "into place" of "from it's normal place" the night of the test drive, how on earth was it moved?
TB's truck?(look at the hitch), Yukon? does it even have a hitch? Look at the trailer tongue. Not many folk are set up to pull that pintle hitch. There has got to be a vehicle with the ability to move it after all DM & Co. ordered it with that hitch and went and got it possibly. Is it on the red Dodge?

Was the re Dodge there to move the incinerator? Did they carry the pintle half in the Yukon to TB's that night.

If the Red Dodge was at the farm to move the incinerator, was the black trailer stationed there also? Which may indicate premeditation/forethought.

Was all this done that one test drive night or over the following days? Premeditated/planned or reactionary?

Maybe the black truck that stole the Harley moved it.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I was looking for a news video that had a map of where everything was on the farm and came across this one that I hadn't watched before.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/incinerator-recovered-from-farm-belonging-to-accused-in-bosma-murder-1.1284332

In it, the reporter states that the person who rents and works on the farm said there were two areas that had burn marks on the property that are now covered with tents. I don't remember knowing that there were two different areas. Anyway, in the video I was looking for (and haven't found yet), the incinerator was across an open space from where the tents were. Whether that's where it was found or whether it was moved away from the burn marks by the investigators, I don't believe we know.

In this video, the reporter also talked to the business that sold material to Millard Air. The company said that they were concerned because LE had not yet said anything about a Millard Air employee. "The company only dealt with one man at the hangar, who was not Dellen Millard."

 

[lanman]

I think it's important. If it was moved "into place" of "from it's normal place" the night of the test drive, how on earth was it moved?
TB's truck?(look at the hitch), Yukon? does it even have a hitch? Look at the trailer tongue. Not many folk are set up to pull that pintle hitch. There has got to be a vehicle with the ability to move it after all DM & Co. ordered it with that hitch and went and got it possibly. Is it on the red Dodge?

Was the re Dodge there to move the incinerator? Did they carry the pintle half in the Yukon to TB's that night.

If the Red Dodge was at the farm to move the incinerator, was the black trailer stationed there also? Which may indicate premeditation/forethought.

Was all this done that one test drive night or over the following days? Premeditated/planned or reactionary?

Well you don't need a special vehicle, all you need is a $100 pintle hook and a vehicle with a standard receiver, which TB's truck had. DM could have just left a spare one with the incinerator or had one stored in the barn...or like you suggested, they could have had one on the Yukon.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brow...Integrated+Ball+and+Pintle+Hook.jsp?locale=en

 

[ellie b]

In this video, the reporter also talked to the business that sold material to Millard Air. The company said that they were concerned because LE had not yet said anything about a Millard Air employee. "The company only dealt with one man at the hangar, who was not Dellen Millard."

Think you need to provide a link for this,

 

[Archangel7]

Well you don't need a special vehicle, all you need is a $100 pintle hook and a vehicle with a standard receiver, which TB's truck had. DM could have just left a spare one with the incinerator or had one stored in the barn...or like you suggested, they could have had one on the Yukon.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brow...Integrated+Ball+and+Pintle+Hook.jsp?locale=en

bbm
Yes I know, I have one around here somewhere, just haven't used it since Hurricane Katrina. That was my point, either they had carried it in the Yukon to TB's, the Yukon had a receiver AND had the pintle installed that night of the testdrive, they had another vehicle at the farm with a hitch with pintle installed, or did they make another trip in order to move the incinerator?

Alethea....

I remember the Incinerator location pretty much directly East, across the field on the wood line from the tents you mentioned also.

The location of that info at the time I saw it wasn't a MSM link, although the info itself probably was.

That's if we are referencing the same tents.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Think you need to provide a link for this,

The link is there. It's in the same video. HTH

 

[Alethea Dice]

This extended aerial video does show two different areas with tents set up.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/incinerator-recovered-from-farm-belonging-to-accused-in-bosma-murder-1.1284332

Alethea....

I remember the Incinerator location pretty much directly East, across the field on the wood line from the tents you mentioned also.

The location of that info at the time I saw it wasn't a MSM link, although the info itself probably was.

That's if we are referencing the same tents.

Yes, I think we are talking about the same tents. That's where it was in the video I had seen as well.

 

[ellie b]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ellie b View Post
Think you need to provide a link for this,

The link is there. It's in the same video. HTH
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Oh yes, sorry being a twit.............Thanks Alethea

 

[lanman]

bbm
Yes I know, I have one around here somewhere, just haven't used it since Hurricane Katrina. That was my point, either they had carried it in the Yukon to TB's, the Yukon had a receiver AND had the pintle installed that night of the testdrive, they had another vehicle at the farm with a hitch with pintle installed, or did they make another trip in order to move the incinerator?

Alethea....

I remember the Incinerator location pretty much directly East, across the field on the wood line from the tents you mentioned also.

The location of that info at the time I saw it wasn't a MSM link, although the info itself probably was.

That's if we are referencing the same tents.

If the skid steer was in working condition, they could have used that as well. No need for a pintle hook, just a length of chain around the bucket would work.

 

[Archangel7]

If the skid steer was in working condition, they could have used that as well. No need for a pintle hook, just a length of chain around the bucket would work.

Somewhat cumbersome for any distance, especially backing it all that way across uneven ground, but yes doable.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Who is this mysterious employee with the purchasing power at Millard Air? The one that always dealt with the regular supplier who had, in this video, expressed concerns that LE hadn't said anything about him yet, although he was the only person they ever dealt with at the hangar?

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/incinerator-recovered-from-farm-belonging-to-accused-in-bosma-murder-1.1284332

The one who suddenly decided that it would be business as usual a little over a week after DM was arrested?

One company that made regular deliveries to the hangar tells CTV News the deliveries suddenly stopped the day after Bosma’s disappearance.

There was no further contact between the company and Millard Air until last week, when the employee the company always dealt with showed up and said it would be business as usual beginning this week.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/activity-at-millard-air-hangar-not-what-airport-boss-expected-1.1302652

Was it MS? Was it another one of the "car" employees who still has not been mentioned? Was it one of the "airplane maintenance" employees?

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

From that same link....

Wood says he last met with Dellen Millard in March, three months after he had taken over the company following the death of his father, Wayne Millard.

They talked about Millard’s plans for the future of the company, which Wood recalls as potentially including a new tenant or different commercial business within the confines of the 50-year lease.

So on February 15th, DM cancels the MRO certificate. In March, he meets with the airport manager to discuss his plans of maybe a new tenant or a different business. A few weeks later, he decides to steal a truck and murder the owner. And once he's in jail, an employee decides that it's going to be business as usual again. But which business is going to carry on as normal once DM is out of the picture?

JMO

 

[JPC]

From that same link....



So on February 15th, DM cancels the MRO certificate. In March, he meets with the airport manager to discuss his plans of maybe a new tenant or a different business. A few weeks later, he decides to steal a truck and murder the owner. And once he's in jail, an employee decides that it's going to be business as usual again. But which business is going to carry on as normal once DM is out of the picture?
JMO

I couldn't agree more. The whole business sounds sketchy and unprofessional in my opinion. For the size of investment and types of contracts that the business would be handling I was surprised to see that there wasn't even a proper email address server in place and it was being run through a hotmail
account?? The fact that senior employees have so quickly and publicly commented on DM's work ethic and professionalism is unheard of regardless of the types of charges that he is facing. JMO

 

[swedie]

I was looking for a news video that had a map of where everything was on the farm and came across this one that I hadn't watched before.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/incinerator-recovered-from-farm-belonging-to-accused-in-bosma-murder-1.1284332

In it, the reporter states that the person who rents and works on the farm said there were two areas that had burn marks on the property that are now covered with tents. I don't remember knowing that there were two different areas. Anyway, in the video I was looking for (and haven't found yet), the incinerator was across an open space from where the tents were. Whether that's where it was found or whether it was moved away from the burn marks by the investigators, I don't believe we know.

In this video, the reporter also talked to the business that sold material to Millard Air. The company said that they were concerned because LE had not yet said anything about a Millard Air employee. "The company only dealt with one man at the hangar, who was not Dellen Millard."

Yes there were two burnt areas on the ground, in the field away from the trees. That is what makes me believe they didn't use the incinerator for TB. If those burnt areas were not caused from TB, what else could have been burnt to cause those burnt areas? The seats? What would be helpful to know is, would the incinerator scorch the ground? IMO I would think they are manufactured to somewhat control the outside temperature of the unit as to not burn anything which may be within close proximity of them. Similar to our ovens we use in our homes, ie. insulated. Although the incinerator far exceeds the example of our ovens, I am led to think this as safety precaution about external temperature. IIRC when I viewed the video from "The Eliminator" site, one incinerator appears to be sitting on a wooden slab. Not only that but DM's incinerator was on a trailer, not sitting on the ground. JMO

And of course we know from the neighbour's picture the picture shows it was in amongst the trees. Would the preps tried to have moved it while it was still hot that night? Did they return the next day? Did they discover they had no propane or ran into operating issues and couldn't start it, therefore didn't use it? The perps may not have even "hung around" for fear of being caught. Once they saw and thought the fire would take care of evidence, did they leave hoping that was enough to destroy the evidence? JMO