General Discussion Thread #1 -Bail Hearing

[otyikondo]

otyikondo - there is definitely a discrepancy in many of the layouts of the bathroom we've seen over the last 7 days. but i think you are correct.

Me, too, though it's not much consolation, considering that the images in newspapers will resonate more strongly in the public mind, regardless of how relevant they are.

Nobody has called anyone out on this and asked WHERE they get the idea for their "artist's impressions". Or what those photographs really show. Would Pistorius have done a PR photo-shoot of his entire house (including his master bedroom bathrooms)?

It might be worth trying to track down who owns the pictures - just to check their provenance.

 

[Lola]

12:22 - Botha concedes 'it could have been done, it should have been done'.

Nair: Sounds to me like there was some lack of urgency in getting those records. Did you ask for the records?

12:21 - Botha: I asked person I know to be quickest for billing information, don't know if they gave it to someone else.

12:20 - Botha: I did give it [phone record and billing] to a guy who I know does it quickly but he went to Cape Town or something. It is being handled.

 

[Lola]

Nel says he received a call from Botha telling him of a magazine article in which Oscar says he has a home in Italy. BB

Roux reiterates - he does not own any property abroad! BB

question might be does he have unfettered access to property abroad. where's the magazine article.

 

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Nel reads the article - I (Oscar) spend four months of the year at a house in Italy. BB

AND where is all his money???

 

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Nel reading - the mayor of an Italian town built an athletics track and gym for him to train. BB

 

[Lola]

hoisted by his own petard it would seem.

Roux says OP knows about perjury...

 

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12:28 - Nel reads the article - I [Oscar] spend four months of the year at a house in Italy.

12:26 - Nel: The article refers to Pistorius being given a house in Italy. Roux: "He does not own any property abroad, not in Italy, not elsewhere."

12:25 - Botha telling him article in Sarie mentions Oscar says he has a home in Italy.

12:24 - Nel pulls out a Sarie magazine. Says he was called by Botha last night to ask him whether he had read it or not.

 

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defence advocate Barry Roux starts his argument... BB

 

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12:30 - Pistorius also told Sarie he will never leave South Africa, he “likes pap and YFM”.
Sarie also quotes Oscar as saying he loves SA but enjoys Italian food!

 

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Roux starts with the value of an untested affadavit in a bail application - not same as weight of trial evidence. BB

Roux the IO says the contents of the supporting affidavits about the loving relationship are consistant... BB

 

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12:35 - Nair compliments defence advocate Barry Roux on his "performance" [on Wednesday].

 

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Roux the corroboration of events came from the investigating officer. BB

#OscarPistorius Roux ... they're consistant with the findings of his own investigation. BB

 

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Roux on the Criminal Procedures Act, premeditation and schedule six... BB

12:38 - Roux: State cannot factually contradict Oscar Pistorius version of events - so he should get bail.

 

[Lola]

Roux we submit that the evidence shows that this was not premeditated, we request this not be schedule six. BB

 

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12:41 - Roux: We submit that the evidence shows that this was not premeditated, we request this not be schedule 6.

12:40 - Roux wants court to consider law that requires Oscar Pistorius to show 'exceptional circumstances'.

12:38 - Roux says the State is dependent on forensic evidence in the absence of eyewitnesses. [The] affidavit is consistent with Botha evidence.

12:38 - Roux: State cannot factually contradict Oscar Pistorius version of events - so he should get bail.

 

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Roux: the poor quality of the evidence presented by the IO is evident of abuse of the Schedule 6 provisions. BB

#OscarPistorius Roux: the state had access to the available evidence, they should have known it fell far short of showing premed murder. BB

 

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Karyn Maughan ‏@karynmaughan
Roux hammers state for poor quality of Botha evidence. Says its obvious that Nel couldn't get certificate backing premeditated murder charge

 

[Lola]

given what Nair said to Botha re phone records, i think Roux has won this round.

 

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12:46 - Pistorius has not looked up once during argument, says Mandy Wiener.

 

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Roux: citing case law where the requirement of exceptional circumstances was inappropriate. BB