General Discussion Thread #2

[shane13]

Again the door incident probably would have had anyone else in jail for some time.

Read here: "...But in at least one documented incident, he is accused of slamming the door on a nineteen-year old’s leg causing severe injuries..."

http://www.firstpost.com/living/tri...ie-parallels-between-oscar-and-oj-635645.html

Given that security was seconds or minutes away, any rational person would have called them to escort her out.

He enjoyed going "full recon mode" and getting away with things numerous times, until the ultimate crime.

 

[shane13]

tangentially related.

National police commissioner Riah Phiyega is the one who took Det.
Botha off the OP case and put in their top Det.. I believe she also reinstated attempted murder charges against Botha.

Here she speaks out on the breaking story of police arresting a taxi driver and dragging him through the streets behind the police van. He was later found dead in his cell.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Phiyega-concerned-by-police-brutality-20130228


Here is the video.
Africa: 'Man Dragged Behind Police Van' - YouTube

 

[cityslick]

No, as the last few pages indicate, many of us go with the numerous reports that the back of her head had a skull fracture from a bat strike.

Those reports are not fact though and in fact have been refuted in court and her own family member.

 

[shane13]

1. We do not know if they are fact or not.
2. Some reports do say family members saw damage.
3. Hardly any facts in OP's statements. Just absurdities and coverups.
4. Till autopsy is released, everything everyone says is speculation.

 

[cityslick]

1. We do not know if they are fact or not.
2. Some reports do say family members saw damage.
3. Hardly any facts in OP's statements. Just absurdities and coverups.
4. Till autopsy is released, everything everyone says is speculation.

The difference is there is nothing to support that outside of what was posted in something that I don't consider main stream media. I just choose to believe (at this time) what was said in a court of law, under oath (presumably), then what is published in publications that don't have a great reputation for reporting actual facts. If more evidence/sources comes out that lends to the cricket bat story, I'm absolutely open to that.

 

[shane13]

And I go along with the numeous posters over the last few days who stated that they did not want one or 2 people here to try to enforce groupthink over the rest of us or to try to force anyone else to have their views and limitations...

And to believe that because something is in mainstream media it has to be true--when provably it is so often the opposite--is a limitation that many do not share.

 

[21merc7]

Reeva Steenkamp: Remembering a friend

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21606869

Apologies if this has already been posted.

 

[cityslick]

And I go along with the numeous posters over the last few days who stated that they did not want one or 2 people here to try to enforce groupthink over the rest of us or to try to force anyone else to have their views and limitations...

And to believe that because something is in mainstream media it has to be true--when provably it is so often the opposite--is a limitation that many do not share.

You can believe whatever you choose, no one is saying you can't. National Enquirer can come out with an article saying Bigfoot was sighted, folks can choose to believe that if they wish.

I didn't say everything that is in MSM is true. I just think it's very telling to me when one particular aspect of a story is in a tabloid magazine and nowhere else, even after this time.

 

[shane13]

You can believe whatever you choose, no one is saying you can't. National Enquirer can come out with an article saying Bigfoot was sighted, folks can choose to believe that if they wish.

I didn't say everything that is in MSM is true. I just think it's very telling to me when one particular aspect of a story is in a tabloid magazine and nowhere else, even after this time.

Well that is precisely what you have been doing each time you tell us we should only base our posts on the rags you are limited to, and not others who state that they got the information from the police.

A few days ago I cited the Fox News story that a Law Professor signed onto--involving bat caused damage to Reeva's head. So many "rigorous people" have gone along with this. No need to bring up such things as "bigfoot"--very telling. I could counter that by all the things that MSM lie about, that lead up to wars and such, that they later apologize for going along with governments, but I won't.

Bottom line I already stated is that until the autopsy report is publicly revealed everything everyone is saying here is specualtion. Some of us though do not tell others that they can't or shouldn't go with certain published reports only the ones they agree with.

 

[SweetT]

I can think of several cases that National Enquirer has been the first one to report something and it was accurate. SO I dont automatically discount them at all.

 

[shane13]

Reeva Steenkamp: Remembering a friend

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21606869

Apologies if this has already been posted.

thanks.
I think the version that was posted before did not have all of that.

 

[popsicle]

No, as the last few pages indicate, many of us go with the numerous reports that the back of her head had a skull fracture from a bat strike.

That does not mean everyone else believes this to be the case. Some here are waiting for the facts to come out and not in the news by unreported sources.

 

[shane13]

I can think of several cases that National Enquirer has been the first one to report something and it was accurate. SO I dont automatically discount them at all.

I can too.

 

[shane13]

That does not mean everyone else believes this to be the case. Some here are waiting for the facts to come out and not in the news by unreported sources.

Yes we get this and fine. I have written that I respect that. The difference is that every time someone posts in favor of certain published reports, 1 of 2-3 people come on and try to tell others that they can't or shouldn't say or think that way.

Once again: Bottom line is that until the autopsy report is fully published, everything everyone is saying here is speculation.

In that regard I ask any SAns. Does SA have FOI laws there? In the USA, supposedly (and with limitations) the press (or individuals) can petition govt agencies to release reports.

Does SA have FOI laws?
Update: Maybe I will PM Carol and ask her this.

 

[SyraKelly]

The Investigation Discovery (ID) network on Sunday will premiere a special, Beauty And The Blade Runner, about the South African athlete and his role in the shooting death of model Reeva Steenkamp.
ID is making the special with the help of NBC News and that company's Peacock Productions.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/special-f...umentary-on-the-cards-1.1478159#disqus_thread

Love this station,am watching it now!

 

[shane13]

Love this station,am watching it now!

what's on?

If some of us can't get that station, please tell us how it was on Sunday.
BTW, that Aussie doc Blade Runner: My Lover, My Killer was good.

 

[SyraKelly]

what's on?

If some of us can't get that station, please tell us how it was on Sunday.
BTW, that Aussie doc Blade Runner: My Lover, My Killer was good.

Twisted in on now-Dateline up next!

Yes-I am going to watch that

 

[SweetT]

The difference is there is nothing to support that outside of what was posted in something that I don't consider main stream media. I just choose to believe (at this time) what was said in a court of law, under oath (presumably), then what is published in publications that don't have a great reputation for reporting actual facts. If more evidence/sources comes out that lends to the cricket bat story, I'm absolutely open to that.

Did you watch the Anthony trial? Cause that did it for me. People Lie and it is a lot easier to make your story work when the only witness is dead.

 

[soozieqtips]

Since she had no other injuries she obviously wasn't assaulted. So your theory is wrong.

And in any case, the idea that someone would murder to cover up a minor assault is somewhat improbable.

If this was her first overnighter, it is plausible that he woke up to noises in the bathroom and basically forgot that she was there. If he was paranoid about home invasions that would be a possibility.

What about the possibility that other people like friends or family had stayed overnight before? Unless he's never ever had someone stay the night before, then he should be used to the sound of people getting up in the night to visit the toilet or get a drink etc. He hasn't shot anyone else dead, so why would Reeva be an exception?

 

[soozieqtips]

Reeva Steenkamp Was Not Pregnant When Oscar Pistorius Killed Her, Model's Family Insists

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...oscar-pistorius-_n_2779448.html?utm_hp_ref=uk