General Discussion Thread #2

[Carol70]

there is more about OP getting away with things here (see end paras):

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2013-02-22-00-pistorius-south-africa-bears-and-breeds-these-men

Oooo..ok...and I see the gun incident is confirmed.
Lol..amazingly, I'm currently at a loss for words. He is a scoundrel.

Emma, I also read the link for your article, it's very well written.

 

[Carol70]

Here's a link on the topic from a reporter at the bail hearing. In this tweet, he was quoting Nel. https://twitter.com/barrybateman/status/304164182872432640

Thanks.
I'm not sure what to make of it, it could be that it didn't warrant reporting. My moms car was broken into and her CD player stolen, she didn't report it because the insurance excess was more than the value of the cd. She just replaced the window and CD player out of her own pocket. However, if he states violent crime and didn't report it, that's very suspicious.

 

[lexycat]

I'm just curious..... because a report wasn't filed with the police, about OP's claims of being a victim of crime, as stated in others posts, does that mean we are to assume, they never happened? How about if we start to hear claims from other females that say they're victims of OP's actions, but a report was never filed? Do we believe them?

 

[Carol70]

Cops arrested him for assault and deliberately slamming the door on the woman.

I doubt they would have arrested OP, if not for great reason. After the fact--I would wager his money and connections threatened her. Just as Ms Taylor was threatened to stop.

All this will now come out.

No they didn't!!
http://mg.co.za/article/2009-10-13-pistorius-off-the-hook-on-assault-charge

And Ms Taylor actually just looks like a peeved ex, practically excusing Reeva of cyber stalking her.
http://m.news24.com/channel24/News/Local/Ex-girlfriend-slams-Oscar-Pistorius-20121111

 

[whiterum]

I has been widely reported that moments after the shooting, and before he called for medical help, OP called his best friend Justin Divaris, who did come to the house. Initially also reported he called his father who also came to the house. However, "widely reported" does not mean true. I concede that. And it is unclear whether he called the estate manager or she came to his house upon hearing shouting or receiving a call from security. Reports vary as to whether Security called OP or he called them. In any case, the prosecution has said that "the phone calls" constitute part of its argument for premeditation.

I don't know emmavoberry if this has been posted earlier. According to reporting journalists at the bail hearing, Nel asked " why did OP not call security guard after the shooting , the guard called him.

 

[Chewy]

No they didn't!!
http://mg.co.za/article/2009-10-13-pistorius-off-the-hook-on-assault-charge

And Ms Taylor actually just looks like a peeved ex, practically excusing Reeva of cyber stalking her.
http://m.news24.com/channel24/News/Local/Ex-girlfriend-slams-Oscar-Pistorius-20121111

Her comments about "not knowing who he really is" played out in a version of him being a "player" meaning he cheated on her.

 

[shane13]

I don't know emmavoberry if this has been posted earlier. According to reporting journalists at the bail hearing, Nel asked " why did OP not call security guard after the shooting , the guard called him.

very telling if true

 

[shane13]

Her comments about "not knowing who he really is" played out in a version of him being a "player" meaning he cheated on her.

To me the most telling thing has been this:
"In her interview with City Press’ sister newspaper Rapport, Taylor first said she was “prepared to reveal what (Pistorius) made me go through”, but in a lawyer’s letter late on Friday evening she withdrew everything she had said."

And I recall reading that the prosecution subpeoned her to testify later.

I doubt "what (Pistorius) made me go through" merely means his seeing other women.

 

[Carol70]

To me the most telling thing has been this:
"In her interview with City Press’ sister newspaper Rapport, Taylor first said she was “prepared to reveal what (Pistorius) made me go through”, but in a lawyer’s letter late on Friday evening she withdrew everything she had said."

And I recall reading that the prosecution subpeoned her to testify later.

I doubt "what (Pistorius) made me go through" merely means his seeing other women.

Excessive cheating in a relationship is normally quite traumatic for women.
But yep, it appears Oscar thought she cheated on him too ( break legs incident) so who the hell knows. I'm sure what she has to reveal will be very telling.

Anyhow folks, I'm off to bed. Sleep tight.

 

[shane13]

No they didn't!!
http://mg.co.za/article/2009-10-13-pistorius-off-the-hook-on-assault-charge

And Ms Taylor actually just looks like a peeved ex, practically excusing Reeva of cyber stalking her.
http://m.news24.com/channel24/News/Local/Ex-girlfriend-slams-Oscar-Pistorius-20121111

huh?
you cite the first article as supporting your claims of his innocence when it ends with: "Pistorius was charged with assault with the intent to cause grievous bodily harm. He was released on a warning after the charge was changed to common assault."

Put it to you this way, let's say he is cleared of all charges, and can have guns on him again. Would you want to be in a restaurant where he is--maybe playing with his or a friend's gun?

 

[Carol70]

huh?
you cite the first article as supporting your claims of his innocence when it ends with: "Pistorius was charged with assault with the intent to cause grievous bodily harm. He was released on a warning after the charge was changed to common assault."

Put it to you this way, let's say he is cleared of all charges, and can have guns on him again. Would you want to be in a restaurant where he is--maybe playing with his or a friend's gun?

Ahhh sorry, I posted the wrong link, there was another that gave a more detailed account of what happened. My bad :blushing:
I actually meant to post this link which states the police didn't arrest him for deliberately hurting her, she went to the police station to lay the complaint, the police had no choice but to arrest him.
http://mg.co.za/article/2009-09-14-pistorius-to-appear-in-court-on-assault-charges

Be reasonable here...does it really sound like he intentionally assaulted her?

 

[Carol70]

And no, I wouldn't want to be in a restaurant where anybody was sitting playing with guns, no matter who they are!!

 

[shane13]

Ahhh sorry, I posted the wrong link, there was another that gave a more detailed account of what happened. My bad :blushing:
I actually meant to post this link which states the police didn't arrest him for deliberately hurting her, she went to the police station to lay the complaint, the police had no choice but to arrest him.
http://mg.co.za/article/2009-09-14-pistorius-to-appear-in-court-on-assault-charges

Be reasonable here...does it really sound like he intentionally assaulted her?

No! I think you may be a bit unreasonable here.

It says, "It was while she was kicking the doors that Pistorius allegedly opened the door and told her to leave his house. When he closed the door on her, one of the door panels allegedly hit her on the leg ... she sustained bruises,” said Sergeant Marinda Stoltz"

Translation into reality: Instead of this ludicrous claim that while he was slamming the door on her, it miraculously and on its own started to either disintegrate or to act on its own.

Some of us can read between the lines... money and power...

Added: Please consider even the arresting officers on scene. No cop would want to arrest the nation's #2 icon--and with his money and power...unless it was conclusive.

Later on, all sorts of machinations are possible.

 

[writer411]

I have mentioned this a few times somewhere among these pages...it has not been determined but think that at autopsy, they would have checked. If they did or didn't ,IMO, would be quite informative to the state of the relationship.

Share what you have in mind?

Sorry for my delay in sharing. WS is my bedtime reading and I dozed off. Anyhow, either 1-the autopsy shows sex as it did bladder content and OP's ppl are having info suppressed for privacy reasons, or 2- they didnt have sex, and their relationship wasnt sexual. I suspect 2. Here's why. 1- she was clothed pretty well for 3 am. By clothed, I mean she had on some sort of lounge wear, not that she had street clothing on. So, since we're all adults, basically if youre at significant other's having sex, youre probably, at best partially dressed, after sex. 2- Further, its unclear where in the room OP was or what he was doing when he decided to go for his gun and shoot 4 times into the bathroom. My point? Im thinking about motive.

From the beginning, I suspected that Reeva and OP were not a traditional couple. Rich men are often know to contact modeling agencies when they need someone to accompany them to events or need companions. Am I saying Reeva was a call girl? Absolutely not. But, I do believe she was with Oscar fulfilling a contractual obligation as his companion. I believe the smiles you see are Reeva doing her job. So, even if she felt OP was nuts, she probably went on and did what she was being paid to do. In this scenario, I dont think sex was part of the deal. So, my thinking is that OP changed the terms and Reeva refused to comply, which IMO, points to state of mind at the time of the shooting. Its about paying money and feeling the sense of power over her. Any proof that Pist paid for her companionship is probably in financial documents taken from his house by family.

The tears in court? Well, OP is obviously deed remorseful, especially if he liked her somewhat. Humans become deeply embarrased and ashamed over things less important.

Ultimately, I'm on the fence. Either this guy's nuts enough to go shooting guns blazing into a bathroom when he has a house guest or, he killed her on purpose.

 

[natsound]

Sorry for my delay in sharing. WS is my bedtime reading and I dozed off. Anyhow, either 1-the autopsy shows sex as it did bladder content and OP's ppl are having info suppressed for privacy reasons, or 2- they didnt have sex, and their relationship wasnt sexual. I suspect 2. Here's why. 1- she was clothed pretty well for 3 am. By clothed, I mean she had on some sort of lounge wear, not that she had street clothing on. So, since we're all adults, basically if youre at significant other's having sex, youre probably, at best partially dressed, after sex. 2- Further, its unclear where in the room OP was or what he was doing when he decided to go for his gun and shoot 4 times into the bathroom. My point? Im thinking about motive.

From the beginning, I suspected that Reeva and OP were not a traditional couple. Rich men are often know to contact modeling agencies when they need someone to accompany them to events or need companions. Am I saying Reeva was a call girl? Absolutely not. But, I do believe she was with Oscar fulfilling a contractual obligation as his companion. I believe the smiles you see are Reeva doing her job. So, even if she felt OP was nuts, she probably went on and did what she was being paid to do. In this scenario, I dont think sex was part of the deal. So, my thinking is that OP changed the terms and Reeva refused to comply, which IMO, points to state of mind at the time of the shooting. Its about paying money and feeling the sense of power over her. Any proof that Pist paid for her companionship is probably in financial documents taken from his house by family.

The tears in court? Well, OP is obviously deed remorseful, especially if he liked her somewhat. Humans become deeply embarrased and ashamed over things less important.

Ultimately, I'm on the fence. Either this guy's nuts enough to go shooting guns blazing into a bathroom when he has a house guest or, he killed her on purpose.

Writer, why do you think they weren't really a romantic couple? OP could have had any woman he wanted. What's your basis for this conclusion? IMO, their relationship was full of passion.

 

[shane13]

Sorry for my delay in sharing. WS is my bedtime reading and I dozed off. Anyhow, either 1-the autopsy shows sex as it did bladder content and OP's ppl are having info suppressed for privacy reasons, or 2- they didnt have sex, and their relationship wasnt sexual. I suspect 2. Here's why. 1- she was clothed pretty well for 3 am. By clothed, I mean she had on some sort of lounge wear, not that she had street clothing on. So, since we're all adults, basically if youre at significant other's having sex, youre probably, at best partially dressed, after sex. 2- Further, its unclear where in the room OP was or what he was doing when he decided to go for his gun and shoot 4 times into the bathroom. My point? Im thinking about motive.

From the beginning, I suspected that Reeva and OP were not a traditional couple. Rich men are often know to contact modeling agencies when they need someone to accompany them to events or need companions. Am I saying Reeva was a call girl? Absolutely not. But, I do believe she was with Oscar fulfilling a contractual obligation as his companion. I believe the smiles you see are Reeva doing her job. So, even if she felt OP was nuts, she probably went on and did what she was being paid to do. In this scenario, I dont think sex was part of the deal. So, my thinking is that OP changed the terms and Reeva refused to comply, which IMO, points to state of mind at the time of the shooting. Its about paying money and feeling the sense of power over her. Any proof that Pist paid for her companionship is probably in financial documents taken from his house by family.

The tears in court? Well, OP is obviously deed remorseful, especially if he liked her somewhat. Humans become deeply embarrased and ashamed over things less important.

Ultimately, I'm on the fence. Either this guy's nuts enough to go shooting guns blazing into a bathroom when he has a house guest or, he killed her on purpose.

Iteresting take.

I think each one benefitted from being seen with the other. She more than he, obviously.

Mr Myers' statement indicates he immediately became infatuated with her which was not mutual.
He may have fantasized that she was "the one."
That night iirc they had alcohol, and I think alcohol and caffeine may affect his behavior/emotions. His bail precludes alcohol.

He was in a hyperemotional state when he saw some message from another suitor to her or from her to him. It may have included negative things about him (OP). He was fueled with rage and verbally gave her hell. End result prob was she told him it was over and wanted to leave. He may have prevented that, he may have implored her to take him back. She should have maybe said yes to live and fight another day. I think he is the kind of jealous monster that feels "if I can't have you, no one will" and struck her. Once that happened, and she was injured, killing the witness is all that was in his mind.

His affidavit claims are all absurd cover-ups, etc.
It fits premeditation according to SA law.

 

[writer411]

Writer, why do you think they weren't really a romantic couple? OP could have had any woman he wanted. What's your basis for this conclusion? IMO, their relationship was full of passion.

Well, I'm thinking about body language. There arent that many photos of them together, but in the ones I've seen, she's the pretty girl on his arm, but they don't look close. They look more like more like they're on blind dates. You said something important, that OP could have anyone he wanted. Fact of the matter is that feelings if inadequacy often run deep in highly skilled/talented ppl. They are often high achievers, but can be their own harshest critics. When not held in check, that self criticsm can lead to self loathing hence the things we see like self-destructive behavior among super high achievers. So, while we on the outside might think, wow, that hot, talented guy could have anyone in the world he wants. But, lots of times, the hot, talented guys don't even believe that themselves.

Anyway, this all just my theory

 

[natsound]

Well, I'm thinking about body language. There arent that many photos of them together, but in the ones I've seen, she's the pretty girl on his arm, but they don't look close. They look more like more like they're on blind dates. You said something important, that OP could have anyone he wanted. Fact of the matter is that feelings if inadequacy often run deep in highly skilled/talented ppl. They are often high achievers, but can be their own harshest critics. When not held in check, that self criticsm can lead to self loathing hence the things we see like self-destructive behavior among super high achievers. So, while we on the outside might think, wow, that hot, talented guy could have anyone in the world he wants. But, lots of times, the hot, talented guys don't even believe that themselves.

Anyway, this all just my theory

My take is completely different. OP has had the world in the palm of his hand for a long time. He even came off as a ladies' man in his teenage years, according to his book. I do think there were insecurities. He writes of trying to drive 300 miles in the middle of the night to visit his estranged girlfriend, but he ended up crashing his car. And he had a very long relationship with a girl named Vickie, which he described as "fiery" (I'd love to hear from her at this point). He dated Samantha during the Olympics, and it seems to me he dumped her when a newer model (Reeva) came along.

I don't see an incredibly sexy OP or an incredibly sexy RS wasting their time in a relationship of convenience. What would the convenience be, anyway?

 

[lexycat]

My take is completely different. OP has had the world in the palm of his hand for a long time. He even came off as a ladies' man in his teenage years, according to his book. I do think there were insecurities. He writes of trying to drive 300 miles in the middle of the night to visit his estranged girlfriend, but he ended up crashing his car. And he had a very long relationship with a girl named Vickie, which he described as "fiery" (I'd love to hear from her at this point). He dated Samantha during the Olympics, and it seems to me he dumped her when a newer model (Reeva) came along.

I don't see an incredibly sexy OP or an incredibly sexy RS wasting their time in a relationship of convenience. What would the convenience be, anyway?

I agree about wasting their time in a relationship of convenience......and why would she bother going to the length of getting pictures of them and buying a frame to put them in???

I believe Vickie was a H/S sweetheart and Samantha, from what I've read, sounds like a disgruntled and jealous ex-girlfriend, jmo.

 

[21merc7]

It's here .. hope this works... you can click the square in the top right to remove the graphic over the screen...

http://www.novamov.com/video/5cd151ffe9d77

And here: http://www.sockshare.com/file/31CFD10BC5611FD3

Just found this. Thank you for posting it!


FYI for anyone trying the links. I got the first one to work even though on the side it says it will not on my computer. Just click the play button on the video and it will start, then "x" out that little advert box with the big play button in the middle of the screen. Off to watch.