General Discussion Thread #4

[shane13]

quote excerpted for brevity:

I don't recall the defense claiming the shoulder injury was "bad"; a medical patch, which can be bought at any chain drugstore, is not indication of anything serious. It could be a minor strain that a world class athlete wants to avoid straining further. In the wake of the horrible events of that night, I can see someone of OP's strength, even with a very bad shoulder, with the adrenaline pumping, able to carry her downstairs and all that.

Well in the USA, a medical patch is defintely a prescription item--as it contains prescription medicine. Can only be put on by a licensed practitioner. I do not know if that is different in SA. I presume medical records will be brought in.

 

[shane13]

BBM/SBM

OP is a double below-the-knee amputee, not a paraplegic.

I know.
That is what I meant to say.

Problem besides lack of sleep, is we live in an age of abbreviations and acronyms. I was looking for a 1-word decrtption, and he is called a paralympian, yes?

But I think there is no one word for double below-the-knee amputee?

 

[sorrell skye]

The quote box in the post I wanted to quote was wonky, so I left it out of my post.

Shane, transdermal analgesic patches are sold OTC in the US.

Patches containing fentanyl (an opioid) require an Rx.

 

[sorrell skye]

I know.
That is what I meant to say.

Problem besides lack of sleep, is we live in an age of abbreviations and acronyms. I was looking for a 1-word decrtption, and he is called a paralympian, yes?

But I think there is no one word for double below-the-knee amputee?

No worries!

TY for responding & for clarifying!

 

[shane13]

Shane, transdermal analgesic patches are sold OTC in the US.

Patches containing fentanyl (an opioid) require an Rx.

Well I was referring to corticosteroid patches. I know some people that could only get them from a licensed practitioner. Or is that now also available OTC?

 

[sorrell skye]

IDK about corticosteroid patches - I'm only familiar with NSAID transdermal patches & Duragesic (fentanyl) patches.

 

[soozieqtips]

Can people please try and check they've closed the quote tags when including someone else's post? It's getting hard to see who said what when the tags aren't properly closed. Thanks

shane - your last post is an example of what I mean. You've got 'sorrell skye' quote at the top with no quote apart from your own - which appears to be sorrell's post that you've put in quote tags for yourself. It's all very confusing!

 

[Carol70]

HA HA .
If I am reading it right--which is a big if as it is clipped and such--it appears that when Roux asked him if OP's affi were possible he says in this interview that he was cut off. He wanted to say, "it is possible but highly unlikely." And did not get to say that latter part of that, as Roux cut him off.
Some have made a big deal of this..

Lol, yes, the article is quite informative. I actually don't know what to believe now regarding Botha. As stated before, It has just never occurred to me that he was paid to swing the case however, after reading the article, I'm not sure. The YOU magazine is pretty reputable, they have been sued quite a few times for digging up the dirt and have never been wrong or lost a case. In fact, I mentioned in one of the earlier threads that if we were going to get crime scene pics, we will get it from the YOU. Anyhow, I will do a small summary tomorrow, the article is 3 pages long so can't quote everything but will try my best. Sadly, the magazine does not release articles online unless you are a subscriber!

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

I am confused...:what: trying to reach sth but what ....?

* Whether bathroom lights were on /off is not mentioned in his affidavit exactly, but he says that after he fired the shots , he moved backwards , keeping his eyes on the bathroom entrance , everything was pithch dark in the bedroom and he is still too scared to switch on a light. He says it dawns on him when he reaches the bed.

If the lights were on in the bathroom, he would very well see Reeva's phone lying on the shower mat if it were there then . wouldn't he ? so he doesnt mention like that.

The affidavit gives only the impression that bathroom lights were off because he says he ''notices '' the bathroom window was open and he did not see anyone in the bathroom .. I guess he wants to imply some slight light was seizing from the bathroom window. not pitch dark but lights
were off .

Maybe just maybe the electricity switches are in the bathroom and if turns them on after he shots , he again will see the phone if it is lying there.. So what ??

So IMO opinion there is a loophole there... The defense wanted to leave an open door for OP .. They will either claim Reeva took that phone with her to the toilet and it fell down somehow ..Or will say OP mistook that phone and his phone if either of the phones dont have phone covers . He himself took it there.. depending on the circumstances.

But her iphone has a different cover than his , he no way can say that he mistook hers.
Just my opinions
seems a trick there to me ...have to think on that more..
as always:banghead:

 

[shane13]

IDK about corticosteroid patches - I'm only familiar with NSAID transdermal patches & Duragesic (fentanyl) patches.

Thanks.

I know someone who was greatly helped by a medical patch on his shoulder. It contained a corticosteroid. He said only an MD or a physical therapist could put that on him. Was a few years ago and was wondering if that is OTC now? Maybe not.

Update: I should add that my friend did not like taking Rx. He only went for the patch when pain was so bad that he could no longer lift his arm. That is also why I wonder about the truth of the patch RE carrying Reeva down the stairs?

Of course it is interesting on many levels RE the medical patch.
I believe it is not in OP's affi, but was only noted at bail hearing by Roux. And Botha said he saw no patch on OP. But did he look properly? Got his shirt off?
So many unanswered questions.

I briefly saw some of the YOU mag. Carol cited. And it had Botha saying that when asked by Roux if OP's affi were possible, he was cut off by Roux from completing his sentence, with "highly unlikely."

I know many denigrate Botha, but I wonder about Roux.
And I think many of us wonder if after shooting Reeva OP might have had help from someone in deciding what to do next? Hopefully not.

Oh those many phones...
what will they all telll us.
(Sounds like a song from the 60's.)

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

RS was right handed I think .. So if she was hiding inside the toilet with her phone in hand , wouldn't that phone get broken/ damaged given that she was shot with a bullet in her right hand..I think it should have been crashed.
And also no calls were made. So more likely it was in OP hand in the bathroom.
IMO

Just speculating..

 

[kittychi]

I was wondering about laws in SA regarding indictments, trials and holding someone in prison. If OP is indicted in June, will he still be out on bail until the trial? And will he still be out on bail during the trial?

Carol70, I thought you may know the answer? :gthanks:

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

As for the prosthetic legs

In my opinion OP had the prosthetic legs on all night..

He mentions in his affidavit that after he screams in the balcony for help,
he puts on his prosthetic legs and kicks the toilet door open. Those iron blades would surely leave traces on that wooden door when kicked.

So IMO , OP prob. might have kicked that door with his prot legs on when RS was inside before and that's why his lawyer put that detail in the affidavit ..

And why does he actully not shot the lock part with the gun is another question.. But then how could he cover blade traces and maybe explain the bloody bat ?

Just my opinions...

 

[natsound]

As for the prosthetic legs

In my opinion OP had the prosthetic legs on all night..

He mentions in his affidavit that after he screams in the balcony for help,
he puts on his prosthetic legs and kicks the toilet door open. Those iron blades would surely leave traces on that wooden door when kicked.

So IMO , OP prob. might have kicked that door with his prot legs on when RS was inside before and that's why his lawyer put that detail in the affidavit ..

And why does he actully not shot the lock part with the gun is another question.. But then how could he cover blade traces and maybe explain the bloody bat ?

Just my opinions...

Just for clarity, his blades and his prosthetic legs are two different things. He only uses the blades for running.

 

[redheadedgal]

... and he is called a paralympian, yes?

The present formal explanation for the name "Paralympic" is that it derives from the Greek preposition παρά, pará ("beside" or "alongside") and thus refers to a competition held in parallel with the Olympic Games. The 1988 Summer Paralympics held in Seoul was the first time the term "Paralympic" came into official use.

Paralympic Games - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[shane13]

As for the prosthetic legs

In my opinion OP had the prosthetic legs on all night..

He mentions in his affidavit that after he screams in the balcony for help,
he puts on his prosthetic legs and kicks the toilet door open. Those iron blades would surely leave traces on that wooden door when kicked.

So IMO , OP prob. might have kicked that door with his prot legs on when RS was inside before and that's why his lawyer put that detail in the affidavit ..
And why does he actully not shot the lock part with the gun is another question.. But then how could he cover blade traces and maybe explain the bloody bat ?

Just my opinions...

BBM: This part may be likely. Good thinking.

 

[Feynman]

Here's a video clip that might explain why one of the casings was found outside the bathroom, down the hallway. See the first two minutes of

Browning Hi-Power 9mm Pistol Shooting - YouTube

You can see how far the casings travel when they're ejected. And they come flying out sideways (more or less). So imagine OP's first shot was taken right at the bathroom entrance. It's not too hard to imagine that casing flying sideways and going down the hallway. The other three shots could have been fired at closer range, explaining why they were found in the bathroom proper.

 

[shane13]

New South African Video--May Go Viral

OT

SA Cop (Warrant Officer) Punches and Kicks Defenseless Woman in Front of Other Cops

EXCLUSIVE: Shocking police attack on unarmed woman - YouTube

 

[Patticake]

Even I did not think the guy could be this callous!!!

It's been 2 months! Eight weeks!!!


http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Oscar-Pistorius-goes-out-partying-20130414

Oscar Pistorius goes out partying

Johannesburg - Murder-accused paralympian Oscar Pistorius was seen enjoying a few drinks on a night out, the Sunday Times reported.

Pistorius was seen arriving at a party at Kitchen Bar restaurant in the Fourways Design Quarter in Johannesburg last Saturday, according to the report.

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Pistorius family spokesperson Anneliese Burgess told the Sunday Times that it was the first time the paralympian went out with friends but left the Kitchen Bar when "public interest became overwhelming".

 

[Patticake]

This man is reprehensible!

He cares not one iota for Reeva. I do not believe he is mourning, grieving or ruined by this experience:


http://news.iafrica.com/sa/853099.html

Oscar spotted on night out

Pistorius family spokeswoman Anneliese Burgess told the Sunday Times that it was the first time the paralympian went out with friends but left the Kitchen Bar when "public interest became overwhelming".

"He has been out of the house with family, but this was the first time he went out to a restaurant with people other than close family," she was quoted as saying.

"For Oscar, it was a way of trying to reconnect with friends of his and Reeva's - and these were the people he went out with."