General Discussion Thread #4

[shane13]

Even I did not think the guy could be this callous!!!

It's been 2 months! Eight weeks!!!


http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Oscar-Pistorius-goes-out-partying-20130414

I don't think he should be drinking...

Hopefully at least 1 bail condition was not rescinded--gun possesion?

Then again if he is still with his uncle, there's about a dozen guns there.

And they do have great spin control, able to spin such news to the opposite effect. (Or at least they try to.)

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

Just for clarity, his blades and his prosthetic legs are two different things. He only uses the blades for running.

Doesn't he walk with his blades on in the house? Kidding.. Of couse they are different things I forgot.. Too funny Thanks :floorlaugh:

 

[Patticake]

I don't think he should be drinking...

Hopefully at least 1 bail condition was not rescinded--gun possesion?

Then again if he is still with his uncle, there's about a dozen guns there.

And they do have great spin control, able to spin such news to the opposite effect. (Or at least they try to.)

Not A drink, or a couple of drinks, but a few! He has perhaps hidden his drinking habit.

But, if this had happened to me, you would not see me in public for a year or more! How can his PR team have approved this?

Yet comically it is stated that not a moment goes by when he is not mourning Reeva. Does he not know that when he is seen out in public, smiling ... with drink in hand, it puts that in question?
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[MURDERER_SERVANT]

Not A drink, or a couple of drinks, but a few! He has perhaps hidden his drinking habit.

But, if this had happened to me, you would not see me in public for a year or more! How can his PR team have approved this?

Yet comically it is stated that not a moment goes by when he is not mourning Reeva. Does he not know that when he is seen out in public, smiling ... with drink in hand, it puts that in question?
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Sorry to say that but not only legless but also brainless and heartless!!!!IMO

 

[Estelle]

For the record a couple of things from yesterday.

The bathroom is not claimed in OP's affi to have been dark, only the bedroom.

It is OP's forensics man, Dr Perumal who said Reeva died on the stairway.

Then this link: http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-cou...of-blood-up-the-stairs-1.1471721#.UWiU86K-2So

seems to prove that Reeva's shorts that have been argued about, were definitely outer shorts not undies. This gives credence to those who have hypothesized that maybe Reeva and OP were not intimate, or not that night. As with all the loud arguing a few hours earlier, maybe it never got close to that that night.

Then this: "The medic said Pistorius told them Steenkamp had stopped breathing three minutes before the ambulance arrived."

It just seems to me what Reeva needed was immediate CPR where she lay. And if OP was genuinely concerned he would have phoned and asked for an ambulance and for instructions on CPR until they arrived.

Furthermore how does a paraplegic with a shoulder injury so bad it was claimed by Roux to have required a "medical patch" that night, carry her downstairs while she is bleeding out?

Also, if he really did have a shoulder injury, why couldn't he remain on his usual side of the bed and turn on to his other non-shoulder injury side? If you are in hospital that is all you do - roll over - face the door or face the inside walls. You do not need to change the side of the bed.

 

[shane13]

Not A drink, or a couple of drinks, but a few! He has perhaps hidden his drinking habit.

But, if this had happened to me, you would not see me in public for a year or more! How can his PR team have approved this?

Yet comically it is stated that not a moment goes by when he is not mourning Reeva. Does he not know that when he is seen out in public, smiling ... with drink in hand, it puts that in question?
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Well my thoughts on this are that his PR people are testing the waters--as they plan for him getting back to "full normal."

Alas as if nothing happened. JMO.

And yes I guess maybe the reporters are keeping track on how many?

It's like in boxing, judges have a clicker that they click each time a boxer lands an effective punch.

How long before another incident??

 

[Patticake]

Well my thoughts on this are that his PR people are testing the waters--as they plan for him getting back to "full normal."

Alas as if nothing happened. JMO.

And yes I guess maybe the reporters are keeping track on how many?

It's like in boxing, judges have a clicker that they click each time a boxer lands an effective punch.

How long before another incident??

But why so soon?

 

[shane13]

But why so soon?

IMO prob. because they are planning for something bigger very soon. Such as his travelling to some event--not necessarily sporting, but prob.

And this is the trial balloon.

So be prepared for his team to announce that soon.
Of course mourning Reeva will be thrown in somehow too.

 

[Patticake]

IMO prob. because they are planning for something bigger very soon. Such as his travelling to some event--not necessarily sporting, but prob.

And this is the trial balloon.

So be prepared for his team to announce that soon.
Of course mourning Reeva will be thrown in somehow too.

Of course, Shane. You are right.

The last missive from his PR team was that he was becoming more socially active while on bail.

No surprise here.

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[MURDERER_SERVANT]

Also, if he really did have a shoulder injury, why couldn't he remain on his usual side of the bed and turn on to his other non-shoulder injury side? If you are in hospital that is all you do - roll over - face the door or face the inside walls. You do not need to change the side of the bed.

I am confused again .. Pls correct me if I' m wrong...

On that particular night that he switched ;

bahtroom side : handbag on a couch, slippers , gun, Reeva

balcony side : OP

 

[Estelle]

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2012/07/16/pagesix/web_photos/oscar_pistorius--300x300.jpg

Since Nike has suspended their sponsorship of OP, if he wants to resume training & possibly compete (which has been reported is a possibility), I wonder who will be providing his running blades (not to mention who will pay for training, travel expenses, meet fees, etc.)? I don't think he can wear the Nike blades, under the circumstances, if he competes.

I assumed that he would have to pay for these things himself from now on.

 

[shane13]

Of course, Shane. You are right.

The last missive from his PR team was that he was becoming more socially active while on bail.

No surprise here.

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IMO one of most telling and foreboding things RE the final outcome was at Bail reversal hearing.

Not just that many conditions were rescinded, but that the higher judge several times denigrated the lower judge.

This does not often happen publicly.

Could be predictive-regardless of the evidence.

Or even if convicted, OP's DT will appeal and find the right higher Court again.

 

[Estelle]

I am confused again .. Pls correct me if I' m wrong...

On that particular night that he switched ;

bahtroom side : handbag on a couch, slippers , gun, Reeva

balcony side : OP

IIRC OP usually slept on the balcony side - right side looking at the bed from the foot of it.

But that night, OP slept nearest the bathroom side (left hand side looking at it from the foot of the bed) where Reeva's overnight bag, slippers and his holster were found.

And that night Reeva supposedly slept on his usual side - the balcony side.

 

[shane13]

RE the OP piece that Pattycake posted twice, and knowing how the Media can be, I tracked down the original Times article, and sure enough it is worse.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/04/14/oscar-pistorius-parties-flirts-shops

Title: Oscar Pistorius parties, flirts, shops

Pistorius, sporting a beard, is said to have flirted with several women. "He was greeting a couple and then gave the woman a little pat on her backside. It was just so inappropriate," said the guest. BBM

Might have been worse without the bodyguards...?
Maybe it was not OP that was being protected, in effect, but the female population of SA?

 

[Estelle]

IMO one of most telling and foreboding things RE the final outcome was at Bail reversal hearing.

Not just that many conditions were rescinded, but that the higher judge several times denigrated the lower judge.

This does not often happen publicly.

Could be predictive-regardless of the evidence.

Or even if convicted, OP's DT will appeal and find the right higher Court again.

It reminded me of how Freemasons protect each other - not Judge to Judge here - but Roux/Pistorius family to Higher Court Judge. There is a man named Pistorius very high up the Freemasons in South Africa. I posted this once but everyone ignored it. I can find the link on google if interested in my proving this.

 

[Estelle]

RE the OP piece that Pattycake posted twice, and knowing how the Media can be, I tracked down the original Times article, and sure enough it is worse.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/04/14/oscar-pistorius-parties-flirts-shops

Title: Oscar Pistorius parties, flirts, shops

Pistorius, sporting a beard, is said to have flirted with several women. "He was greeting a couple and then gave the woman a little pat on her backside. It was just so inappropriate," said the guest. BBM

Might have been worse without the bodyguards...?
Maybe it was not OP that was being protected, in effect, but the female population of SA?

They say you can tell what someone is like by the friends they keep.

OP "was with controversial tow-truck baron Craig Lipschitz and others.

Lipschitz, a director of First Road Emergency, made headlines in 2008 when he became involved in a vicious brawl with a former bouncer in Sandton.

On Saturday, at least four bodyguards kept a close watch on Pistorius and Lipschitz, who travels with protection since a 2009 turf war between rival tow-truck groups in Durban."

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/04/14/oscar-pistorius-parties-flirts-shops

"Lipschitz is being tried for stabbing Yahav repeatedly and leaving him in a critical condition"

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/ex-bouncer-on-new-violence-charge-1.435511#.UWpjgCd-_4w

 

[Estelle]

RE the OP piece that Pattycake posted twice, and knowing how the Media can be, I tracked down the original Times article, and sure enough it is worse.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/04/14/oscar-pistorius-parties-flirts-shops

Title: Oscar Pistorius parties, flirts, shops

Pistorius, sporting a beard, is said to have flirted with several women. "He was greeting a couple and then gave the woman a little pat on her backside. It was just so inappropriate," said the guest. BBM

Might have been worse without the bodyguards...?
Maybe it was not OP that was being protected, in effect, but the female population of SA?

OP now "sporting a beard" struck me! IMO he could be preparing a new makeover and then an escape.

 

[Estelle]

RE the OP piece that Pattycake posted twice, and knowing how the Media can be, I tracked down the original Times article, and sure enough it is worse.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/04/14/oscar-pistorius-parties-flirts-shops

Title: Oscar Pistorius parties, flirts, shops

Pistorius, sporting a beard, is said to have flirted with several women. "He was greeting a couple and then gave the woman a little pat on her backside. It was just so inappropriate," said the guest. BBM

Might have been worse without the bodyguards...?
Maybe it was not OP that was being protected, in effect, but the female population of SA?

It appears to me that the four bodyguards were protecting Craig.

 

[Estelle]

http://www.sport24.co.za/Columnists/GraemeJoffe/Who-is-the-real-Oscar-20130218

These are just a few of the insights I have selected from a South African Sports Commentator made on 18/2/13:

"Oscar shouldn’t have been at the Olympics in London in the first place - he didn’t qualify but pressure from sponsors and politics made sure he was selected. It would be interesting to know who was paid or promised what to make sure Oscar was at the Olympics.

Even when asked about Oscar’s Olympic selection last year, Sports Minister Fikile Mbalula was quoted as saying: “It’s a political decision”.It was bad decision and it also made a mockery of SASCOC’s selection criteria.

Was Oscar really going to win a medal in London?

Regardless of the selection, did SASCOC, his agent or his sponsors prepare the 25-year-old athlete for the pressure and stresses of the Olympic stage?

They sure knew how to milk the popularity of the situation, to an extent, that it became somewhat nauseating. It seemed as if every day in London, there was an Oscar Pistorius press conference. It was overdone.

But was he prepared for the new status, all the media attention and competing in front of 80 000 people?

The trials and tribulations of Oscar Pistorius (boating accident, assaults, threats) have been well documented but each time they would quickly disappear and almost treated as not a big deal. The youngster needed professional help but while he was making money for those around him, it didn’t seem to matter.

How many people in their early 20s have ownership of such arms and ammunition. How many people in their early 20s have million rand race horses and R3.2 million cars? Someone needed to guide him.

Oscar’s outburst at the Paralympics after his defeat in the T44 200m smacked of sour grapes and the majority of the SA media in London, spun it to look like he was the victim.

The majority of the headlines read: “SASCOC defends Oscar”, “Oscar to appeal”, “In the heat of the moment” and only a day later, “Oscar apologises” - but he only apologised for the timing of his comments and not what he said.

He needed professional help.

Was Oscar ever coached on a mind level?

Does SASCOC have a full-time psychologist?

Sadly, there was little if none in the way of objective journalism about Oscar’s outburst from the SA media. Most defended Oscar to the hilt and some even tried to discredit SA scientist, Dr Ross Tucker, when he suggested Oscar had no argument. Part of the problem is that SASCOC paid for a number of journalists to go to London and some media are even on the SASCOC payroll, which makes it even more disturbing.

SA needs a free media and not a manipulated one. SASCOC needs to be exposed for their corrupt practices that are shattering the dreams of our athletes.

South African sport is being run by the SASCOC mafia and this sickening tragedy could have perhaps been prevented if we didn’t have corrupt and greedy administrators, continually serving their own interests.

Oscar was traded like a commodity in London and not that of a troubled sports star."

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

RE the OP piece that Pattycake posted twice, and knowing how the Media can be, I tracked down the original Times article, and sure enough it is worse.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/04/14/oscar-pistorius-parties-flirts-shops

Title: Oscar Pistorius parties, flirts, shops

Pistorius, sporting a beard, is said to have flirted with several women. "He was greeting a couple and then gave the woman a little pat on her backside. It was just so inappropriate," said the guest. BBM

Might have been worse without the bodyguards...?
Maybe it was not OP that was being protected, in effect, but the female population of SA?

IMO it seems he doesn't even need to disguise until the trial and doesn't have a doubt or fear of not getting off this .. Can there be anyone in the world to believe what his PR said is true ?Those statements are too funny!
And the same for the brother... In some of the photos of brother in the court seemed to me that he was smiling ,he was amusing himself time to time and looked like just enjoying this challenging experience . That family knows they always win there.. We will probabaly witness another circus in the trial and this case seems over.... Just my opinions