General discussion thread No. 15

[Taximom]

When my child needed Benedryl for an allergic reaction i was told by my doctor that there really isn't a set amount for a child, but to go ahead and give it to her (his suggested dose) anyway.

I can tell you that I did not sleep a wink that night because I feared she might die like those I've heard about in the news. She was fine, of course.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Carpe Pacem: Thank you for that article!

The similarities are uncanny:

~Health Care Professionals
~Children described as "Colicky"
~Enough medicine to knock out a child

It's not the medicine that is somehow bad - everyone in the world uses Benadryl because it is a good antihistamine. I've given it to my kids for itching and bee stings, as well as sinus trouble, and they do get sleepy. But there is a line that some of these people cross when they are trying to just make their kids "go away" to sleep and leave them alone.

I don't get the whole "yacht" hypothesis yet. Gosh - that sounds like the Aruba case with the missing girl.

I'm also reading about the Kate's Diary that has supposedly been "leaked." Is there enough for a new thread about that, do you think? Or is it all too speculative at this point? I'll start one if you think it's valid.

 

[AfterMidnight]

=ThoughtFox;1680951]Carpe Pacem: Thank you for that article!

The similarities are uncanny:

~Health Care Professionals
~Children described as "Colicky"
~Enough medicine to knock out a child

It's not the medicine that is somehow bad - everyone in the world uses Benadryl because it is a good antihistamine. I've given it to my kids for itching and bee stings, as well as sinus trouble, and they do get sleepy. But there is a line that some of these people cross when they are trying to just make their kids "go away" to sleep and leave them alone.

Let me try to understand this. It's all right to give drugs to children as long as you don't medicate them so you can go have dinner? If your children died as a result of medication, would it be all right because your motives were pure? And, of course, it would not be all right because the McCann's motives were selfish? Does that mean one child is less DEAD than the other? WHO draws the line?

 

[april4sky]

After reading the article I agree with the title if not all the conclusions drawn in it. I believe some people need the McCanns to be guilty because it makes them feel better about themselves. I further believe all those howling for the blood of the McCanns need vindication for their own sins using the McCanns as scapegoats. Blaming, defaming, and pointing fingers at the McCanns does not make the finger-pointers better people or better parents - but it does say a lot about those doing the pointing.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

The thing that saddens me most is that all the deliberate smearing of the McCanns by rumor and inuendo is more often than not taken as fact and this has now completely scuppered the search for Madeleine.
Does anyone really think the Portugese police are still searching for her?

There doesn't seem to be any question any more by some that Madeleine may still be alive and out there somewhere. And what if she is!!!!

Innocent until proven guilty...Mmmmm if only!!!

 

[CaliKid]

Parents have to use common sense when administering medication to their children, no matter what it is or why they want to use it. That's why it's important to read instructions on OTC meds as well as prescriptions. You would think doctors would be more aware of this than the average person.

 

[CaliKid]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

The thing that saddens me most is that all the deliberate smearing of the McCanns by rumor and inuendo is more often than not taken as fact and this has now completely scuppered the search for Madeleine.
Does anyone really think the Portugese police are still searching for her?

There doesn't seem to be any question any more by some that Madeleine may still be alive and out there somewhere. And what if she is!!!!

Innocent until proven guilty...Mmmmm if only!!!

Let's just assume the JP has either leaked this news on purpose or someone in their office is feeding stories to the media and the Portuguese press is telling the truth. So Madeleine's hair and body fluids have been found in a Renault Scenic. The body fluids contain enough sedatives to be called an overdose for a child her size. The death scent has been tracked to a means of disposing of her body.

Why would the PJ continue to search for her and waste resources if they think she's dead?

 

[ThoughtFox]

Let me try to understand this. It's all right to give drugs to children as long as you don't medicate them so you can go have dinner? If your children died as a result of medication, would it be all right because your motives were pure? And, of course, it would not be all right because the McCann's motives were selfish? Does that mean one child is less DEAD than the other? WHO draws the line?

The parents draw that line by their choices. Why were they medicating children who weren't sick?

I'm sorry if my opinion seems strange, but I don't believe parents should medicate children when they are not ill. I have yet to read one word about why these children needed to be medicated except for a sunburn, and if they were sick enough to need medicine, why were they left alone for two hours every night? I think those are valid questions that many parents are asking.

I realize I've never been to Portugal or the UK, but in the U.S. leaving children alone night after night is neglect, whether someone is on vacation or "feels safe" or not. That's a choice the parents make, too, and they have to live with the consequences.

 

[Taximom]

Not knowing what's "rag" and what isn't, I half-heartedly post this article:
http://www.independent.ie/world-new...lsquonothingrsquo-on-the-mccanns-1081001.html
Police confess they have ‘nothing’ on the McCanns
Saturday September 15 2007
Detectives may be depending on Kate and Gerry McCann making a confession in order to prove their suspicions, a Portuguese newspaper reported.The couple were declared formal suspects in the case exactly a week ago, and are now back in Britain waiting to learn whether they will be charged.
A “high-ranking” officer in the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) – Portugal's criminal investigation department – said the evidence was not even strong enough to prove whether Madeleine is dead.
It is now 134 days since the young girl vanished from her bed in her family's holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz. The unnamed PJ officer told the 24 Horas newspaper: “We have nothing concrete. “There are a lot of indications, but without more elements it's impossible to determine what happened in those four vital hours in the case (between 6pm and 10pm on the night Madeleine vanished).
“Even if the blood and traces gathered in the car or in the apartment were confirmed to correspond 100pc to the little irl's DNA, that wouldn't prove anything.
“Those elements could only confirm – and that doesn't even happen – that the little girl was in the apartment and in the car. “In either of the cases nothing would prove homicide, just that the body of the little girl had been transferred in the vehicle.
“We don't know if Madeleine is dead, and if she is, how it all happened. “Was she strangled? Could she have been beaten? “They are questions only the parents could clarify in an eventual confession.” This appears to contradict a report that the forensic Science Service in Birmingham is examining bloodstains from the apartment next to the McCanns'.
Police believe this sample could hold the key to where Madeleine's body could have been stored after she vanished, the Evening Standard said. Yesterday, the McCanns spent the day in meetings with their London-based lawyers, Kingsley Napley.
A friend said yesterday that Madeleine's parents were under intense pressure but were “not cracking up”. (more at link)

 

[shrinkydink]

omg that is absurd! Is every newspaper in the UK a rag mag?

It's News Nine, the most popular televised news programme in Australia. I am fairly certain this wouldn't count as a rag.

Shrinky

 

[narlacat]

It's News Nine, the most popular televised news programme in Australia. I am fairly certain this wouldn't count as a rag.

Shrinky

I'll take your word on that Shrinky - about Nines news being the most popular- I know Nine always gets the best ratings but not sure if their news is the most watched.

SBS news is the most uncensored news here in Oz- that's as close to the truth as it gets.

I think Philamena was talking about the newspaper quoted in the article, The Sun...which I assume is our Sun- lol- but could be the UK's Sun, not quite sure.

 

[april4sky]

Let's just assume the JP has either leaked this news on purpose or someone in their office is feeding stories to the media and the Portuguese press is telling the truth. So Madeleine's hair and body fluids have been found in a Renault Scenic. The body fluids contain enough sedatives to be called an overdose for a child her size. The death scent has been tracked to a means of disposing of her body.

Why would the PJ continue to search for her and waste resources if they think she's dead?

Calikid I'm sorry but assumptions don't do it for me.

And I no longer have much faith in the Portugese police, I think they have bungled this case from the get go. Aruba comes to mind.

I don't find them very professional as they have been responsible for most of the leaks to the press. They seem happy to break their own secrecy laws. And then more often than not they back away from the "breaking news". Like not being quite the 100% DNA match first put out!!! Clumps of hair....Still like to know if this is true!!!

I read an article yesterday. Sorry, just looked for it and couldn't find it again.
The jist of it was a DNA expert was saying that in his opinion it would be impossible to be certain the DNA "found" was Madeleine's and not another family member.
As for the hair. He would have been surprised if they hadn't found some of Madeleine's hair in the car as her things would be with the rest of the families posessions. And while it is possible to test for sedatives it would be impossible to tell the amount of sedatives used. And therefore prove an overdose. We would be back to dangerous speculation again.

And the Portugese police themselves have said even they cannot be certain that Madeleine is dead.

IMO. They have no idea what happened to Madeleine. They are fishing and hoping to catch something...someone!!!

Thats why I want to know facts, not rumors and inuendo.

I do hope they are still looking for Madeleine, but after the last few weeks I doubt it...I'm sad to say.

 

[shrinkydink]

I'll take your word on that Shrinky - about Nines news being the most popular- I know Nine always gets the best ratings but not sure if their news is the most watched.

SBS news is the most uncensored news here in Oz- that's as close to the truth as it gets.

I think Philamena was talking about the newspaper quoted in the article, The Sun...which I assume is our Sun- lol- but could be the UK's Sun, not quite sure.

Ahh - she might have meant the UK Sun. Sure, that's a tabloid. BUT that story about the boat was the same story as reported by News Nine in the link in that same mail. I've read the story a few places here in the European papers - non-tabloid, mainly - this morning (sadly, I am not in Oz today), but so far it looks to have no supporting evidence, other than the sniffer dogs tracing the cadaver smell there. I have yet to read that there is any evidence the McCanns were ever on a boat there.


Shrinky

PS. You're right about News Nine, too. The ratings are the best, but I don't know that they would win a real popularity poll, lol.

 

[narlacat]

Calikid I'm sorry but assumptions don't do it for me.

And I no longer have much faith in the Portugese police, I think they have bungled this case from the get go. Aruba comes to mind.

I don't find them very professional as they have been responsible for most of the leaks to the press. They seem happy to break their own secrecy laws. And then more often than not they back away from the "breaking news". Like not being quite the 100% DNA match first put out!!! Clumps of hair....Still like to know if this is true!!!

I read an article yesterday. Sorry, just looked for it and couldn't find it again.
The jist of it was a DNA expert was saying that in his opinion it would be impossible to be certain the DNA "found" was Madeleine's and not another family member.
As for the hair. He would have been surprised if they hadn't found some of Madeleine's hair in the car as her things would be with the rest of the families posessions. And while it is possible to test for sedatives it would be impossible to tell the amount of sedatives used. And therefore prove an overdose. We would be back to dangerous speculation again.

And the Portugese police themselves have said even they cannot be certain that Madeleine is dead.

IMO. They have no idea what happened to Madeleine. They are fishing and hoping to catch something...someone!!!

Thats why I want to know facts, not rumors and inuendo.

I do hope they are still looking for Madeleine, but after the last few weeks I doubt it...I'm sad to say.

DNA whiz offers help

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/dna-whiz-offers-help/2007/09/13/1189276885201.html

<<The parents of Madeleine McCann have reportedly been offered the help of a top British DNA expert who has said he would act as a witness if it came to a trial over the girl's disappearance.>>

 

[narlacat]

Ahh - she might have meant the UK Sun. Sure, that's a tabloid. BUT that story about the boat was the same story as reported by News Nine in the link in that same mail. I've read the story a few places here in the European papers - non-tabloid, mainly - this morning (sadly, I am not in Oz today), but so far it looks to have no supporting evidence, other than the sniffer dogs tracing the cadaver smell there. I have yet to read that there is any evidence the McCanns were ever on a boat there.


Shrinky

PS. You're right about News Nine, too. The ratings are the best, but I don't know that they would win a real popularity poll, lol.

- it was the same story as reported by Nine in the link- glad we've got that sorted lol

No...I never watch Nine- ABC kid here oh and 10 because of Neighbours :blushing:

 

[shrinkydink]

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this somewhere else already, but is relates the Joana Cipriano case to Madeleine McCann:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1283987,00.html

Shrinky

 

[narlacat]

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this somewhere else already, but is relates the Joana Cipriano case to Madeleine McCann:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1283987,00.html

Shrinky

Thanks Shrinky- I hadn't read that article- not sure if someone has already posted it.

 

[rashomon]

omg that is absurd! Is every newspaper in the UK a rag mag?

"The Sun" is certainly one of the worst trash papers they have in the UK.

 

[petra]

MEDIA BLITZ

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/15/europe/EU-GEN-Britain-Missing-Girl.php

 

[petra]

ALL NEWS ARTICLES UPDATED

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=Madeleine+McCann

 

[colomom]

Copied from: http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=latest&action=display&thread=1182386581&page=28 post #412

(Translation posted, with permission)

A column by comedian Ricardo Araujo Pereira, in Visao, September 13, 2007:

Like a strength that nobody can stop

I’ve been following with a great deal of interest and emotion the Portugal-England [match].

Maybe the reader is now finding it difficult, given the fact that the country is involved in so many sports challenges, to discover which one we are disputing with the English. I’m talking about the championship of missing children. At the moment, the challenge is at its peak, and the supporters are, as it is usual to say, a show within the show. We yell from here: “As-sas-sins! As-sas-sins!” They yell back: “In-com-pe-tents! In-com-pe-tents!” Then we shout: “Pee-Jay! Pee-Jay!” And they chant: “McCanns, you’ll never walk alone!” It causes goosebumps.

For anyone who has failed to follow the competition since the beginning, I have been gathering clippings from the national and the British press, which allow us to follow the evolution of the dispute. Here they are:

Portuguese press: “An alleged girl, allegedly English, who was spending an alleged holiday in the alleged Algarve, allegedly disappeared from the alleged hotel where she was allegedly staying.”

English press: “A British citizen, beautiful like an angel, was abducted in the Algarve today. Five minutes after the crime, the Portuguese police still didn’t know the kidnappers’ identity, which probably are in great number and of Arabic origin.”

Portuguese press: “The British couple whose child disappeared in Portimao was heard by the Judiciaria today. The English had a sad, tearful face, which is proper for someone who is guilty of something.”

English press: “The Portuguese police interrogated the McCanns today, instead of going out into the terrain to search for the perpetrators. As usual with citizens in the Third World, they prefer less tiresome activities over the ones that really involve working.”

Portuguese press: “Although it’s obvious the parents are no good, the prestigious Policia Judiciaria (considered to be one of the world’s best) is still searching selflessly for the kidnappers of the English girl, when they would do better to use their time searching equally missing Portuguese children. We’d like to remind you that in the latest confrontations between Portugal and England in international football competitions, Portugal always won.”

British press: “The McCanns returned to civilization today, coming from Portugal, where they have been made arguidos by the authorities of that African country. Wait a second, I’ve just checked the map and it seems that Portugal is in Europe. But barely so.”

Portuguese press: “Kate and Gerry McCann, the couple from the United Kingdom, which is also home to Jack, the Ripper (an assassin that, by the way, the British police has so far failed to catch), have sheltered themselves in their country, where they possess a hiding-place in the Leicester area.”

And this is the moment we’re at.