General Discussion Thread No. 17

[SleuthMom]

I wonder what the first "source" of that is? Curious . . .


I don't think Sleuthing works from the Unknown-In. I think solving a crime works from the known facts outward.

People here get criticized for believing wild scenarios, but it makes no sense to me that we should go and search in other countries for "unknown" suspects. How could we do that through the Internet? We would just be speculating and it would all be hazy. Absolutely no one has been a suspect except Murat and the McCanns. If there was anyone else, we would all be researching them, I'm sure.

So I don't know what we can do except discuss the McCanns. All I do usually is just link to news stories or to the McCann's interviews. I believe alot of their statements speak for themselves.

You are absolutely right, that's why I suggested to Aftermidnight to bring up her points because honestly I do not know what other suspects she has in mind.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

...I don't care what anyone on this or any board believes about child care, if it was/is permissible at some resorts/hotels, then I see no fault. Back in the "good old days" of the United States, children were left alone a lot more frequently than most know. Some were left for days - from necessity....

I wonder if Kate and Gerry would be willing to leave 100% of "the fund" in CASH in an unlocked apartment in Portugal, and only listen at the door periodically to see if it was okay?

 

[SleuthMom]

I wonder if Kate and Gerry would be willing to leave 100% of "the fund" in CASH in an unlocked apartment in Portugal, and only listen at the door periodically to see if it was okay?

That depends, is that something commonly done in Europe? :crazy:

 

[Barnaby]

I wonder if Kate and Gerry would be willing to leave 100% of "the fund" in CASH in an unlocked apartment in Portugal, and only listen at the door periodically to see if it was okay?

Excellent point Interested, I would wager a bet that their money & passports were all locked away in the apartment safe on May 3rd.

 

[Tuba]

Reading statements by the staff at the Tapas re: Russell O'Brien. The meal arrived at 9 p.m. and he had not arrived, so his plate was returned to the kitchen for warming. Yet he & Oldfield left at 9:25 according to this report and all others I've seen. He got back at 10. We know he had fresh clothes on. He must have scarfed his food when he first arrived. Certainly he could have been tending to his daughter (same age as Madeleine) but something about his timeline bothers me. I also read, staff being the source, that Kate was the only one who did not search for Madeleine. Maybe she & the others decided she had been stay at 5A in case the child returned. Gerry was crying as well as calling for his daughter but Kate did not shed a tear. It has already been reported everywhere that she was visibly distraught.

 

[Texana]

That depends, is that something commonly done in Europe? :crazy:

Yes! It's called a money-listening service! Someone will come around and listen at the door to see if your money and passports are resting quietly.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Yes! It's called a money-listening service! Someone will come around and listen at the door to see if your money and passports are resting quietly.

Yes, you can leave your door unlocked and everything - just like being in your backgarden.

 

[mjak]

I don't have a problem with discussion - even about the "possible" darker side of people. I believe I'm put off by the accusations (I have heard the McCanns referred to as murders on this board), the innuendo, and the lack of evidence for any of it. I'm not even sure I agree about leaving the children alone. I don't care what anyone on this or any board believes about child care, if it was/is permissible at some resorts/hotels, then I see no fault. Back in the "good old days" of the United States, children were left alone a lot more frequently than most know. Some were left for days - from necessity. It's a recent innovation that the govt gets involved in child care, cigarette smoking, who thinks what about the holocaust, and every other aspect of our lives. There is a pattern here, and I feel sad when I see people falling into the trap. If it was an accepted practice to use baby monitors, phones, or walk through tending of children, then I find no fault with the McCanns.

I do not care what governement or authority figure might declare it okay to leave 2 and 3 year olds home alone . It is not acceptable and no responsible sane adult should do it. If you know of a government who sanctions this can you please post me a link as i am curious. Caring for our chidlren is not about what the law tells us we can or can not do. It is all about our responsiblity as adults. Yes, of course this is a legal responsiblity but most importantiltly it is a humanistic and ethical one and anybody who thinks 2 and 3 year olds can be left alone is putting babies in danger and that is a failure of our most important responsiblity and that is to care for our young. I am 40 years old and my parents never left me home alone. The concern back then might not have been about abduction but 2 and 3 year olds are not capable of caring for themselves. It is a danger to leave them alone. Sorry I can not be open about this issue. For me it is not debatable, even if it is sanctioned by every government on this planet and the wizard of oz.

mjak

 

[Texana]

Yes, you can leave your door unlocked and everything - just like being in your backgarden.

Exactly! And it feels so safe.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Exactly! And it feels so safe.

And "feeling safe" is exactly the same thing as "being a responsible parent."

*Nods Wisely* :crazy:

 

[Trino]

How much time have the McCanns physically spent looking for Madeline? Maybe they expected to find her as they jogged along the beach?

 

[SleuthMom]

Texana and ThoughtFox, you all are wicked like me. LOL

 

[CaliKid]

I posted this on the Gerry's Blog thread, but I know everyone checks in here, so I'm posting it again. I found this on the Missing Forum, and it's really a good resource:

A new Archive of all the posts on Gerry's Blog

Edit: Looking at this again, there are dates missing at the bottom of the page, so it's not as "complete" as I thought. However, you can read it in order. If anyone has copies of the earlier posts that are missing, perhaps you could send them to the website owner?

TF, Gerry didn't begin writing his blog until late May. The reason there are blanks is because there are no entries for that day. We already have a copy of the blog, and it's here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53316

 

[CaliKid]

Do some research on Murat - there seems, according to one article, a hidden room in the villa. There's a lot going on here - some of it is dirty dust from greedy newspapers, tired accusations from posters all over with nothing better or worse to say, and insults about the parents. Why not really dig? What could be "new" that we've overlooked? What have we missed? I know there are missing elements that have yet to be explored - why not do it?

AM, the hidden room has already been explained. The former owner of the villa was the builder and put in the hidden room himself. The PJ also examined it thoroughly.

 

[JMCDAD]

I have a question

If something accidently happened to Maddie or any one of the McCann's children while they were having dinner (a fall, drowned in bathtub, poisoned themselves) wouldn't they have been charged with a crime. (negligence, manslaughter etc)

So something did happen to Maddie, so the parents should be charged either directly, if proven, or indirectly responsible at the least.

 

[gord]

I have a question

If something accidently happened to Maddie or any one of the McCann's children while they were having dinner (a fall, drowned in bathtub, poisoned themselves) wouldn't they have been charged with a crime. (negligence, manslaughter etc)

So something did happen to Maddie, so the parents should be charged either directly, if proven, or indirectly responsible at the least.

I dont know about Portugal or the States - but here in the UK the law has a few grey areas

It isnt actualy against the law to leave your child alone .

However, it is an offence to leave a child alone when doing so puts him or her at risk. Which I am sure could be the case here .

But like all cases you have to have the due process - you cant just throw them in jail for child neglect as someone suggested - you need charges and then either remand / bail etc

The Mccaans arent going anywhere - If after this whole mess gets sorted then the authorities can decide what they want to do

But at the moment

 

[JMCDAD]

I dont know about Portugal or the States - but here in the UK the law has a few grey areas

It isnt actualy against the law to leave your child alone .

However, it is an offence to leave a child alone when doing so puts him or her at risk. Which I am sure could be the case here .

But like all cases you have to have the due process - you cant just throw them in jail for child neglect as someone suggested - you need charges and then either remand / bail etc

The Mccaans arent going anywhere - If after this whole mess gets sorted then the authorities can decide what they want to do

But at the moment

Thanks that makes sense, I just wondered if there was a loophole there where if a child hurts itself the parents would in most cases be held responsible whereas if the child is allegedly abducted than that is not as clearly/easily charged.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Murat and his family are asking the authorities to clear his name:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6992237,00.html

 

[Pinkhammer]

Maddies' DNA...I just read the articles supplied by colomom. It got me to thinking...WHAT IF? What if Kate had a lover and they had sex on the day before the in vitro procedure. What if Maddie was the result, and further, what if this lover was one of the Tapas Men? What if Gerry found out that Maddie was not his child BEFORE they went to the Algarve?

Just speculating here.

 

[strach304]

Maddies' DNA...I just read the articles supplied by colomom. It got me to thinking...WHAT IF? What if Kate had a lover and they had sex on the day before the in vitro procedure. What if Maddie was the result, and further, what if this lover was one of the Tapas Men? What if Gerry found out that Maddie was not his child BEFORE they went to the Algarve?

Just speculating here.

I believe that is what the latest leaks want us to believe or at least a similar version. :sick: