General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

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I do not think there was ever a motive... it happened and a cover up ensued!

IF it was an accident invoving drugs and the players got rid of her to avoid jail time Guess What? IT DID NOT WORK! They ended up in jail anyway~

MOO ...it's was more sinister than that... like he f-d up with the abuse of Haleigh( regardless of who did the deed) it went too far and was being covered up so Ron wouldn't lose Jr too. All he wanted was to keep Jr away from Crystal... to me IMO it was always just a game to him. IMO Ron cared more about "winning" the game even if it meant he lost a child in the process.
 
I do not think there was ever a motive... it happened and a cover up ensued!

IF it was an accident invoving drugs and the players got rid of her to avoid jail time Guess What? IT DID NOT WORK! They ended up in jail anyway~

MOO ...it's was more sinister than that... like he f-d up with the abuse of Haleigh( regardless of who did the deed) it went too far and was being covered up so Ron wouldn't lose Jr too. All he wanted was to keep Jr away from Crystal... to me IMO it was always just a game to him. IMO Ron cared more about "winning" the game even if it meant he lost a child in the process.

I totally agree that this is possible with the issues of anger, control, and drugs involved in this case. I also agree that there is no motive. None. Very, very sad.
 
My scenarios are:

1) Ron was fighting with Misty and Haleigh got in the way; Ron hit or pushed Haleigh and she suffered injuries that were not immediately apparent, i.e., "she was doing fine" that evening. Her condition took a turn for the worse probably by 9 or 10 PM. I do not think it was much later than that because I feel the cover-up and staging required some time to be accomplished effectively. If this scenario is close to what happened, it could explain Ron's fear of being implicated, which would explain his subsequent involvement in the cover-up.

2) Revenge/Retaliation: It seems reasonable to consider that someone wanted revenge against Ron. He had snitched his way through life to save his own azz; perhaps his snitching put someone behind bars for a long time, or cost someone their life. A relative or close ally of that person could have sworn revenge. Given his lifestyle, Ron may have crossed paths with an individual or a group that would not hesitate to do whatever was necessary for revenge. Might they have known the best way to exact revenge against Ronald Cummings was by attacking "his heart"?

My immediate thought on the morning of February 10th after seeing Misty appear teary-eyed on TV going over her timeline of the night before was that Haleigh had died accidentally, Misty panicked and covered it up. Over the next few days, it seemed probable that Misty might have gone off on Haleigh in anger and she died as a result. Misty's account of being asleep when Haleigh disappeared did not ring true for even a minute. There were too many red flags in Misty's posture, her voice, and her choice of words. Her account sounded more like memorized words than memory of events.

Then I studied the 911 call and my thoughts switched from Misty to Ron.

Ron "was at work" and, even though we have never seen anything that verifies his work hours, I do believe he was at work when Haleigh died. But this does not exonerate him, imo.

I believe when Ron found out about Haleigh he was truly devastated. I do not think Ron deliberately did anything to cause her demise, and I believe some of his ranting heard on the 911 call to be genuine grief. However, in the middle of emotional outburst and threats of killing whoever "stole" his daughter, I hear fear. I believe many things were going through Ron's mind--one being that he might in some way be responsible for what happened.

I doubt Misty killed Haleigh. Ron would not let her get away with that; he would have beat the carp out of her to find that out, imo. I believe the same holds for Tommy, Timmy, and Joe. I just cannot wrap my mind around the idea that any of the Croslins or JO did this crime and Ron did not have an inkling. I have a huge problem with the story of JO did the deed and Tommy and Misty kept quiet out of fear, partly because JO seems hardly a threat living so far away, but mostly because it does not explain Ron's involvement. And Ron's behavior after Haleigh went missing screams of his involvement, imo.

If this was not revenge/retaliation, I believe Haleigh could be the victim of discipline gone wrong--discipline administered before Ron left for work--which explains his part in the cover-up. Ron refused to allow anyone to delve into his personal life, even if it hindered the investigation. We also have Ratgate, Ron's attempts to forbid Misty to even have phone contact with Timmy after he had moved to MA, and Ron's continued alliance with Misty up until the time they were arrested on drug charges. There are far too many red flags in Ron's behavior to be ignored. At times he appeared to be a grieving father, but more often he appeared to be a man with something major to hide.

I am still not able to let go of a revenge scenario. This scenario could explain the fear factor that Misty and Tommy talk about currently. I cannot fathom any of the players living in constant and continuing fear of Cousin Joe, so maybe there was someone else at the MH that February night--someone sinister and truly threatening. It has been mentioned that Misty had been threatened with a gun in her mouth not to talk. Misty said this was a rumor, that it never happened, and went on to say that even if it had happened she would not be afraid, she would still talk. But I wonder...
 
according to Lindsy she and Tommy were asleep... so who at the residence was talking to LE?

I now wonder if LE was on Tyler for someone else? Maybe they were not at Tommy and Lindsey's house? Or could it be that when Misty placed the call she was at Tyler and LE picked up the location through the 911 Call while she was walking back over to Green?
Oh my, I am confusing myself now lol, because when reading the 911 transcript I thought LE was at Tyler around 2 something in the am, but they didn't say what for. :banghead: Why is it so hard to get a straight answer from anyone? Even LE. IMO, if LE would clarify a few things there would not be so many rumors. I can understand that they need to keep certain information private, but what harm would it do to say yes or no to questions like this one and then say that is all that can be disclosed at this time. I think it is time for me to go for that walk again...LOL. This case is so frustrating! I feel bad for the innocent family members that are dealing with this tragedy!
 
So Mrs. P. calls LE on Feb 4th to complain about the Croslin dog, and since LE was all over the place on the 10th, they decided to hand out a citation at 11 a.m.? okie dokie. Explains away that. Now, if we could only figure out why they were there around the time of Misty's 911 call, we'd all sleep better.
 
So Mrs. P. calls LE on Feb 4th to complain about the Croslin dog, and since LE was all over the place on the 10th, they decided to hand out a citation at 11 a.m.? okie dokie. Explains away that. Now, if we could only figure out why they were there around the time of Misty's 911 call, we'd all sleep better.

Must be they had an extra officers to go handing out nuisance dog citations on the 10th. Who knows. In my opinion the better explanation is that Misty told them she often took walks with Haleigh to the 116 Tyler address, and that made it more of an interest to officers and the dog citation was a good reason to show up unannounced.

This just reinforces my opinion that LE has been interested and monitoring the actions of certain members of the Croslin family since , well literally, Day 1.
 
I also find it even more suspicious that the car responded to 116 Tyler soon after hearing that there was something going on at 202 Green Lane. Intuition on the part of that officer maybe that if something was going on in the neighborhood check out what was going on at 116 Tyler too? I don't just this is JMO and thoughts.
 
Hardy didn't say there were 7 POI's, he said SEVERAL.


As long as they keep saying "several" POI's.......it means they are no closer to solving this than they were before. Frustrating.
 
I also find it even more suspicious that the car responded to 116 Tyler soon after hearing that there was something going on at 202 Green Lane. Intuition on the part of that officer maybe that if something was going on in the neighborhood check out what was going on at 116 Tyler too? I don't just this is JMO and thoughts.

Elle, where did that info come from?
 
I also find it even more suspicious that the car responded to 116 Tyler soon after hearing that there was something going on at 202 Green Lane. Intuition on the part of that officer maybe that if something was going on in the neighborhood check out what was going on at 116 Tyler too? I don't just this is JMO and thoughts.

The simplest explanation IMO is that Misty and Ronald were asked about relatives in the vicinity and they went on the off chance that Haleigh would be there. Otherwise they may have noticed (while driving to Green Lane) that all the other houses were dark and people were sleeping but there were lights on and activity going on at 116 Tyler, and thought it might be a good place to start investigating. Or maybe the 911 operator and/or the sheriff's people were familiar with the name Croslin and recognized Misty's last name and thought, hey, that family of hers is trouble, let's check them out. (IDK how well they had flown under the radar before Haleigh's disappearance? )
 
My scenarios are:

1) Ron was fighting with Misty and Haleigh got in the way; Ron hit or pushed Haleigh and she suffered injuries that were not immediately apparent, i.e., "she was doing fine" that evening. Her condition took a turn for the worse probably by 9 or 10 PM. I do not think it was much later than that because I feel the cover-up and staging required some time to be accomplished effectively. If this scenario is close to what happened, it could explain Ron's fear of being implicated, which would explain his subsequent involvement in the cover-up.

2) Revenge/Retaliation: It seems reasonable to consider that someone wanted revenge against Ron. He had snitched his way through life to save his own azz; perhaps his snitching put someone behind bars for a long time, or cost someone their life. A relative or close ally of that person could have sworn revenge. Given his lifestyle, Ron may have crossed paths with an individual or a group that would not hesitate to do whatever was necessary for revenge. Might they have known the best way to exact revenge against Ronald Cummings was by attacking "his heart"?

My immediate thought on the morning of February 10th after seeing Misty appear teary-eyed on TV going over her timeline of the night before was that Haleigh had died accidentally, Misty panicked and covered it up. Over the next few days, it seemed probable that Misty might have gone off on Haleigh in anger and she died as a result. Misty's account of being asleep when Haleigh disappeared did not ring true for even a minute. There were too many red flags in Misty's posture, her voice, and her choice of words. Her account sounded more like memorized words than memory of events.

Then I studied the 911 call and my thoughts switched from Misty to Ron.

Ron "was at work" and, even though we have never seen anything that verifies his work hours, I do believe he was at work when Haleigh died. But this does not exonerate him, imo.

I believe when Ron found out about Haleigh he was truly devastated. I do not think Ron deliberately did anything to cause her demise, and I believe some of his ranting heard on the 911 call to be genuine grief. However, in the middle of emotional outburst and threats of killing whoever "stole" his daughter, I hear fear. I believe many things were going through Ron's mind--one being that he might in some way be responsible for what happened.

I doubt Misty killed Haleigh. Ron would not let her get away with that; he would have beat the carp out of her to find that out, imo. I believe the same holds for Tommy, Timmy, and Joe. I just cannot wrap my mind around the idea that any of the Croslins or JO did this crime and Ron did not have an inkling. I have a huge problem with the story of JO did the deed and Tommy and Misty kept quiet out of fear, partly because JO seems hardly a threat living so far away, but mostly because it does not explain Ron's involvement. And Ron's behavior after Haleigh went missing screams of his involvement, imo.

If this was not revenge/retaliation, I believe Haleigh could be the victim of discipline gone wrong--discipline administered before Ron left for work--which explains his part in the cover-up. Ron refused to allow anyone to delve into his personal life, even if it hindered the investigation. We also have Ratgate, Ron's attempts to forbid Misty to even have phone contact with Timmy after he had moved to MA, and Ron's continued alliance with Misty up until the time they were arrested on drug charges. There are far too many red flags in Ron's behavior to be ignored. At times he appeared to be a grieving father, but more often he appeared to be a man with something major to hide.

I am still not able to let go of a revenge scenario. This scenario could explain the fear factor that Misty and Tommy talk about currently. I cannot fathom any of the players living in constant and continuing fear of Cousin Joe, so maybe there was someone else at the MH that February night--someone sinister and truly threatening. It has been mentioned that Misty had been threatened with a gun in her mouth not to talk. Misty said this was a rumor, that it never happened, and went on to say that even if it had happened she would not be afraid, she would still talk. But I wonder...

BBM I believe this with my whole heart. There is no way Ron doesn't know what happened to HaLeigh that night.
 
Elle, where did that info come from?

The radio transmissions. It is my opinion after listening to the radio transmissions that a unit did in fact respond to 116 Tyler on the night that Haleigh was missing.(and someone from 116 Tyler reported that she was seen one and a half hours ago inside her residence)
 
The simplest explanation IMO is that Misty and Ronald were asked about relatives in the vicinity and they went on the off chance that Haleigh would be there. Otherwise they may have noticed (while driving to Green Lane) that all the other houses were dark and people were sleeping but there were lights on and activity going on at 116 Tyler, and thought it might be a good place to start investigating. Or maybe the 911 operator and/or the sheriff's people were familiar with the name Croslin and recognized Misty's last name and thought, hey, that family of hers is trouble, let's check them out. (IDK how well they had flown under the radar before Haleigh's disappearance? )


yes, that makes sense, but, I believe that Misty would have been the one giving the info because the only report we have seen say that RC was unable to give any useful information that night. I do have to wonder what the other officer's reports will say and what kind of story they will tell. There was more than just the one responding officer that night and I have been told there should be numerous case narratives of what transpired, according to them, that early morning.....I sure can't wait to read those!

Maybe even one from the unit that responded from Tyler , who knows.
 
BBM I believe this with my whole heart. There is no way Ron doesn't know what happened to HaLeigh that night.

Welcome to Websleuths, Owlface.

I share your opinion about Ronald Cummings knowing what happened. I also believe Teresa Neves and GGM Sykes know as well. To explain my reasoning for this opinion, I can show you better than I can tell you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTbuh368z-g

I can't come close to understanding the calm, nonchalant reaction of GGM Sykes to the horrible story from Granny Flo on the 4/22 Nancy Grace Show.

Unless, GGM already knows what really happened to Haleigh and Granny Flo's story isn't it.
 
Ron is involved or he isn't. I think he is. Even if he isn't, there is enough blame to go round in this family. I can't get past the fact that LE hasn't cleared him. I cannot believe that he hasn't taken it upon himself to provide proof that he was at work to prove to the world he is innocent. I cannot believe that there is no plea for months now for Haleighs return. Oh, they believe she is dead as of recently. But what about all that time before.
LE needs to clear him so we can move on if he is not a suspect. I would think they would clear him out of respect for a grieving parent if he is cleared. So why not just say Ron is clear????
 
I have a great deal of respect for your opinions Papa but I have to disagree with you on your thoughts that GGM Sykes' reaction to the shocking story outlined by Flo and feel her lack of reaction was actually as if the wind had been taken from her. I think GGM was angry and shocked that NG would have posed such a question to her. Really NG? What do you think she thinks of that possibility Nancy?

IMO NG was trying to get a big emotional reaction from GGM by blindsiding her with this story and GGM simply said she had never heard that particular story of MC (one of MANY misty has told). What exactly should she have done when confronted with yet another third hand story supposedly told by a known and frequent liar? Should she have perhaps thrown herself down onto the ground weeping and wailing? Oh no, wait a minute, that's what RC did when his child went missing and it has been used as the basis for alot of people to say he was acting for the cameras. It has been used to attempt to illustrate guilt on his part.

I saw nothing in GGM Sykes interview on the granny smackdown that made me believe she lied or was uncaring or duplicitous. I saw a lady whose grandchild is missing presumed dead being set up by a low blow question from NG for the sole purpose of ratings. I also saw a grandmother that didn't rise to the bait.

I enjoy your posts but on this particular point, I must say, my opinion differs from your.
 
Welcome to Websleuths, Owlface.

I share your opinion about Ronald Cummings knowing what happened. I also believe Teresa Neves and GGM Sykes know as well. To explain my reasoning for this opinion, I can show you better than I can tell you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTbuh368z-g

I can't come close to understanding the calm, nonchalant reaction of GGM Sykes to the horrible story from Granny Flo on the 4/22 Nancy Grace Show.

Unless, GGM already knows what really happened to Haleigh and Granny Flo's story isn't it.

I truly believe GGS has had a very difficult life. She had to raise many grandchildren & great grandchildren, and even to this day is helping everyone out. She lost her husband and had many tramas in her life. For all she had been through, I believe she has become hardened. Not in a nasty type of way just that she won't let anyone see her with her guard down.

I feels she has known all along what happened. I just pray the others in the group spared her from helping with the cover-up.

GOD BLESS LITTLE HALEIGH
 
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