General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[debs]

How long does Lindsy's power-of-attorney for Tommy last? It was filed 2/8/10

 

[Emeralgem]

This may explain why LE was on Tyler St. Feb 9-10, 2009.


"Snip" http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
UCN: 542009CO000052XXAXCX
File Date: 2009-02-27 Judge: JAMES L PADGETT
Defense Atty:

Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2009-02-27 1 LOCAL ORD CITN: #09-1334 (02-10-09) PCSO/R CLARKE

2009-02-27 1 PUBLIC ANIMAL NUSIANCE

2009-02-27 1 $57.00 FINE DUE 03/12/2009

2009-02-27 2 OFFICER'S REPORT

2009-04-17 3 $57.00 LOCAL ORDINANCE FINE PAID

Too bad LE can't interview that dog... I suspect the dog being reported as a nuisance was due to some activiity going on around the dumpster..JMO

 

[doobiedoo52]

This may explain why LE was on Tyler St. Feb 9-10, 2009.


"Snip" http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
UCN: 542009CO000052XXAXCX
File Date: 2009-02-27 Judge: JAMES L PADGETT
Defense Atty:

Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2009-02-27 1 LOCAL ORD CITN: #09-1334 (02-10-09) PCSO/R CLARKE

2009-02-27 1 PUBLIC ANIMAL NUSIANCE

2009-02-27 1 $57.00 FINE DUE 03/12/2009

2009-02-27 2 OFFICER'S REPORT

2009-04-17 3 $57.00 LOCAL ORDINANCE FINE PAID

Someone looked up the police report on that. It happened later--like at 11 am or 1 pm---it's probably in the same thread about the dispatch.

 

[doobiedoo52]

This is all driving us ..up the wall...with this location of Tyler being responded to by the LE over SOMEONE calling them to go/come out to Tyler...I still feel that Toc/his wife were involved in the calling of the LE..Perhaps this was the ORIGINAL plan for the 911 call...and at the last minute..the plan was changed for Misty to call the 911...Who knows??????

The bad part about the transcript is officers are labelled wrong. You really need to listen to
the tape itself and read what is being said. This part of the conversation is before the Tyler
Street info showing that 1256 was responding earlier and on her way to Green Lane. For some
reason the person who transcribed this has FLE1 and FLE2 both being officer 1256.


FLE1: I’m 10:26. (Message received) I’ll be 10:8 (Inservice)in just a couple.
10:51.(enroute to call)

OP: 10:4. 1256. (Acknowledging officer 1256)

FLE1: You got a cross street?

OP: Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler Street, left on Monroe Avenue. It’s going to be in Satsuma.


And again, right before the 116 Tyler info:

FLE2: Advice 1256.(Officer 1256 wants info)

OP: 1256.

FLE2: There is a railroad that runs right through there. Can we find out from CSA(?)
when next train come through?

OP: 10:4. It just passed through

 

[elle1919]

Too bad LE can't interview that dog... I suspect the dog being reported as a nuisance was due to some activiity going on around the dumpster..JMO

Em I always believed that the call was related to a dog. Lyndsy stated Tommy got up in the middle of the night to take out his dog, often. Or, the dog could have been ticked off because Tommy went out in the middle of the night and didn't take him ( as it's used to). Perhaps LE never got around to checking into the nuisance call until around that time.

Anyway, I have always believed that the dog call was related, something was going on around there and I agree too bad the dog couldn't be interviewed.

 

[Donjeta]

Someone looked up the police report on that. It happened later--like at 11 am or 1 pm---it's probably in the same thread about the dispatch.

Was the dog just barking or doing something else to be a nuisance?

I can't imagine calling the police about a dog barking in the daytime if I was aware that there is a massive search for a missing child going on in my neighborhood. I'd be a bit ashamed to call, in fact, I'd think that they have more important things to attend to and my troubles with the dog would seem minor matters in comparison.

 

[elle1919]

Okay I posted the wrong one...too early. here is the one I did. It is a little different, but not much.

OP: 1271. 265. Signal 8. ( missing person)
MLE1: 1271. (officer 1271 calls responds to dispatch)
OP: 202 Green Lane. 2 zero 2 Green Lane. The complainant’s advising she cannot find her 5 year old daughter. The backdoor is open at this time.
MLE1: 10:4.( copies) _______51_____code _____17.
OP: It’s 51 code. Sierra 1120.
MLE1: 10:26. Go ahead and advise 1118, I believe she is in the squad room.
OP: 1118.
FLE1: I’m 10:26.( message received) I’ll be 10:8 ( in service)in just a couple. 10:51.( now in route)
OP: 10:4. 1256.
FLE1: You got a cross street?
OP: Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler Street, left on Monroe Avenue. It’s going to be in Satsuma.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: 1120.
MLES: I got the age on this kid. Is it a boy or girl?
OP: Whiskey Foxtrot. Last seen wearing her PJ’s.
MLE: 10:4.
FLE2: Advice 1256.
OP: 1256.
FLE2: There is a railroad that runs right through there. Can we find out from CSA(?) when next train come through?
OP: 10:4. It just passed through.
MLES: (short static)
OP: Sierra 1120.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: Can you 10:21? (10-21 means call station by phone)
MLES: 10:4….copy
FLE1: Lima 1118. 10:8( in service). 10:51(in route). Back.
OP: 10:4. ( copy)
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: Arvan(?) 20.
MLE1: I’m back en route now to that signal 8. Where is that located at in Satsuma?
OP: 202 Green Lane. From Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler Street, left on Monroe.
MLE1: 10:4. I’m not but a couple blocks. 10:4.
MLE1: 471 located 10:97. ( arrived on scene)
OP: 10:4. 1297. ( copy 1297)
OP: 1271 or 1256 to 13. (dispatch asking for update or status check)
MLE1: 77.
OP: cool. (?)
OP: Sierra 1120.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: When you get to 97, can you give us an update? ( dispatch asking for update)
MLES: They’re 77, they just haven’t located yet, but they’re 77.
OP: 10:4.
OP: Call back 1256. 1256. ____telephone____ordinary. Want me to call it in for you? 10:4.
FLE2: 1256.
FLE2: I’m available at 116 Tyler.
OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26.
MLE1: What’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256.
OP: Go head.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago..
OP: 10:4.MLES: Sierra 1120 to Lima 1118.
OP: Lima 1118. Sierra 1120. She advises 10:84. ( 10-84 is away from unit or portable)1118 was not working earlier.
MLES: Why not? (or what?)
FLE1: Lima 1118.
OP: 1118.
FLE2: Reference call at 19 and 20. We believe it’s gonna all be in the city. If not, let us know. So far.
OP: So far.
FLE2: She’ll 10:8 to 51 to the south end. Also, I’ve talked to a (or the) City Supervisor, they’ve got a K-9 10:8 that’s gonna be en route.
OP: 10:4.
FLE2: When you get a good 10:8 from this location, if ya’ll just give him driving directions to where he needs to go.
OP: 10:4.
(static)
OP: 10:4. Go ahead.
FLE2: It’s off of Tyler. Take left. It’s a little dirt trail which comes around to Green Lane. Come in at back.
OP: 10:4. Tyler, take left, dirt trail, advise take right.
FLE2: 10:4. ______the first dirt road.
OP: 1256. 10:80 to LA Tuck (?).
MLES: Sierra 1120 to 1271.
MLES: 1120 to 1271.
MLE3: 1271. Go ahead sir.
MLES: Stay at the residence, maintain that point of access, reference for (or to) K-9’s and do another thorough search from inside the house. (this is 6 minutes into the calls)
MLE3: That’s 10:4.
MLES: 1120 to 1256.
FLE2: Yes, Sgt.
MLES: Are you back at the uh, house?
FLE2: 10:4.
MLES: Is that 10:4 or 10:54?
FLE2: 10:4. I’m back on Green Lane.
MLES: 10:4. Go ahead and gather as much information as you can get about any family or anything around here and uh, go ahead and call in and get her reported a signal 8.
OP: 10:4. It’s already done, Sir..
FLE1: Lima 1118.
OP: 1118.

 

[Emeralgem]

Someone looked up the police report on that. It happened later--like at 11 am or 1 pm---it's probably in the same thread about the dispatch.

Are you saying someone reported a dog as being a nuisance after the neighborhood had been swarmed by LE, media, search teams, dogs from all over the area looking for Haleigh? Doesn't make any sense...

 

[Maven2379]

Are you saying someone reported a dog as being a nuisance after the neighborhood had been swarmed by LE, media, search teams, dogs from all over the area looking for Haleigh? Doesn't make any sense...

I believe the dog was barking on Feb 4th, and they went out there and issued the citation on the 10th. IHNI why they would worry about that on the 10th, when there was a search going on etc, maybe it was scheduled, who knows.

I do not think the barking dog is connected to Haleigh in any way, except maybe the dog did indeed bark that night, but due to the ongoing problem of it barking for hours on end, the neighbors thought nothing of it.

~JMO

 

[doobiedoo52]

Are you saying someone reported a dog as being a nuisance after the neighborhood had been swarmed by LE, media, search teams, dogs from all over the area looking for Haleigh? Doesn't make any sense...

Apparently someone did--maybe the dog got loose during all the hubbub and tried to bite someone or was threatening--it doesn't have any of the details, sorry.

 

[doobiedoo52]

I believe the dog was barking on Feb 4th, and they went out there and issued the citation on the 10th. IHNI why they would worry about that on the 10th, when there was a search going on etc, maybe it was scheduled, who knows.

I do not think the barking dog is connected to Haleigh in any way, except maybe the dog did indeed bark that night, but due to the ongoing problem of it barking for hours on end, the neighbors thought nothing of it.

~JMO

Maybe they served the citation then because they were already in the neighborhood--just a guess.

 

[elle1919]

I believe the dog was barking on Feb 4th, and they went out there and issued the citation on the 10th. IHNI why they would worry about that on the 10th, when there was a search going on etc, maybe it was scheduled, who knows.

I do not think the barking dog is connected to Haleigh in any way, except maybe the dog did indeed bark that night, but due to the ongoing problem of it barking for hours on end, the neighbors thought nothing of it.

~JMO

I am still hoping that the incident report that someone said they were waiting for can be posted to clear this matter up. I believe the nuisance call at that time is related but I would love nothing more than to be able to rule something out in this case and the incident report would help to do that. The docket lists the date of 2/10/09, I can't help but be suspicious of that.

UCN: 542009CO000052XXAXCX
File Date: 2009-02-27 Judge: JAMES L PADGETT
Defense Atty:

Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2009-02-27 1 LOCAL ORD CITN: #09-1334 (02-10-09) PCSO/R CLARKE
2009-02-27 1 PUBLIC ANIMAL NUSIANCE
2009-02-27 1 $57.00 FINE DUE 03/12/2009
2009-02-27 2 OFFICER'S REPORT
2009-04-17 3 $57.00 LOCAL ORDINANCE FINE PAID

 

[1Chump]

My sister had a brain aneurysm that was leaking. She was rushed to a major hospital for surgery.
The Dr. told my Dad she had a 50/50 chance of surviving, so my Dad told the Dr. he had a 50/50 chance of living.
He uttered a death threat in fear. Fear of his daughter dying.

In your Dad's situation, he knew what was going on with his Daughter. He was scared and treacted by making a comment. But he did not "think" it through. He did not mean it as a threat. He did not tell the doctor he was going to kill him. He did not say that he would go to jail. There was no thought...it was an excited utterance.

However, at the time of the 911 call, Ron had supposedly just found out that Haleigh was missing. He had not searched the house for Haleigh. Ron had not idea what had or had not happened to Haleigh.

But Ron had the complete story written. The beginning, the middle and the end of the story. The beginning that someone stole his daughter. The middle that he was going to kill the person that stole his daughter. The ending that he would go to jail for killing the person who stole his daughter.

IMO, Ron was trying to shout his innocence. Instead his story showed that he knew his daughter was harmed and he was either going to die or go to jail.

 

[Crosby87]

Could a person have popped off the window in either of the children’s bedrooms and entered the home this way? The windows on this trailer are situated very low so someone could easily have crawled through a window and unlocked the side doors before they went to grab HaLeigh who was lying just inside the master bedroom.

If two people were involved, perhaps one person replaced the window while the other person went inside or one of the two propped open the bedroom door and handed HaLeigh through the window to a person waiting at there. If there was one perp, he would have to exit the trailer with HaLeigh in his arms through the back door. After Misty turned the lights off, the perp knew when it was safe to enter. Jr was in the same bed as Misty and because he had taken a nap during the day, he was alerted to the crime while it was taking place because of the sound of squeaking floorboards but Misty slept through because she was tired and soundly asleep. The children’s bedrooms on the opposite side of the trailer were unoccupied so any noise a perp would make during his entry would be minimal. The perp concealed his identity from Jr because the bedroom was shrouded in darkness and he faced the wall where HaLeigh’s mattress was situated. He fled through the kitchen and out the back door into the secluded woods. Unfortunately Junior didn’t wake up Misty, and when she woke up, HaLeigh was gone. I do think Misty loved HaLeigh and Junior and wouldn’t harm them. This is a very easy home to burglarize and Misty and HaLeigh were easy prey.

 

[Spool]

I have heard many people say "I don't care if I go to prison for the rest of my life. I would kill anyone who molested my child"

I think it's said more often then one may think
I have heard both men and women say it

Hmmmmm...Suppose "some other dude" DID, in fact, molest his child or cause the demise of his child while at the home,hanging out with the Cees. Upon discovery, the enraged father takes justice into his own hands, beats up the SOD, and with the assistance of ToC, JO, MC, et al, drags the SOD down to the dock and throws him in, dead or alive. Haleigh is "gone" so the grieving family gives her a private burial near a loved one and all involved are sworn to secrecy. Just a theory, moo.

 

[Crosby87]

Could a person have popped off the window in either of the children’s bedrooms and entered the home? The windows on this trailer are situated very low so someone could easily have crawled through a window and unlocked the side doors before they went to grab HaLeigh who was lying just beyond the entrance to the master bedroom.

If two people were involved, one person could have replaced the window after the other perp handed them HaLeigh. If one person committed this crime, they unlocked the side doors after they entered the home. After Misty turned the lights off, the perp knew when it was safe to enter. Jr was in the same bed as Misty and because he had taken a nap during the day, he was alerted to the sound of squeaking floorboards but not Misty because she was tired and sound asleep. The children’s bedrooms are on the opposite side of the trailer and unoccupied so any noise a perp would make during his entry would be minimal. The perp was able to conceal his identity from Jr because it was dark in the bedroom and he faced the wall where HaLeigh’s mattress was situated during the invasion. He fled through the kitchen and out the back door into the secluded woods. Unfortunately Junior didn’t wake up Misty, and when she did, she noticed HaLeigh was gone. This is a very easy home to burglarize and Misty and HaLeigh were easy prey.

Have LE examined other windows of the home to determine whether they were tampered with?

 

[debs]

Could a person have popped off the window in either of the children’s bedrooms and entered the home? The windows on this trailer are situated very low so someone could easily have crawled through a window and unlocked the side doors before they went to grab HaLeigh who was lying just beyond the entrance to the master bedroom.

If two people were involved, one person could have replaced the window after the other perp handed them HaLeigh. If one person committed this crime, they unlocked the side doors after they entered the home. After Misty turned the lights off, the perp knew when it was safe to enter. Jr was in the same bed as Misty and because he had taken a nap during the day, he was alerted to the sound of squeaking floorboards but not Misty because she was tired and sound asleep. The children’s bedrooms are on the opposite side of the trailer and unoccupied so any noise a perp would make during his entry would be minimal. The perp was able to conceal his identity from Jr because it was dark in the bedroom and he faced the wall where HaLeigh’s mattress was situated during the invasion. He fled through the kitchen and out the back door into the secluded woods. Unfortunately Junior didn’t wake up Misty, and when she did, she noticed HaLeigh was gone. This is a very easy home to burglarize and Misty and HaLeigh were easy prey.

Have LE examined other windows of the home to determine whether they were tampered with?

Why take a sleeping Haleigh and not an alert JR? What perp would know the occupants were sleeping in the master bedroom, in order to determine that going through a bedroom would be simple access? If stealing a child out of the house was the sole purpose for entering the house, why leave two potential witnesses alive? Misty was alert enough to retell the story of Jr climbing OVER her after she went to bed. Why wouldn't she get up to see what he was doing?

There are too many questions to fill in to make this theory fit, IMO.

 

[Trident]

Em I always believed that the call was related to a dog. Lyndsy stated Tommy got up in the middle of the night to take out his dog, often. Or, the dog could have been ticked off because Tommy went out in the middle of the night and didn't take him ( as it's used to). Perhaps LE never got around to checking into the nuisance call until around that time.

Anyway, I have always believed that the dog call was related, something was going on around there and I agree too bad the dog couldn't be interviewed.

I think it's too bad even the reports we see from LE aren't consistent.

 

[Crosby87]

Why take a sleeping Haleigh and not an alert JR? What perp would know the occupants were sleeping in the master bedroom, in order to determine that going through a bedroom would be simple access? If stealing a child out of the house was the sole purpose for entering the house, why leave two potential witnesses alive? Misty was alert enough to retell the story of Jr climbing OVER her after she went to bed. Why wouldn't she get up to see what he was doing?

There are too many questions to fill in to make this theory fit, IMO.

Sorry debs, there are no holes in this theory. It worked like a charm.

 

[1Chump]

Why take a sleeping Haleigh and not an alert JR? What perp would know the occupants were sleeping in the master bedroom, in order to determine that going through a bedroom would be simple access? If stealing a child out of the house was the sole purpose for entering the house, why leave two potential witnesses alive? Misty was alert enough to retell the story of Jr climbing OVER her after she went to bed. Why wouldn't she get up to see what he was doing?

There are too many questions to fill in to make this theory fit, IMO.

You left out the part that while carrying Haleigh, he managed to unlock the door that had to be pushed in to unlock, then pulled the door open without tripping on all those dirty clothes, then bricked the screen door after he pushed it open.