General theory thread and motives rehashed #2

[Whisperer]

I still say that gun was placed in the ditch by ron or family to keep LE from taking it when the 911 was called. Afterall, what happened to ron's guns when le arrived after the 911. They didn't confiscate any from the house. That tells me that somebody took care of that. I think LE knew or found drugs but decided to pass on that and the Stat thing because of Haleigh. Their priority was Haleigh and they didn't want to get caught up in a media blitz. I think it was a bad decision.

Ron threatened to use a gun and later the LE wanted ron to hand over the gun he was going to sue to shoot the perp through the window of a patrol car.

 

[dodie20]

Correct me if Im wrong and I do get confused. But didnt Tommy voluntarily insinuate himself into the story when he revealed going to the mobile home to knock on the doors? Why put yourself at a crime scene - or whatever the term is - if you were guilty of part of it or had some fishy role in it or or if you had some knowledge about it that is best left unsaid (best for him, not for Haleigh, I mean.) And the whole bit about Joe has always struck me a red herring.

Yes he did put himself there, but nobody has ever accused Tommy, of being particularly clever. & I think he was very careful, (in his own mind, anyway), to put himself outside the trailer, only. I do believe he gave up that information, because #1 he was in jail & wanted out, & knew it would bolster LE's theory on an absentee Misty, & #2, because it removed himself, (again in his own mind), from the actual crime. He was just a helpful friend, checking on his sister. & also, if Tommy really had nothing to hide, when he told LE about his door banging, why didn't he tell them from the get go? Why did he wait til he was sitting in jail, (needing a fix, maybe?), to rat out his sister?

 

[lonetraveler]

He's the only attorney not doing the media game. He has managed to keep her quiet for the past months. I think she is resigned to her fate. I think he believes she is guilty of harming Haleigh and keeping quiet and going away for 25 yrs is better than life.

I think you nailed it on that one, Whisp. If he didn't think she was guilty he would have been encouraging Misty to tell all and racing to the SA to be first in line for a deal. But, with Misty failing all the polys no one is going to believe him when he states that she has already told all she knows. It is so deadly quiet and so obvious that she is not singing like a canary.

 

[lonetraveler]

They need to bring in timmy and see if he was anywhere near the van that night. Did JO share any info with timmy about misty needing help or is it the other way around? JO lawyered up early, rc lawyered up early. Tommy may have only contacted JO...we just don't know but tommy is in BIG trouble. Misty had to have called him (if he wasn't there already) to help her.

As I said before, it is much easier to solve a case with educated people who commit crime than those who aren't.

Yep, and on the LVA Misty went on and on about how close she and Timmy and that he was the good brother. He would be the first one she would call, amazingly Ron liked and trusted Timmy too.

 

[Dion]

Yep, and on the LVA Misty went on and on about how close she and Timmy and that he was the good brother. He would be the first one she would call, amazingly Ron liked and trusted Timmy too.

I think looking at who they were most likely to call for assistance could be telling. I think Misty would call Timmy before Tommy, and I think Ron could possibly have called his father.

 

[kant]

!:gavel: I object!

Love ya Lacy...just want to defend my heritage. I was born, raised and have lived in the Deep South all my life. In 49 years I have never seen anyone (nor do I know anyone) that would dramatically drop to their knees like Ron did... as though copying a scene from a bad actor.....except maybe in a television drama.

Southerners are often unfairly portrayed as hysterical "lawdy lawdy" shouting simple people, who live in shacks or trailers with their pet aligators, and who pole their pirogue's down the bayou.

:rant: Sorry for the rant...just don't want to be compared in ANY way to RC!

As far as theories...I go back and forth between these 3:

Misty - if it's her, the theory that seems plausible is Misty gave Haleigh oxyconin to get her to sleep because she herself was wanting to sleep off a drug binge. They got rid of her little body to prevent the detection of drugs.

Ron - if it's him, the theory that seems plausible is that he hurt Haleigh really bad BEFORE he went to work. Haleigh was put to bed and died from that trauma. They had to get rid of her little body to conceal the injuries. I never believed from the 911 call that Ron believed a stranger took Haleigh...he was more interested in calling Misty names than being outside searching door-to-door and calling Haleigh's name.

Joe - if it's him, the theory that would be plausible regards the gun he wanted back. When he couldn't find it (and was probably high on something) he had Misty call Ron over and over. When Ron didn't give up the gun's location, Joe became enraged...took Haleigh, went to his fav fishing spot on the river and threw her little body with the rope and cinder-block like grandma flo described in the aligator infested water. He suspiciously left FL right after Haleigh "vanished."

None of the people involved, INCLUDING RC, have told the complete truth about what happened to Haleigh. Poor Junior...I really hope Crystal has cleaned up her act and is taking good care of that little boy. He has been through and has seen too much already

So much word to the southern thing and other salient points -never done it myself and never seen it done.

Additionally, it was the whining and certain words ("...my child's life back") that were so disturbing and seemed off. Also, the part that did seem like true grief from Ron and Teresa seemed to me as more of a death grief than a "missing" grief. I didnt say that very well, but you get the drift.

 

[kant]

I can't recall at the moment but when rc dropped to his knees, hadn't he just made a big faux pas...isn't that when he said he would give his life for his daughter's life back? Correct me if I'm wrong..memory's getting froggy.

It was something to that effect. "I'd give anything for my daughter's life back."

The parent of a just gone missing (I hate that phrase) or abducted child (seems to me) would more likely say, "I'd give anything for my child back." not my child's life back - unless they knew the child was deceased... which so sadly is my (and others') contention.

 

[Dion]

In a case like this, where everyone is lying, how on earth do you separate fact from fiction. Certain things can be verified by a reliable source, but mostly we only have these jokers to mislead us. Haleigh is Ron’s daughter and he treats LE and others who are trying to find her, with contempt.

I think looking at some of their tactics, might lead to some truth. For example, what are they trying to make us believe? These lies seem the most convoluted, either by their excessive detail or simple unbelievability.

Ron didn’t just pick up Haleigh from the bus stop, but he also let her sit on his lap and help him drive the car. Misty was not just at the MH but she was playing Suzy Homemaker by cooking dinner, having family over, doing the laundry, before putting the kids to bed. And, before that, because Haleigh wanted to wear a specific outfit, despite being late for school, they took her to Gma’s house to accommodate her.

This is why I don’t believe any of this, but do wonder why they go into all this detail on these statements. It’s like “we have to say this, to cover up “this”. There are lots of other instances, and I would like to know what they believe they are covering up by these statements.

Also, I believe that Ron’s arrival before Misty called 911 was planned – he wanted to make sure that he was there to hear exactly what she was telling 911, all the while giving himself an alibi that he just arrived from work. He didn't trust her to say exactly what he wanted her to say, and that's why he was hovering around in the background.

 

[kant]

I dont know where to post this bc Marc Klass alluded to it on NG's show as a theory. He said that Ron liked young girls, and that perhaps he had friends who liked very, very young girls. That was a chilling thing to hear. My mind never went there.

 

[kant]

In a case like this, where everyone is lying, how on earth do you separate fact from fiction. Certain things can be verified by a reliable source, but mostly we only have these jokers to mislead us. Haleigh is Ron’s daughter and he treats LE and others who are trying to find her, with contempt.

I think looking at some of their tactics, might lead to some truth. For example, what are they trying to make us believe? These lies seem the most convoluted, either by their excessive detail or simple unbelievability.

Ron didn’t just pick up Haleigh from the bus stop, but he also let her sit on his lap and help him drive the car. Misty was not just at the MH but she was playing Suzy Homemaker by cooking dinner, having family over, doing the laundry, before putting the kids to bed. And, before that, because Haleigh wanted to wear a specific outfit, despite being late for school, they took her to Gma’s house to accommodate her.

This is why I don’t believe any of this, but do wonder why they go into all this detail on these statements. It’s like “we have to say this, to cover up “this”. There are lots of other instances, and I would like to know what they believe they are covering up by these statements.

Also, I believe that Ron’s arrival before Misty called 911 was planned – he wanted to make sure that he was there to hear exactly what she was telling 911, all the while giving himself an alibi that he just arrived from work. He didn't trust her to say exactly what he wanted her to say, and that's why he was hovering around in the background.

bbm

that bears repeating.

Also, it's statistically significant that a perp frequently has another individual make the 911 call or initiate the 911 call ... for what it's worth.

jus sayin

(And there are some FBI articles and info in the "Statement Analysis" thread here; some refer directly to 911 calls.)

moo
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[dodie20]

I think you nailed it on that one, Whisp. If he didn't think she was guilty he would have been encouraging Misty to tell all and racing to the SA to be first in line for a deal. But, with Misty failing all the polys no one is going to believe him when he states that she has already told all she knows. It is so deadly quiet and so obvious that she is not singing like a canary.

If Misty is guilty, I don't think her lawyer is doing her a service, by blindly, accepting the trafficking punishment. He knows Ron is getting ready to squeal...so, he needs to go ahead & level with Misty, get her to confess & work on her own deal. After listening to her sorry story, I really don't think a jury would stick it to her. They'd see she was in way over her head, with a bunch of adults who didn't give a rat's azz about her. Personally, I don't want Ron to get that deal, & if Misty's gonna be locked up for a long time anyway, I hope her lawyer can get her to come clean. & if in the process, LE's need for Ron, is taken away, well...you won't see me complaining. But, if Misty really isn't guilty, then shame on Fields for not hooking her up to a LDT & getting some straight answers. like...Did you kill Haleigh? also, regarding the exception to the mandatory minimums...would the same deal go to someone who solved a case in which she was the perp? like, get the drug charges dropped in exchange for a plea in the murder?

 

[Whisperer]

ron treats everyone with contempt though...that's the problem.

He can be charming if he has to, but he can't hold that very long.

 

[Whisperer]

Fields has had to give her an LDT...just to satisfy himself, I would think. I think Fields believes she is insane for the most part...I know he wouldn't have a hard time convincing me.

 

[Whisperer]

I dont know where to post this bc Marc Klass alluded to it on NG's show as a theory. He said that Ron liked young girls, and that perhaps he had friends who liked very, very young girls. That was a chilling thing to hear. My mind never went there.

I have been to that place since the beginning and back again. The reason I went there is due to the pathological narcissist traits. Many have boundary issues. Putting that aside, Klass was very emotional tonight. He is frustrated with the case..as we all are. I see where he is coming from though. It is difficult for all of us to imagine but not for those who have seen this before with cases.

I think Hardy played it wrong...keeping it under wrap this long and letting them ramble on and twist everything. I guess there is such a thing as too much rope.

 

[dodie20]

But if Ron is set to rat her out, wouldn't it be in her best interest to beat him to the punch? & try to avoid charges in both crimes? & you'd think that Fields would've tested her, (lol, she has taken her share of lie tests), but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[Whisperer]

True, I don't think rc will rat her out. It would be hard to do with implicating himself. He is all about him and how he thinks he looks to people..lol.

All of this case is about ron's image as a father. From the 911 call forward, every move and statement was made to tell us what a great father he is. To speak ill of misty, reflected on rc, so they avoided it. Now they are in a pickle because they are going to have to decide how to make ron look good while proving she killed or knew who killed Haleigh. They can't put him on a stand, the Defense for misty would make mincemeat out of him and he knows it.

What to do..rc is hoping misty pleads out, gets sentenced and then he and the family will float all their memoirs of why misty was guilty of harming Haleigh and how Ron is a hero and a martyr for being the one who put it all together and sacrificed himself for Haleigh.

In fact, I am sure that is half of this is in the letter from AS for the judge.

 

[dodie20]

I think you nailed it on that one, Whisp. If he didn't think she was guilty he would have been encouraging Misty to tell all and racing to the SA to be first in line for a deal. But, with Misty failing all the polys no one is going to believe him when he states that she has already told all she knows. It is so deadly quiet and so obvious that she is not singing like a canary.

well, it's hard to make the decision, to sing like a canary, when she has Ron sending her such loving, supportive messages, via his lawyer. But...the part about him thinking she's holding back, should worry her.

 

[dodie20]

Fields has had to give her an LDT...just to satisfy himself, I would think. I think Fields believes she is insane for the most part...I know he wouldn't have a hard time convincing me.

After watching her for over a year, I do believe something is wrong with her. How can somebody just shut out reality, like she does? especially, this reality.

 

[Concerned Papa]

well, it's hard to make the decision, to sing like a canary, when she has Ron sending her such loving, supportive messages, via his lawyer. But...the part about him thinking she's holding back, should worry her.

BBM

IMO, the last things we heard her say before the tapes dried up should worry HIM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql-p-IUI9Lc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKNQkAP89TI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kggn-4W2yxE

 

[Crosby87]

Jow was lawyered up in Satsuma? He had a lawyer in Florida when he went to see his family?

No, Joe hired the attorney who appeared at his side in his interview at his mother's house and accompanied him to his interview with LE when they appeared to question him about the HaLeigh Cummings case after he got himself in trouble with the law in TN while he was still a juvenile, therefore I concluded Joe was lawyered up before he went to visit his relatives in Satsuma which is true.