General theory thread and motives rehashed #2

[Crosby87]

I think the cops will know Misty is telling the truth, when she sits down with them, and implicates him and tells what happened that night. They know what happened, and know when Mistys story will be the truth, she just has to verify everything they already know, shes not there yet, that we know of. imo

I believe Misty would implicate Ron if she knew for certain he played a role in his daughter's disappearance. Misty said Ron never answered her question and explained why he didn't answer her phone calls before he suddenly showed up at the door. Was Ron lurking outside watching her freak out after she woke up and found the door open and HaLeigh gone? Possibly. The timing of his appearance is impeccable. If Ron was asked while under oath why he never answered Misty's calls, this case might be further ahead than it is today. Another good question to ask Ron on a LDT or under oath is: Do you want your daughter to come home? AFAIK, Ron had a key to the backdoor so he could have opened it and placed the brick there to make it appear like his daughter was abducted.

 

[leslie1960]

I wasn't quite sure where to put this; it has been discussed that Haleigh and Junior may have been drugged the evening of Haleigh's disappearance.

Drugging Kids for Parents' Relief Called Abusive
By Madison Park, CNN
July 22, 2010 1:10AM EDT

(CNN)-- If the kids become too much to handle, slip 'em a little cold medicine. It's an often repeated joke -- or advice -- that parents share on the playground or on Twitter and Facebook pages.

One mom, Jill Smokler, said she doesn't vilify parents who medicate their kids: "It's not the end of the world."

"It's certainly better than being pushed to edge, spanking a child or slamming doors or really losing it," she said.

But drugging children with over-the-counter or prescription medications can have unintended consequences, said the author of a research published Thursday, who likened the practice to child abuse.

The research, published in the Journal of Pediatrics, found an average 160 annual cases in which pharmaceutical drugs were maliciously used on children.

"We believe the malicious use of pharmaceuticals may be an underrecognized form and/or component of child maltreatment," wrote the author, Dr. Shan Yin, a pediatrician."

(snipped)

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/07/22/drugged.children.parenting/index.html?hpt=T2

 

[azwriter]

Very thankful and relieved to say that my daughter does not appear to have serious injuries. I thank all of you for your prayers. This site helped me through the painful waiting for answers.

Good to hear. You take care of yourself now too.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I wasn't quite sure where to put this; it has been discussed that Haleigh and Junior may have been drugged the evening of Haleigh's disappearance.

Drugging Kids for Parents' Relief Called Abusive
By Madison Park, CNN
July 22, 2010 1:10AM EDT

(CNN)-- If the kids become too much to handle, slip 'em a little cold medicine. It's an often repeated joke -- or advice -- that parents share on the playground or on Twitter and Facebook pages.

One mom, Jill Smokler, said she doesn't vilify parents who medicate their kids: "It's not the end of the world."

Yes, to help with colic, (sp) and other stuff the over the counter stuff was advised, but ot help the parents cope, nope.
"It's certainly better than being pushed to edge, spanking a child or slamming doors or really losing it," she said.

But drugging children with over-the-counter or prescription medications can have unintended consequences, said the author of a research published Thursday, who likened the practice to child abuse.

The research, published in the Journal of Pediatrics, found an average 160 annual cases in which pharmaceutical drugs were maliciously used on children.

"We believe the malicious use of pharmaceuticals may be an underrecognized form and/or component of child maltreatment," wrote the author, Dr. Shan Yin, a pediatrician."

(snipped)

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/07/22/drugged.children.parenting/index.html?hpt=T2

I find drugging a child with any medicine a crime to make them go to sleep "for the parents sake" not to beat them or yell at them or any other selfish need. Thanks for the article.

 

[Whisperer]

ftopic:

fourteen hours late in reading about LT and his family. I am glad the family is doing better. I will say a prayer for you anyway. God bless.

 

[Whisperer]

I almost forgot about Orlando...they haven't found a reason to lock him up? So amber, nay and orlando are still free. Orlando and amber can give lots of inisght into rc and his behavior. FBI should have a good profile on them by now. Good profiles mean better chances of finding child.

He sure did shadow misty and rc. I thought he was their bodyguard...then "Poof"....gone.

 

[SoSueMe]

Sue, (can I call you that?) good point about Ron's image being played up as a good and loving father. It makes me wonder just how many inches away was Ron from being in hot water with the school district about Haleigh's attendance record. She had a lot of absences and was tardy a number of times too. Was he truly having difficulty getting her to school? And why?
Getting your child to school on time just seems like a natural thing to me.

Also, how many parents are actually familiar with the regulations on spanking a child. And, why would Ron be able to repeat those regulations word for word. To me, that means sometime in the past, it would seem the child protective services had made it a requirement for Ron to know the laws.

It's very obvious TN, GgmSykes and even Misty herself have sung the praises of Ron's glowing parenting skills. I'm sure Ron loved his daughter but with that in mind, no where in the past year and a half has Ron appeared to act like a typical father who has lost his child. Except of course his falling down crying episode very early after Haleigh disappeared. Let's not forget that.
This is of course all my opinion.

Whisperer is the one who pointed out the campaign to make RC into the perfect father, so I can't take credit for it. I was just reaffirming that it had been in motion from very early in the case.

I do find it strange that DCF was looming over RC for whatever reason, as well as the school about Haleigh's absences. Add in an angry, distraught Ronald searching for his girlfriend, dumping her clothes on someone's lawn and staying up all night looking for her. I have to wonder what his state of mind was at the time and just how far he would go to solve a lot of his problems.

 

[suspicious1]

I almost forgot about Orlando...they haven't found a reason to lock him up? So amber, nay and orlando are still free. Orlando and amber can give lots of inisght into rc and his behavior. FBI should have a good profile on them by now. Good profiles mean better chances of finding child.

He sure did shadow misty and rc. I thought he was their bodyguard...then "Poof"....gone.

Whisp, I have never forgotten about Orlando. Orlando was Ron's best friend and like you said, I believe Orlando can provide a lot of insight into Ron and his behavior. I know that it was said that they supposedly got into a fight over money and then Orlando left the scene. I just really have a hard time believing this. When a child goes missing, who's really concerned about anything other than finding this child? Even if it was about money, that would seem irrevelant in such a crisis. But whatever the argument was about, Orlando felt the need to get "out the way". I have been questioning this from the beginning, it just seems odd. IMO, Orlando knew Ron best and he probably found out something or put two and two together and knew that his "bestfriend" was "up to no good". JMO of course.

 

[suspicious1]

Good post there, suspicious1. I say you and I go find Orlando and let's take Whisperer and SoSueMe with us.

Thanks Az. We definitely need to find Orlando. I say we all go and hunt him down. I'm about 12-14 hours away from Florida....you bring the snacks and I'll bring the No-Doz. LOL

Oh, and we'll need beer for Whisperer. LOL

 

[suspicious1]

BBM

Yes, this is the way Ron operates, he divides and conquers and unfortunately I believe RC not only separated Jo and himself from that MH on that particular day but HaLeigh as well.

Good point about the AC guy. And how LE cleared 44 sex offenders so quickly is also baffling me.

After listening to the video Concerned Papa posted, where Misty reveals how she tried to escape from Ron time after time but was lured back by his relatives using HaLeigh as bait, I would like to ask her why she agreed to marry him if she honestly felt that way about him and in truth didn't want him.

BBM

IMO, the marriage was forced upon Misty. The fact that Misty tried to leave him time and time again, IMO, Misty was not into Ron like some think she was. We have to realize that Misty was a wild child with no history of stability. I just don't think Misty wanted to "settle down" with Ron and his children. Misty is a follower and not a leader, so IMO, she "went along" with the wedding, just like she "went along" with everything else.

JMO of course

 

[Chablis]

I believe Misty would implicate Ron if she knew for certain he played a role in his daughter's disappearance. Misty said Ron never answered her question and explained why he didn't answer her phone calls before he suddenly showed up at the door. Was Ron lurking outside watching her freak out after she woke up and found the door open and HaLeigh gone? Possibly. The timing of his appearance is impeccable. If Ron was asked while under oath why he never answered Misty's calls, this case might be further ahead than it is today. Another good question to ask Ron on a LDT or under oath is: Do you want your daughter to come home? AFAIK, Ron had a key to the backdoor so he could have opened it and placed the brick there to make it appear like his daughter was abducted.

IMO, Misty KNOWS Ronald had something to do with Haleigh being missing because she witnessed it first hand. Shes in love with him, I mean how many women do you know 2 months after a divorce go and get their ex husbands name on their lower back in big permanent letters?

 

[dodie20]

BBM

IMO, the marriage was forced upon Misty. The fact that Misty tried to leave him time and time again, IMO, Misty was not into Ron like some think she was. We have to realize that Misty was a wild child with no history of stability. I just don't think Misty wanted to "settle down" with Ron and his children. Misty is a follower and not a leader, so IMO, she "went along" with the wedding, just like she "went along" with everything else.

JMO of course

I agree with you. I've always thought that Ron was way more into Misty than her into him. He was old enough to know what he wanted, but she was a young teenager, & like a lot of teen girls, flitted from guy to guy. That doesn't mean she didn't love him, because I think she did, (in a very immature way), but she was still sowing her wild oats. & then all this happened. I bet her wild nature drove Ron crazy. He was saddled with 2 kids, had to work, had CPS & the school, breathing down his neck, not to mention TN & GGS running interference...also, it seemed that Ron, wasn't
so crazy about Misty's extended family, (& I bet that caused a lot of problems for her)...although, they all did seem to spend a lot of time together. I bet Ron spent a lot of his time, trying to keep Misty under control, & I bet her sisters in laws & friends, spent just as much time, trying to convince her to take off.

 

[dodie20]

Whisperer is the one who pointed out the campaign to make RC into the perfect father, so I can't take credit for it. I was just reaffirming that it had been in motion from very early in the case.

I do find it strange that DCF was looming over RC for whatever reason, as well as the school about Haleigh's absences. Add in an angry, distraught Ronald searching for his girlfriend, dumping her clothes on someone's lawn and staying up all night looking for her. I have to wonder what his state of mind was at the time and just how far he would go to solve a lot of his problems.

This is my number 1 Ron theory. I don't think his trouble with the school, & then Haleigh coming up missing, are necessarily coincidental. It was too much like, 'Problem solved'. & since Crystal was the one to point out that trouble, I'm even more suspicious. If she thought it was significant enough to point out, then it must have been significant, indeed. Ron was most definantly, feeling the pressure. & I would guess, by association, so was Misty.

 

[1Chump]

I know this is O/T, sorry mod's plz move as needed. I just would really like to know why Haleigh's Case never had a Grand Jury Hearing? Why? Everyone has lied, why would the SA not move forward with Haleigh's case? I just don't understand.

The saying that "you can indict a ham sandwich" came about because Grand Jury indictments are too easy. A Grand Jury Indictment only means they have probable cause. However, that "probable cause" is different than probable cause in a criminal court. Only the SA puts witnesses/evidence in front of the Grand Jury. They can and do bring in testimony/evidence that would NEVER be allowed in a criminal court. A Grand Jury Indictment in a case that is not winable in criminal court will result in double jeopardy.

In the Horman case, IMO, the Grand Jury is the MFH. They would have an extremely hard time getting a conviction for the MFH and they know it. But it gets them before the Grand Jury to get people under oath to testify without benefit of an attorney to "protect" them. Once they are on the stand, they can ask anything. They do not care about the MFH. IMO, if it was not for Kyron, nothing would have come of it. IMO, the only reason they "care" now is Kyron. It gives them an opportunity to get in front of a Grand Jury to question "witnesses" under oath without an attorney.

IMO, in both case, Haleigh and Kyron, they probably do have enough to get a Grand Jury Indictment but not a criminal conviction. If they were to get an indictment and not get a conviction, double jeopardy attaches and justice for Haleigh and Kyron would be gone forever.

 

[Mysterylover]

I am just of the opinion that after all this time, there can't be more than maybe two people who know what happened to Haleigh that night. I'll be surprised if anyone (friends outside of the two families) come forward at this point. And if we never find out what happened, then I'll assume I was right (in my own little mind).

As for Ron's friends,
I've only seen the one at the beginning of the case and he split shortly after the story broke.
I really don't think this case has to do with child trafficking or whatever Klaas was alluding to on NG. JMO...

SoSueMe, I remember reading about the one friend, WHY did the friend 'split'?
Let's hope LE questioned this friend throughly and gave him a lie detector test, before he split.

 

[suspicious1]

I agree with you. I've always thought that Ron was way more into Misty than her into him. He was old enough to know what he wanted, but she was a young teenager, & like a lot of teen girls, flitted from guy to guy. That doesn't mean she didn't love him, because I think she did, (in a very immature way), but she was still sowing her wild oats. & then all this happened. I bet her wild nature drove Ron crazy. He was saddled with 2 kids, had to work, had CPS & the school, breathing down his neck, not to mention TN & GGS running interference...also, it seemed that Ron, wasn't
so crazy about Misty's extended family, (& I bet that caused a lot of problems for her)...although, they all did seem to spend a lot of time together. I bet Ron spent a lot of his time, trying to keep Misty under control, & I bet her sisters in laws & friends, spent just as much time, trying to convince her to take off.

Absolutely, Dodie. I totally agree. I too believe Misty loved Ron in an immature way....I think she fell in love with the "benefits" of that relationship and not Ron himself. Does that make sense? I think it was all about drugs, sex, and money with Misty. Whoever could provide it for her at that time, she would cling to. We have to remember that Misty was young, no job, no stable home and really no parents. There were things that she needed (drugs, clothes, cigarette money, etc.) and IMO the only way she knew how to get it was to use what she had....her body. Misty was loose, we know this, and like you said I bet that drove Ron crazy. I think that Ron couldn't really control Misty like he wanted to, therefore, he and his family used the next best thing....the kids. Ron, alone, couldn't do it but when you threw the kids in the mix, well, Misty fell for it...hook, line and sinker. The Cummings used those kids to get Misty back for a reason. The only reason I can see them using Haleigh as leverage, is because they knew how Misty felt about those kids.
So when Misty talks about how much she loved those kids...I really do believe her. Had she not had some type of love for them, they wouldn't have had an impact on her decision to stay or leave Ron.

JMO of course.

 

[Crosby87]

Yep, we do know that LDT aren't admissible in court, however Misty's consistent showing of deception has been featured on many news networks and it will be a very difficult task for her attorney to explain that away. The drug charges and Haleigh's case should be separate issues but IMO, Mr. Fields has addressed them together whenever he speaks about his client. I agree, he should have made the distinction between the two very clear. Why he did not, I don't know. The fact remains that Misty did sell drugs. The video speaks for itself. She is very young to be facing that many years in jail for drugs. I hope her attorney helps her to understand that she needs to tell all she knows, now and right now. I'm sure that the SA understands that any and all pressure needs to be applied to get any information they can to solve Haleigh's disappearance.If she doesn't talk before Ron testifies against her, and with her parents in jail along with she and her brother, then I will be very surprised.

Hello LT, I hope your daughter is recovering well from her injuries.

Since LDT results aren't admissible in Court, the prosecution can't use them so, Mr. Fields shouldn't be concerned about what the media thinks, it's irrelevant. The media is not a Court of Law.

Yes Misty is caught on tape selling drugs to an UC cop, but that is a one-sided attempt by LE to make everyone believe Misty is guilty in the court of public opinion and sway her from having her say in Court. To serve and protect the rights of others, we have the Justice System which allows those charged with a crime the opportunity to speak up in their own defense. Then it is up to an impartial Judge or Jury to reach a verdict.

Therefore, Mr. Field's has a duty to go to Court prepared to speak on behalf of his client and present facts which defend her version of the truth. If Mr. Field’s withholds this opportunity from Misty, he is guilty of obstructing Justice. According to Misty, she was manipulated into purchasing drugs for LE and therefore she has to explain HOW LE set her up in order to save herself from being convicted of a crime LE instigated to frame her. AFAIK, LE have no evidence to prove she was selling drugs to anyone else and IMO, she has a very strong chance of winning this case IF her lawyer would willingly collaborate with her. If he decided to help Misty rather then silence her, it would bolster Misty’s chances of being charged as a youth offender. Mr. Field’s has the power to either make or break her and unfortunately it appears Mr. Field's is content to obstruct justice and confine his client to a life behind bars.

Being that the drug charges and HaLeigh's case are separate issues, the only thing Misty has to tell right now is how LE manipulated her into selling illegal drugs, which she has, but unfortunately Mr. Field's has decided to frame her too. JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

Hello LT, I hope your daughter is recovering well from her injuries.

Since LDT results aren't admissible in Court, the prosecution can't use them so, Mr. Fields shouldn't be concerned about what the media thinks, it's irrelevant. The media is not a Court of Law.

Yes Misty is caught on tape selling drugs to an UC cop, but that is a one-sided attempt by LE to make everyone believe Misty is guilty in the court of public opinion and sway her from having her say in Court. To serve and protect the rights of others, we have the Justice System which allows those charged with a crime the opportunity to speak up in their own defense. Then it is up to an impartial Judge or Jury to reach a verdict.

Therefore, Mr. Field's has a duty to go to Court prepared to speak on behalf of his client and present facts which defend her version of the truth. If Mr. Field’s withholds this opportunity from Misty, he is guilty of obstructing Justice. According to Misty, she was manipulated into purchasing drugs for LE and therefore she has to explain HOW LE set her up in order to save herself from being convicted of a crime LE instigated to frame her. AFAIK, LE have no evidence to prove she was selling drugs to anyone else and IMO, she has a very strong chance of winning this case IF her lawyer would willingly collaborate with her. If he decided to help Misty rather then silence her, it would bolster Misty’s chances of being charged as a youth offender. Mr. Field’s has the power to either make or break her and unfortunately it appears Mr. Field's is content to obstruct justice and confine his client to a life behind bars.

Being that the drug charges and HaLeigh's case are separate issues, the only thing Misty has to tell right now is how LE manipulated her into selling illegal drugs, which she has, but unfortunately Mr. Field's has decided to frame her too. JMO

Thank you Bluesky #1 for thoroughly explaining what Misty's attorney should be doing instead of what he appears to "not be doing", but I already understand this, really. I know that her attorney can't use the LDT, unless his client wants to, and I can't imagine this in Misty's case. I also understand that she has been charged with drug dealing, and not Haleigh's murder. Maybe you should help Mr. Field understand his obligations to his client; he appears to need a bit of advice. I'm well aware that the media is not a court of law, however, the potential jurors in the jury pool most likely own a TV and have heard of the Haleigh case. It will be extremely difficult to find a juror who is not at least familiar with the case. Believe me, the jurors will very likely remember some of the media blitz on the Haleigh case, including the LDTs taken by Misty. You can't unring the bell. I'm sure that jurors weighing in on drug cases have heard the defense of "LE manipulated me into selling/buying drugs...........they set me up, it's entrapment, I tell you!!!!! LOL. BTW Bluesky #1, I know a little, bit about the law and the court system...........

 

[debs]

Thank you Bluesky #1 for thoroughly explaining what Misty's attorney should be doing instead of what he appears to "not be doing", but I already understand this, really. I know that her attorney can't use the LDT, unless his client wants to, and I can't imagine this in Misty's case. I also understand that she has been charged with drug dealing, and not Haleigh's murder. Maybe you should help Mr. Field understand his obligations to his client; he appears to need a bit of advice. I'm well aware that the media is not a court of law, however, the potential jurors in the jury pool most likely own a TV and have heard of the Haleigh case. It will be extremely difficult to find a juror who is not at least familiar with the case. Believe me, the jurors will very likely remember some of the media blitz on the Haleigh case, including the LDTs taken by Misty. You can't unring the bell. I'm sure that jurors weighing in on drug cases have heard the defense of "LE manipulated me into selling/buying drugs...........they set me up, it's entrapment, I tell you!!!!! LOL. BTW Bluesky #1, I know a little, bit about the law and the court system...........

I wonder if that holds true for Misty's videotaped LDT and hypnosis tests, since they were privately administered and publicly distributed.

 

[lonetraveler]

I wonder if that holds true for Misty's videotaped LDT and hypnosis tests, since they were privately administered and publicly distributed.

I'm wondering if Ron's attorney will get the UC videos thrown out since there is a "deal" being negotiated. If so, will only the videos of Misty alone with the UC be shown in her trial? :waitasec: If she pleads guilty, will the videos be considered for sentencing? Will any of the videos be shown if they both plead?