General theory thread and motives rehashed #2

[dodie20]

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Going on memory here, if I am wrong please feel free to correct me and direct me to a link for verification since I don't have links at this time...TIA :blowkiss:

When the news was released that Jr. heard the bouncing couch the first thought that came to mind was that Misty was sleeping with someone other than Ronald, maybe for drugs? Maybe Haleigh saw them first? Or maybe she was rapped, but I would believe the theory of her having sex with someone other than Ronald at her own free will for drugs, money, or even pleasure. But who knows, anything is possible in this case.
Out of all the players in this case the only one I would believe is what ever Jr. may of seen or heard and IMO LE has that information from early on and as Jr. gets older he will remember more. If I am not mistaken he is in counseling and maybe they are working with him trying to remember more of what he thought he heard/saw the night Haleigh went missing. It was said that GGMS took him to a special counselor/ that same day Feb 10th for 2-3 interviews and that was the first time he told his story about the man in black, then Connie, Crystal, and Marie. The Cummings side & Ronald said that CS was lying, that she put that story into Jr.'s head and I also found that to be disturbing, you would think that Ronald would want to know more or investigate this so called man/people in black but instead he had his attorney put out a statement claiming that CS was lying.





I had posted these articles in my other group on Feb. 24, 2009 & March 28, 2009 but the links no longer work sorry.

Thank you for these. I don't see any reason whatsoever, for Crystal or anyone else, to have fed those stories to Jr. Now, at the time, Crystal was still widely seen as suspicous & with motive, so maybe that's where the Cummings were going with their accusations. maybe they were trying to insinuate that Crystal was planting stories in order to take suspicion off of herself. IDK, but since Crystal has been cleared & isn't sitting in jail, LE needs to give Jr's account 100% credibility. IMO, he was an eye witness. Also, I don't think it was ever stated if Jr. identified who was on the bouncy couch. Haleigh? Misty? Man in black? Someone else? Nobody? Could it have been bouncing for some other reason? maybe the floor was shaking & made the couch bounce? Also, was it ever stated if the couch bounced before or after Haleigh was taken? The reason I think there's a possibility that noone was on the couch, (although it's a very slim possibility), is because I used to live in a trailer, & was once awakened from a deep sleep, because the whole house was rocking. I called my husband home from work, to investigate, & he discovered that a neighbor's cows had gotten loose, & were 'attacking' my house. I had thought someone was trying to break in. So, it would help if we knew exactly what Jr. meant by 'bouncing'. I would guess that he associated the movement with a bouncing ball, but that still doesn't tell us who, if anyone was on that couch.

 

[lorann]

I wasn't sure when this first came out nor am I sure now about Jr saying those things. It appeared during that interview as if Crystal was prompting him to repeat what he had told her - not that she was putting the idea in his head, he just wasn't very talkative with the reporter there. I think he said those things, just not sure they have any merit. A boy that young can only interpret happenings in his way - maybe cartoons always have the bad guys in black. Maybe something disturbed his sleep but he wasn't too scared if he went back to sleep (if he did). We know he wasn't heard on the 911 call and some of us believe he wasn't even there, maybe with GGM?

LE knows, I hope, a lot more than we do, so many stories, arrests, but it seems that there will be no justice for Haleigh. There may be justice for the drug activity unless it too is dealt away. I try to stay optimisitic, but it gets harder each day. So when I read posts here where someone has the utmost faith that this will be solved, I try. I try.

 

[dodie20]

I wasn't sure when this first came out nor am I sure now about Jr saying those things. It appeared during that interview as if Crystal was prompting him to repeat what he had told her - not that she was putting the idea in his head, he just wasn't very talkative with the reporter there. I think he said those things, just not sure they have any merit. A boy that young can only interpret happenings in his way - maybe cartoons always have the bad guys in black. Maybe something disturbed his sleep but he wasn't too scared if he went back to sleep (if he did). We know he wasn't heard on the 911 call and some of us believe he wasn't even there, maybe with GGM?

LE knows, I hope, a lot more than we do, so many stories, arrests, but it seems that there will be no justice for Haleigh. There may be justice for the drug activity unless it too is dealt away. I try to stay optimisitic, but it gets harder each day. So when I read posts here where someone has the utmost faith that this will be solved, I try. I try.

I hear ya.

 

[Whisperer]

Last night I was trying to list all the lies misty told but to tell you the truth, ron cummings holds all the dishonors for lies told in this saga. Almost every single fact we have, he contests. He speaks with fork tongue. He told miller the bed was made and no laundry was done. he said misty never slept in the bed.

I could go on and on to ad nauseum but I am sick of him. His mental problems are becoming more obvious as time goes on. He is unstable and not to be trusted to tell what he knows about Haleigh. His preoccupation with himself and his persona is always uppermost in his mind. He will stop at nothing for revenge. tn and AS are always there to buffer him and let the public know how much he grieves and always speaks of Haleigh. I say BS on that one. The times he speaks of Haleigh is when his azz is on the line and he wants diversion. He is mentally ill in my opinion....but very clever.

Since I am not able to even place myself in their lifestyle, it has been difficult. I thought having the advantage on knowing ruthless prisoners who killed and raped would give me an advantage. I am wrong. Nothing can prepare us for the depravity that exists in the way these people think and behave.

I will say that JO appears to look like one with some serious problems. I am only going on his facial presentation and nothing else. I have seen that look before and I don't like it. He has issues and may be on meds...pure speculation.

With the drugs and guns playing such a huge role in their life, it is difficult to pinpoint any particular one as the perp. I will be a little surprised though if it turns out to be tommy. I see him more as a follower. tom and misty are hiding something. Sex is also an issue with all of them and I am betting there are no boundaries. Violence runs wild down there. The males seem to want to be play the bully and intimidate to get their way. They think their macho and I have no doubt they hit their wives, gfs and children. The females respond when pushed to calling LE and getting a RSO on them which they will eventually drop. They then go to the protect their man...stand by them must be their motto. Family pets...please don't let them have any, I have no hope for any family pets in any of this group. It would not be good. They show no respect for human or animal life.....none of them.

It is a twisted and distorted life they lead and I think we should be prepared for the worst regarding what happened....God bless Haleigh.

 

[dodie20]

GGM Sykes stated in an interview that she was mad at Ronald for taking Misty back into his household after she left him without a babysitter, but it was Ronald who beat Misty up when she told him that she might be pregnant and he is the one who kicked her out so my question to GGM Sykes would be who left who without a babysitter? Seems to me Ronald is the one who sent his babysitter packing and not the other way around. You bebt I feel LE ought to be looking at the Cummings quite heavily. And to GGM Sykes, I do not condone any man for beating on a woman; especially when she is still under age and if he can beat on Misty he can certainly beat on one of his kids.

yeah, this has always troubled me. While the media played up Misty's wild weekend, & had no problem judging her for it, they stayed a mile away from WHY she was gone. The girl didn't just get a wild hair, to cheat & drug it up. & Ron knew he was to blame..., & that's why, IMO, he wanted her back. But with that said, I sort of understand where GGS was coming from. Ron was her grandchild, she loved him, (not Misty), & with Ron, is where her loyalties lay. & I'm sure that she knew Ron was at fault, but understood that he & Misty just needed to break up & stay away from each other-for both or their's & the kid's own good. What I really find strange, is that TN was so quick to disregard Ron's beating, Misty's cheating, & wanted Misty back in the house, babysitting. What the heck??? Why would she want that volatile couple around her grandkids? especially, so soon after all that had gone down. I wouldn't expect her to love & favor Misty over Ron, but I would expect her to worry about her getting her teenaged *** whooped, & would expect her to worry about her grandkids seeing it and/or getting caught in the crossfire. At least with GGS's misguided logic, Misty would've been out of the house, & all of that could've been avoided. MOO. Personally, & especially in hindsight, I think they all should've listened to GGS on this one.

 

[dodie20]

yeah, this has always troubled me. While the media played ip Misty's wild weekend, & had no problem judging her for it, they stayed a mile away from WHY she was gone. The girl didn't just get a wild hair, to cheat & drug it up. & Ron knew he was to blame..., & that's why, IMO, he wanted her back. But with that said, I sort of understand where GGS was coming from. Ron was her grandchild, she loved him, (not Misty), & with Ron, is where her loyalties lay. & I'm sure that she knew Ron was at fault, but understood that he & Misty just needed to break up & stay away from each other-for both or their's & the kid's own good. What I really find strange, is that TN was so quick to disregard Ron's beating, Misty's cheating, & wanted Misty back in the house, babysitting. What the heck??? Why would she want that volatile couple around her grandkids? especially, so soon after all that had gone down. I wouldn't expect her to love & favor Misty over Ron, but I would expect her to worry about her getting her teenaged *** whooped, & would expect her to worry about her grandkids seeing it and/or getting caught in the crossfire. At least with GGS's misguided logic, Misty would've been out of the house, & all of that could've been avoided. MOO. Personally, & especially in hindsight, I think they all should've listened to GGS on this one.

& I referred to Misty's weekend as cheating, because that's how I think they interpreted it. I, personally, don't consider it cheating, & think the girl was in a position to do as she pleased. IMO, Ron beating her & then kicking her out, was a break-up.

 

[Whisperer]

Weren't many taken back and gasping at ron being so understanding of misty sleeping with WBG? and then to propose to her soon after while his child has vanished..Yikes!

RC appears to be unbalanced...no sane person does that. His words and behavior are odd, to say the least. I am willing to bet that AS is telling the courts all about it also.

fftopic:

WBG appears in court tomorrow.

 

[lonetraveler]

Weren't many taken back and gasping at ron being so understanding of misty sleeping with WBG? and then to propose to her soon after while his child has vanished..Yikes!

RC appears to be unbalanced...no sane person does that. His words and behavior are odd, to say the least. I am willing to bet that AS is telling the courts all about it also.

fftopic:

WBG appears in court tomorrow.

Hi Whisp.

I've posted before that I do not think that Ron had a problem with pimping Misty out, I still support that thought.

BTW has anyone heard if Teresa had her little talk with John Merchant that she was crowing about after Ron's non-trial happened? That family sure don't mind throwing out the name "John" to the media. During the Cobra tapes with Ron, Ron told Cobra that he could get "John" on the phone if Cobra needed him too. Must be nice to have your very own law man on speed dial......

 

[lonetraveler]

yeah, this has always troubled me. While the media played up Misty's wild weekend, & had no problem judging her for it, they stayed a mile away from WHY she was gone. The girl didn't just get a wild hair, to cheat & drug it up. & Ron knew he was to blame..., & that's why, IMO, he wanted her back. But with that said, I sort of understand where GGS was coming from. Ron was her grandchild, she loved him, (not Misty), & with Ron, is where her loyalties lay. & I'm sure that she knew Ron was at fault, but understood that he & Misty just needed to break up & stay away from each other-for both or their's & the kid's own good. What I really find strange, is that TN was so quick to disregard Ron's beating, Misty's cheating, & wanted Misty back in the house, babysitting. What the heck??? Why would she want that volatile couple around her grandkids? especially, so soon after all that had gone down. I wouldn't expect her to love & favor Misty over Ron, but I would expect her to worry about her getting her teenaged *** whooped, & would expect her to worry about her grandkids seeing it and/or getting caught in the crossfire. At least with GGS's misguided logic, Misty would've been out of the house, & all of that could've been avoided. MOO. Personally, & especially in hindsight, I think they all should've listened to GGS on this one.

The media seems to miss a lot of Ron's misbehavior and criminal misdeeds. There appears to be nothing that Ron can do wrong. Beating Misty up and squeezing her into a ball trying to abort a baby he thought that she carried doesn't even get a mention by the local media............:waitasec:Why? Ron beating the hades out of Tommy and then threatening him with the dead rat so that he wouldn't testify against him.....................ended how? Ron running a man off of the road and threatening him with a gun got Ron into how much trouble? The Cummings wanted a livein babysitter from Misty, period. The Grandmothers did not want to babysit for the children and were pretty pizzed that Misty had the nerve to be thrown out by Ron............Dang that girl, she should have got up off of the ground, wipped herself off and begged and pleaded with Ron to please take her back.....................Not! If she had had any sense at all she would have never set foot into that house again............look where it got her.

 

[lonetraveler]

I wasn't sure when this first came out nor am I sure now about Jr saying those things. It appeared during that interview as if Crystal was prompting him to repeat what he had told her - not that she was putting the idea in his head, he just wasn't very talkative with the reporter there. I think he said those things, just not sure they have any merit. A boy that young can only interpret happenings in his way - maybe cartoons always have the bad guys in black. Maybe something disturbed his sleep but he wasn't too scared if he went back to sleep (if he did). We know he wasn't heard on the 911 call and some of us believe he wasn't even there, maybe with GGM?

LE knows, I hope, a lot more than we do, so many stories, arrests, but it seems that there will be no justice for Haleigh. There may be justice for the drug activity unless it too is dealt away. I try to stay optimisitic, but it gets harder each day. So when I read posts here where someone has the utmost faith that this will be solved, I try. I try.

Well, maybe it's what Jr. isn't saying that is important right now. He isn't saying that Misty grabbed him and hid under the bed covers while the "bad man" took Haleigh. I feel that this event would have stayed in his little mind forever if it actually happened, that is. I really don't think that Jr. was at the MH during whatever happened to Haleigh including Haleigh's disposal. I think that GGMS took Jr. home with her following her "visit" to check on the children that day. IMO, GGMS did not want Jr. to see Haleigh removed from the MH and did not want him to see or overhear what was going on. Too bad that he wasn't drug screened that very morning. As soon as bloggers started discussing drugs and children, Jr.'s head was shaved. Imagine that!

 

[lonetraveler]

Thank you for these. I don't see any reason whatsoever, for Crystal or anyone else, to have fed those stories to Jr. Now, at the time, Crystal was still widely seen as suspicous & with motive, so maybe that's where the Cummings were going with their accusations. maybe they were trying to insinuate that Crystal was planting stories in order to take suspicion off of herself. IDK, but since Crystal has been cleared & isn't sitting in jail, LE needs to give Jr's account 100% credibility. IMO, he was an eye witness. Also, I don't think it was ever stated if Jr. identified who was on the bouncy couch. Haleigh? Misty? Man in black? Someone else? Nobody? Could it have been bouncing for some other reason? maybe the floor was shaking & made the couch bounce? Also, was it ever stated if the couch bounced before or after Haleigh was taken? The reason I think there's a possibility that noone was on the couch, (although it's a very slim possibility), is because I used to live in a trailer, & was once awakened from a deep sleep, because the whole house was rocking. I called my husband home from work, to investigate, & he discovered that a neighbor's cows had gotten loose, & were 'attacking' my house. I had thought someone was trying to break in. So, it would help if we knew exactly what Jr. meant by 'bouncing'. I would guess that he associated the movement with a bouncing ball, but that still doesn't tell us who, if anyone was on that couch.[/QUOTE]

I must have a dirty mind but I associate Jr.'s description of the sound of bouncing on the couch to mean that he heard the same kind of sound that he heard when he and Haleigh would jump up and down on the couch. Probably a "squeaking" sound...............:croc:

 

[lonetraveler]

Weren't many taken back and gasping at ron being so understanding of misty sleeping with WBG? and then to propose to her soon after while his child has vanished..Yikes!

RC appears to be unbalanced...no sane person does that. His words and behavior are odd, to say the least. I am willing to bet that AS is telling the courts all about it also.

fftopic:

WBG appears in court tomorrow.

Well, according to Nay Nay, Ron was insisting that Misty bring a condom with her when she came home to him.............maybe with his sudden importance and all.....................remember......."Do you know who I am?" that he reportedly said to the waitress at Chili's? Maybe he got a big supply of condoms and they lasted until the arrests?????:waitasec: All laughs aside, I agree with you. I just can't picture Ron standing in line, KWIM?

 

[azwriter]

Thank you for these. I don't see any reason whatsoever, for Crystal or anyone else, to have fed those stories to Jr. Now, at the time, Crystal was still widely seen as suspicous & with motive, so maybe that's where the Cummings were going with their accusations. maybe they were trying to insinuate that Crystal was planting stories in order to take suspicion off of herself. IDK, but since Crystal has been cleared & isn't sitting in jail, LE needs to give Jr's account 100% credibility. IMO, he was an eye witness. Also, I don't think it was ever stated if Jr. identified who was on the bouncy couch. Haleigh? Misty? Man in black? Someone else? Nobody? Could it have been bouncing for some other reason? maybe the floor was shaking & made the couch bounce? Also, was it ever stated if the couch bounced before or after Haleigh was taken? The reason I think there's a possibility that noone was on the couch, (although it's a very slim possibility), is because I used to live in a trailer, & was once awakened from a deep sleep, because the whole house was rocking. I called my husband home from work, to investigate, & he discovered that a neighbor's cows had gotten loose, & were 'attacking' my house. I had thought someone was trying to break in. So, it would help if we knew exactly what Jr. meant by 'bouncing'. I would guess that he associated the movement with a bouncing ball, but that still doesn't tell us who, if anyone was on that couch.

Or, if I can add, the couch may have been bouncing because someone was laying there and receiving CPR. You never know. jmo

 

[Whisperer]

LE's behavior points to JO. They want evidence to prove he harmed Haleigh.

This still bugs me because his DNA should have been in the mh, the van, and where he was found sleeping in the am. Chelsea said JO was on her air mattress, right?, well, if she was suspicious, why didn't she give the bedding sheets (if any) to LE, or the whole darn mattress. She said he was in his clothes, so I hope LE has them.

When did LE ask all these people to hand over the clothes they were wearing on Feb 9? How exactly was that done? Was somebody watching JO change? If this wasn't done at Chelseaa's where did JO put the clothes he had on that night? He rode with them after the call but I am not clear on when they picked up Lisa. JO would not go to tommy's and wanted to be dropped off at the gas station/kangaroo, right? So when did LE collect the clothes he was wearing from the previous night?

 

[Snowbunny]

If we believe jr. about the man or men in black and we believe him about the squeaky shoes, then what about the "bouncing couch"? Was Misty raped? If so, then she was there and she was most certainly awake.

If someone was trying to do CPR on Haleigh and had laid her on the couch in order to do so then that might be a reason why the couch was bouncing. I remember it was said that Jr stated that Haleigh never woke up when the man in black took her out of her bed.

 

[krkrjx]

If someone was trying to do CPR on Haleigh and had laid her on the couch in order to do so then that might be a reason why the couch was bouncing. I remember it was said that Jr stated that Haleigh never woke up when the man in black took her out of her bed.

If so, it would have to have been someone who really wanted to help Haleigh even though they did not know much about how to do CPR, IMO. (Anyone experienced in CPR would have placed her on the floor, not the couch.)

 

[dodie20]

LE's behavior points to JO. They want evidence to prove he harmed Haleigh.

This still bugs me because his DNA should have been in the mh, the van, and where he was found sleeping in the am. Chelsea said JO was on her air mattress, right?, well, if she was suspicious, why didn't she give the bedding sheets (if any) to LE, or the whole darn mattress. She said he was in his clothes, so I hope LE has them.

When did LE ask all these people to hand over the clothes they were wearing on Feb 9? How exactly was that done? Was somebody watching JO change? If this wasn't done at Chelseaa's where did JO put the clothes he had on that night? He rode with them after the call but I am not clear on when they picked up Lisa. JO would not go to tommy's and wanted to be dropped off at the gas station/kangaroo, right? So when did LE collect the clothes he was wearing from the previous night?

I would bet that the clothes that Joe was wearing, while hanging fliers, were the same ones he had on from the night before, so I hope LE made a point in asking for those too. He didn't look like he had slept a wink. Druggies are known to stay up for days at a time, because the party never stops. But if he was involved, (& I think he probably was), he might've changed clothes & thrown them out with Haleigh-just like trash. Blows the mind, doesn't it?

 

[dodie20]

Last night I was trying to list all the lies misty told but to tell you the truth, ron cummings holds all the dishonors for lies told in this saga. Almost every single fact we have, he contests. He speaks with fork tongue. He told miller the bed was made and no laundry was done. he said misty never slept in the bed.

I could go on and on to ad nauseum but I am sick of him. His mental problems are becoming more obvious as time goes on. He is unstable and not to be trusted to tell what he knows about Haleigh. His preoccupation with himself and his persona is always uppermost in his mind. He will stop at nothing for revenge. tn and AS are always there to buffer him and let the public know how much he grieves and always speaks of Haleigh. I say BS on that one. The times he speaks of Haleigh is when his azz is on the line and he wants diversion. He is mentally ill in my opinion....but very clever.

Since I am not able to even place myself in their lifestyle, it has been difficult. I thought having the advantage on knowing ruthless prisoners who killed and raped would give me an advantage. I am wrong. Nothing can prepare us for the depravity that exists in the way these people think and behave.

I will say that JO appears to look like one with some serious problems. I am only going on his facial presentation and nothing else. I have seen that look before and I don't like it. He has issues and may be on meds...pure speculation.

With the drugs and guns playing such a huge role in their life, it is difficult to pinpoint any particular one as the perp. I will be a little surprised though if it turns out to be tommy. I see him more as a follower. tom and misty are hiding something. Sex is also an issue with all of them and I am betting there are no boundaries. Violence runs wild down there. The males seem to want to be play the bully and intimidate to get their way. They think their macho and I have no doubt they hit their wives, gfs and children. The females respond when pushed to calling LE and getting a RSO on them which they will eventually drop. They then go to the protect their man...stand by them must be their motto. Family pets...please don't let them have any, I have no hope for any family pets in any of this group. It would not be good. They show no respect for human or animal life.....none of them.

It is a twisted and distorted life they lead and I think we should be prepared for the worst regarding what happened....God bless Haleigh.

I've done the same thing...tried to list Misty's lies, but couldn't really come up with much. Ron's face & words kept interfering with the process. You're right about not really seeing a clear cut front runner, but if I had to guess, (but it could change tomorrow), I'm leaning towards Tommy at about 40% with Joe as his accomplice, Ron at about 30% with Misty as his cover-up, & Misty at about 25% with Tommy, Ron, & crew as her cover-up, & Joe at about 15% with Tommy as his accomplice. So, looking at these numbers, I'm guessing the odds are in favor of the perps being Tommy & Joe. Tommy wouldn't surprise me at all...I'm kind of expecting it, but I can also actually hear the words, 'Misty Janette Croslin Cummings has been arrested for the murder of Haleigh Marie Cummings'. uughhh...

 

[Dion]

These people would do anything for money, and if you look at who they hung around with, you see that drugs, guns and prostitution all play a part of that lifestyle. (poor Haleigh, never stood a chance at a normal life with the parents she had).

I don’t think Misty was in the MH that night, and could have been out doing something either with RC’s knowledge or at his behest (that’s why his attitude towards her is so confusing, and not what you would expect from someone who had left their children in her care).

It was said that Joe flew into a rage when he couldn’t find a gun. Why would he fly into a rage when it wasn’t his gun, and wasn’t his house and he should not have been there in the first place?

I think Ron had some kind of “business” deal going on with JO, involving guns and drugs, and reneged on a promise to repay him. Joe I think is capable of violence, and his family members seem to think he has some mental issues. But if Joe was responsible for Haleigh’s death, I don’t understand why RC wouldn’t have confronted him right away or told LE there was someone who had a grudge against him. He could also have driven up to Tennessee to confront him, he would have had his address because of Misty, but he did none of these things.

The fact that he seemed to defend Joe (ie, saying they didn’t have a fight over a gun etc) indicates to me that he already knows what happened to Haleigh and that he either doesn’t think JO is involved, or knows that he was, and the reasons for it.

Hank believes that Joe is involved (because that is what TC told him). In one of the tapes he said that several of Joe's relatives have killed people and that they are all insane, and that we Croslins' are just stupid, we don't kill people. Hank is aware that these visits are recorded, so probably wanted to let authorities know that (in his opinion) Tommy only got into this mess because of his foolishness, no other reason.

On the same tape he also asks Tommy what the fight was about that they all got into at his (HC) house and Tommy’s response was that “Misty done said it – I can’t say nothing, but Misty done said it”. What’s that about – what did Misty say? And why can't Tommy say anything?

What I don’t understand is that if “Joe did it” why would all the Cummings cover up for him. That is what makes no sense to me (not that anything much makes sense about any of this, but we do our best to wade through all the lies and confusion).

 

[1Chump]

What I got from The article written on First Coast News 2/24/09-updated 2/25/09 GGMS knew about the man in black first, CS didn't find out until two weeks after Haleigh went missing.

1. "He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn't know anything...said he was asleep," Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, told First Coast News on Monday." Monday, 2/23/09

Sykes stating she was there 10 minutes after WE noticed she was gone. According to the Incident Report 1325 by Officer Nelson he responded to the 911 phone call (logged in at 3:27 A.M.) using red light and siren and got there at 3:40 A.M. That's 13 minutes. Sykes got there in 10 and she lives in Waleka. Add to that her age, she was likely asleep in bed, awakened by phone, had to get out of bed, get dressed and walk to her car.

2. Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

So, according to Sykes she talked to Junior about what he saw and he didn't know anything...he was asleep. Yet the very next paragraph says relatives on both sides saw a man in a ski mask.

I have not found where GGma Sykes is listed by LE as being there that night. GGma Sykes would have either been there and/or arrived about the same time as TN. TN is listed but not her.

I also read that statement by GGma Sykes differently.

I read it as "10 minutes after I got there, we notice she was gone."

If she was not there, why would she include herself as noticing Haleigh was gone? It should have been "they" noticed not "we."

IMO, "gone" is dead...not missing.

IMO, Junior was at GGma Sykes, asleep. I would "love" to know what calls GGma Sykes received that day, from whom, and any "pings" on those calls. IMO, LE would then have the location of where Haleigh died