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Something that I have thought about a lot but never commented on is the old saying that you can catch more flies with honey, than salt. I know that LE continuously commented that Misty was the "Key" and they repeatedly tried to get her to tell the truth BUT did LE ever offer her a sweet deal to spill all or did they just use the "Bad cop" routine? Why was Ron the only one with a deal? I have not heard any statements or even rumors stating that Misty was offered anything in return for her testimony, why? If she was the "Key" they should have been buttering her up for a sweet deal. If Ronald knows nothing (that is the reason Ronald gave for not talking to LE for all those months) then why offer him anything? If he is just going to give a tiny bit of information on a timeline (which I believe LE should have had nailed down a long time ago, anyway), why waste a deal on Ronald? Why wasn't a deal offered to Misty that she just couldn't refuse?:waitasec:

Hi LT, this is a great question. My opinion is that the deal they offered RC (the proffer) was a set up for RC. Now he HAS to testify about anything he knows about Haleigh (when a case about Haleigh's disappearance comes up), and he has to testify TRUTHFULLY. I beileve LE has the truth, and already has evidence that RC will be compelled to lie about. If so, and if he does lie (because he doesn't want to implicate himself in Haleigh's disappearance), then all deals are off! If I am right :waitasec: the next step is charging someone with Haleigh's disappearance. Of course, this is just my opinion, and my prayer.
 
Agree with you guys about TN's likely idea about the testimony angle andshe erroneoulsy thought the marriage would coer that.

I also think that the stat rape issue may have been in the mix too bc as I recall, people were getting more and more steamed and were sort of calling for "something" to be done.

IDK

moo
 
Yes, I am hilarious. People always laugh at me. When I think back to the wedding and Ron's attitude, I'm surprised he showed up and didn't just phone his vows in.

I agree, or either have TN stand in and say the vows for him!
 
Anyone who had a dry eye tonight after watching Jane Valez Mitchell's special on missing and murdered children has to have a stone cold heart. I'm known to my family and friends as a strong person, not given to tears and emotion, but tonight I lost that when Jessica Lundsford's father told the horrible story of Jessica's kidnapping and murder. I had to think too about no one being there to tell Haleigh's story. No loving father, no mother or grandmother because Haleigh's body has not been found. This really pizzzzzed me off big time. The grandmother who knows it all, IMO, should be shamed to death and should never be able to show her face to the public, ever again. I truly hope that anyone who knows where Haleigh is never sleeps again and I hope that their conscience, assuming that they have one, shows them no peace, ever for the rest of their lives. I hope they never have another peaceful day or night forever.

AMEN LoneT.....ITA. :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
I don't think Chelsea knew everything about tn and where she was living. She was getting her info from misty and maybe some others who have an interest in tn living in PP. I believe that Rita Lane is very interesting and there is a story there. They all have been listed as living there at one time or another (except tn). As of march, this year, tn has officially (finally) given that as her residence. I don't look for it be long term. TN moves constantly. For some reason that tiny trailer stays within the family. I maintain it is an extra bed or flop for anyone in the family who needs it. It has been around for about 7 years now (at minimum) sitting on somebody else's land. It is not on a legal parcel as there is no 105 listed....

There is no way to prove if she was in PP thatparticular day or Fruitland Park, unless there is a witness. I heard both CC and TN were around the area Feb 9. Rumor has it that CC's kids were with Jeff in Lady Lake...so that is left up to others to prove true or not.

For many years tn has lived with her BF, and not in PP, but Fruitland Park. CC also lives/d out there in Lady Lake area too.

I guess the entire thing is now moot because nobody has come forward with where Crystal C. and Tn were on Feb 7,8,9. Jeff would know, but we will never know the truth.

Chelsea only knows what misty has said. Did Chelsea happen to say where CC was living at the time?

Thanks for weighing in Whisperer. You are the expert on TN who has me so confused my head is spinning. I don’t know the area so Pomona Park, Fruitland Park, Lady Lake, Rita Lane, Walatka, Crescent City is all a blur to me.

Does the trailer the Cummings family own on Rita Lane have running water?

No, Chelsea did not mention where Crystal lived. Crystal married in 2008 IIRC.

What does TN’s BF do for a living? Is TN still unemployed?

Is TN’s boyfriend’s name Jeff? Is there a picture of him? I have never seen TN’s ‘mystery lover’ so I wonder if he even exists or if he is purely a figment of TN’s imagination.

Did TN’s boyfriend attend Crystal’s wedding? AFAIK, TN’s BF did not attend Ron’s wedding or accompany TN on Ron & Misty’s honeymoon. When TN attended the missing children’s conference recently did her BF accompany her? The Cummings family have been under the microscope for almost 2 years now and TN’s boyfriend has never materialized so maybe he simply doesn't want anything to do with TN’s children because they aren't his own flesh and blood. However, the couple appear to be leading separate lives and because the BF seems reclusive and remains hidden from sight, I wonder if he was involved in HaLeigh’s disappearance. IMO there is something sinister in their relationship. AFAIK Jeff has never been involved in Ron or his children lives and when Junior needed a place to stay, he wasn’t welcomed into TN’s home. Chelsea Croslin said Junior stayed with his Aunt Katrina, Hope’s mother, so it sounds like Junior was shuffled between AS and Aunt Trina's place and they were his primary care givers when Junior wasn't with his mother not TN.

I wonder what kind of person Jeff is and if he has any addictions. I only became aware TN had a significant other when she said he funded Misty’s trip which drew negative attention because we later found out that was a lie; a cover-up. Did TN lie because she didn’t want to expose TM’s plan? Was it during this trip DB & MC sold drugs to the UC detective in SJC?

Were TN and her BF renting a trailer in Fruitland Park where you said they lived together for many years? Is that where they were evicted from? Were they evicted for not paying the rent or some other reason? Did they pay the rent and stay put or did they move? Is Fruitland Park near Lady Lake? If Jeff and TN were evicted, do you think TN has been staying at Rita Lane alone or with her BF? Has TN ever been known to stay with her mother? TN & AS are always seen in public together.

What is the connection to PP and where would TN & CC be if they were there Feb 9th? Was Jeff allegedly babysitting Crystal’s children at her place in Lady Lake around the time HaLeigh disappeared?

If TN and her BF lived alone together when HaLeigh disappeared, they can use each other as an alibi. Are there neighbors nearby?

MOO
 
I've been relistening to some of TN's interviews, & her gushing on about Misty, dumbfounds me more now, than ever. WTH??? She was at the top of Ron's gf list, the kids loved her, it was an extreme joy to see them together, it touched her heart, the kids wanted her to be MOMMY. just hearing all of that again is mind boggling, because she was talking about a KID!!! IMO, TN could've showed support without going to this extreme, so why did she? Why not just say that Misty was a kid with issues, but she was no murderer? & for her to rag on Ron's past gf's & point out that he'd only had 1other fiance...lol, why? What in the world did those other girls do that was worse than the 3 day drug & sex binger, & losing Haleigh? Also, TN said that she had talked to multiple investigators, & she was comfortable with her stance. I wonder what in the heck they told her? or was that a lie?
 
All of the following is MOO.

I don't see any reason, if Ron and Misty were involved in what happened to Haleigh, for them to have decided to place Haleigh either in the same bed or right beside the bed Misty was supposedly sleeping in. This is the first and #1 red flag Misty's story is not true. I also don't see any reason for Ron, much less his mother, grandmother, and whoever else would be involved in Ron's cover-up, to frame Misty, the one person who would be in the position to maybe not know exactly every detail of what Ron did, but would know Ron is the one who did it. That would be a big motivation for Misty to stop covering for Ron, to get herself out of trouble.

If they had time to set up the scene, then they had time to make it at least look like Haleigh was sleeping in another room. The story they told LE is 'someone came in and took her', and putting her in a different room would make it seem more likely someone could come in and kidnap her while Misty slept.

The only people who would conclusively know where Haleigh slept would be Ron and Misty. Others might have a general idea, but since they don't live there, if the pattern changed, they might not have been informed, so would not be able to be 100% sure where Haleigh would actually be sleeping. So if Ron AND Misty both had knowledge of what really happened and wanted to cover up to protect his/their involvement, it makes no sense to me at all for them to place Haleigh feet away from Misty when she was taken.

If Misty was involved and Ron was not, Misty could hardly convince Ron Haleigh was suddenly sleeping in another room, so she had to stick with Haleigh was right by the bed, even though that just makes her story so hard to believe.
 
Hi LT, this is a great question. My opinion is that the deal they offered RC (the proffer) was a set up for RC. Now he HAS to testify about anything he knows about Haleigh (when a case about Haleigh's disappearance comes up), and he has to testify TRUTHFULLY. I beileve LE has the truth, and already has evidence that RC will be compelled to lie about. If so, and if he does lie (because he doesn't want to implicate himself in Haleigh's disappearance), then all deals are off! If I am right :waitasec: the next step is charging someone with Haleigh's disappearance. Of course, this is just my opinion, and my prayer.

Nonni, this is my prayer too. IMO, there is no way Ron will be able to tell the absolute truth..He couldn't in the beginning....so why should we expect him to tell the truth in the end? Nope, I just don't see it. MO of course
 
Thanks for weighing in Whisperer. You are the expert on TN who has me so confused my head is spinning. I don’t know the area so Pomona Park, Fruitland Park, Lady Lake, Rita Lane, Walatka, Crescent City is all a blur to me.

Does the trailer the Cummings family own on Rita Lane have running water?

No, Chelsea did not mention where Crystal lived. Crystal married in 2008 IIRC.

What does TN’s BF do for a living? Is TN still unemployed?

Is TN’s boyfriend’s name Jeff? Is there a picture of him? I have never seen TN’s ‘mystery lover’ so I wonder if he even exists or if he is purely a figment of TN’s imagination.

Snipped. I have to piecemeal this..lol.

Let's see..Pomona Park, Welaka, Crescent City and Lake Como are all in the same area. Lots of towns there with no clear distinctions between them. I was wishing they would put up signs for the people that tell them what town their in because they use all the cities interchangebly. Fruitland Park/Lady Lake is about 80 miles west and a little south of the Satsuma, Crescent City area.

Jeff H had/has an Aluminum Construction Business. Yes, there is a PIC of Jeff H. ..nice looking man. He is known as Papa Jeff to the kids. CC lives/d in Lady Lake near her mom and has resided there for a long time, most of the past 10 years...as has TN.

TN and Jeff H were recently evicted from an upscale living residence in Lady Lake this January 2010. Paperwork can be found online in Lake County where you will find all of TN's various run-ins with traffic, DV, lawsuit for car accidents where she was injured, etc. As of very recently, she received another citation in Lake County.

The trailer in Pomona Park (can be listed as Crescent City, Lake Como) is estimated to be worth about $3,000. It sits in a park owned by EK...but has no parcel and thus the 105 addy is not a registered 911 address and no info can be obtained. It is a 12 ft single wide and is about 600 sq ft. I am sure it has all the comforts of running water, electricity, gas and some kind of hook-up for tv but how it gets those is a mystery since it is not on its own parcel, it may share these with somebody else. It has been in the name of a Sykes family member for years. People say it's a rental but my guess is it is a family owned MH sitting on a friends property.

I was unaware CC married in 2008.

Jeff has remained out of the media circus and this case. I do not know where he lives now...could be with TN someplace. She has legally registered her addy as Pomona Park in March of this year. Prior to that she was never listed as officially living there. If you saw a pic (and I think it is on this site), you will see that this is a big step down to how they were living. Check out TN and her eviction thread, you may find the pic of where they lived in Fruitland Park. You could also check the Lake County records as the address was listed and you can google it maybe.


...To be continued..
 
Snipped. I have to piecemeal this..lol.

Let's see..Pomona Park, Welaka, Crescent City and Lake Como are all in the same area. Lots of towns there with no clear distinctions between them. I was wishing they would put up signs for the people that tell them what town their in because they use all the cities interchangebly. Fruitland Park/Lady Lake is about 80 miles west and a little south of the Satsuma, Crescent City area.

Jeff H had/has an Aluminum Construction Business. Yes, there is a PIC of Jeff H. ..nice looking man. He is known as Papa Jeff to the kids. CC lives/d in Lady Lake near her mom and has resided there for a long time, most of the past 10 years...as has TN.

TN and Jeff H were recently evicted from an upscale living residence in Lady Lake this January 2010. Paperwork can be found online in Lake County where you will find all of TN's various run-ins with traffic, DV, lawsuit for car accidents where she was injured, etc. As of very recently, she received another citation in Lake County.

The trailer in Pomona Park (can be listed as Crescent City, Lake Como) is estimated to be worth about $3,000. It sits in a park owned by EK...but has no parcel and thus the 105 addy is not a registered 911 address and no info can be obtained. It is a 12 ft single wide and is about 600 sq ft. I am sure it has all the comforts of running water, electricity, gas and some kind of hook-up for tv but how it gets those is a mystery since it is not on its own parcel, it may share these with somebody else. It has been in the name of a Sykes family member for years. People say it's a rental but my guess is it is a family owned MH sitting on a friends property.

I was unaware CC married in 2008.

Jeff has remained out of the media circus and this case. I do not know where he lives now...could be with TN someplace. She has legally registered her addy as Pomona Park in March of this year. Prior to that she was never listed as officially living there. If you saw a pic (and I think it is on this site), you will see that this is a big step down to how they were living. Check out TN and her eviction thread, you may find the pic of where they lived in Fruitland Park. You could also check the Lake County records as the address was listed and you can google it maybe.


...To be continued..

Thank you Whisperer,

Is Jeff’s last name off limits? I’ll search the leads you provided.

In this post you said Jeff H’s court notices were undeliverable up in Lake. Any idea what his charges were?

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Is Ronald's sister Crystal C. living at 202 Green Lane?

TN and Mr. Neves divorced in 2005 and Mr. Neves remarried after his divorce to TN was final. TN did not contest the divorce.

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Teresa was married to Mr. Neves and they lived at the Shoreline home. Teresa held/holds a Real Estate License and a few other certificates from Trade/Tech. schools. They divorced in 2005, IIRC, and he remarried. She has not. Who knows what happened to the house after the divorce. Maybe she sold and made a tidy profit? Then when she moved, RC moved and Amber was around.

When she and Mr. Neves divorced, they had no children together and they owned no real property, so that must have been a rental. moo He petitioned for divorce, and she did not contest it, iirc. The divorce was finalized one month later.

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Yes, Crystal married in December. In the article &#8220;New Pictures and Stories About Little Haleigh&#8217; it states Crystal married in December and although they didn&#8217;t specifically state in which year, I&#8217;m assuming it was 2008, shortly before HaLeigh vanished.

I don't know if CC is employed and I didn't find out anything more about her marriage; only that HaLeigh and her daughter were flower girls. She doesn&#8217;t have a myspace account AFAIK.

In the domestic/paternity suit Crystal filed, the respondent was Jermonick B. Luther but I don't know if that is who she married.

According to searches, JBL is 29 and lives in Coleman, FL. He apparently is black and Crystal&#8217;s baby&#8217;s daddy. Not sure how many children CC,has but her daughter was in the wedding party with HaLeigh and it was reported that Ron&#8217;s nephew is black so AFAWK, she has one son and 1 daughter.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Crystal S., Ron's sister: Criminal Records
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Friday, Haleigh's family brought out more photographs of the little girl for the media. And every photograph tells a story.

Like the one of Haleigh as a flower girl in her aunt's wedding in December.
The strawberry blond child in a royal blue dress is bent over, picking up the flower petals.

Haleigh's aunt, Crystal Cummings said, "As my daughter and Haleigh were dropping the flowers, Haleigh would pick the petals up! She thought she needed to pick them up. My daughter said 'No. You have to drop them.' It was really cute."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131857&provider=top
 
IMO, Ron knew Haleigh was dead, & he was getting a memorial tattoo. So, when I consider the emotions he was going through, I can understand his venom towards the reporters. BUT...Ron was still wanting the public to think he was uninvolved, & had faith Haleigh was coming home. I'm not young, but I can understand the significance behind that tattoo. I would imagine it was a huge deal to Ron, & a private day he didn't want to share with reporters. To go from mourning Haleigh's death, (& I think him getting that tattoo was an acceptance), to answering questions about leads & searches, would be next to impossible. But why did he share that day with Misty? If nothing else, that tattoo proved in my mind, anyway, that Ron knew Haleigh was dead. I've known people who've gotten similar tattoos, & the portrait, where time is stopped in its tracks, was a giveaway to me. I would have expected something else if Ron thought Haleigh was alive...maybe an inspirational passage about coming home, or some kind of tribal symbol for hope, underlined with her name. People do get portraits for other reasons, but they mark good times they want to remember, not a kidnapping.

dodie, yes, I can see where Ron was getting a memorial tat for his daughter as you cited. But he also got one of his son, Junior and already had one of his mother's name across his chest. Those are not memorial tats.

Regardless of the reason why he got the Haleigh tat, overall, he still at that time was trying to portray himself as an innocent father who didn't know what happened to his daughter. So, I find his reaction toward the media strange. To me his reaction was more out of frustration and anger not that he wanted a peacful trip to the tattoo parlor in honor of his missing daughter.

Even if Ron did know his daughter was dead, he still needed to keep up the act of a father of a missing child. Shooing away the media, to me doesn't show he knows his daughter is dead, it means he is running out of excuses for his behavior and mad that he still has to play a role. If anything, Ron wanted the fuss about his daughter over with so he could go on with his "normal" secretive life. JMO of course
 
All of the following is MOO.

I don't see any reason, if Ron and Misty were involved in what happened to Haleigh, for them to have decided to place Haleigh either in the same bed or right beside the bed Misty was supposedly sleeping in. This is the first and #1 red flag Misty's story is not true. I also don't see any reason for Ron, much less his mother, grandmother, and whoever else would be involved in Ron's cover-up, to frame Misty, the one person who would be in the position to maybe not know exactly every detail of what Ron did, but would know Ron is the one who did it. That would be a big motivation for Misty to stop covering for Ron, to get herself out of trouble.

If they had time to set up the scene, then they had time to make it at least look like Haleigh was sleeping in another room. The story they told LE is 'someone came in and took her', and putting her in a different room would make it seem more likely someone could come in and kidnap her while Misty slept.

The only people who would conclusively know where Haleigh slept would be Ron and Misty. Others might have a general idea, but since they don't live there, if the pattern changed, they might not have been informed, so would not be able to be 100% sure where Haleigh would actually be sleeping. So if Ron AND Misty both had knowledge of what really happened and wanted to cover up to protect his/their involvement, it makes no sense to me at all for them to place Haleigh feet away from Misty when she was taken.

If Misty was involved and Ron was not, Misty could hardly convince Ron Haleigh was suddenly sleeping in another room, so she had to stick with Haleigh was right by the bed, even though that just makes her story so hard to believe.

One more person knew that Haleigh did not sleep in her bed....Junior.

Junior was the big risk. The story had to stay as close to normal as possible because of Junior. If Junior admits to LE that normally both Haleigh and him slept with Misty, LE is going to get suspicious.

Why that night did the routine change? Why did they lie about the routine change?

Also, when you are lying, you stick to the truth as much as possible. Misty described her day. Misty talked about a "normal" day. If you notice, Misty never gave any details. Misty said things like I did housework but never specified anything that could be verified. They stuck with the truth when possible so they had less lies to remember.

Same thing with where Haleigh slept. Too big of a risk of anyone letting it slip that she normally slept in Misty's room but the night she disappeared was abnormal.
 
Snipped. I have to piecemeal this..lol.

Let's see..Pomona Park, Welaka, Crescent City and Lake Como are all in the same area. Lots of towns there with no clear distinctions between them. I was wishing they would put up signs for the people that tell them what town their in because they use all the cities interchangebly. Fruitland Park/Lady Lake is about 80 miles west and a little south of the Satsuma, Crescent City area.

Jeff H had/has an Aluminum Construction Business. Yes, there is a PIC of Jeff H. ..nice looking man. He is known as Papa Jeff to the kids. CC lives/d in Lady Lake near her mom and has resided there for a long time, most of the past 10 years...as has TN.

TN and Jeff H were recently evicted from an upscale living residence in Lady Lake this January 2010. Paperwork can be found online in Lake County where you will find all of TN's various run-ins with traffic, DV, lawsuit for car accidents where she was injured, etc. As of very recently, she received another citation in Lake County.

The trailer in Pomona Park (can be listed as Crescent City, Lake Como) is estimated to be worth about $3,000. It sits in a park owned by EK...but has no parcel and thus the 105 addy is not a registered 911 address and no info can be obtained. It is a 12 ft single wide and is about 600 sq ft. I am sure it has all the comforts of running water, electricity, gas and some kind of hook-up for tv but how it gets those is a mystery since it is not on its own parcel, it may share these with somebody else. It has been in the name of a Sykes family member for years. People say it's a rental but my guess is it is a family owned MH sitting on a friends property.

I was unaware CC married in 2008.

Jeff has remained out of the media circus and this case. I do not know where he lives now...could be with TN someplace. She has legally registered her addy as Pomona Park in March of this year. Prior to that she was never listed as officially living there. If you saw a pic (and I think it is on this site), you will see that this is a big step down to how they were living. Check out TN and her eviction thread, you may find the pic of where they lived in Fruitland Park. You could also check the Lake County records as the address was listed and you can google it maybe.


...To be continued..

BBM...

IMO, interesting that TN's money problems coincide with Ron getting busted for dealing drugs.
 
Also, when Misty was telling LE where everyone was sleeping she was very unprepared with what story would be best. Maybe she hadn't been rehersed enough about what bed everyone was sleeping in, or she may have gotten confused on what she was supposed to say. IMO
 
One more person knew that Haleigh did not sleep in her bed....Junior.

Junior was the big risk. The story had to stay as close to normal as possible because of Junior. If Junior admits to LE that normally both Haleigh and him slept with Misty, LE is going to get suspicious.

Why that night did the routine change? Why did they lie about the routine change?

Also, when you are lying, you stick to the truth as much as possible. Misty described her day. Misty talked about a "normal" day. If you notice, Misty never gave any details. Misty said things like I did housework but never specified anything that could be verified. They stuck with the truth when possible so they had less lies to remember.

Same thing with where Haleigh slept. Too big of a risk of anyone letting it slip that she normally slept in Misty's room but the night she disappeared was abnormal.

BBM

I do not think little kids are lacking in intelligence or anything like that, but, IMO, I do believe their awareness is more specialty related than an adults would be. That's why I used the words 'conclusively know', because while I am sure Jr. would be able to say Haleigh goes to bed in Misty's room, I don't think it would ping on his radar enough to be able to contradict should Misty and/or Ron claim after Haleigh watches a movie at night she is either sent to her own room or carried there after falling asleep.

JMOO, this would be an easier lie to pull off than someone leaving work for x amount of time without being noticed, or saying they were at the MH when they were not, or saying they were not at the MH when they were. Also, had Haleigh been injured badly enough earlier in the day to later that evening die from it, IMO, she would have had symptoms that Jr. would have been able to recount. I've also heard enough first-hand accounts of people who have OD'ed to know the probability of vomiting and seizures, which, IMO, would be something Jr. could probably be aware of and recount, were that to have happened to Haleigh. I just don't believe Jr. would have slept through that any more than I believe Misty slept through someone coming in and taking Haleigh from right under her nose.

All the above, MOO.
 
RC cannot reach MC so he calls over to TomC’s house to see if she is there. TomC advises RC that he went home after the A/C guy left and has no idea where she is; agrees to run over to the mh to see if she is there. (unbeknownst that she is off in la-la land sleeping away, unaware anyone is looking for her)
TomC arrives @ the mh, it is dark with no lights on. He knocks on the door and no one answers. Now he is getting a bit worried here so he tries to call her on her cell phone. Unable to reach her, he calls his brother, maybe he knows something? Is she with their parents @ the hospital in Gainesville? Maybe she is at the house on Magnolia?
He tries to make contact with RC but it goes into voice mail. He stays @ the mh for quite awhile, trying to figure out what to do while awaiting a callback from somebody.
Meanwhile, Cousin Joe is @ TimC’s house, in fact he is speaking with his girlfriend on Chels’ cell phone. They are leaving Florida the following morning and are making arrangements for her to pick him up so they can head back to Tennessee.
TomC has to get back home, his wife would be home from school in just a few minutes ... Besides, RC problems are “his problems,” - he doesn’t really care. But … where is his sister? :waitasec:
 
BBM

I do not think little kids are lacking in intelligence or anything like that, but, IMO, I do believe their awareness is more specialty related than an adults would be. That's why I used the words 'conclusively know', because while I am sure Jr. would be able to say Haleigh goes to bed in Misty's room, I don't think it would ping on his radar enough to be able to contradict should Misty and/or Ron claim after Haleigh watches a movie at night she is either sent to her own room or carried there after falling asleep.

JMOO, this would be an easier lie to pull off than someone leaving work for x amount of time without being noticed, or saying they were at the MH when they were not, or saying they were not at the MH when they were. Also, had Haleigh been injured badly enough earlier in the day to later that evening die from it, IMO, she would have had symptoms that Jr. would have been able to recount. I've also heard enough first-hand accounts of people who have OD'ed to know the probability of vomiting and seizures, which, IMO, would be something Jr. could probably be aware of and recount, were that to have happened to Haleigh. I just don't believe Jr. would have slept through that any more than I believe Misty slept through someone coming in and taking Haleigh from right under her nose.

All the above, MOO.

It isn't about Junior figuring out ad contradicting anyone on his own, it is about Junior asnwering questions he is asked by the child psychologist who "interviewed" him. No adult was there feeding him answers.

LE is going to question anything that Junior contradicts.

Junior tells them that Haleigh sleeps in the room with Misty and him.

LE is going to wondering why on the night that Haleigh disappeared, she did not sleep with Misty like normal but slept by herself.

As far as what Junior did see or did not see, I don't think they considered LE asking about what happened that day BEFORE Haleigh disappeared. Ron several times gave interviews where he was angry that LE was asking questions about BEFORE Haleigh disappeared.

IMO, Junior was with GGma Sykes that day.

"He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn't know anything...said he was asleep," Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, told First Coast News on Monday.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095

IMO, what she is saying is that she had Junior who was sleeping. Ten minutes after she got there, they noticed that Haleigh had died.

Then you have the mad dash to GGma Sykes alledgedly to get Haleigh the clothes she wanted to wear that day. Even GREAT parents to not make a dash for a certain outfit.

IMO, the mad dash was to pick up Haleigh to take her to school. Junior was left with GGma Sykes so Ron could sleep. They did not want to admit that Ron/Misty were still fighting so started the lies to make everything look great on Sunday night believing that LE would only be interested in the last time Haleigh was seen and not leading up to that night.
 
My answers in blue:

It isn't about Junior figuring out ad contradicting anyone on his own, it is about Junior asnwering questions he is asked by the child psychologist who "interviewed" him. No adult was there feeding him answers.

LE is going to question anything that Junior contradicts.

I assume LE questioned Jr. I didn't expect Jr. would be sitting there going over everything that was said and injecting himself on his own if he didn't agree with something that was said. I guess I should make myself more clear:
If Misty and Ron claimed they put Haleigh in their room at bedtime to settle down and/or go to sleep, and then move her to her own room later, like when Misty is ready for bed, then IMO even if LE questions Jr. about it, he wouldn't be able to say, "No, that is not true, Haleigh sleeps there all night long, because she is always there in the morning." IMO, this is something he just probably would not pay attention to.

Junior tells them that Haleigh sleeps in the room with Misty and him.

I've never seen where Jr. tells them this, however, I have seen where Misty tells LE this, which was my point.

LE is going to wondering why on the night that Haleigh disappeared, she did not sleep with Misty like normal but slept by herself.

Why? Why would LE wonder why a 5-year-old girl was not sleeping with Misty but sleeping in her own room unless someone made them aware that is the normal conditions there? It's not like LE had some way to know this before the 911 call was made, or before they got to the residence and they were told this. It's not like it is SOP for 5-yr-olds to be sleeping with their parents, step-parents, or parent's live-in girlfriends. Another thing LE probably didn't know at the time, is Ron moved to the MH because DCF required Haleigh and Jr. to have rooms of their own, so just another reason to think Haleigh would not be sleeping with Misty.

As far as what Junior did see or did not see, I don't think they considered LE asking about what happened that day BEFORE Haleigh disappeared. Ron several times gave interviews where he was angry that LE was asking questions about BEFORE Haleigh disappeared.

IMO, Junior was with GGma Sykes that day.

"He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn't know anything...said he was asleep," Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, told First Coast News on Monday.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095

IMO, what she is saying is that she had Junior who was sleeping. Ten minutes after she got there, they noticed that Haleigh had died.

I disagree. She says, "I got there...", not "We got there...", and why would Jr. say he didn't know anything about something that happened somewhere he was not? Is this something he just volunteered out of the blue, or was he asked by AS? Why would AS ask him if he was with her, IMO, that would imply he knows just as much about what happened as she does.
But let's say you are correct, and Jr. had spent the night with his GGMa, so what? Why would that be something to lie about? If anything, that would make the 'taken' story easier to believe, if Jr. wasn't even there. It would also make it that much easier to lie about Haleigh being in another room than right there with Misty, because then, no matter how much Jr. was questioned, how would he know where Haleigh was sleeping that night when he wasn't even there? It also gets rid of the questions about why was Haleigh taken instead of Jr. and why was Jr. not taken also.

Then you have the mad dash to GGma Sykes alledgedly to get Haleigh the clothes she wanted to wear that day. Even GREAT parents to not make a dash for a certain outfit.

IMO, the mad dash was to pick up Haleigh to take her to school. Junior was left with GGma Sykes so Ron could sleep. They did not want to admit that Ron/Misty were still fighting so started the lies to make everything look great on Sunday night believing that LE would only be interested in the last time Haleigh was seen and not leading up to that night.

I don't know where the "Even GREAT parents do not make a dash for a certain outfit." comes from. When my kids were little, I once drove 30 miles round-trip on a whim to go to McD's and get them saus. biscuits and hashbrowns for a special breakfast treat for when they woke up. However, I do agree GREAT parents do not go screeching at an unsafe speed into a crowd of kids waiting at a busstop.

Having a child stay at a grandparent's house overnight does not equal adults are fighting and the kids are in the way. Kids stay at grandparent's houses a lot just because there is mutual affection and the two or more want to spend time together.

As far as any of them not thinking they would be questioned about events BEFORE Haleigh went missing, and Ron being angry about being questioned about BEFORE Haleigh went missing, my assumption is if someone is going to make up a story about some unsub coming in and taking a sleeping child from her bed, part of the story would need to include how an unsub would even know a child was in that home asleep in the bed, which would lead to 'what was going on before this child was taken?' and also leads me back full circle to my original point. An unsub coming in, IMO, would expect this child they have some knowledge of (as I don't believe someone would just randomly break into homes in the middle of the night until they found one containing a child to kidnap) to be asleep alone in their own room, and finding the child asleep feet away from an (almost) adult and another child, would more than likely either wait for a better snatch opportunity or in some way restrain the others in the room, therefore, if that is the story a person was going to go with, it just seems to me like they would include in the story the child was in another room, unless they knew they wouldn't get away with that detail.

All the above, MOO.
 
BBM...

IMO, interesting that TN's money problems coincide with Ron getting busted for dealing drugs.

From what I've read, TN was in financial trouble at the time the Haleigh was reported missing too. Didn't I read that she couldn't make rent and was evicted? Does anyone know if TN's boyfriend was living with her at the time of Haleigh's disappearance? Is he still in the picture?
 
From what I've read, TN was in financial trouble at the time the Haleigh was reported missing too. Didn't I read that she couldn't make rent and was evicted? Does anyone know if TN's boyfriend was living with her at the time of Haleigh's disappearance? Is he still in the picture?

Those are tough questions to answer.

The police report states Ron called Teresa shortly after he learned HaLeigh was missing and she gave LE her address as 105 Rita Lane, Pomona Park/Crescent City, which is 10.4 miles from Ron&#8217;s. Travel time by car is approximately 16 minutes so it appears TN was at Rita Lane when Ron called her but TN did not confirm with LE that's where she actually was.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

The tiny trailer at 105 Rita Lane which the Cummings family owns has been in the family for many many years. I searched for a thread and/or information about TN being evicted but I came up empty-handed.

One post said court documents addressed to H, Jeff who is supposedly TN&#8217;s boyfriend were undeliverable in Lake. (link below) It would be interesting to know what his charges were.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Is Ronald's sister Crystal C. living at 202 Green Lane?

TN and her former husband divorced in 2005, so TN met Jeff afterwards but I have no idea how long they have known each other or how long they&#8217;ve been dating. Perhaps the reason they are not seen in public together is because they haven&#8217;t been dating very long and they aren&#8217;t ready to commit to each other.

I suppose because Ron and Crystal have Jack Cummings&#8217; surname, Teresa was married to him, but I haven&#8217;t come across any information which states when they were married and how long their marriage lasted.

In the below link, the poster said TN lived in Fruitland Park between 11/08 and 5/09. H., Jeff is listed as an Associate, Household members: none.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Is Ronald's sister Crystal C. living at 202 Green Lane?

To complicate matters, the poster in the below links says there are court documents that prove TN lived in Lake County and she doesn&#8217;t actually live in the trailer on Rita Lane. Perhaps someone knows how to access TN records in Lake County. I did find records on TN but I&#8217;d have to pay to retrieve them.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Is Ronald's sister Crystal C. living at 202 Green Lane?

A pipl search on TN and AS revealed they both had apartments in Lady Lake in Lake County but dates of their tenancy were not included.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Teresa N., Haleigh's paternal grandmother

I recently came across a conversation Ron had with TN while he was in PCJ and Ron said he wanted to do his income tax because he was expecting a refund of $5000-$6000.
 
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