General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[little lulu]

BBM...Exactly.... And IMO Ronald Cummings and his family were well aware of that fact and that is WHY they made certain no one would know how and where her remains were disposed of... I agree with Tim Miller...Haleigh's remains will never be found...JMHO..

Very sad but true, I agree and it makes me angry at every player in this case.
Am very frustrated with LE down there, no updates..no nothing.

 

[LillieBelle]

It has always been my opinion that members of the Putnam Co. LE could not afford for certain information to be published and it wasn't in their best interests to dig too deep in their investigation of Haleigh's case. JMO, but I believe that the Cummings side of the family know alot about some of the LE involved with this case.

And it is a fact that Sherriff Hardy's son was arrested later for manufacturing Meth...

 

[1Chump]

I agree uva. Just the location could give clues in directions that should be investigated more thoroughly in other directions. for example, if the well location mentioned in the letter proves to be where remains are found, then who wrote that letter becomes more important.

If remains are not found in a well as mentioned in the letter, it looks like just a crackpot wrote it. But if someone does fine a well that has Haleigh's remains in it, that changes everything. JMO

I wonder if anyone thought to check Ron's cell phone pings on Christmas Day to try to ascertain where he went to visit Haleigh.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I wonder if anyone thought to check Ron's cell phone pings on Christmas Day to try to ascertain where he went to visit Haleigh.

Good question Chump. Wonder if we'll ever know.

 

[nomoresorrow]

BBM...Exactly.... And IMO Ronald Cummings and his family were well aware of that fact and that is WHY they made certain no one would know how and where her remains were disposed of... I agree with Tim Miller...Haleigh's remains will never be found...JMHO..

I agree Em and it sure makes me look back and wonder if Tim's remark, something along the lines of "everything is not quite what it seems," was actually in reference to/about LE there. His comment about HaLeigh's remains never being found certainly doesn't reflect a whole lot of confidence in LE...just saying.

~All My Opinions Only~

 

[nomoresorrow]

RE: Cellphone pings/records - 1Chump your post raises a question; If LE has any phone records, be it call records and/or ping records, from any of the players, they don't have to release them to the public because it's considered an ongoing "open" case and no one has been arrested (in connection to HaLeigh) - is that right? In other words, we'll really never know what LE had/didn't have. JMO ~

 

[cluciano63]

Haleigh, I am sorry you were surrounded by(unusual persons) who are only concerned with themselves and their next fix...when that happens, children are always the casualty in some way and you have been a victim in the worst possible way.

Once Misty has all of her sentences squared away...this may be the last of the case as far as any active investigation goes. Three people will be serving at least some prison time. And unless one of the (unusual persons) decides that someone else has a better deal than they ended up with and decides to tell the truth, that may be all you get as far as justice goes. It's not fair to you, or to your mom and others who love you. But maybe it will be long enough for your brother to grow up safely.

 

[Baznme]

I agree Em and it sure makes me look back and wonder if Tim's remark, something along the lines of "everything is not quite what it seems," was actually in reference to/about LE there. His comment about HaLeigh's remains never being found certainly doesn't reflect a whole lot of confidence in LE...just saying.

~All My Opinions Only~

I think I can say with a fair amount of confidence that Tim's remark was a remark about why the search was being ended for Haleigh. Nothing more. Tim would not speak for LE in any way even if he had inside information. It's not his way.

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM...Exactly.... And IMO Ronald Cummings and his family were well aware of that fact and that is WHY they made certain no one would know how and where her remains were disposed of... I agree with Tim Miller...Haleigh's remains will never be found...JMHO..

Sadly, I have to agree with you that Haleigh's remains will never be found. IMO, someone in the Cummings family took her away and put her in a place where no one would ever find her. I don't think that anyone besides this person knows where she is located. It would be way too risky for even Annette, Teresa or Ron to know. I'm hoping that Ron's father and Uncle's whereabouts that night were thoroughly checked out by the detectives.

 

[B4igo2it]

LE in a round about way told the public that they did not need their assistance, that they could bring resolution to this case on their own and kept every clue to themselves. As a result, what we have here before us Watson is a COLD CASE and it will remain so but for by the grace of God and/or a touch of luck.

... totally pathetic imho

 

[nomoresorrow]

I think I can say with a fair amount of confidence that Tim's remark was a remark about why the search was being ended for Haleigh. Nothing more. Tim would not speak for LE in any way even if he had inside information. It's not his way.

Hi Baznme! I don't think I worded what I was trying to say very well. I didn't mean that Tim was speaking for LE. What I was trying to say is, knowing that Tim would never openly criticize LE in a missing child case, in retrospect I wondered if the underlaying meaning to his comment was more about the local LE's handling of the case. Did Tim get a sense then that something wasn't quite right within PCSO and, because of that, held out any hope that HaLeigh would be found and this case would be solved. Of course we'll probably never really know. Hope I explained myself a little better here.
JMO~

 

[cluciano63]

LE in a round about way told the public that they did not need their assistance, that they could bring resolution to this case on their own and kept every clue to themselves. As a result, what we have here before us Watson is a COLD CASE and it will remain so but for by the grace of God and/or a touch of luck.

... totally pathetic imho

I think this is true, and only hope it is not also the case out in Portland...

 

[mysticrose]

I haven't been here "rehashing" with everyone but I do read. Christmas is coming, all I can do is pray some more that Haleigh is found, or some justice is brought for her, this has been such a horses butt investigation from the get go, and sadly I'm not sure we will ever know, but I will continue to pray and have hope for Haleigh......

 

[Baznme]

Hi Baznme! I don't think I worded what I was trying to say very well. I didn't mean that Tim was speaking for LE. What I was trying to say is, knowing that Tim would never openly criticize LE in a missing child case, in retrospect I wondered if the underlaying meaning to his comment was more about the local LE's handling of the case. Did Tim get a sense then that something wasn't quite right within PCSO and, because of that, held out any hope that HaLeigh would be found and this case would be solved. Of course we'll probably never really know. Hope I explained myself a little better here.
JMO~

No, I don't think so. I don't think that is what was meant at all. His job in being there was to search for Haleigh but I think he's been around enough of these searches long enough to realize when the characters involved are sincere or not and thus the reason for his comment. He has a very good raphor with LE, local or otherwise so that would not have been in Tim's idea bank, much less verbalize it to anyone.

 

[Whisperer]

We all have rehashed and thought about all possibilities. LE doesn't want public's help. They have said the perp is known to misty and/or ronald...there ya go. It could be either misty/ronald or just one of them or one of their family or friends. We have been told the likely perp/s are all in jail...so there you go.

LE will always tell us that it is an ongoing investigation....just like Tara Grinstead. That also was a small town with a few suspects which LE could not solve.. Another inside crime. Small town crimes seem to have a harder time to solve their cases.

 

[Baznme]

If there had been a GPS tracker on the underside of RC's truck on Xmas day, we might have a lot more insight as to where he went to "go talk to Haleigh". That's all I've got at this point.

 

[dodie20]

Snipped to keep only info pertinent to my response.

Your thoughts about Junior not being with them that day makes so much sense, he was elsewhere, probably with Grandma Sykes.

Throughout this whole time, the most obvious omission to me was the lack of "voice" from Junior, the lack of conversation from the players about what Junior was really doing, the fact that all sorts of noise was going on in the mobile home, but yet, Little Junior was sleeping through it all. What? No kid sleeps that soundly (without assistance). It makes more sense that he wasn't there and was brought there sometime just before or after the 911 call. Surely the little one would have been frightened having Misty searching & screaming for Haleigh, Ron having a fit when arriving home (or pretending to for the benefit of the 911 dispatcher) and Haleigh gone, and hearing the commotion of the 911 call ("How could you let my daughter get stole, b****?"). Wouldn't someone have mentioned the boys' reaction to that? Yet, on that 911 call, we don't hear them talking to him, but we do hear RC & Misty screaming at each other. No reaction from the boy? Not likely.

Each person's story omits Junior. Sure they might say he was sleeping with Misty, but they never mention what he was doing during the panicky "Where's Haleigh?". It's a glaring omission. Something the adults forgot to account for. Where was Jr. when Haleigh got off the bus? Was he really outside playing, or did the A/C guy see Tommy's kids & others, and assumed some of them were Ron's?

Oh, sure, we have the "man/men in black story" but could he have dreamed it later, or even overheard the conspirators discussing this as a possible scenario after the child was gone? Then he mentioned it to his mom because his mind was playing it in his head? :waitasec:

Junior's absence in all their versions has always bothered me. Where was Junior?

you're right about Jr. He should've been up, making noise, scared, asking questions. I've wondered if he was there when Haleigh was taken, (the man in black story), then taken somewhere else during the clean-up, & then brought back, after they came up with a story, & realized that Jr. needed to be a part of it. A sleeping, (drugged), Jr. could've been put back in bed, before the 911. When Crystal came out with Jr's man in black story, Ron was quick to dismiss it. Why? It would've fit right on in, with their snatcher story...unless he had more to say, that hasn't been released? like, Misty wasn't there? If Jr. said that Misty wasn't there, I can see why LE seemed so sure, but why not own up to it? Where was she & WTH was she doing? I don't think a dead Haleigh was taken from the home, because there would've been death evidence, but there were those dumpster hits. but LE calling the dock, the crime scene, pretty much, nullifies those hits...personally, I trust those hits more than I do LE's assertions.

 

[dodie20]

some of what we know...Misty & Ron had a fight, which led to her binger. There was a fight, involving Joe, at some point, over a gun. Ron was seen reckless driving, that morning, away from the bus stop. Misty was seen picking Haleigh up from the bus stop, arguing with Lindsey, although Ron swears, he picked her up. Ron went to work. Annette Sykes claims to have seen a live Haleigh. There were many calls, between Ron & Misty. There was at least 1 call, between Ron & Tommy-with Tommy, according to sources, taking that call from his parent's home. Tommy claimed to have gone to the trailer, on Ron's behalf, but found it dark & empty. He semi recanted that story. A scream was heard from the trailer. Misty, was seen outside, crying on the phone. Jr., via his mother, claims to have seen a man in black, with squeaky shoes, take Haleigh from her bed. He claims to have seen the couch bouncing. There were several hits, on the dumpster. Misty has failed her lie tests. Tommy failed 1, but claims he was only asked 1 question. Tommy, with help from Misty, accused Joe of murdering Haleigh. Misty, I do believe, has recanted that claim, but Tommy, via his lawyer, is sticking to it. According to sources, Misty has told LE, that Tommy has the answers, but Chelsea has denied that this conversation ever took place. Ron has struck a truth telling deal.

 

[dodie20]

I'm going with a theory that Misty wasn't with Ron, that morning, & he wasn't going to get Haleigh an outfit, but to pick her up from Annette's. (why didn't she take her to school?) Where was Misty, what did she really do the night before, & what did Ron really do the night before? & the night before is important, because their stories of that night, don't mesh & don't ring true. There was a report, that Misty was at a wild party...maybe, but I don't think she & Ron sat up, working out their problems. At some point, the next day, Misty went back to Ron, because she picked Haleigh up from the bus stop. What were she & Lindsey, & I'm assuming Tommy, arguing about at the bus stop? Misty tried to get Teresa to babysit, but she refused, so the kids were stuck at the trailer. Misty left them alone, but where did she go? Did it have something to do with Tommy & Joe? WBG? Ron? What happened, while she was gone? How long til she got back? Were there hours or just minutes, to plan a cover-up? why would she & Ron, participate in a cover-up, if they weren't guilty of murder? Did Ron think the kidnapping had something to do with the night before, not realizing that she was dead, for a different reason? Did he think she'd be returned, so he didn't see any reason, to expose his illegal activities? Did Misty let him think this, because she was in fact, guilty? or was she too, in the dark? Did it have something to do with her doublecrossing Ron, over the gun? After she left that night, how long was she gone? Did Ron know she was gone? & did he think she was gone, far less time, than she actually was? Say, she went to visit him, but instead of going back to the trailer, she went somewhere else, for hours. Would she admit that to him? I don't think so. I know I'm rambling, but I'm trying to think of a plausible scenario, in which Ron wasn't in on the murder, but still would've lied, & participated in the cover-up. I guess it depends on what all, he'd been up to, in the preceding days. I wonder what the odds would be of him thinking Haleigh missing had something to do with him, but him being mistaken. In a normal family, I'd say slim to none, but this family wasn't normal.

 

[Whisperer]

If there had been a GPS tracker on the underside of RC's truck on Xmas day, we might have a lot more insight as to where he went to "go talk to Haleigh". That's all I've got at this point.

Problem is that new white truck was acquired AFTER Haleigh vanished. I doubt LE could have put a tracker on it. I bet they put one on the Altima but ron NEVER drove it after Haleigh disappeared.:banghead: