General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[Quiche]

Imo, the Croslin Clan are dupes and are not responsible for Haleigh's disappearance. Misty, however, is probably an accomplice for covering up an accidental death in cahoots with RC, TN, and GGS. :twocents:

 

[lonetraveler]

Actually I was told that both Ronald and Misty failed their police polygraphs, in the genesis of this case.

Which really made law enforcement focus on them, if you recall law enforcement stated several times that Ronald was uncooperative and that he was protecting Misty and sheilding her.

Unfortunately polygraphs are not allowed into evidence, so law enforcement cannot charge Tommy, Misty, or Ronald for simply failing a polygraph.

I also don't believe Tommy when he told Lindsy that they only asked him one question during the polygraph. They ask a couple of questions. First they will ask him something like: "Is your name Tommy..." obviously he will say yes, and they will get a truthful answer, and then compare that to the other questions they ask him.

Tommy placed himself at the scene of the crime, we know Ron and Tommy were in some sort of communication that night, we know Ron put a headless rat in Tommy's mailbox, Misty says Tommy knows. That is enough for law enforcement to call him a suspect... I think they're trying to get him to crack.

I just wonder if his mind is so messed up on drugs if he can remember or know exactly what he did? But he did something.

He is not innocent in all of this that is for sure.

I wish LE could start applying pressure to Annette and Teresa. From what I've been told PCSO would like to but they have very good reasons why they can't, because they have to work with other police departments, who may be protecting Annette... Contrary to what some say, PCSO cannot stand Ron's family.
Ron's mom Teresa has made up nasty nicknames for some of the officers involved in the case, and she regularly complains about them. There is no love loss there.

I totally agree with your comment bolded by me. I have wanted LE to apply pressure to Annette and Teresa from the start of this case. It has appeared to me that these two people are "off limits" for any kind of pressuring from LE. I sure do want to know the details of this one. I'm sure there is a very interesting story here about these two.

 

[Chablis]

Why would anyone protect Annette and Teresa? If this was the case, we never would have heard of Haleigh. I am not buying that.

 

[nomoresorrow]

I suppose this is just 'out there' but I truly wish LE would issue statements on this case, it's like 'no one's home' . Personally to me, it looks bad on them.

Unfortunately I think that the only thing LE wants/wanted from the very onset of this case was for it/everyone to simply go away and forget about it! :furious: IMO, the families don't seem to mind that too much themselves, otherwise we'd be hearing alot more from them. You'd have to kill me to shut me up if it was my child/grandchild! :banghead: Who did this to you HaLeigh? What did they do to you HaLeigh? When did it happen HaLeigh? And Where did they put you HaLeigh?

 

[Baznme]

Unfortunately I think that the only thing LE wants/wanted from the very onset of this case was for it/everyone to simply go away and forget about it! :furious: IMO, the families don't seem to mind that too much themselves, otherwise we'd be hearing alot more from them. You'd have to kill me to shut me up if it was my child/grandchild! :banghead: Who did this to you HaLeigh? What did they do to you HaLeigh? When did it happen HaLeigh? And Where did they put you HaLeigh?

Amen, nomoresorrow........I agree totally! If this were my grandchild.....I'd be hounding the media for coverage as often as they would permit it. Going on local TV shows, working with missing children's organizations and shouting on the rooftops to anyone that would listen but it seems so still up there in Putnam County all you hear are the crickets. This speaks volumes to me!

 

[4Jacy]

Unfortunately I think that the only thing LE wants/wanted from the very onset of this case was for it/everyone to simply go away and forget about it! :furious: IMO, the families don't seem to mind that too much themselves, otherwise we'd be hearing alot more from them. You'd have to kill me to shut me up if it was my child/grandchild! :banghead: Who did this to you HaLeigh? What did they do to you HaLeigh? When did it happen HaLeigh? And Where did they put you HaLeigh?

You deserve more then a just pushing the "thanks" button. You are right on all of the above! What the he// is going on down there? Why aren't the Cummings and Sheffields out there pounding their chests?

I'm sure they (LE) would have to arrest me (and I believe you too nms,)for harrassing my neighbors, the teachers, the school children, the school children's parents, and the LE themselves :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

[nomoresorrow]

Like all of you, I check here regularly for any "new" news about HaLeigh, but theres nada, zip, zilch, zero, nothing, didly squat, and/or Jack *****!!! I just don't (or can't ) get it. Where is the FBI?! I really wish there was some kind of protocol (law) in place whereby the FBI mandatorily took over ALL missing child cases that go unsolved for more than 30-days. If local LE knew this would automatically occur if they didn't get somewhere in a case, maybe they'd be alot more conscious of doing a better investigative job - from the get-go - from the first moment the child is reported missing! It would also help to weed out any "less-than professional" or, shall we say "unusual" activity within the local LE agencies that may be causing a hinderence in the investigation(s). Just my
(I'm frustrated, anyone else?)

 

[4Jacy]

Like all of you, I check here regularly for any "new" news about HaLeigh, but theres nada, zip, zilch, zero, nothing, didly squat, and/or Jack *****!!! I just don't (or can't ) get it. Where is the FBI?! I really wish there was some kind of protocol (law) in place whereby the FBI mandatorily took over ALL missing child cases that go unsolved for more than 30-days. If local LE knew this would automatically occur if they didn't get somewhere in a case, maybe they'd be alot more conscious of doing a better investigative job - from the get-go - from the first moment the child is reported missing! It would also help to weed out any "less-than professional" or, shall we say "unusual" activity within the local LE agencies that may be causing a hinderence in the investigation(s). Just my
(I'm frustrated, anyone else?)

Again, and again, and again, you warm my heart. Thanks for pushing this forward, and I totally agree with you about the FBI. If that were to happen the quacks (LE) or the coverups by the LE would be exposed and we would know where little Haleigh was and who was responsible for her demise.
Thanks for all your common sense.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I'm gonna rehash a few theories. Ron as the perp...Misty might cover for him, but would Tommy? especially to the point of blaming Joe? that's beyond crazy, unless Ron knows something just as bad on Tommy, which is doubtful. Misty as the perp...this actually makes the most logical sense, because I think she'd garner the most loyalty, but this much & this long? after she & Ron divorced, wouldn't he have come forward? plus, I don't think Tommy cares that much for Misty, & she has given him many reasons, to turn on her. so, seeing his continued support is hard, for me....unless she knows something just as bad about him. Tommy, as the perp...this is a tricky one. If Tommy's the guilty one, the only thing that makes sense, is that Ron doesn't know. Otherwise, would he cover for him? deal drugs with him? again, only if Tommy knows something just as bad on him. Would Misty cover for Tommy. A lot of people think she'd turn on him in a heartbeat, but I'm not so sure. Tommy messes up every scenario, regardless of who I look at. He shouldn't be in this mess, but he is. At this point, I'm still leaning towards Tommy being the perp, Misty involved somehow, & covering for him, & Ron living such an illegal lifestyle, that he univolved himself, real quick. I think he's been covering for whatever Misty's did.

You've made some good points Dodie. My only problem with that, I believe that TN and AS know more than they are telling, and I don't think they would cover for anyone...except their baby, Ron.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I thought somebody might have a conscience attack too, or more likely, an 'I'm not going down for you', attack, but nothing. & that is one of the most baffling things I've ever seen. because, how could these people ALL be culpable? I've thought that all, but the perp, might be so immersed in the different cover-ups, that they just look guilty, but after all of this time, that's making less & less sense.

I agree totally with you this time Dodie. For Heaven's sake, they are sitting in jail...no life whatsoever...for 15-25 years...They have to be guilty, or the stupidest (is that a word?) people on this planet! I just don't get it why they had rather sit there all that time than to tell what happened to that sweet child THEY ALL SAY THEY LOVED SO MUCH!

 

[krkrjx]

Here's what I think may have happened: They decided to lie from the beginning, not considering that it would evolve into a mass of lies necessary to cover their butts for the first lie. They got so enmeshed that there was no way out and after so much time everything they tried just dug them in deeper.

I think Haleigh died as a result of some activity by two or more of the players. I do not think Haleigh was murdered. IMO, her death was the result of some activity freely and willfully engaged in by a couple or several of the players. While I do not think Haleigh's demise was intentional, I do believe the activity was. IOW, if Haleigh's demise was an accident, it was not your ordinary everyday household accident.

IMO, there was no motive for Haleigh's demise and that means the person or persons most reponsible for Haleigh's demise may be one or more who would be least likely to be considered a suspect solely because they would appear to have no motive.

While there may have been no motive for Haleigh's demise, the crime in total was not motiveless. By that I mean that while there may have been no reason for anyone to intentionally harm Haleigh, once she was harmed they went out of their way to cover it up. There was definitely motive to cover up what happened.

Why cover up an accidental death? Well, there are reasons to cover up an accident death and, in this case, it may have been in order to avoid expsoing the activity going down or the fact that certain persons where present at the time the accident occurred, or both.

Any one of the players, if involved in some activity that led to Haleigh's death, probably believed that they would be held responsible. The most common scenario I can think of where the an unnatural death might not be ruled accidental is if there is evidence of trauma on the body. Even with a drug overdose, it would be difficult to rule out the child taking the medication herself.

Some time back I was having serious doubts about this being drug overdose because that could be explained away as accidental. It would be extremely difficult to prove drugs were purposely given to the child unless the drugs were injected, and I just don't think that happened.

For some reason, the responsible party(ies) covered up what happened to Haleigh. Either they believed drugs would be found in her system and they would not be able to explain that, or her body showed evidence of trauma. When it was reported that Haleigh's nebulizer machine was missing from the scene, my mind went immediately to Haleigh having succumbed to residue in the nebulizer after others had misused it. However, it was later reported that the neb was not really missing, so I am not convinced Haleigh was the victim of illicit drugs via her nebulizer.

I think the players decided to deceive because it never occured to them that they would not get away with it. There have been children taken from their beds while adults were in the home sleeping just down the hall. I believe our players thought they would be believed because all they would need to say was Ron was at work and Misty was asleep. They had not counted on anyone questioning their stories too extensively. However, every time more questions were asked they responded with more lies. That's how lying goes--you tell one and soon you have to tell another to cover for it, and on and on. Our players got in so deep with their lies that they could not get out.

What's really ironic about this is that they are now in prison, possibly for a lot longer than any of them would have been if they had come clean about that night from the beginning. Possibly one or more might have been convicted of negligent homicide and sentenced to perhaps five years, give or take. With negligent homicide, they would be eligible for early release under the Florida 85% rule; with drug trafficking they are not eligible.

So now they sit in prison, and we wonder why they would choose to do that rather than tell the truth about that night. IMO, it might be for one of two reasons: 1) Haleigh died of discipline gone wrong and no one wants to admit to infliciting the discipline and/or their part in the cover-up, or 2) Haleigh's death was accidental and covered up in a panic, but anyone admitting that at this late date might face considerably more than a negligent homicide charge.

All JMO.

 

[dodie20]

this is what I think is possible...there was the gun fight with Joe, & the argument between Misty & Linsey, at the bus stop, so Ron knew who was mad at him & why. I think he believed that this was the reason for Haleigh's kidnapping. IMO, he might've thought that Joe & Tommy were trying to scare him & teach him a lesson, but would return Haleigh. that doesn't make much sense, but these people were really young, really immature, & had teenagery mentalities. When he realized that Haleigh wasn't coming home, it was too late to do anything, & IMO, he didn't see any reason to fess up to his illegal activities...so, he married Misty, grieved, & moved on. & in the meantime, somebody was getting away with murder. What he thought was the motivation, may have just played a small part, & the real motivation, may have been a completely separate incident. I think all of these people were involved in different crimes, different cover-ups, & all of this activity just acted as a shield for the murderer. IMO, Ron didn't suspect Misty, & he was trying to keep her away from her family. for safety reasons? according to Flo, Misty was in on a plot to doublecross Ron, so she wasn't as clueless, as he thought. I think Ron & Misty came up with the sleeping story, to cover all bases. He was at work, she was asleep, so they knew nothing. During the 911, Ron's reaction sounded fake, IMO, but I've wondered if that may have been because he had an idea that Misty was involved, but was pushing that thought away, at least for the time being. & I've wondered how much she did know, at that time. IMO, she seemed shocked & scared, but that doesn't mean she was clueless. She referred to Haleigh as her daughter, & I don't think she ever did that again. weird. In the early days, Misty seemed traumatized, & Ron seemed stunned, but after their celebrity set in, she got defiant, & he got angry. Anyway, IDK if any of these people trusted each other. maybe they all suspected each other, & only the killer knows what really happened. IMO, & this is just a guess, if Tommy's the killer, he involved Misty somehow...maybe not until later, but I think he might have threatened her & told her some wild stories & may have showed her the disposal site. She failed those lie tests, for a reason...if she was guilty, wouldn't the cops have gotten her by now?

 

[chigger]

I have followed this from the beginning and here is my thoughts: I think MC was exhausted from a weekend of drugging and partying, and then up a nother night fighting with RC. I think TC and JO came to visit with the intent to have sex with MC. I think this had been going on in this family for a long time. The way they were raised with drug addicted parents living here and there there is no telling what these kids saw and were subjected to in their young lives. I bet MC was not much if any older than Haleigh when she was first molested by God knows who. I think they came with drugs and alcohol and between the drugs and exhaustion she passed out. These two (snipped by mod) substituted Haleigh instead. ( Junior and the bouncing couch story). I believe Haleigh was injured and died and the panic set in. I think MC called RC @ work to tell him and was to scared and JO and TC convinced her she would go down with them so she shut her phone off and helped with the cover up.When RC came home she was outside in a panic and HC, JO, and TC were gone and the lies started and snowballed and she felt at this point she could't come clean and even now she thinks that the drug offences will be better in jail than accessory of a murder of a child. The old saying blood is thicker than water rings true here. I really don't think anyone but JO and TC knows where Haleigh's body is. They wouldn't tell MC because they were afraid she would crack and tell. No body no crime and so it stands to this day. IMO

I would not be surprised if Haleigh saw Tommy and Misty in a compromising postion, and threatened to tell Ron. They had to shut her up, NO ONE would want that kind of information made public. When I heard Lindsey say the "incestous relationship" comment on the jailhouse tapes, I believed this even more. LC KNOWS there's something not right with TC and MC's relationship--it's seemed off for years.

Anyway, I believe Misty and Tommy did away with Haleigh, Timmy helped with the dispoal, but that both Timmy and Ronald were told Haleigh overdosed on illegal drugs.

 

[krkrjx]

I would not be surprised if Haleigh saw Tommy and Misty in a compromising postion, and threatened to tell Ron. They had to shut her up, NO ONE would want that kind of information made public. When I heard Lindsey say the "incestous relationship" comment on the jailhouse tapes, I believed this even more. LC KNOWS there's something not right with TC and MC's relationship--it's seemed off for years.

Anyway, I believe Misty and Tommy did away with Haleigh, Timmy helped with the dispoal, but that both Timmy and Ronald were told Haleigh overdosed on illegal drugs.

Chigger, your theory makes a whole lot of sense. I had considered this early on but had myself convinced that Ron could not be stupid enough to just believe whatever Misty told him. However, once Ron got himself arrested in a drug sting where he was videotaped, not just once but in five separate transactions with a UC, I had to consider that maybe Ron is not as bright as some people want us to believe. With that in mind, it comes easier for me to believe that Misty was able to get Ron to believe anything she told him about what happened.

If Misty and/or Tommy deliberately did away with Haleigh, or even if they just tried to quiet her and she died in the process, and then decided to use a drug overdose scenario to appease Ron, they would have removed the body from the scene to protect themselves from a homicide charge, but also because they could not risk Ron finding out that there were no drugs in Haleigh's system. And Ron would go along with a cover-up and be non-cooperative with LE if he had been convinced that Haleigh died of drugs.

Ron's family would go along with however Ron wanted it handled, IMO. If he wanted things swept under the rug, and didn't want Haleigh found out of fear that her system would show illicit drugs, his family would help make that happen, IMO.

All three players are where they belong and I hope they all stay there until they decide to do the right thing.

 

[chigger]

I don't think any of them will tell the truth. They don't want anyone to know what they are. Especialy not while they're in jail.

 

[chigger]

And I think Timmy's in too deep to risk telling what he knows. I'm sure it was his and Chelsea's idea to point the finger at JO. That started almost immediately, in a vague way.

 

[dodie20]

And I think Timmy's in too deep to risk telling what he knows. I'm sure it was his and Chelsea's idea to point the finger at JO. That started almost immediately, in a vague way.

that could be true, but I'm not convinced Joe was an innocent bystander, whose family turned on him. & I think for him to prove he's not the actual murderer, he's gonna have to come clean about what really did happen...& he's not willing to do that...because he's in a better position, keeping his mouth shut. He's not in jail, he's not a 'suspect', & he's miles away from all of these people. On the other hand, he could've slept that night away, & to protect their own tight knit group, they decided to throw him to the wolves. When I 1st heard Tommy's, 'Joe did it' story, I thought there was some truth to it, but he may have reversed his & Joe's roles...to make himself the threatened, scared one. I had a hard time picturing skinny, teenaged Joe, terrifying bigger, older, Tommy. plus...these were Tommy's stomping grounds. He knew the people, he had the connections, he knew the neighborhood, & he knew the hiding spots. 1 of my biggest problems with this case, is Misty being labeled 'the key'. What does that mean? What it doesn't mean, is 'suspect' or 'person of interest'. I take it to mean that she has been withholding a bit of information that could break this case, wide open, (dream on), or she's actively covering for somebody. But for LE to so confidently, label her, then they must know for a fact, what she's withholding...so, why don't they proceed, without her? Why must the burden of solving this case, fall on Misty Croslin? That's not fair to Haleigh. So, if it never gets solved, just blame 'the key'. how convenient. After 2 years of this hounding, I think the public should be given a definition, to go along with that word. If LE wants us to blindly accept, that this is all in Misty's court, & all her fault...well, then help us out here. I don't think the local cops are crooked, & I believe they want to solve this case...but I do think they have tunnel vision, & I think these drug cases are consolation justice. I'm to the point, of wondering if Haleigh's case will ever be solved. Tommy was called a suspect-just in time, to garuntee a stiff drug sentence...but what now? Is that it? all of this is MOO, of course,.

 

[dodie20]

Misty is the key. Tommy is the suspect. What's Ron? a grieving dad? a grieving dad with some useful information... pertaining to the key? or to the suspect? hmmm. What's Joe? an innocent victim? maybe, but he was there, fighting over guns, & then Haleigh vanished, & he helped hang fliers & then he scrammed. I guess he was police suavy enough to realize that even if he wasn't involved in Haleigh's disappearance, him fighting with Ron, would surely not look good. even though we haven't seen much from him, I have to say, from what I've seen, he doesn't act like a killer, trying to get away with murder. Now, Tommy, on the other hand, does act like he's scrambling for his life...lying, changing stories, making himself a victim, & it's all so self serving. he didn't take drugs that day, he was so high on xanax, that he doesn't remember big, important chunks of time, he went to the trailer for Ron, he banged on the door, but didn't go in, he was in the trailer, & an enraged Joe, threatened his life, & forced him to accompany him, to the disposal site. Try as I might, I can't see him making up that story, because of coercian, or as a way to get out of jail. No, I think he put truth into that story, but absolved himself from blame-or so he thought. It seems that he played it as close to the vest, as he possibly could, but it didn't pay off. He claims he was asked only 1 question, on his LDT, & the only way I believe that, is if after the 1st question, he realized where they were headed, so he bolted. In those jail tapes, I heard rising anger & a barely suppressed rage, any time something Haleigh related, was brought up. I didn't get that from the others. He was desperate, to keep the focus on his drug case, so he could serve his 3 years, get out, & never mess up or do drugs again. & he admitted that the other inmates taunted him about Haleigh, but as far as I know, the others weren't. What do we know about Tommy's daily life, before Haleigh went missing? that might shed some light, on the kind of person he was.

 

[krkrjx]

Misty is the key. Tommy is the suspect. What's Ron? a grieving dad? a grieving dad with some useful information... pertaining to the key? or to the suspect? hmmm.

(respectfully snipped and BBM)

Yep, Ron is a grieving dad. With useful information? My guess would be probably.

It is possible Ron came home from work to find his daughter was gone forever. And it is likely that this tore his guts out initially. But, he recovered remarkably well, and remarkably fast.

Trips, tats, a wedding followed by more trips and more tats. Drugs. Guns. His missing child all but forgotten; the remaining child in his custody all but forgotten as well while Daddy partied and dealt drugs and chased around with "the key" to his daughter's disappearance. I could write all night about what I think of Ronald Cummings for putting self-preservation ahead of justice for his missing child...

My mind's jury is still out on Joe. I have seen no evidence of his involvement in any way. That's not to say something might not come to light some day, at which time I will have no problem placing Joe at the scene, and involved to some degree, in any of the numerous scenarios I have been working with for nearly two years.

I think it is possible someone will talk some day. It will be someone who is at risk of being charged as an accessory if they talk now, so they will wait until the Statute of Limitations runs out on whatever they could be charged with. No one will talk while they have something to lose.

 

[little lulu]

Chigger, your theory makes a whole lot of sense. I had considered this early on but had myself convinced that Ron could not be stupid enough to just believe whatever Misty told him. However, once Ron got himself arrested in a drug sting where he was videotaped, not just once but in five separate transactions with a UC, I had to consider that maybe Ron is not as bright as some people want us to believe. With that in mind, it comes easier for me to believe that Misty was able to get Ron to believe anything she told him about what happened.

If Misty and/or Tommy deliberately did away with Haleigh, or even if they just tried to quiet her and she died in the process, and then decided to use a drug overdose scenario to appease Ron, they would have removed the body from the scene to protect themselves from a homicide charge, but also because they could not risk Ron finding out that there were no drugs in Haleigh's system. And Ron would go along with a cover-up and be non-cooperative with LE if he had been convinced that Haleigh died of drugs.

Ron's family would go along with however Ron wanted it handled, IMO. If he wanted things swept under the rug, and didn't want Haleigh found out of fear that her system would show illicit drugs, his family would help make that happen, IMO.

All three players are where they belong and I hope they all stay there until they decide to do the right thing.

I would not be surprised if Haleigh saw Tommy and Misty in a compromising postion, and threatened to tell Ron. They had to shut her up, NO ONE would want that kind of information made public. When I heard Lindsey say the "incestous relationship" comment on the jailhouse tapes, I believed this even more. LC KNOWS there's something not right with TC and MC's relationship--it's seemed off for years.

Anyway, I believe Misty and Tommy did away with Haleigh, Timmy helped with the dispoal, but that both Timmy and Ronald were told Haleigh overdosed on illegal drugs.

I tried to multi quote this because....you are all right, IMO.
I have thought and believed this from the beginning.....nothing else fits, Misty does not love Tommy enough to keep from telling if it was him alone, this is why she won't talk, it would make her look even worse if that's possible. I believe Haleigh caught these two together. As sick as it is, I will always believe this is what happened.