General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[Chablis]

Yeah, I dont buy the molestation of Misty by Tommy theories because I am aware of the kind of drugs they were doing, and I know it kills a sex drive. Also Tommy is not a registered sex offender and never has been, and I need more than the word of Misty, a known liar who has accused everyone and her brother, literally of "messing" with her, or Flora Hollars who is probably one of the most despicable people who has interjected themselves in this case.

I think that what happened is simple. We know that Misty and Ron fought that weekend, we know Misty was out screwing Greg Page and doing drugs, and we also know, or have been told, that Ronald forgave all of this, her affair wasnt a big deal, and they were back together by the time Haleigh went missing.

Yeah, right. Ronald is a hot head with a bad temper and someone paid the price for his rage, and its more than likely the missing child. I am sure Misty was present and he threatened her saying if she told, he would spin it back on her, I am sure he has told her its just as much her fault as it is his, if only she hadn't made him so mad, and I am sure Misty feels guilt, she also loves Ron and knows his child died, shes sympathetic for many reasons.

I think Tommy knows after the fact. Misty told him and thats why Ron put a rat in his mailbox. I do not beleive Annette or Teresa were involved, and I think only Ronald Cummings knows the location of the body.

 

[tiki21]

while i wouldn't be surprised with misty & tommy having an affair, i don't believe this is the reason for haleigh's disappearance. i have a 7 year old niece and she has been exposed to a LOT for her age. however, i'm not sure how she would react if she walked in on two people having an affair, especially if it wasn't in a bed.
that being said, if haleigh walked out of the room and saw misty and tommy on the couch doing something, i think she would be confused more than in tattle-tale mode.
the only way i could see misty and tommy feeling they needed to make sure haleigh never mentioned this, is if they were too drugged out. misty didn't seem to be all messed up on the 911 call so i don't believe this is what happened.
i'm more with chalibis- i don't believe for a second that ron was ok with misty running around with wbg. he is too hot headed to be ok with everyone knowing about misty and wbg.
i would believe misty's infidelities had more to do with haleigh's disappearance. i'm not sure how though- maybe she was mistakenly shot during one of ron's "i'm going to put a gun in my mouth and kill someone" rants or maybe she got in the middle of ron pushing misty around.

 

[krkrjx]

IMO, it is not out of the realm of possibility that Haleigh witnessed something, maybe wasn't shocked or confused by what she saw given the environment she was being raised in...but possibly she started talking loudly, maybe was told to go back to bed and refused. Someone might have hit her out of anger. Or maybe if she was getting loud they tried to quiet her with a hand over her mouth.

I did not think Misty was the perp because I could not see Ron allowing anyone to get away with doing anything to Haleigh. As of now, given all that has gone down over many months and Misty sitting where she is for possibly the next two decades, I have to consider that Misty was more involved than I had initially thought. She could be the main perp, but at the very least I think she was present when Haleigh met her demise, and I think she has all the answers with the possible exception being where Haleigh is. It is possible someone else removed Haleigh from the scene (and I am still not sure where "the scene" of the crime is--it could be Green Lane, Magnolia, Tyler, or none of those).

As for Ron leaving the clean-up and disposal of evidence to Misty and crew, I just don't see it! The only way that would make any sense to me is if Haleigh died after Ron had left for work. I cannot fathom him leaving a dead or dying child for others to deal with, especially a group of misfits. It would just be too risky for him to do that, too much chance of something going wrong. Maybe Misty loved Ron so much that she was willing to do anything for him, including getting rid of a body, but I cannot wrap my mind around her being willing to stew in prison for many years if there was anything she could do to get out or to lessen her sentence. I just can't believe she can still love Ron to that extent.

So now I believe Misty was involved to such a degree that she cannot come clean without giving up her part in the crime. If she did not harm Haleigh directly, she knows who did and she did nothing to stop it, and went on to assist in the clean-up and cover-up. Maybe she and the other perp(s) cooked up the story of a drug overdose, which would explain Ron's need to go along with the cover-up. Or, maybe Haleigh did in fact overdose on Ron's drugs.

I do believe Misty and Tommy could have had an incestuous relationship. Not sure if any such thing happened that night but if I am forced to consider WHAT Haleigh might have seen that had to be covered up at any cost, that is first on my list. Maybe Misty and Tommy were convinced that Ron would kill Tommy, no ifs and or buts about it.

We have few facts but one thing that cannot be ignored is Ronald Cummings behavior in the days, weeks, and months following Haleigh's disappearance. I do not know if Ron harmed Haleigh directly or not but his behavior is not that of an innocent man. However, if this crime was solely Ron's doing, Misty would have told all by now.

All JMO.

 

[dodie20]

I too am realizing that Misty probably played a bigger role, than I 1st thought, & I'm also sure that Ron was not ok with Misty's weekend...even though he was the reason she left. But, he obviously loved her & wanted her back, & I wonder since he seemed so forgiving, how far he would go to protect & cover for her. I don't think he'd want a murderer taking care of Jr...that's something I'm not willing to budge on, so if Ron is innocent, (& I'm assuming he is, for the time being), then I have to assume that he knew Misty was innocent too. Even if he deliberately kept himself in the dark, (& it seems that he did, at times), I can't see him not facing that reality. what I mean is...for Ron to be so loving towards Misty, & to let her live with Jr., he must've known that she was no murderer. Right after this broke, Misty went home to her mother, but then shortly after, she was back with Ron. So, it looks like he might have suspected her, but then had reason to think otherwise. Maybe he saw the news clip with her mom, & saw how distraught she was. & either believed her, or felt bad for her, or felt some level of guilt, for putting her in that position, in the 1st place. IDK, but her leaving made sense, but her going back, didn't. When she went back, there was no animosity from Ron, at all, so whatever went on during that few days, was resolved. MOO.

 

[bessie]

Now y'all are coming around to my way of thinking. I still maintain that Misty is responsible for Haleigh's death, but she convinced Ron that in some way, he was responsible. Whether she drugged Haleigh and told Ron she got into his stash, or struck her in a fit of rage and told Ron someone he owed money came to the house and hurt Haleigh or abducted her, I don't know. But I think she had Ron fooled for a long time. TN and GSS were suspicious, but went along with the story in the beginning to protect Ron, just in case Misty was telling the truth. Not to mention, CS's lawyer, KP, and her sidekick Cobra were snooping around. TN would've done anything to prevent them from finding grounds to take Jr. So she embraced Misty, staged a backyard wedding complete with an heirloom ring, and led Cobra on a goose chase deep into the woods hoping that something would either kill him, or scare the he!! out of him and send him packing. Once CPS cleared Ron in July, TN set out to trap Misty. But she faced two problems: lack of proof, and lack of cooperation from Ron. For all of his tough guy antics, Misty had him wrapped around her finger, aided by the narcotics that kept his head in a fog. Even after TN wrangled him away from Misty and the two divorced, Ron was right back on her tail as soon as she returned from Tennessee, although by then I'm sure he knew the truth. As for Tommy, he was another damn fool whose judgment was clouded by drugs. But whatever role he played, I don't think it was a primary one.

This has been my theory for a long time, and the longer Misty sits in prison and remains silent, the more convinced I am that it's true. But whether I'm right or wrong doesn't matter a whit. What's important is the life of a beautiful little girl who vanished without a trace two years ago. Misty will spend the best years of her life behind bars, but she'll never talk. Haleigh's mother will probably never know her fate, and her little brother will grow up wondering for the rest of his life what happened to his beloved big sister. Any time I start to feel sorry for Misty, I think about what Haleigh suffered, and what Jr will suffer for years and years to come.

 

[Chablis]

No way was Ronald a prisoner and drugged up because of Misty. He had been a drug addict getting busted with stuff when Misty was about 11 years old, people like Ronald dont stop doing drugs and get clean, and then are clear headed and sober when they decide to engage into a relationship with a 16 year old child. Ron lived in that area all his life and his roots run deep. Misty comes from a transient family with nothing, so Misty didn't just run into Ron, lure him into sex, and feed him drugs and get him hooked. If this was the case, why did Ronald opt to go to Prison and still not tell them what Misty did to HIS daughter? Was Misty so alluring and beautiful and hooked Ron so much he decided to love and protect Misty by keeping the secret about his daughter? No way is Ronald Cummings a victim here, no way. This is not some harlequin romance novel.

Both Ron and Misty know what happened to Haleigh, they are probably both culpable to a certain extent, be it, Ron told Misty to give Haleigh a blue pill to sleep and she gave her the wrong one and the child overdosed, or a physical fight between the two, I mean lets face it, Rons hands were tore up right after this, I have seen the pictures.

The secret is kept between just two people, and I bet only one knows after the fact, but you cant put a known druggie liar on the stand and not expect a defense lawyer to knock holes all over it, you need to present a slam dunk case, and when your main suspects refuse to talk to LE, and there is no physical evidence, its a hard position to be in. At least they got them in prison though, that is comforting.

 

[dodie20]

No way was Ronald a prisoner and drugged up because of Misty. He had been a drug addict getting busted with stuff when Misty was about 11 years old, people like Ronald dont stop doing drugs and get clean, and then are clear headed and sober when they decide to engage into a relationship with a 16 year old child. Ron lived in that area all his life and his roots run deep. Misty comes from a transient family with nothing, so Misty didn't just run into Ron, lure him into sex, and feed him drugs and get him hooked. If this was the case, why did Ronald opt to go to Prison and still not tell them what Misty did to HIS daughter? Was Misty so alluring and beautiful and hooked Ron so much he decided to love and protect Misty by keeping the secret about his daughter? No way is Ronald Cummings a victim here, no way. This is not some harlequin romance novel.

Both Ron and Misty know what happened to Haleigh, they are probably both culpable to a certain extent, be it, Ron told Misty to give Haleigh a blue pill to sleep and she gave her the wrong one and the child overdosed, or a physical fight between the two, I mean lets face it, Rons hands were tore up right after this, I have seen the pictures.

The secret is kept between just two people, and I bet only one knows after the fact, but you cant put a known druggie liar on the stand and not expect a defense lawyer to knock holes all over it, you need to present a slam dunk case, and when your main suspects refuse to talk to LE, and there is no physical evidence, its a hard position to be in. At least they got them in prison though, that is comforting.

I don't think Ron's a victim in this. no way. but I'm trying to figure out how he may not be guilty...since LE has essentially cleared him, with that deal. IMO, they think he's not guilty of murder, but knows something. & I've been leaning towrds him being up to his eyeballs with illegal activities, which resulted in Haleigh's abduction...or so he thought. maybe those activities played a part, maybe not. But, while he was scrambling, to cover his hide, maybe something else, (an unrelated incident), was going on. If he was fighting with Tommy & Joe over drugs & guns, & they were doublecrossing each other, I can see how he thought that was the reason. Say, Tommy, already ticked at Ron, got that phone call from him, so he took it upon himself, to drop by hoping, (knowing?), Misty was either gone, or crashing. He went to the trailer, but instead of banging & leaving, like he at 1st said, he went in, looking for drugs or guns. Maybe he'd been keeping an eye on Misty's & Haleigh's activities, & fueled by anger & drugs, used this opportunity, to follow through with a plan. Was Misty there? IDK, but I don't think she just handed Haleigh to him. If she was there, I think he forced her to help somehow, but if she wasn't there, I think she was on to him, pretty quick. maybe Tommy knew where she really was, & used that as a blackmail. I can't imagine what she could've been doing, that would buy her silence, but it's possible. Personally, I think she was gone, but either got back before he was done, or when she did get back, she figured him out....maybe she couldn't tell Ron, 'Tommy knows that when I ditch the kids, I leave the back door unlocked'. or 'the door was bricked, just like Tommy always does it, during burglaries'. I think she DID want to rat him out, because she tried, more than once, but family bonds are a powerful thing. I've tried to put myself in that position...when I was 16 years old, if my older brother had done something like that, I can't say for sure that I would've turned on him. It would've depended on if I had actually seen the crime, (it would be easy to live in denial), or if I had actually seen the dead child. because it would be easy to convince myself, that she had been abducted-especially, if my older brother was reinforcing that idea, & saying it was my fault for leaving her alone. Say, Misty got home, found Haleigh dead, called Tommy, & he said 'no, I wasn't there, but you're gonna get charged with murder, because you were in charge...but, I'll come & help you'. So, in this scenario, Ron thinks it's his fault, because his illegals had gone too far, Misty thinks it's her fault, because she left the kids & she helped with the disposal, & Tommy's pulling the strings. Anything's possible. MOO

 

[bessie]

No way was Ronald a prisoner and drugged up because of Misty. He had been a drug addict getting busted with stuff when Misty was about 11 years old, people like Ronald dont stop doing drugs and get clean, and then are clear headed and sober when they decide to engage into a relationship with a 16 year old child. Ron lived in that area all his life and his roots run deep. Misty comes from a transient family with nothing, so Misty didn't just run into Ron, lure him into sex, and feed him drugs and get him hooked. If this was the case, why did Ronald opt to go to Prison and still not tell them what Misty did to HIS daughter? Was Misty so alluring and beautiful and hooked Ron so much he decided to love and protect Misty by keeping the secret about his daughter? No way is Ronald Cummings a victim here, no way. This is not some harlequin romance novel.

Both Ron and Misty know what happened to Haleigh, they are probably both culpable to a certain extent, be it, Ron told Misty to give Haleigh a blue pill to sleep and she gave her the wrong one and the child overdosed, or a physical fight between the two, I mean lets face it, Rons hands were tore up right after this, I have seen the pictures.

The secret is kept between just two people, and I bet only one knows after the fact, but you cant put a known druggie liar on the stand and not expect a defense lawyer to knock holes all over it, you need to present a slam dunk case, and when your main suspects refuse to talk to LE, and there is no physical evidence, its a hard position to be in. At least they got them in prison though, that is comforting.

I should've been more clear. I don't believe Misty got Ron hooked on drugs. On the contrary, I think he did that all by himself long before Misty came along.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I should've been more clear. I don't believe Misty got Ron hooked on drugs. On the contrary, I think he did that all by himself long before Misty came along.

I still think that Ron knew exactly how Haleigh was killed, planned his "at work" alibi, and TN and GGMA helped him cover. ToC was probably involved somehow , and maybe JO (with the fight over the guns) and maybe even TiC. And Lindsey knows it all, and maybe even Chelsea. Wait... I named all of them didn't I? Anyway that's MOO. Just wish they were all locked up.:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar

 

[dodie20]

Tommy, according to Art, took the call from Ron, at his parent's house. Joe, according to Chelsea, was at her house, where Timmy was asleep, she was up doing paperwork...so, unless Chelsea is flat out lying, it looks like Tommy acted alone. no Joe. It's possible that they were all, including Misty, at the elder Croslin's house, but that would be such a bold lie, that surely cops would've been on to Chelsea from the get go. so, I have to assume that they were at her house, at least most of the night. After this happened, they were all so quick to point at Joe, I wonder why she didn't say he wasn't at her house, at all. But, she did, so she, Timmy, & Joe are accounted for, most of the night. Tommy, at some point, (after he changed the time that he went by Ron's), said that the murder/abduction, actually happened much earlier. (I think). This doesn't bode with his, Joe did it', story. because from what I can tell, there's no reason, whatsoever, for Chelsea to not admit that Joe was away from her house. quite the contrary...but she backed herself into a corner, with that early alibi. Now, late in the night, is a different story. They all might've gone to Ron's, to help Misty, but if they did, I think it was a rushed, last minute thing, because from what I'm seeing, if these people were involved, it was in the clean up of the house, so the cops wouldn't find the guns, drugs, whatever. I'm not sure how far Chelsea lived from Ron, but it's possible that Tommy, alone, sneaked her van out. & if she lived close to the elder Croslin's, he could've gotten it then. But, then again, that van may not have even played a part, except to transport drugs, guns... or the scratched van story, might've been Chelsea either trying to cast suspicion on Joe, or her just finding a way, to insert herself into the drama. In Misty's LVA, she talked an awful lot about Tommy's truck. Was she trying to throw Tommy under the bus, or was there something there? IDK, but none of Tommy's timeline, is fitting information, from the others. MOO.

 

[krkrjx]

What's most odd about the van being "implicated" is that it was not sold or traded in. With the number of vehicles that were traded or sold right after Haleigh's disappearance, I would have thought they would have rushed to get rid of the van if it was the vehicle used that night.

JMO.

 

[dodie20]

in a jail tape, I seem to remember Timmy saying that Chelsea had been cleared, but he had not...correct me if I'm wrong, because it's been a long time, but that has me thinking. If she was cleared through a poly, then cops can be sure that her early stories of her, Timmy, & Joe being in her house, are true. or maybe they cleared her, through interviews, IDK...but I'm sure they're using her story, as a base for the timeline. If it's been verified that Joe was with them, at least up til a certain point, then Tommy's 'Joe did it' story, would have to be tight. between such & such time & such & such time. After Tommy tried to change his time for going to Ron's, cops refused to budge, & said they were sticking with his original time...I guess because of his excuse for going at Ron's request, & the time of their call, backed up by phone records. Because if the murder happened earlier than that call, like he's now claiming, why in the world would he have lied about going there for Ron? he would've been busy, with the disposal, & not at his dad's, taking calls. & why embellish that lie by saying, Misty wasn't home? & that was almost positively a lie, because Ron, issued a statement through his lawyer, saying that he had NOT, asked Tommy to go to the trailer. which I found odd, because for Ron to go through his lawyer, he must've realized the significance. & Tommy immediately, backed off his claim. I wonder why. so, if he didn't go for Ron, then why did he go? I know he has changed his story, about why he was there, but cops are sticking to Ron's call time. I wonder why...it's almost as if they're disregarding the whole Joe thing. hmmm...

 

[txsvicki]

I'm still going with what Jr. had to say about a man dressed all in black with squeaky shoes taking Haleigh. Misty knew he was awake and up that night, but we don't know what Jr. had to say about her whereabouts. We also know that Tommy says he went over and knocked on the door. I still think they found Haleigh assaulted and deceased outside the trailer around the trail leading to the water, and they all, every one of them went into some cover up to protect their precious drugs and guns. I just wish we knew whether or not Jr. saw or heard any yelling, threats, arguments, Haleigh crying, or if she had went to bed normally. You'd think if he had heard much Crystal would have told some of the internet bloggers or media about it. IMO, someone snuck in quietly and took Haleigh, squeaking as they snuck across the kitchen floor, but the big question is where was Misty. Was she really in bed konked out, outside sitting in someone's vehicle by the dumpster, out running around getting drugs, or was she the man in black? I don't even know if any cadaver dogs were used outside to try and detect any odor of death.

 

[Baznme]

I'm still going with what Jr. had to say about a man dressed all in black with squeaky shoes taking Haleigh. Misty knew he was awake and up that night, but we don't know what Jr. had to say about her whereabouts. We also know that Tommy says he went over and knocked on the door. I still think they found Haleigh assaulted and deceased outside the trailer around the trail leading to the water, and they all, every one of them went into some cover up to protect their precious drugs and guns. I just wish we knew whether or not Jr. saw or heard any yelling, threats, arguments, Haleigh crying, or if she had went to bed normally. You'd think if he had heard much Crystal would have told some of the internet bloggers or media about it. IMO, someone snuck in quietly and took Haleigh, squeaking as they snuck across the kitchen floor, but the big question is where was Misty. Was she really in bed konked out, outside sitting in someone's vehicle by the dumpster, out running around getting drugs, or was she the man in black? I don't even know if any cadaver dogs were used outside to try and detect any odor of death.

As much as I agree with all your comments, there is still a very strong knawing at the pit of my stomach regarding Ron's seemingly lack of earnest interest at finding whoever "took" his daughter. As a matter of fact, all these comments and behaviors all add up to his knowledge of what happened to his daughter, as far as I'm concerned. You can't make this stuff up.

"I'd give my life to have my daughter's life back." "I came home this morning to find that I didn't have a child. Somebody stole my child."

There was no fight with no cousin over no gun.

"This is where she resided." (past tense)

I was at work, making an HONEST living.

On Wednesday, he said he was working on finding a new place to call home because the home where he lived with Haleigh is filled with too many happy memories.

"Do I think that`s where my daughter`s at? (answers own question) Probably."(referring to HaLeigh having been tossed in the river and eaten by gators...)

“I think they should have paid more attention to everyone rather than just me and Misty.”

Regarding the confusion of MC, Jr. and Haleigh sleeping in the same bed....."Ms. Nancy, I have no -- no answer for you. I don`t know how it was miscommunicated."


"I want my family to know I love them. I want my girlfriend to know I love her, my kids to know I love them, Haleigh to know I love her, and this is a setback in my life," said Cummings. "When I come out, it will remind me what I should be doing, not what I was doing, or accused of doing,"

On Christmas, 2009, GGS was interviewed and said that(paraphrasing) "Ronald needed to talk to HaLeigh, so he left the family gathering to do this."

"I'll always believe my daughter is alive until they find her".

"I kissed my daughter, went to work, trying to make an honest living, trying to make an honest wage. I came home eight hours later, and she was gone."

"It's just some wah wah story from the mother. I have custody because I'm the better parent, end of story."

From the Cobra tapes (can't believe no one had snagged this little jewel! LOL):
"I have a lot more knowledge than most mf`n fools."

"Don`t have a clue. I don`t mess with none of that, so I don`t know. I very rarely am in the back yard at all unless I`m washing my car. So it could have came from around my shed. I`m renting. I don`t know if the previous renters had it or what, but I`ve never seen it, I don`t believe"

"Here`s the problem. yall was having this fight…before the kid was missing." (RC in Cobra tape).

When I find out where Haleigh’s at, I will blow the teeth out of the back of her head, and then I’ll do this...

"I love her, look. I love her. love Misty."

"I love that son-of-a-b**** so she had an affair, ** it. a
good * and a half....."

27 days after his daughter disappeared, Ronald Cummings uttered the four most suspicious words of this case to the very person responsible for his daughter’s safety and well being on the night of February 9, 2009: "Will You Marry Me?"

Interview the morning of Feb 10. Ron on his knees,surrounded by media. His phone is clipped to his waist. It rings...three times iirc. The cameras close in on the phone. Ron doesn't budge.

That's not what happened...dope boys don't take/kill kids."

"hang up the **** phone, we got better people to talk to."

Ronald Cummings took Misty to the race tracks, the fair, and out to eat while his daughter was missing.

"if I find whoever has my daughter before you all do, I'm killing them...I don't care- I will spend the rest of my life in prison....you can put that on the recording...I don't care."

During rat (incident).......
Ron wanted to see how well Misty could lie to LE... as per RC & Cobra discussion.

When reporters remarked to Ron that his son was fine, Ron said, "Imagine that."

"There’s nothing. I do not do drugs."

The police have been telling me that I've been keeping Misty under my wing and that's why she hasn't talked to the cops," Ronald Cummings told a HLN's "Nancy Grace" producer earlier in October. "So now, here you go, I divorced her. So now go find my baby." (knowing full well they won't).

I'm going to prison, no 'ifs, ands, or buts,'" He said at the time of the arrest that he wasn't doing anything illegal.

Spoken to UC agent while doing dope deal:

"No dope boys took my daughter, they don't do that. That is not what happened....

"LE wanted to know what took me so long to get home." "I left work at such and such a time" "I drive like a Cracker". (???)

"I have NEVER seen any blocks on this property. I don't go outside in the yard but to wash my car. If I did see the block, it's not where it was".

"I put the lock on that door myself...up high...there is no way the kids could reach it." (appears to be normal height to me)

"They told me I passed mine. passed with 'Flying Colors'. She passed hers too".

Regarding marriage to misty:
"It is what Haleigh would've wanted". (past tense)

According to GF/s, whenever ron and she would cross over the Dunn's Creek Bridge, he would say that is the perfect place to throw a body..it would never be found.

"It's nobody's business what I do in my personal life. I go to work, I support my family." He said this to Meredith Vieira the day after he married Misty. Haleigh had been missing over a month and RC hadn't worked at all during that time! (13 March 2009)

"She was the most well-behaved child I ever had" (past tense)

RC to Geraldo: "Never, ever have I ever hit my child. Me and my child have an agreement. Daddy. Daughter. She has been spanked on her behind the way DCF says that you can take care of disciplining your children."

Nancy Grace (if not THE last interview), when asked, "What does she tell you Ronald?" Ron replied that Misty really hadn't told him anything, that they really don't discuss it. [/I]

 

[dodie20]

Ron has lied, covered his hide, & put a spin on it, that's for sure, & he was the source of a lot of changed stories-not Misty-& he most definitely hindered this investigation, & I think he's right where he needs to be...but, LE has a lot more information than we do, & it seems they've cleared him of the murder. maybe he had other reasons to stonewall this investigation. I thought at 1st, he was covering for himself, but then I thought maybe he was covering for Misty. I'm pretty certain he wouldn't cover for Tommy. maybe he thought he was covering for Misty, but was actually covering for Misty who was covering for Tommy. It seems logical that Misty & Tommy were both involved, but how far would Ron go, to protect that girl? I still think it's possible that he helped in some kind of clean up, & I haven't fogotten Flo saying she'd heard that Misty hit Haleigh with a board. That story actually had a ring of truth. But, if that's what happened, what in the world, motivated Tommy, to blame Joe? with such a despicable story? why not just say that Joe hit her with a board? Also, I may be wrong here, but I don't think Tommy cares enough about Misty, to go through what he has been put through. Misty had just turned 17, & no judge or jury, would've been too hard on her-not, considering the circumstances. because when it's all said & done, she shouldn't have been there. That's on Ron. Why would Tommy willingly sit in the pen, for 15 years, lose his wife & kids, & his life as he knows it, when he could just tell the truth? Misty's in prison anyway. Him being in prison, or not being in prison, doesn't affect her, one way or the other. But...Misty telling the truth, (assuming Tommy's the perp), does affect him, because he's been threatened with the death penalty, according to his lawyer. Would Misty protect Tommy? I think so, but IDK. Logic says they're protecting themselves, but I can't think of a feasible explanation, where they'd both be perps. The thing that stumps me about Ron, is the whole bus stop thing. He claims he picked Haileigh up... witnesses saw Misty pick her up. I think the witnesses are telling the truth, mainly because this bunch lies about everything. But why would Ron lie about that? Who would that lie protect? himself? Misty? I don't get it.

 

[Chablis]

Ron has lied, covered his hide, & put a spin on it, that's for sure, & he was the source of a lot of changed stories-not Misty-& he most definitely hindered this investigation, & I think he's right where he needs to be...but, LE has a lot more information than we do, & it seems they've cleared him of the murder.

Using logic, knowing that the body of Haleigh has never been found, and the cops have said to the public that they dont know what time or where or when this all happened, how can anyone be cleared? I understand Crystal Sheffield being cleared because she really was hours away during the time period in question, but logic says, even if Ron was at work, he could still play a part in what happened, he had access to the child, he could have hit her before work, he could have told Misty to feed her a pill, all while being at work. I dont have a lot of faith in the LE down there, but I think logic says, he cannot be cleared, and he was targeted just as much as Misty in these drug stings, so I really dont think that can be overlooked, and like you said, they know more than us, which leads me to believe they know way more about Ron Cummings, so much so they have him behind bars for at least decade.

 

[Emeralgem]

Ron has lied, covered his hide, & put a spin on it, that's for sure, & he was the source of a lot of changed stories-not Misty-& he most definitely hindered this investigation, & I think he's right where he needs to be...but, LE has a lot more information than we do, & it seems they've cleared him of the murder. maybe he had other reasons to stonewall this investigation. I thought at 1st, he was covering for himself, but then I thought maybe he was covering for Misty. I'm pretty certain he wouldn't cover for Tommy. maybe he thought he was covering for Misty, but was actually covering for Misty who was covering for Tommy. It seems logical that Misty & Tommy were both involved, but how far would Ron go, to protect that girl? I still think it's possible that he helped in some kind of clean up, & I haven't fogotten Flo saying she'd heard that Misty hit Haleigh with a board. That story actually had a ring of truth. But, if that's what happened, what in the world, motivated Tommy, to blame Joe? with such a despicable story? why not just say that Joe hit her with a board? Also, I may be wrong here, but I don't think Tommy cares enough about Misty, to go through what he has been put through. Misty had just turned 17, & no judge or jury, would've been too hard on her-not, considering the circumstances. because when it's all said & done, she shouldn't have been there. That's on Ron. Why would Tommy willingly sit in the pen, for 15 years, lose his wife & kids, & his life as he knows it, when he could just tell the truth? Misty's in prison anyway. Him being in prison, or not being in prison, doesn't affect her, one way or the other. But...Misty telling the truth, (assuming Tommy's the perp), does affect him, because he's been threatened with the death penalty, according to his lawyer. Would Misty protect Tommy? I think so, but IDK. Logic says they're protecting themselves, but I can't think of a feasible explanation, where they'd both be perps. The thing that stumps me about Ron, is the whole bus stop thing. He claims he picked Haileigh up... witnesses saw Misty pick her up. I think the witnesses are telling the truth, mainly because this bunch lies about everything. But why would Ron lie about that? Who would that lie protect? himself? Misty? I don't get it.

Looking back IF you think about it Ron C has never done anything to really protect Misty, ONLY himself. All of his actions have proven to be self serving.. And I suspect he lied about picking up Haleigh because he needed for the world to believe he was just a "hard working-great dad" who could/ would never put his children in harms way.
It was also most imperative for him and his family to attempt to prove he and Misty were the perect little couple and their main concern was Haleigh and Jr. However they left themselves an out in order to set her/Tommy up IF things didn't pan out favorably for Ronald Cummings to be nominated as being the BESTEST FATHER EVER.

In reference to your comments as to WHY Tommy hasn't told the truth, I suspect Tommy allowed himself to be conned into helping out that night and that is WHY Tommy also attempted to implicate Jo rather than himself.
In regards to Misty she has never really protected Tommy.Look at all the times she has thrown him under the bus. Only people I have ever seen Misty protect is Timmy, Ronald Cummings and members of Ron C's family.

 

[krkrjx]

Ron has lied, covered his hide, & put a spin on it, that's for sure, & he was the source of a lot of changed stories-not Misty-& he most definitely hindered this investigation, & I think he's right where he needs to be...but, LE has a lot more information than we do, & it seems they've cleared him of the murder. maybe he had other reasons to stonewall this investigation. I thought at 1st, he was covering for himself, but then I thought maybe he was covering for Misty. I'm pretty certain he wouldn't cover for Tommy. maybe he thought he was covering for Misty, but was actually covering for Misty who was covering for Tommy. It seems logical that Misty & Tommy were both involved, but how far would Ron go, to protect that girl? I still think it's possible that he helped in some kind of clean up, & I haven't fogotten Flo saying she'd heard that Misty hit Haleigh with a board. That story actually had a ring of truth. But, if that's what happened, what in the world, motivated Tommy, to blame Joe? with such a despicable story? why not just say that Joe hit her with a board? Also, I may be wrong here, but I don't think Tommy cares enough about Misty, to go through what he has been put through. Misty had just turned 17, & no judge or jury, would've been too hard on her-not, considering the circumstances. because when it's all said & done, she shouldn't have been there. That's on Ron. Why would Tommy willingly sit in the pen, for 15 years, lose his wife & kids, & his life as he knows it, when he could just tell the truth? Misty's in prison anyway. Him being in prison, or not being in prison, doesn't affect her, one way or the other. But...Misty telling the truth, (assuming Tommy's the perp), does affect him, because he's been threatened with the death penalty, according to his lawyer. Would Misty protect Tommy? I think so, but IDK. Logic says they're protecting themselves, but I can't think of a feasible explanation, where they'd both be perps. The thing that stumps me about Ron, is the whole bus stop thing. He claims he picked Haileigh up... witnesses saw Misty pick her up. I think the witnesses are telling the truth, mainly because this bunch lies about everything. But why would Ron lie about that? Who would that lie protect? himself? Misty? I don't get it.

BBM

I do not think Tommy was willing to sit in prison for 15 years.

I think Tommy was sure he would get the minimum mandatory for his charge, and that was 3 years. His attorney, after the sentencing, commented he had expected Tommy to get around 5 years and I believe he deduced that based on Tommy's score sheet. Tommy, Lindsy, and Tommy's attorney all expected him to get a light sentence and all were floored when the judge passed sentence of 15 years.

 

[krkrjx]

Using logic, knowing that the body of Haleigh has never been found, and the cops have said to the public that they dont know what time or where or when this all happened, how can anyone be cleared? I understand Crystal Sheffield being cleared because she really was hours away during the time period in question, but logic says, even if Ron was at work, he could still play a part in what happened, he had access to the child, he could have hit her before work, he could have told Misty to feed her a pill, all while being at work. I dont have a lot of faith in the LE down there, but I think logic says, he cannot be cleared, and he was targeted just as much as Misty in these drug stings, so I really dont think that can be overlooked, and like you said, they know more than us, which leads me to believe they know way more about Ron Cummings, so much so they have him behind bars for at least decade.

BBM

This is very telling, IMO. Why is Ron behind bars for at least a decade? There was certainly plenty of opportunity for authorities to let him go free if they wanted to. He had two charges dropped but they could just as easily have dropped all his charges, or drastically reduced them. But they didn't. And then recently he filed a motion to have his sentence nullified. Seems to me if they really didn't want him in prison, they would have ruled in his favor, citing some techinicality that they would simply refuse to explain to the citizens of Florida and the public in general. It looks to me as though there have been numerous opportunities for Ronald Cummings to have been freed of all his legal woes, yet he sits in prison with two 15 year sentences and one 7 year sentence. This speaks volumes, IMO.

I agree LE and/or the SA do not see Ron as innocent regarding Haleigh because if this was only about drugs, the charges would have been reduced or dropped; it's done all the time and has actually been done for Ron many times in the past. Why not this time?

 

[4Jacy]

I still believe TC and the LE have been mixed up in some pretty shady stuff over the years (Merchant?) and they (LE) cannot have this case solved. Call me crazy, but WHY WOULDN'T THEY LET THE FBI IN ON THE CASE?

Let's see:

1. Call in the extremely well trained FBI

OR

2. Let the LE, who screwed up the investigation from the very beginning, (do I see shades of JonBenet Ramsey,) sit around and twittle their very dirty thumbs?