General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[Nonni Brenda]

sorry...lol. my brain hurts too. The problem is even though very little information has been released, there's still a lot of information, & we keep going round & round with it. information that may not even be important...ughhh. When this thing is finally solved, I expect to say, 'well if LE had released THAT particular tidbit, I never would've suspected so & so or so & so. & it'll all fall into place & make sense. I sure would like to see those phone records, the pings, & the text transcripts. That alone, could elliminate most everybody! & I'd like to know Ron's actual work hours. Surely, LE has phone & work records. but early on, I do remember them saying they were having technology problems. Now, there's a scary thought. no phone or work records. Considering that this bunch got locked up for trafficking, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they had all been trafficking, before Haleigh went missing. If that's true, it might explain why LE labeled Misty the ringleader, & LC's attitude. She really got on to Tommy for not listening to her about going with Misty. Also, HC had the same attitude, & who can forget TN's, 'Misty dragged his butt into this'. & I'm not sure when LE claims to have missed Tommy's earlier stash...could that have been before, Haleigh went missing? Anyway, if they were dealing, & it led up to Haleigh's disappearance, then they were probably scared straight...for a little while. But like all druggies, that feeling didn't last long, & it was back to business. MOO.

You've raised some really valid points. The one thing that my mind keeps turning over is why TN seemed to do so many suspicious things. She was there absolutely too soon, with a framed pic of Haleigh; she couldn't say enough good things about Misty, then did such a complete turnaround. And just where did she live at the time? Why did she wear that sheriff jacket the night Haleigh went missing? And let's not forget the Cobra/hogpen incident...Geeze! She has to be involved somehow. And did she offer to pay Misty to babysit, or visa versa????:waitasec: I hope someday we know. Poor Haleigh and Crystal and Jr. and all those who love Haleigh.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Darn it!!!! I want some answers!

 

[Boytwnmom]

is in it up to his neck. Nothing else explains his behavior, his "acting", controlling Misty during interviews, accepting her promiscuous weekend. I still don't know, obviously, exactly what happened but it involved Ron enough that he can't pin the blame on anyone else or else he would because with him it is always somone else's fault.

No way was he controlled by Misty. I saw how he manuevered Crystal during the custody proceedings. He knows how to work the system. All of these people are criminals and addicts. None have any conscience from Annette and Teresa to the Croslins and cousin Joe. These people spend their lives lying to law enforcement and trying to get away with crimes petty and serious. I'm sure they "loved" Haleigh but it was not mature, parental love, it was shallow, gotta save myself, superficial love. In my mind they are all guilty. Haleigh never had a chance.

No way was Ronald a prisoner and drugged up because of Misty. He had been a drug addict getting busted with stuff when Misty was about 11 years old, people like Ronald dont stop doing drugs and get clean, and then are clear headed and sober when they decide to engage into a relationship with a 16 year old child. Ron lived in that area all his life and his roots run deep. Misty comes from a transient family with nothing, so Misty didn't just run into Ron, lure him into sex, and feed him drugs and get him hooked. If this was the case, why did Ronald opt to go to Prison and still not tell them what Misty did to HIS daughter? Was Misty so alluring and beautiful and hooked Ron so much he decided to love and protect Misty by keeping the secret about his daughter? No way is Ronald Cummings a victim here, no way. This is not some harlequin romance novel.

Both Ron and Misty know what happened to Haleigh, they are probably both culpable to a certain extent, be it, Ron told Misty to give Haleigh a blue pill to sleep and she gave her the wrong one and the child overdosed, or a physical fight between the two, I mean lets face it, Rons hands were tore up right after this, I have seen the pictures.

The secret is kept between just two people, and I bet only one knows after the fact, but you cant put a known druggie liar on the stand and not expect a defense lawyer to knock holes all over it, you need to present a slam dunk case, and when your main suspects refuse to talk to LE, and there is no physical evidence, its a hard position to be in. At least they got them in prison though, that is comforting.

 

[Baznme]

You've raised some really valid points. The one thing that my mind keeps turning over is why TN seemed to do so many suspicious things. She was there absolutely too soon, with a framed pic of Haleigh; she couldn't say enough good things about Misty, then did such a complete turnaround. And just where did she live at the time? Why did she wear that sheriff jacket the night Haleigh went missing? And let's not forget the Cobra/hogpen incident...Geeze! She has to be involved somehow. And did she offer to pay Misty to babysit, or visa versa????:waitasec: I hope someday we know. Poor Haleigh and Crystal and Jr. and all those who love Haleigh.

The tears flowed the day of the 2 yr. anniversary from TN. She reads the poem from RC and professes how he thinks about his Haleigh each and every day. She cries because she knows there's no hope of Haleigh coming back. The tears are pouring and she's still uttering "please just bring her home". Sounds like a broken record. I don't know.......I just wish for Haleigh's sake someone actually would come forward and speak for this little girl. He cries because he knows what happened and he's in jail. His latest antic filing the paperwork with the courts tells me that the walls are beginning to close in. I hope so. I really really do. I hope they get so tight they squeeze the truth right out of you.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

is in it up to his neck. Nothing else explains his behavior, his "acting", controlling Misty during interviews, accepting her promiscuous weekend. I still don't know, obviously, exactly what happened but it involved Ron enough that he can't pin the blame on anyone else or else he would because with him it is always somone else's fault.

No way was he controlled by Misty. I saw how he manuevered Crystal during the custody proceedings. He knows how to work the system. All of these people are criminals and addicts. None have any conscience from Annette and Teresa to the Croslins and cousin Joe. These people spend their lives lying to law enforcement and trying to get away with crimes petty and serious. I'm sure they "loved" Haleigh but it was not mature, parental love, it was shallow, gotta save myself, superficial love. In my mind they are all guilty. Haleigh never had a chance.

Boytwnmom, I think you are 100% right! Up to his scrawny little neck! How can he live with himself! And Halleigh's grandma...guilty as sin! This is of course just my opinion, but for me, the evidence points this way.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

The tears flowed the day of the 2 yr. anniversary from TN. She reads the poem from RC and professes how he thinks about his Haleigh each and every day. She cries because she knows there's no hope of Haleigh coming back. The tears are pouring and she's still uttering "please just bring her home". Sounds like a broken record. I don't know.......I just wish for Haleigh's sake someone actually would come forward and speak for this little girl. He cries because he knows what happened and he's in jail. His latest antic filing the paperwork with the courts tells me that the walls are beginning to close in. I hope so. I really really do. I hope they get so tight they squeeze the truth right out of you.

Their acting is :croc:

 

[dodie20]

What gets me about these people, is how they still supported Misty after her failed LDTs. Please...give people credit, for having a little bit of sense. If I was in that situation, sorry, but Misty would've been out the door, with me chasing her with a machete. But, they made excuses for her. She wasn't TN's kid, heck they barely knew each other, so there was NO reason, (not love, not a bond), to live in denial. The only reason I can think of, is loyalty. They owed her something. MOO.

 

[dodie20]

a few of the babysitting stories that have popped up...Misty didn't want to babysit. Misty offered to pay TN. TN offered to pay Misty. Ron & Misty fought because she wanted to babysit her brother's kids. A lie test giver, the LVA GUY?, asked Misty if the kids left with her brother. I do remember Misty saying in a jail tape, that she didn't want to babysit.

 

[Lanie]

IMO, Misty is no less a sociopath than Casey Anthony. After all I've learned about Misty and her family, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out Misty was born with fetal alcohol syndrome and/or addicted to drugs.

IMO, Misty's 3 day binge with another man directly contradicts any theories Misty is Ron's brainwashed little puppet who would sit in prison for the next 25 years before she turned on him.

There is an article somewhere stating there is video tape showing Ron at work. TMK, there is no evidence Ron beat up his children, and TMK there is no evidence anyone who crossed paths with Haleigh on her last day noticed any out of ordinary behavior. IMO, had Ron abused Haleigh badly enough for her to later die of her injuries, at minimum Haleigh would have shown some sign of at least emotional trauma from having her Daddy beating up on her, so for me, that is ruled out.

IMO, Misty was angry because she was being a good little sociopath and being everything Ron wanted her to be, and he still beat her up when she told him she was pregnant. She comes back after the 3 day binge, and it still isn't all about her. She didn't want to babysit, and she couldn't get out of if. IMO, it wouldn't have taken much on Haleigh's part to anger Misty enough for her to lash out. IDK if Misty had help or not, but IMO she was more than capable of killing Haleigh and disposing of her all by herself.

Ron not having the opportunity to be involved in whatever happened to Haleigh to cause her to be missing for 2 years now does not automatically make him a great, loving, attentive father of the year figure. No, IMO, Ron is still the same he was before Haleigh disappeared. IMO, Ron getting custody of Haleigh and Jr. was more about hurting Crystal than it was about actually wanting the kids. I do believe Ron loved Haleigh, but not in the same way 'good' fathers love their children. IOW, Ron is no Marc Klaas, he never has been and he never will be, so I for one have no expectations for Ron to suddenly be willing to sacrifice himself to help or save his daughter. FGS, this is a man who was running late to pick up his son because he was making a drug deal. This is a little boy who less than a year earlier lost his big sissy and should have had his father making him a priority, but no, even after what happened to Haleigh, Ron is still putting himself before his children.

I don't believe LE is involved in a coverup. IMO, I imagine LE was just as shocked they couldn't put Ron in this as I was. I also don't think LE not finding Haleigh or making an arrest makes them complicit. All they have TMK is Misty was the last known person to see Haleigh, and her lame story of what happened. Misty is currently right where LE wants her, in prison, and she will be for the next 25 years. Hopefully they will find what they need to charge her with Haleigh's murder before that 25 years is up.

All the above is MOO.

 

[titanfan62702]

What's most odd about the van being "implicated" is that it was not sold or traded in. With the number of vehicles that were traded or sold right after Haleigh's disappearance, I would have thought they would have rushed to get rid of the van if it was the vehicle used that night.

JMO.

ITA. I don't believe THE VAN was in any way connected with what happened that night. It just doesn't make sense to get a vehicle from that far away.

 

[titanfan62702]

You've raised some really valid points. The one thing that my mind keeps turning over is why TN seemed to do so many suspicious things. She was there absolutely too soon, with a framed pic of Haleigh; she couldn't say enough good things about Misty, then did such a complete turnaround. And just where did she live at the time? Why did she wear that sheriff jacket the night Haleigh went missing? And let's not forget the Cobra/hogpen incident...Geeze! She has to be involved somehow. And did she offer to pay Misty to babysit, or visa versa????:waitasec: I hope someday we know. Poor Haleigh and Crystal and Jr. and all those who love Haleigh.

I wish someone would remind TN that Misty was the best girlfriend that Ron ever had and that HaLeigh wanted them to get married.

 

[titanfan62702]

The tears flowed the day of the 2 yr. anniversary from TN. She reads the poem from RC and professes how he thinks about his Haleigh each and every day. She cries because she knows there's no hope of Haleigh coming back. The tears are pouring and she's still uttering "please just bring her home". Sounds like a broken record. I don't know.......I just wish for Haleigh's sake someone actually would come forward and speak for this little girl. He cries because he knows what happened and he's in jail. His latest antic filing the paperwork with the courts tells me that the walls are beginning to close in. I hope so. I really really do. I hope they get so tight they squeeze the truth right out of you.

Why was it so necessary to make the vigil so much about how much Ron loved HaLeigh?

 

[Chablis]

Why was it so necessary to make the vigil so much about how much Ron loved HaLeigh?

He loved Haleigh so much even if a miracle happened and she came home alive, he will not be in her life to raise her. Why would the cops do that to Ronald Cummings after all their history with him, his record wasnt too bad, he could have gotten these charges to go poof, but I guess its a whole other animal when a missing child is involved. Everyone involved one way or another in Haleighs demise is in prison, its obvious.

 

[Emeralgem]

Why was it so necessary to make the vigil so much about how much Ron loved HaLeigh?

IMO Just another ploy to deflect from the truth as to what really happened. A futile attempt on their part to convince the masses Ron couldn't have ever harmed Haleigh..IMO It ain't working, never has worked. They need to tell the truth.
GGMS, herself, stated whoever knows what happened needs to grow a conscience.. IMO Great advice.. Hopefully, she'll take her own advice.JMHO

 

[4Jacy]

You've raised some really valid points. The one thing that my mind keeps turning over is why TN seemed to do so many suspicious things. She was there absolutely too soon, with a framed pic of Haleigh; she couldn't say enough good things about Misty, then did such a complete turnaround. And just where did she live at the time? Why did she wear that sheriff jacket the night Haleigh went missing? And let's not forget the Cobra/hogpen incident...Geeze! She has to be involved somehow. And did she offer to pay Misty to babysit, or visa versa????:waitasec: I hope someday we know. Poor Haleigh and Crystal and Jr. and all those who love Haleigh.

NB, yes TN was there too soon, and her comments about Misty, et al.

TN's "arrival" was nothing short then a very poor "performance." The diamond (doubt) necklace, the jacket (when she no longer worked there, but the best (or worst) was that giant picture of Haleigh.

OK, she may have gone to bed wearing the necklace (ouch,) but who would take time to put on a jacket and grab a pic. I'd be out that door not even aware if what I had on. Way over the top TN, way too much over kill.

However, I just remembered high IQ's run rampart in that family and they probably believed us all to be suckers.

 

[krkrjx]

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...TMK, there is no evidence Ron beat up his children, and TMK there is no evidence anyone who crossed paths with Haleigh on her last day noticed any out of ordinary behavior. IMO, had Ron abused Haleigh badly enough for her to later die of her injuries, at minimum Haleigh would have shown some sign of at least emotional trauma from having her Daddy beating up on her, so for me, that is ruled out.

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You raise many valid points in your post but I want to address the part I have quoted.

Many people have ruled this out for the very reason you have. Unfortunately, it appears as though LE may also have ruled it out as well, and IMO it was a huge mistake for them to do so.

I know of a young child who fell off a chair at around 9:30 AM. After his fall, he cried a little but shortly after, resumed playing. His mom checked him over and found no obvious injuries. At noon the boy ate lunch. He laid down for a nap shortly before 1 PM. He never woke up.

Autopsy showed the child had suffered a head injury that caused a slow bleed in his brain. It had not affected his behavior in any way; he was laughing and playing shortly after impact and ate a full lunch and never complained of a headache or of not feeling well.

Maybe post-injuiry complication is not what happened to Haleigh, but someone on casual glance observing no signs of physical trauma is just not enough to rule it out.

 

[Baznme]

Lanie, while I respect your opinion and I get it you are addressing TMK, it's posted in the public forum and so.......I feel I have to respond in the following ways. My responses, point by point, in red.

IMO, Misty is no less a sociopath than Casey Anthony. After all I've learned about Misty and her family, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out Misty was born with fetal alcohol syndrome and/or addicted to drugs. Either way, it makes no difference.
She knows the difference between right and wrong.

IMO, Misty's 3 day binge with another man directly contradicts any theories Misty is Ron's brainwashed little puppet who would sit in prison for the next 25years before she turned on him. Please remember her statement to her mother in jail regarding RC. "But, I still love him mama".

There is an article somewhere stating there is video tape showing Ron at work. No one ever said he wasn't there. The question is: when was he there?

TMK, there is no evidence Ron beat up his children, I think the fact that DCF was called into this family in the past speaks to this issue. They don't just drop in to be social.and TMK there is no evidence anyone who crossed paths with Haleigh on her last day noticed any out of ordinary behavior. She disappeared. I wouldn't call that "ordinary".

IMO, had Ron abused Haleigh badly enough for her to later die of her injuries, at minimum Haleigh would have shown some sign of at least emotional trauma from having her Daddy beating up on her, so for me, that is ruled out. I don't think anyone thinks that. I think most believe it was drug related but we also don't know what happened after she got off the school bus that day since no one can seem to agree as to who picked her up.

IMO, Misty was angry because she was being a good little sociopath and being everything Ron wanted her to be, and he still beat her up when she told him she was pregnant. She comes back after the 3 day binge, and it still isn't all about her. She didn't want to babysit, and she couldn't get out of if. IMO, it wouldn't have taken much on Haleigh's part to anger Misty enough for her to lash out. IDK if Misty had help or not, but IMO she was more than capable of killing Haleigh and disposing of her all by herself. If this were the case, TN and the Cummings would not have been so supportive to her. Lest we not forget, there was a diamond ring, a proposal (public, I might add) and a wedding ceremony within 3 weeks of Haleigh's disappearance. It's what Haleigh would have wanted? Underlined to accentuate that it's used in the "past tense". Pshaw......it's what Misty wanted. Marriage to RC and a baby of her own. That was the bargain IMO.

Ron not having the opportunity to be involved in whatever happened to Haleigh to cause her to be missing for 2 years now does not automatically make him a great, loving, attentive father of the year figure. No, IMO, Ron is still the same he was before Haleigh disappeared. IMO, Ron getting custody of Haleigh and Jr. was more about hurting Crystal than it was about actually wanting the kids. I do believe Ron loved Haleigh, but not in the same way 'good' fathers love their children. IOW, Ron is no Marc Klaas, he never has been and he never will be, so I for one have no expectations for Ron to suddenly be willing to sacrifice himself to help or save his daughter. FGS, this is a man who was running late to pick up his son because he was making a drug deal. This is a little boy who less than a year earlier lost his big sissy and should have had his father making him a priority, but no, even after what happened to Haleigh, Ron is still putting himself before his children. Yes, he is.....which is why I think the walls are closing in on him.

I don't believe LE is involved in a coverup. I don't believe that either. Although they have her in prison, I am fairly sure that they would love nothing better than to actually solve Haleigh's case.

IMO, I imagine LE was just as shocked they couldn't put Ron in this as I was. I agree but this case isn't over. The end result remains to be seen. I also don't think LE not finding Haleigh or making an arrest makes them complicit. All they have TMK is Misty was the last known person to see Haleigh, and her lame story of what happened. Misty is currently right where LE wants her, in prison, and she will be for the next 25 years. Hopefully they will find what they need to charge her with Haleigh's murder before that 25 years is up.

All the above is MOO.

All the above in red is also just MOO.

 

[Emeralgem]

NB, yes TN was there too soon, and her comments about Misty, et al.

TN's "arrival" was nothing short then a very poor "performance." The diamond (doubt) necklace, the jacket (when she no longer worked there, but the best (or worst) was that giant picture of Haleigh.

OK, she may have gone to bed wearing the necklace (ouch,) but who would take time to put on a jacket and grab a pic. I'd be out that door not even aware if what I had on. Way over the top TN, way too much over kill.

However, I just remembered high IQ's run rampart in that family and they probably believed us all to be suckers.

I'm going with their delusional minds thinking ALL of us were/are just stupid fools.

 

[Lanie]

You raise many valid points in your post but I want to address the part I have quoted.

Many people have ruled this out for the very reason you have. Unfortunately, it appears as though LE may also have ruled it out as well, and IMO it was a huge mistake for them to do so.

I know of a young child who fell off a chair at around 9:30 AM. After his fall, he cried a little but shortly after, resumed playing. His mom checked him over and found no obvious injuries. At noon the boy ate lunch. He laid down for a nap shortly before 1 PM. He never woke up.

Autopsy showed the child had suffered a head injury that caused a slow bleed in his brain. It had not affected his behavior in any way; he was laughing and playing shortly after impact and ate a full lunch and never complained of a headache or of not feeling well.

Maybe post-injuiry complication is not what happened to Haleigh, but someone on casual glance observing no signs of physical trauma is just not enough to rule it out.

I guess I didn't get my point across well, so let me try another way.

I can see, agree, and understand how the above story you told could happen. What I was referring to was emotional symptoms, not physiological symptoms.

Using the story above, the small child fell from his chair, cried a little, then resumed playing. This was an accident. If there had been no fall from a chair, but say he had been playing in the kitchen and his mother got angry and slammed his head into the floor, do you think this child would have simply cried a little and then resumed playing? I don't. IMO, this child would have cried for quite a while in fear of his mother, and IMO, he would have displayed other symptoms, maybe some skittishness or being more subdued and unhappy than normal. There could have been completely different symptoms than what I listed, but I just don't think after being attacked by a parent a kid is going to bounce back and be his normal self within a short period of time.

To go back to what I originally said, TMK there has been no evidence Haleigh showed any signs of being an abused or battered child. If Ron hit Haleigh, I don't see why she would be okay with it and go on with life as usual. She was at school that day, and even if she wasn't showing blatant symptoms of being assaulted by her father, I think she would have had at least slight behavior differences, which might not have stood out until she went missing, and people who had contact with her go back over the day and look for things. I have not heard from one person who has said Haleigh was acting in any way odd that day.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

NB, yes TN was there too soon, and her comments about Misty, et al.

TN's "arrival" was nothing short then a very poor "performance." The diamond (doubt) necklace, the jacket (when she no longer worked there, but the best (or worst) was that giant picture of Haleigh.

OK, she may have gone to bed wearing the necklace (ouch,) but who would take time to put on a jacket and grab a pic. I'd be out that door not even aware if what I had on. Way over the top TN, way too much over kill.

However, I just remembered high IQ's run rampart in that family and they probably believed us all to be suckers.

bbm Oh 4, That's funny. I had forgotten about their high IQ"s.