General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[dodie20]

IMO, Misty is no less a sociopath than Casey Anthony. After all I've learned about Misty and her family, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out Misty was born with fetal alcohol syndrome and/or addicted to drugs.

IMO, Misty's 3 day binge with another man directly contradicts any theories Misty is Ron's brainwashed little puppet who would sit in prison for the next 25 years before she turned on him.

There is an article somewhere stating there is video tape showing Ron at work. TMK, there is no evidence Ron beat up his children, and TMK there is no evidence anyone who crossed paths with Haleigh on her last day noticed any out of ordinary behavior. IMO, had Ron abused Haleigh badly enough for her to later die of her injuries, at minimum Haleigh would have shown some sign of at least emotional trauma from having her Daddy beating up on her, so for me, that is ruled out.

IMO, Misty was angry because she was being a good little sociopath and being everything Ron wanted her to be, and he still beat her up when she told him she was pregnant. She comes back after the 3 day binge, and it still isn't all about her. She didn't want to babysit, and she couldn't get out of if. IMO, it wouldn't have taken much on Haleigh's part to anger Misty enough for her to lash out. IDK if Misty had help or not, but IMO she was more than capable of killing Haleigh and disposing of her all by herself.

Ron not having the opportunity to be involved in whatever happened to Haleigh to cause her to be missing for 2 years now does not automatically make him a great, loving, attentive father of the year figure. No, IMO, Ron is still the same he was before Haleigh disappeared. IMO, Ron getting custody of Haleigh and Jr. was more about hurting Crystal than it was about actually wanting the kids. I do believe Ron loved Haleigh, but not in the same way 'good' fathers love their children. IOW, Ron is no Marc Klaas, he never has been and he never will be, so I for one have no expectations for Ron to suddenly be willing to sacrifice himself to help or save his daughter. FGS, this is a man who was running late to pick up his son because he was making a drug deal. This is a little boy who less than a year earlier lost his big sissy and should have had his father making him a priority, but no, even after what happened to Haleigh, Ron is still putting himself before his children.

I don't believe LE is involved in a coverup. IMO, I imagine LE was just as shocked they couldn't put Ron in this as I was. I also don't think LE not finding Haleigh or making an arrest makes them complicit. All they have TMK is Misty was the last known person to see Haleigh, and her lame story of what happened. Misty is currently right where LE wants her, in prison, and she will be for the next 25 years. Hopefully they will find what they need to charge her with Haleigh's murder before that 25 years is up.

All the above is MOO.

Those weren't Misty's kids, so I wouldn't expect any kind of maternal bond. They were Ron's kids, & IMO, he's the one who's like Casey Anthony. He knew Misty wasn't fit to babysit a dog, but he wanted her in the house, so he left his kids with her. She was there for him, & if busy babysitting, he could keep tabs on her. So, IMO, he used his little kids, to keep Misty from running the roads. I don't think Misty, was any more capable of murdering Haleigh & going about a cold blooded disposal, alone, than Ron was. I just don't see it. She had just turned 17 years old...also, who's to say that Misty is the only one who might've been born into alcohol syndrome or addiction? & the same lack of abuse proof, that 'clears' Ron, is the same lack of abuse proof, that 'clears' Misty. Nobody had anything but good things to say about her relationship with the kids. Personally. I found all of that gushing, hard to believe, but I don't think Misty was mean to the kids. I believed AS when she said the kids cried to be with her, & I believed Misty was the one, who massaged Haleigh's night cramps. But, I did find it strange, that the kids would cry for her...if they had been happy, where they were, & who they were with, would they have cried for someone else?

 

[Lanie]

Lanie, while I respect your opinion and I get it you are addressing TMK, it's posted in the public forum and so.......I feel I have to respond in the following ways. My responses, point by point, in red.

All the above in red is also just MOO.

I responded, and my post was eaten.

"TMK" is my abbreviation for "to my knowledge."

Briefly:

Misty does not come across to me AT ALL as some innocent 'babe in the woods' whose only possible involvement in what happened to Haleigh is either as a patsy and/or covering up for Ron. I think she is just as capable of being the perp as Ron is, that is, IMO, 'what the difference is'.

Misty being in love with Ron then, and even being in love with Ron now, does not, IMO, automatically mean she will cover for him and/or take the fall for him. Her story as given to LE at the very beginning and continuing on for some time, again, things MISTY SAID, puts her at the scene, and IMO, makes her the natural #1 suspect, which, IMO, is a big difference from just covering for someone else's wrongdoings.

If Ron married Misty to keep her mouth shut, why did he divorce her, and why hasn't she opened her mouth? If his family was defending her to keep her mouth shut, why are they no longer doing that? Not only does she no longer have a marriage to Ron, she never got a baby of her own, and she is currently doing a 25 year sentence in prison. Yet she still doesn't implicate him. Maybe she is really so stupid and gullible and in love, or maybe she has nothing to implicate him with. She also apparently wasn't so in love with him just days earlier she refrained from leaving him and being with another man, but they did have that Sunday night/Monday morning together for that to all change.

When the cops say Ron was at work and there is video showing it, I don't think they were referring to the Friday before.

Regarding Ron's family defending Misty. There was more history between these people than Misty saying someone stole Haleigh right under her nose. I don't know what story Misty gave to Ron that was related to his family, but I don't believe for one second it was the story that was given to LE and the media. What I have heard from before times, it seems Misty was a very good caregiver to Haleigh and Jr., and if the story she gave them involved Misty putting herself in harm's way, and maybe even coming to harm, to try to protect Haleigh, then I can see how they would all defend her like they did. I can also see how they could believe her story, as IMO, Ron is a shady character, and it wouldn't be a big surprise to have someone come after his kids for payback.

DCF gets involved for lots of reasons other than children being beaten by their parents. I would think Ron's history of drugs would be a very good reason for DCF to be keeping tabs on him. DCF involvement does not prove Ron beat his children.

All the above, MOO

 

[dodie20]

I responded, and my post was eaten.

"TMK" is my abbreviation for "to my knowledge."

Briefly:

Misty does not come across to me AT ALL as some innocent 'babe in the woods' whose only possible involvement in what happened to Haleigh is either as a patsy and/or covering up for Ron. I think she is just as capable of being the perp as Ron is, that is, IMO, 'what the difference is'.

Misty being in love with Ron then, and even being in love with Ron now, does not, IMO, automatically mean she will cover for him and/or take the fall for him. Her story as given to LE at the very beginning and continuing on for some time, again, things MISTY SAID, puts her at the scene, and IMO, makes her the natural #1 suspect, which, IMO, is a big difference from just covering for someone else's wrongdoings.

If Ron married Misty to keep her mouth shut, why did he divorce her, and why hasn't she opened her mouth? If his family was defending her to keep her mouth shut, why are they no longer doing that? Not only does she no longer have a marriage to Ron, she never got a baby of her own, and she is currently doing a 25 year sentence in prison. Yet she still doesn't implicate him. Maybe she is really so stupid and gullible and in love, or maybe she has nothing to implicate him with. She also apparently wasn't so in love with him just days earlier she refrained from leaving him and being with another man, but they did have that Sunday night/Monday morning together for that to all change.

When the cops say Ron was at work and there is video showing it, I don't think they were referring to the Friday before.

Regarding Ron's family defending Misty. There was more history between these people than Misty saying someone stole Haleigh right under her nose. I don't know what story Misty gave to Ron that was related to his family, but I don't believe for one second it was the story that was given to LE and the media. What I have heard from before times, it seems Misty was a very good caregiver to Haleigh and Jr., and if the story she gave them involved Misty putting herself in harm's way, and maybe even coming to harm, to try to protect Haleigh, then I can see how they would all defend her like they did. I can also see how they could believe her story, as IMO, Ron is a shady character, and it wouldn't be a big surprise to have someone come after his kids for payback.

DCF gets involved for lots of reasons other than children being beaten by their parents. I would think Ron's history of drugs would be a very good reason for DCF to be keeping tabs on him. DCF involvement does not prove Ron beat his children.

All the above, MOO

I don't think Misty is covering for Ron. Actually, I think it's more likely that he was covering for her. But, that's not making much sense either, because why wouldn't he have told the truth by now? I don't think Misty was an innocent, but she was just 16, when Ron moved her in...& regardless of what she'd been doing, she had only been on this earth for 16 short years, & he was beyond wrong, for being with her, moving her in, & using her as a babysitter. Even if Misty did bash Haleigh with a board, it was Ron who put her there. She shouldn't have been there, & DCF should've removed her or the kids, & some kind of statutory charges should've been filed. I know he's not the 1st man to move a teenaged girl into his house, but considering that DCF was already involved, I can't believe they didn't do something. That was a bad situation, just waiting for something horrible to happen, & it did. & if TN offered to pay Misty to babysit, then she's up to her ears in this. What kind of woman would want Misty, of all people, babysitting her grandkids? Haleigh was sick & Jr. wasn't much more than a baby. So no, I don't think Misty was a scapegoat, but I don't see her, (regardless of what happened,) any more guilty than Ron.

 

[Emeralgem]

I responded, and my post was eaten.

"TMK" is my abbreviation for "to my knowledge."

Briefly:

Misty does not come across to me AT ALL as some innocent 'babe in the woods' whose only possible involvement in what happened to Haleigh is either as a patsy and/or covering up for Ron. I think she is just as capable of being the perp as Ron is, that is, IMO, 'what the difference is'.

Misty being in love with Ron then, and even being in love with Ron now, does not, IMO, automatically mean she will cover for him and/or take the fall for him. Her story as given to LE at the very beginning and continuing on for some time, again, things MISTY SAID, puts her at the scene, and IMO, makes her the natural #1 suspect, which, IMO, is a big difference from just covering for someone else's wrongdoings.

If Ron married Misty to keep her mouth shut, why did he divorce her, and why hasn't she opened her mouth? If his family was defending her to keep her mouth shut, why are they no longer doing that? Not only does she no longer have a marriage to Ron, she never got a baby of her own, and she is currently doing a 25 year sentence in prison. Yet she still doesn't implicate him. Maybe she is really so stupid and gullible and in love, or maybe she has nothing to implicate him with. She also apparently wasn't so in love with him just days earlier she refrained from leaving him and being with another man, but they did have that Sunday night/Monday morning together for that to all change.


When the cops say Ron was at work and there is video showing it, I don't think they were referring to the Friday before.

Regarding Ron's family defending Misty. There was more history between these people than Misty saying someone stole Haleigh right under her nose. I don't know what story Misty gave to Ron that was related to his family, but I don't believe for one second it was the story that was given to LE and the media. What I have heard from before times, it seems Misty was a very good caregiver to Haleigh and Jr., and if the story she gave them involved Misty putting herself in harm's way, and maybe even coming to harm, to try to protect Haleigh, then I can see how they would all defend her like they did. I can also see how they could believe her story, as IMO, Ron is a shady character, and it wouldn't be a big surprise to have someone come after his kids for payback.

DCF gets involved for lots of reasons other than children being beaten by their parents. I would think Ron's history of drugs would be a very good reason for DCF to be keeping tabs on him. DCF involvement does not prove Ron beat his children.

All the above, MOO

BBM
IMO We haven't been given one iota of proof they were reconciled or back together as a couple on Sunday night and Monday morning other than what TN and Misty have both claimed.

Also, my understanding is Misty is now claiming, once again, she was asleep that night and as of February 9, 2011 TN IS still claiming she doesn't believe Misty knows anything. So IF that isn't still protecting her, what is? JMHO

 

[dodie20]

BBM
IMO We haven't been given one iota of proof they were reconciled or back together as a couple on Sunday night and Monday morning other than what TN and Misty have both claimed.

Also, my understanding is Misty is now claiming, once again, she was asleep that night and as of February 9, 2011 TN IS still claiming she doesn't believe Misty knows anything. So IF that isn't still protecting her, what is? JMHO

so, TN is claiming that Misty doesn't know anything? What about her being a witch? what about, 'do you think she's gonna talk'? (paraphrased). what about those LDTs? unbelievable. If I take out the tests failures, I too wouldn't think Misty knows much. What kind of verification do we have, that she actually failed? That LVA bugs me...mainly because of the questions she was asked. I know she was lying, when talking about Crystal being involved, that was obvious, but I believed a lot of what she had to say. There was a point, when asked about who all she thought was invoved, where she 'accidentally', added an extra number, & it looked like she was about to form the letter R, (for Ron?), & then corrected herself. 'Accidentally', letting things almost slip, seems like a really risky thing to do, (perfect for the immature?) ...but in her defense, if she was lying, she was smooth. It wasn't the same flow as her other lies. My overall feeling, after watching the video, was that Misty wasn't sure of what happened, but had ideas, & wasn't willing to exclude Ron from her suspicions. The things that were obvious lies, were the details about what led up to that night. I tried to find the video last night, but it had been removed. of couse...ughhh...

 

[nomoresorrow]

What has confused me most in this case is the web of lies that have been spun from day one. Even more perplexing has been the participation of, not only Misty & Ron, but of other family members, but most especially TN (MOO). IMO it goes even beyond a mother simply trying to protect her son (TN protecting Ron...). I've often wondered, if it was a case of HaLeigh getting into pills & overdosing, were they pills that TN had given to Ron, either for his own personal use or to sell, and the cover up was out of fear of LE making the connection back to TN? Thinking outloud here...

 

[krkrjx]

I guess I didn't get my point across well, so let me try another way.

I can see, agree, and understand how the above story you told could happen. What I was referring to was emotional symptoms, not physiological symptoms.

Using the story above, the small child fell from his chair, cried a little, then resumed playing. This was an accident. If there had been no fall from a chair, but say he had been playing in the kitchen and his mother got angry and slammed his head into the floor, do you think this child would have simply cried a little and then resumed playing? I don't. IMO, this child would have cried for quite a while in fear of his mother, and IMO, he would have displayed other symptoms, maybe some skittishness or being more subdued and unhappy than normal. There could have been completely different symptoms than what I listed, but I just don't think after being attacked by a parent a kid is going to bounce back and be his normal self within a short period of time.

To go back to what I originally said, TMK there has been no evidence Haleigh showed any signs of being an abused or battered child. If Ron hit Haleigh, I don't see why she would be okay with it and go on with life as usual. She was at school that day, and even if she wasn't showing blatant symptoms of being assaulted by her father, I think she would have had at least slight behavior differences, which might not have stood out until she went missing, and people who had contact with her go back over the day and look for things. I have not heard from one person who has said Haleigh was acting in any way odd that day.

OMG!

A child's head would not have to be "slammed into the floor" to cause serious injury. Again, OMG!

Nor would a child have to be "attacked" by a parent to sustain serious injury, to the point of emotional/psychological changes to such a degree that they might be noticeable at a glance.

I am not trying to imply that Haleigh was beaten, slammed, or attacked by her father. I am saying, though, that I do believe Ron was angry that day (at Misty) and that I do believe his kids sometimes took the brunt of his anger.

Even a simple slap or a shove can have a domino effect. A slap can lead to further injury if a child falls, hits a wall or a door frame, a piece of furniture, whatever. This would be an unintentional consequence of the slap, but it is no less a consequence of the slap.

Seems I am the one who didn't get my point across well. My post was trying to say that until we know what happened, a slap or two or a push from Daddy to Daughter is not something that some of us can automatically rule out just because someone claims to have seen Haleigh eating and talking not long before she disappeared into thin air.

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM Mistic, I agree with you about TN and RC. I think that is where it all began, they are the keys. On Misty's 911 call, she seemed totally confused about what was happening and what she thought RC wanted her to say. I think that TN and RC wanted Misty to call 911 long before he came home, but she didn't show up until about 2am, when a neighbor heard a scream and Misty in the yard talking on the phone. She was set up, IMO, as were TC and whoever was with him, either JO or TiC. This has been my opinion for a while...of course it may change...again.:crazy:

I share your opinion. Misty was set up along with her brother to take the blame. I have two very strong opinions on what happened. Either TN did not want to keep the children that afternoon and night, which would explain why she was trying to get Misty to babysit. TN may have overdosed Haleigh so that she could leave and Haleigh died. This prompted TN and Ron to frantically try to find Misty so that they could get her over to the MH. This would also explain the multitude of phone calls/text mgs sent by Ron that night. (I'm still hoping that we will get to see TN's phone calls). Or opinion number two, Ron physically hurt Haleigh (he was most likely in a fit of rage, hadn't slept much, fought with Misty all weekend and was still trying to get her to talk with him on the phone), Haleigh died as a result of abuse. Ron called TN in a panic. TN sent Ron on to work (had to have that old alibi) and continued to clean the scene and still trying to get up with Misty to get her over to the MH in order for the "plan" to work. Anyway, I've posted this so many times in the last two years and I still believe that Ron and Teresa are up to their eyeballs in what happened to Haleigh. Ron would spend the rest of his life in prison to protect "Teresa" aka Mom.

 

[nomoresorrow]

(b/redbm)

i share your opinion. Misty was set up along with her brother to take the blame. I have two very strong opinions on what happened. Either tn did not want to keep the children that afternoon and night, which would explain why she was trying to get misty to babysit. tn may have overdosed haleigh so that she could leave and haleigh died. This prompted tn and ron to frantically try to find misty so that they could get her over to the mh. This would also explain the multitude of phone calls/text mgs sent by ron that night. (i'm still hoping that we will get to see tn's phone calls). or opinion number two, ron physically hurt haleigh (he was most likely in a fit of rage, hadn't slept much, fought with misty all weekend and was still trying to get her to talk with him on the phone), haleigh died as a result of abuse. Ron called tn in a panic. Tn sent ron on to work (had to have that old alibi) and continued to clean the scene and still trying to get up with misty to get her over to the mh in order for the "plan" to work. Anyway, i've posted this so many times in the last two years and i still believe that ron and teresa are up to their eyeballs in what happened to haleigh. Ron would spend the rest of his life in prison to protect "teresa" aka mom.

:waitasec: Now that's an interesting theory lone...

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I share your opinion. Misty was set up along with her brother to take the blame. I have two very strong opinions on what happened. Either TN did not want to keep the children that afternoon and night, which would explain why she was trying to get Misty to babysit. TN may have overdosed Haleigh so that she could leave and Haleigh died. This prompted TN and Ron to frantically try to find Misty so that they could get her over to the MH. This would also explain the multitude of phone calls/text mgs sent by Ron that night. (I'm still hoping that we will get to see TN's phone calls). Or opinion number two, Ron physically hurt Haleigh (he was most likely in a fit of rage, hadn't slept much, fought with Misty all weekend and was still trying to get her to talk with him on the phone), Haleigh died as a result of abuse. Ron called TN in a panic. TN sent Ron on to work (had to have that old alibi) and continued to clean the scene and still trying to get up with Misty to get her over to the MH in order for the "plan" to work. Anyway, I've posted this so many times in the last two years and I still believe that Ron and Teresa are up to their eyeballs in what happened to Haleigh. Ron would spend the rest of his life in prison to protect "Teresa" aka Mom.

bbm... I believe you are 100% right on part bbm. Both of your theories have merit. I feel that TN has more involvement in Haleigh's death than Ron. It seems more than just protecting her son to me. But either theory could be it. I definitely feel she was there from the beginning, and she could have been the person who came with GGMA to bring the clothes. Seems I remember somewhere that someone was with her. It's beginning to run together...again. MOO

 

[krkrjx]

Why would Misty not come forward now and admit that she had been set up, or that she was not there when Haleigh met her demise but arrived later to find Haleigh either deceased or missing? About the only thing Misty has ever said that never changed was that she did not go out that night, that she was there with the kids the whole time. If that isn't true, why would she not admit that now? I can't help but think that Misty has nothing to lose and possibly something to gain by admitting if she wasn't there, and nothing to gain but much to lose by continuing to deny it.

I know Misty is not very bright but I believe she does have the mental capacity to have figured out at some point over the past two years if she had been set up.

 

[4Jacy]

Why would Misty not come forward now and admit that she had been set up, or that she was not there when Haleigh met her demise but arrived later to find Haleigh either deceased or missing? About the only thing Misty has ever said that never changed was that she did not go out that night, that she was there with the kids the whole time. If that isn't true, why would she not admit that now? I can't help but think that Misty has nothing to lose and possibly something to gain by admitting if she wasn't there, and nothing to gain but much to lose by continuing to deny it.

I know Misty is not very bright but I believe she does have the mental capacity to have figured out at some point over the past two years if she had been set up.

Hi, krkrjx. Well, first of all Misty did say she was out of the mobile home that night for "a little while."

Secondly, you are right: Misty is not very bright.

ALSO, throw stones if you must but: WHY DIDN'T CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, KNOWING WHAT KIND OF A PERSON RC WAS, AT LEAST TRY TO GET THE CHILDREN AWAY FROM HIM?

I would have never waited for a "courts" decision about MY CHILDREN. With a father like that; we all would have been gone....never to be seen by anyone involved in my children's life again.

 

[krkrjx]

Hi, krkrjx. Well, first of all Misty did say she was out of the mobile home that night for "a little while."

Secondly, you are right: Misty is not very bright.

ALSO, throw stones if you must but: WHY DIDN'T CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, KNOWING WHAT KIND OF A PERSON RC WAS, AT LEAST TRY TO GET THE CHILDREN AWAY FROM HIM?

I would have never waited for a "courts" decision about MY CHILDREN. With a father like that; we all would have been gone....never to be seen by anyone involved in my children's life again.

IIRC, Misty said she was out of the mobile home but just on the front porch, and only long enough to have a smoke.

As for Crystal not doing anything to save her kids, it's pretty easy for us to say we would have acted, regardless of the courts or the threats of the father, etc., but viewing a situation from the outside and actually living in it are two very different animals.

My assessment of Crystal is that she suffers from depression. She may or may not have been doing drugs at the time but if she indeed suffers from clinical depression, she may have been powerless to act. I recall that she did plead with the courts to help save her babies from their reckless dad, and the court ignored her pleas. That's a pretty big slap in the face, and puts a person with little self-esteem to begin with in an even worse frame of mind.

We can sit in our comfy homes and speak of what we would do in Crystal's situation but I will say that Ronald Cummings is most definitely not a person I would want gunning after me! So, unless Crystal had somewhere to run where there were people she could trust to help her when he came after her, she may have had no choices, or at least believed she didn't. Crystal wanted her babies safe but I think she knew no matter what she did he was going to take them back...and maybe even convince a judge to strip her of visitation rights.

4Jacy...Look into that dude's mean eyes and it won't take you long to realize you would definitely not want to run into him in a dark alley. I have had a hard time with research and going back over this case mainly because I almost become ill whenever I have to look at RC's photos. Honestly, I have no problem at all hearing in my mind Ron threatening Crystal that if she made waves he would throw her body off the Dunn's Creek Bridge where it would never be found, because that's a great place to dump a body.

 

[dodie20]

At the beginning of this case, I developed a theory about this bunch. They hold back. Even when they're telling the truth, they don't tell the whole truth. Even if the truth is better than a lie, or even if it doesn't matter one way or the other, these people hold back. They always hold something back, & they always minimize their own involvement. When Tommy admitted to being at the trailer, but only going as far as the door? I didn't believe him. If that was the truth, he would've claimed to have stayed in his car. I was almost sure he had gone into that house. & once he DID admit to being in the house, but not hurting Haleigh...well, I didn't believe that either, & I thought he was holding something back. still do. So, when Misty admits to going outside, but only to smoke...I don't believe her & wonder what she's holding back. These people smoked at the police station, in front of news cameras, so I find it almost unbelievable, that they didn't smoke in the house. MOO.

 

[lil momma]

My theories are pretty simple. HaLeigh's body had to be hidden for a reason. Someone didn't want LE to find evidence on her body. What that evidence is, IDK. IMO, either she was given drugs to put her to sleep, or she got into the drug stash. Or she became the brunt of someone's anger, and was accidently killed.

I am really thinking that drugs played a roll in HaLeigh's death. (not surrounding it, but a direct result) If an autopsy was performed on the body, they would find out that HaLeigh was drugged. He body had to be hidden to avoid anyone finding out what happened to her..... JMO

 

[4Jacy]

IIRC, Misty said she was out of the mobile home but just on the front porch, and only long enough to have a smoke.

As for Crystal not doing anything to save her kids, it's pretty easy for us to say we would have acted, regardless of the courts or the threats of the father, etc., but viewing a situation from the outside and actually living in it are two very different animals.

My assessment of Crystal is that she suffers from depression. She may or may not have been doing drugs at the time but if she indeed suffers from clinical depression, she may have been powerless to act. I recall that she did plead with the courts to help save her babies from their reckless dad, and the court ignored her pleas. That's a pretty big slap in the face, and puts a person with little self-esteem to begin with in an even worse frame of mind.

We can sit in our comfy homes and speak of what we would do in Crystal's situation but I will say that Ronald Cummings is most definitely not a person I would want gunning after me! So, unless Crystal had somewhere to run where there were people she could trust to help her when he came after her, she may have had no choices, or at least believed she didn't. Crystal wanted her babies safe but I think she knew no matter what she did he was going to take them back...and maybe even convince a judge to strip her of visitation rights.

4Jacy...Look into that dude's mean eyes and it won't take you long to realize you would definitely not want to run into him in a dark alley. I have had a hard time with research and going back over this case mainly because I almost become ill whenever I have to look at RC's photos. Honestly, I have no problem at all hearing in my mind Ron threatening Crystal that if she made waves he would throw her body off the Dunn's Creek Bridge where it would never be found, because that's a great place to dump a body.

krk, I understand what you are saying, however, it doesn't work for me. Remember the stories about the mother bear? I was in that situation once with my children when she came charging. Believe me their little feet never touched the ground as I raced them to safety. That's what mothers do; the bear and the human.

I don't care how mean Ron's eyes look, it doesn't matter. You, as a mother are their protector. I doesn't matter how depressed you are. You are their saviour - they are your blessings.

Even though this is not appropriate to this mystery, I like the words by Edgar Allan Poe "loved with a loved that was more than a love."

 

[Lanie]

Those weren't Misty's kids, so I wouldn't expect any kind of maternal bond. They were Ron's kids, & IMO, he's the one who's like Casey Anthony. He knew Misty wasn't fit to babysit a dog, but he wanted her in the house, so he left his kids with her. She was there for him, & if busy babysitting, he could keep tabs on her. So, IMO, he used his little kids, to keep Misty from running the roads. I don't think Misty, was any more capable of murdering Haleigh & going about a cold blooded disposal, alone, than Ron was. I just don't see it. She had just turned 17 years old...also, who's to say that Misty is the only one who might've been born into alcohol syndrome or addiction? & the same lack of abuse proof, that 'clears' Ron, is the same lack of abuse proof, that 'clears' Misty. Nobody had anything but good things to say about her relationship with the kids. Personally. I found all of that gushing, hard to believe, but I don't think Misty was mean to the kids. I believed AS when she said the kids cried to be with her, & I believed Misty was the one, who massaged Haleigh's night cramps. But, I did find it strange, that the kids would cry for her...if they had been happy, where they were, & who they were with, would they have cried for someone else?

BBM

Why do you think Ron knew Misty wasn't fit to babysit a dog? IIRC, Ron met Misty somehow because she babysat his other child.

BBM

ITA. The same 'lack of abuse' proof that causes me to believe Ron did not cause brain injury to Haleigh which resulted in her death hours or days later also causes me to believe Misty did not cause brain injury to Haleigh which hours or days later resulted in her death. Since I don't believe Haleigh's death is the result of an injury of any kind that was sustained hours or days before, I'll even put it out there for me it pretty much rules out all of them in this scenario, including Tommy, Joe, Teresa, Anette, etc. etc.

BBM

Regarding the FAS or drug baby comment, I'm really sorry I even included it. As I was saying I think Misty is a sociopath, I was thinking about all the things I've read of her life and her parent's, and that thought popped in my head, that maybe this had happened to her, and I 'thought aloud' into my post. Whether she was or wasn't has no bearing on what I think happened, it was just a random thought that made it to my keyboard.

 

[dodie20]

Misty had just come off a multi day binger. Ron & his mom both knew it. & even if by some miracle,that was the 1st time, she wasn't fit to babysit a dog. I remember early on, Crystal tried to bring up what she'd heard about it, & she just about had her head bit off. but she was right. IDK what kind of drugs Misty did on a regular basis, but I do remember her claiming to have smoked a joint with Tommy, that night. I don't think that would render a babysitter helpless, but it still wasn't a good thing. I never really believed that joint story, & couldn't decide if she was 'holding back', or if the whole thing was a lie...just to convince LE that she was there. Tommy later 'admitted' to being so high on xanax, that he passed in & out of consciousness. So, was she on xanax too, or lying? I lean towards lying, but don't know what that means.

 

[Lanie]

I don't think Misty is covering for Ron. Actually, I think it's more likely that he was covering for her. But, that's not making much sense either, because why wouldn't he have told the truth by now? I don't think Misty was an innocent, but she was just 16, when Ron moved her in...& regardless of what she'd been doing, she had only been on this earth for 16 short years, & he was beyond wrong, for being with her, moving her in, & using her as a babysitter. Even if Misty did bash Haleigh with a board, it was Ron who put her there. She shouldn't have been there, & DCF should've removed her or the kids, & some kind of statutory charges should've been filed. I know he's not the 1st man to move a teenaged girl into his house, but considering that DCF was already involved, I can't believe they didn't do something. That was a bad situation, just waiting for something horrible to happen, & it did. & if TN offered to pay Misty to babysit, then she's up to her ears in this. What kind of woman would want Misty, of all people, babysitting her grandkids? Haleigh was sick & Jr. wasn't much more than a baby. So no, I don't think Misty was a scapegoat, but I don't see her, (regardless of what happened,) any more guilty than Ron.

Dodie, I agree with most of what you have said.

Maybe I'm in the minority because I'm trying to filter all this through the lifestyle these people lead vs. my own. Like you are commenting about TN not watching the kids, and what kind of woman, etc. etc. and I'm thinking, maybe the kind of woman who had her own parents raising her own children? I don't remember how old Ron and his sister were when they went to live with AS, but for Ron at least, if he left there around 13, it wasn't too long before he was shacked up with Crystal, at what, 15?

Now I feel like I'm going to be attacked for 'condoning' this stuff, which isn't true. My viewpoint, which seems to differ from almost everyone else, is I can't even begin to comprehend how TN not being the perfect grandmother who will drop everything at the drop of a hat to watch her grandkids somehow makes her guilty of what happened to Haleigh if you look at her track record as a mother. To me, this is the same effing behavior she has displayed for years and years prior to Haleigh even being born.

Same thing with Misty living with Ron at 16. IIRC, Ron and Crystal were living together with Crystal's mom maybe at 15 and 14. IIRC, Misty was having relationships for at least a couple of years before Ron came along. Is it right? Not in my opinion, but these people and their lifestyles, they don't think like I do, and IMO, that's why little to nothing was done, because none of them, again, IMO, think anything is wrong with it.

Misty babysat more than Ron's children, and by all accounts I've heard she was a very good babysitter. I don't give a flying flip for Ron, but with what I know so far, I can't lay the blame on him for leaving the kids with Misty. This is a little O/T, but I watched some stories a while back about parents suspecting their nannies of abuse, so they got nannie cams to get it on tape, and all I could think is why in God's name would you leave your child with someone you think is abusing the child just to catch it on camera, and give the abuser one more chance to hurt and maybe kill your child??? I think that's crazy, and I do blame those parents, but I've seen no evidence that leads me to believe Ron thought Misty was harming his children and left them with her anyway, and until I do, I won't feel he is as responsible as Misty, if she did kill Haleigh.

 

[dodie20]

Why would Misty not come forward now and admit that she had been set up, or that she was not there when Haleigh met her demise but arrived later to find Haleigh either deceased or missing? About the only thing Misty has ever said that never changed was that she did not go out that night, that she was there with the kids the whole time. If that isn't true, why would she not admit that now? I can't help but think that Misty has nothing to lose and possibly something to gain by admitting if she wasn't there, and nothing to gain but much to lose by continuing to deny it.

I know Misty is not very bright but I believe she does have the mental capacity to have figured out at some point over the past two years if she had been set up.

I never could figure out why she wouldn't admit to leaving, because that information could've saved her hide, unless while gone, she was doing something horrible. It was reported that she & Ron argued over babysitting, & then it was said that she wanted to babysit her brother's kids. Well, there's something not right with either scenario. If she was at the trailer, then she was already babysitting, so why argue about it? & why would she want to bring more kids into the mix? What does make sense is, that she wasn't at the trailer babysitting during that call, But where was she & where were the kids? maybe she was babysitting, left right after Ron went to work, & that argument call, was him trying to round her up? Maybe the reason LE seemed so sure about her being gone, was from pings, between that call. IDK, but like I said in an up post, I never believed the story about her & Tommy sharing a joint. That sounded like an alibi story, IMO.