General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[tiki21]

If I am not mistaken Jo has stated Chelsey and Timmy were the ones who left in the van when they received the call. He claims he watched their children.But who knows?

I maintain my stance the incident occurred at Misty's parent's residence or in the immediate area..And it happened before Ron C ever went in to work that afternoon/early evening. He left Misty high and dry to handle the whole situation. She really didn't want to but felt she had no other choice considering I suspect he managed to convince her she would be the one charged with whatever had happened to Haleigh...Especially IF the incident occcurred at her parent's residence...And I still believe he was playing BILLY BAD AZZ with a gun like he has been known to do and shot her..Granted, I do not believe it was intentional, but it happened just the same.
IMO. Yes the whole damn motley crew has lied to police, media and to us. God only knows the lies they have told to one another in order to pull this off like they have... JMHO..

u bring up a good point.. if the incident happened at magnolia, misty and tommy could have been afraid the murder would be pinned on them and went along with the coverup. if ron just left misty with the cleanup, she would have no choice but to go along with it as the evidence was in plain sight at her parents house where she could have been staying.

 

[titanfan62702]

I don't think the blue van was involved at all. I actually think it was either one of Ron's vehicles or one belonging to TN or GS.

For one thing, what did RC drive to work and wherever else he went? The neighbor saw the purple car parked there all evening and what other vehicle was behind the yellow tape?

And I would bet neither TN or GS's vehicle were even searched much less checked for evidenc.

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM: I do not recall hearing Lindsy say Misty ate dinner with them but I do recall on one of the jail visit tapes Lindsy and Tommy talking about how he never went out that night. He stated that, and Lindsy said she believed him because when she got home from her class that night Tommy had the house all cleaned up and a nice dinner on the table. They didn't say what he cooked but made it sound like it was more than him just opening up a can. This would mean Tommy and Lindsy ate dinner at their home after Lindsy's class...which would have been 10:15 or 10:30 PM. It's possible I suppose, but does anyone believe they really ate dinner that late?

THere was another conversation between Tommy and Lindsy about him not going out that night, where SHE tells HIM that she told LE he had not gone out, that he babysat his kids in her absence that night, and she went on to say, "I told them you never left the house, not even to walk the dog." (That's paraphrased but I think it's pretty close to Lindsy's exact words.) To me, that sounded like Lindsy had really told LE that, but that it might not have been true, which was why she mentioned it to Tommy during their jail visit--basically a heads up to him about what she had told LE. I dont' recall for sure if the two conversations were on the same tape but I think they were. It might even be the same visit where L told T she threw his and Timmy's boots out.

There's just way too much CYA going on with all of them...the Croslins as well as the Cummings/Sykes clan. Why do all these people have to get their stories together? It's hard to believe so many people know stuff about this case and none have slipped up enough for anyone to be charged, but they have all lied and have all coached each other either on what to say or on what they were saying to LE. Why?!!

:banghead: I think I'm suffering from Post traumatic Syndrone from this case. Glad you cleared that up. I apparently assumed that the meal was cooked and eaten prior to LC going off to school.

 

[SmoothOperator]

BBM: I do not recall hearing Lindsy say Misty ate dinner with them but I do recall on one of the jail visit tapes Lindsy and Tommy talking about how he never went out that night. He stated that, and Lindsy said she believed him because when she got home from her class that night Tommy had the house all cleaned up and a nice dinner on the table. They didn't say what he cooked but made it sound like it was more than him just opening up a can. This would mean Tommy and Lindsy ate dinner at their home after Lindsy's class...which would have been 10:15 or 10:30 PM. It's possible I suppose, but does anyone believe they really ate dinner that late?

THere was another conversation between Tommy and Lindsy about him not going out that night, where SHE tells HIM that she told LE he had not gone out, that he babysat his kids in her absence that night, and she went on to say, "I told them you never left the house, not even to walk the dog." (That's paraphrased but I think it's pretty close to Lindsy's exact words.) To me, that sounded like Lindsy had really told LE that, but that it might not have been true, which was why she mentioned it to Tommy during their jail visit--basically a heads up to him about what she had told LE. I dont' recall for sure if the two conversations were on the same tape but I think they were. It might even be the same visit where L told T she threw his and Timmy's boots out.

There's just way too much CYA going on with all of them...the Croslins as well as the Cummings/Sykes clan. Why do all these people have to get their stories together? It's hard to believe so many people know stuff about this case and none have slipped up enough for anyone to be charged, but they have all lied and have all coached each other either on what to say or on what they were saying to LE. Why?!!

Hi krkrjx! I too remember Lindsy telling Tommy the 2 things you mention ^above^ in your post.. I also recall Lindsy telling Tommy{and I believe this was in an audio call rather than video visit at the jail}that she told LE that he did not leave at any time "after" she got home from class.. that the two of them shortly after her getting home from class that they both went to bed.. She emphasized that she knew once in bed that he had never left that night...snuck out..or even got up to go in the living room to watch TV{supposedly this last one about the TV was mentioned because he regularly would get up from their bed in the middle of the night and go to the living room and watch TV}..Lindsy says she knows that he did not get up at any time that night because she ALWAYS would wake if for any reason or at any time during the night that he would get out of bed..She said it just wasn't possible for him to get out of their bed without her having been awakened and therefor been aware and known about his getting out of the bed...

This also raised my hinky meter..IMO it was just way too much over-explaining..overly detailed as if she's trying to convince herself as well as LE{and whomever else she was telling this to}..Never did sit right with me. Most of the reason is that for this{Lindsy's claim of Tommy for sure never leaving their residence that night} to be true then I would have to then believe that NONE{meaning any one of the following..several..or all} OF THE FOLLOWING NEVER HAPPENED THAT NIGHT:

A) Tommy never went to the MH for the "check-up" supposedly asked of him by Ron that he originally first admitted to way back when he was arrested on the gun charge and given the outlandish amt for a cash bond{all in hopes to get him to talk and tell what he knew}..or

B) That Tommy was not with Joe{or without Joe and just by himself} later that night at the mobile home for the supposed "prized" gun heist{AKA Ron's gun they went to "borrow" from the MH while Ron'[email protected] them to "use"to go illegal spot-light hunting }..or..

C) That either Tommy by himself.. Tommy and Joe together..or possibly Tommy with Misty..killed Haleigh and helped with disposing of Haleigh's body..or

D) That Tommy later that night was either summoned to the MH by either Ron or Misty..or Tommy went on his own accord to the MH and once there stumbled into an already dead Haleigh and from there was convinced to help in the disposing of Haleigh's body..

So for me to believe what Lindsy claims to be true that night of February 9 into wee early morning hours of February 10 2009..that Tommy indeed NEVER LEFT THEIR HOME..NOR EVEN THEIR BED AT ANYTIME THAT NIGHT OR EARLY MORNING HOURS.. IMO that would mean I believed that absolutely none of A-D occurred that night..

IMO One or more of the A-D events occurred in those late night to early morning hours of 2/9-2/10.. So combining that and the overly detailed..overly emphasized acct of Lindsy's about Tommy not being able to leave their bed without her immediately knowing....Leads me to not believe what Lindsy is claiming that she knows and is so certain NEVER occurred{Tommy leaving}..

**ETA- as an after thought about Lindsy in general.. I really do hope that with the long passage of time and most likely very little communication as well between now ex-wife Lindsy and incarcerated ex-husband Tommy..my hope is that these investigators do periodically call her back in for a very indepth line of questioning about her now ex-husband and ex-inlaws..
Because it is little things just such as this discussed above that "at that time" Lindsy was so devoted and felt she must stay loyal above all to her husband{and possibly parts of his fam as well}that back then she was in the mindframe that she must say these things to further help in covering for her then husband... But now after passage of time away from the severe dysfunction of the Croslins Lindsy I'd bet would have a different outlook..opinion..as well as parts of her memory may now be 100% clear where they once were fuzzy or uncertain{or downright untrue possibly}..I do certainly hope there are investigators that are doing this.. Because its in my opinion that it will be due to such info from ppl like Lindsy who are indirectly involved that will finally give them the answers to fill in the many blanks of this case..therefor leading to what happened.. I do believe "IF" it ever gets solved this will be how..jmo tho..

 

[Emeralgem]

u bring up a good point.. if the incident happened at magnolia, misty and tommy could have been afraid the murder would be pinned on them and went along with the coverup. if ron just left misty with the cleanup, she would have no choice but to go along with it as the evidence was in plain sight at her parents house where she could have been staying.

And to my knowledge that residence was never searched by LE in the beginning. Still don't know IF it has ever been searched. One would think it would have been after the Shell Harbor Dock search but we have no confirmation from anyone in LE stating it was going to be or had been...JMHO

 

[titanfan62702]

And to my knowledge that residence was never searched by LE in the beginning. Still don't know IF it has ever been searched. One would think it would have been after the Shell Harbor Dock search but we have no confirmation from anyone in LE stating it was going to be or had been...JMHO

My guess is there is a long list of places/items that should have been searched but weren't. And they wonder why they can't find HaLeigh?

 

[Emeralgem]

My guess is there is a long list of places/items that should have been searched but weren't. And they wonder why they can't find HaLeigh?

I agree wholeheartedly and also believe there are quite a few LE hasn't bothered putting any real pressure on either. And IMO they are all on Ron C's side of the family....JMHO

 

[titanfan62702]

I agree wholeheartedly and also believe there are quite a few LE hasn't bothered putting any real pressure on either. And IMO they are all on Ron C's side of the family....JMHO

One of my favorite phrases when someone tells me LE is not going down the road to look at the Cummings, is that when the road you're isn't working, try a different one.

Why all the secrets with the Cummings? At least the Croslin's throw something up to see if it sticks. Tommy told about his 10 o'clock visit to the mh. True or not, his bond was reduced. Why wouldn't they think that's the way to go? I think the most truth Misty ever told was if LE wanted something from her to get her out of jail, she'd tell 'em something, not that she'd tell 'em the truth. And the Croslins spent plenty of time together between feuds to sit around the kitchen table or wherever to develop a story to use just in case they needed it.

 

[tiki21]

One of my favorite phrases when someone tells me LE is not going down the road to look at the Cummings, is that when the road you're isn't working, try a different one.

Why all the secrets with the Cummings? At least the Croslin's throw something up to see if it sticks. Tommy told about his 10 o'clock visit to the mh. True or not, his bond was reduced. Why wouldn't they think that's the way to go? I think the most truth Misty ever told was if LE wanted something from her to get her out of jail, she'd tell 'em something, not that she'd tell 'em the truth. And the Croslins spent plenty of time together between feuds to sit around the kitchen table or wherever to develop a story to use just in case they needed it.

other than Ron getting locked up, the Cummings haven't had a need to throw something up to see if it sticks. all of the pressure has been on the croslins.. lisa, hank and tommy have all been arrested several times with the last one involving misty.

AS & TN have never had to answer to anyone

 

[titanfan62702]

other than Ron getting locked up, the Cummings haven't had a need to throw something up to see if it sticks. all of the pressure has been on the croslins.. lisa, hank and tommy have all been arrested several times with the last one involving misty.

AS & TN have never had to answer to anyone

Too bad -- though if someone is paying attention, what AS and TN throw up on NG ain't sticking either.

 

[lonetraveler]

I agree wholeheartedly and also believe there are quite a few LE hasn't bothered putting any real pressure on either. And IMO they are all on Ron C's side of the family....JMHO

I share your pain. Does anyone know if anyone in Ronald's family besides Ron was ever given a LDT? I know that LE stated that they offered the families LDT.

 

[titanfan62702]

I share your pain. Does anyone know if anyone in Ronald's family besides Ron was ever given a LDT? I know that LE stated that they offered the families LDT.

Don't know but if AS took one it would come back "that's a crock".

 

[lonetraveler]

I know I'm going to feel a lot of "eyes rolling" from all of you but please bear with me on this. I know that this has been discussed into the next century but I listened to this for about a thousand times but I just can't get past the change in the voice answering the dispatcher on the 911 call. Please listen to this call and at the 5:36 mark, where the dispatcher is trying to get someone to give her Haleigh's first, middle and last name. To me, this is not Misty speaking and no one has been able to convince me that it is. It is a much deeper voice than Misty's. I have always thought that it could be either Hope, Teresa or Crystal (Ron's sister) briefly speaking to the dispatcher. I would like to know if any of you think the same thing.

http://www.news4jax.com/download/2009/0211/18686377.mp3

 

[dodie20]

Hi dodie!

oh the infamous A/C guy is such a mystery. I agree that the A/C guy could be a witness for Ron not being at the MH, but did the A/C guy REALLY know Ron? Did the A/C guy really know who HaLeigh was? Maybe the reason, IMO, that the A/C guy has stayed such a mystery is b/c he really wasn't a witness to anything. If Tommy was there with his children, at the time the A/C guy arrived, Misty is there with Jr and HaLeigh, and all the kids were outside playing, as we were lead to believe and the A/C guy was inside working on the unit, then he really isn't a witness to anything, b/c he was inside while they were outside. Probably why LE questioned him and he hasn't been brought into it, b/c he has nothing. He can probably tell LE that there were like 4 or 5 kids outside playing, but didn't pay much attention to them, b/c he was there to do a job. I really don't think the A/C guy is of any importantance, and could be the reason Shoey didn't use him. JMO

all true, but Shoemaker was defending his client against CC's accusations, & should've, IMO, brought up any outside witness, he could...even if all that witness could do was verify that Ron was gone. In the beginning, there was a lot of speculation that a non family member, who knew the lay out of the house, sneaked in & took Haleigh. Since the AC man had been there that day, he was immediately questioned, (I think), & cleared. I never heard if he was an actual witness to Ron being gone, or Haleigh being there, but there sure was a lot of assuming that he alibied Ron. It was taken & run with...just like a neighbor who supposedly saw Haleigh in the yard. Now maybe these witnesses did indeed pan out, but if so, I would think that Shoemaker, when listing witnesses, would have at the least, alluded to them. MOO. It makes me nervous that the only witnesses for that day & night, might be family members. There were people at the bus stop, neighbors, the AC man, etc...& I would believe any one of them, in a heartbeat, over the Cummings & Croslins. MOO.

 

[JSV]

Yikes. I forgot to include RC.

LOL...I don't believe him either .

 

[Emeralgem]

I know I'm going to feel a lot of "eyes rolling" from all of you but please bear with me on this. I know that this has been discussed into the next century but I listened to this for about a thousand times but I just can't get past the change in the voice answering the dispatcher on the 911 call. Please listen to this call and at the 5:36 mark, where the dispatcher is trying to get someone to give her Haleigh's first, middle and last name. To me, this is not Misty speaking and no one has been able to convince me that it is. It is a much deeper voice than Misty's. I have always thought that it could be either Hope, Teresa or Crystal (Ron's sister) briefly speaking to the dispatcher. I would like to know if any of you think the same thing.

http://www.news4jax.com/download/2009/0211/18686377.mp3

I can't get the program to play for me.

 

[Emeralgem]

I share your pain. Does anyone know if anyone in Ronald's family besides Ron was ever given a LDT? I know that LE stated that they offered the families LDT.

IF it was offered I suspect they declined or we would have heard...that is IF there were no discrepancies. And thats another thing that really irks me...IMO anyone who was offered one and declined the offer should have been on LE radar. MG took one and didn't have any problem telling she had taken one...

 

[JSV]

I know I'm going to feel a lot of "eyes rolling" from all of you but please bear with me on this. I know that this has been discussed into the next century but I listened to this for about a thousand times but I just can't get past the change in the voice answering the dispatcher on the 911 call. Please listen to this call and at the 5:36 mark, where the dispatcher is trying to get someone to give her Haleigh's first, middle and last name. To me, this is not Misty speaking and no one has been able to convince me that it is. It is a much deeper voice than Misty's. I have always thought that it could be either Hope, Teresa or Crystal (Ron's sister) briefly speaking to the dispatcher. I would like to know if any of you think the same thing.

http://www.news4jax.com/download/2009/0211/18686377.mp3

OMG...That is someone else speaking .I never noticed that before .Good catch .

 

[lonetraveler]

I can't get the program to play for me.

Try this one at the 4:59 to the 5:02 mark. Listen carefully when the dispatcher asks about Haleigh's name. It is on the part that dispatcher calls back after Ron hangs up on her the first time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDXP15Uqwuk

 

[Emeralgem]

Try this one at the 4:59 to the 5:02 mark. Listen carefully when the dispatcher asks about Haleigh's name. It is on the part that dispatcher calls back after Ron hangs up on her the first time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDXP15Uqwuk

Thanks. That does sound like someone else other than Misty..And does sound like CC to me too..But what do I know? JMHO