General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[Concerned Papa]

Yep, I found this last night and just had to put it on a post. I wasn't sure if I were imagining it or not, but it was there. I must have played it a dozen times to make sure. I agree that the Neves sounds like Neef but noone else has a name even similar in this case. I had to sleep on it too. I found this the other night after listening to your one of your videos. Interesting huh?

You and I have both seen some bizarre happenstance in this case over the past two years. Towards that end, I have already downloaded the tape so that I have it in my files.

I am going to be attempting to locate a voice analysis service here to professionally scrutinize this portion of the tape.

Bottom line, for me at least, is I just plain want to know who this mystery voice belongs to. If the other statements you have referenced, such as "what did you do with her" can be filtered, I want to hear them.

If this can be authenticated and verified as to what it seems, this tape would be HUGE, at least for me.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I noticed the tape was uploaded at YouTube on Feb 11, 2009. That's not a lot of time for the tape to have been manipulated by anyone. From that standpoint alone, this third voice seems likely to be genuine and there during the call.

 

[lil momma]

Wow! I the first time i listened to it two years ago, i thought it was Misty saying "yes" but that is not what i heard today! I listened to it about 10 times before i posted, just to make sure, and it does sound like "neev" as if she started to say her own last name and caught herself, but then made the HUGE mistake of saying thats my last name not hers.... I am now more convinced than ever that TN is FULLY aware of what happened to her grandaughter. If LE has altered this 911 call, in any way, then again, i am totally convinced that they are helping in a cover up. JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

You and I have both seen some bizarre happenstance in this case over the past two years. Towards that end, I have already downloaded the tape so that I have it in my files.

I am going to be attempting to locate a voice analysis service here to professionally scrutinize this portion of the tape.

Bottom line, for me at least, is I just plain want to know who this mystery voice belongs to. If the other statements you have referenced, such as "what did you do with her" can be filtered, I want to hear them.

If this can be authenticated and verified as to what it seems, this tape would be HUGE, at least for me.

Oh yes! I so want to know if what I heard IS what I heard. I hope you do get to the bottom of this. And BTW this is huge to me as well.

 

[Chablis]

the voice quality during that part is much different, & I can honestly say, I've never heard Misty sound like that. I relistened to Hope's jail call & although her voice quality was kind of high, there were times when her voice did go lower, so IDK. MOO. too bad the 911 has been edited.

And lets be real, they are talking hushed because a call to 911 came in after Ron lost it and they probably had deal with him, of course they are going to not be talking normal.

 

[lonetraveler]

CC? Crystal Cummings or Chelsey Croslin? LOL. I was thinking Hope.

Yes, I'm quoting my own post but after listening a gazillion times, I think I heard the person giving their name as Neves.

 

[nomoresorrow]

I think that is a great idea. She needs to walk LE thru the entire 911 calls and give a play by play.

More specifically lone, Misty needs to walk investigators with the FBI thru this entire 911 call - versus the PCSO' investigators. JMO...

 

[tiki21]

More specifically lone, Misty needs to walk investigators with the FBI thru this entire 911 call - versus the PCSO' investigators. JMO...

im sure she's been asked who's voices are on the 911 call (not sure if by the FBI) but i wonder if that's why they always said that she is the key? because she won't dilvulge their names?

 

[lil momma]

So, a question that is bothering me.... IF LE is well aware, of this (and i am not saying they are) what does LE have to gain, if they helped cover this up? Surely, they wouldn't just cover up a death of a little girl in their county, b/c they were asked to, or b/c of Sykes's past connection to the PD. There has to be more. JMO

I am in no way saying that LE covered up the disappearence of HaLeigh, as a fact. I am speculating. Although i do suspect..JMO

 

[krkrjx]

So, a question that is bothering me.... IF LE is well aware, of this (and i am not saying they are) what does LE have to gain, if they helped cover this up? Surely, they wouldn't just cover up a death of a little girl in their county, b/c they were asked to, or b/c of Sykes's past connection to the PD. There has to be more. JMO

I am in no way saying that LE covered up the disappearence of HaLeigh, as a fact. I am speculating. Although i do suspect..JMO

With small-town LE, it is not unheard of to have things covered up and investigations deliberately derailed. Sometimes it's not so much about what they have to gain by doing this as it is about what they have to lose by certain activities/criminals being exposed.

I do not know if PCSO has done any deliberate covering up or derailing of the investigation. I really think they wanted Haleigh found and certainly they have put some manpower and expense into that process. What I see as likely the case with PCSO is a lack of investigatory skills. Virtually all investigations contain errors at some points but look at some of the stuff that was done (or not done) in Haleigh's case. The sheets on the ramp, the dumpster fiasco, Magnolia Lane residence/area being completely ignored, and possibly not an indepth look into the dynamics of the 911 call...among other errors some of which we are not even aware of.

I can understand to a point a small sheriff's office not having the skills or proper equipment for certain things but this case was also in the hands of FDLE. Do FDLE investigators also have very limited investigatory experience? Do they not possess proper equipment for tracking cell pings or for voice analysis of a taped 911 call? Do they typically thwart involvement of the public or others initially interested in helping them piece things together? Do they typically instruct employers, neighbors, and local townspeople to stay mute on anything they might have heard or seen?

I want to think not...but a lot of suspicious-looking investigatory procedures have been seen in this case even though PCSO is not the only investigatory agency here.

 

[lil momma]

With small-town LE, it is not unheard of to have things covered up and investigations deliberately derailed. Sometimes it's not so much about what they have to gain by doing this as it is about what they have to lose by certain activities/criminals being exposed. I do not know if PCSO has done any deliberate covering up or derailing of the investigation. I really think they wanted Haleigh found and certainly they have put some manpower and expense into that process. What I see as likely the case with PCSO is a lack of investigatory skills. Virtually all investigations contain errors at some points but look at some of the stuff that was done (or not done) in Haleigh's case. The sheets on the ramp, the dumpster fiasco, Magnolia Lane residence/area being completely ignored, and possibly not an indepth look into the dynamics of the 911 call...among other errors some of which we are not even aware of.

I can understand to a point a small sheriff's office not having the skills or proper equipment for certain things but this case was also in the hands of FDLE. Do FDLE investigators also have very limited investigatory experience? Do they not possess proper equipment for tracking cell pings or for voice analysis of a taped 911 call? Do they typically thwart involvement of the public or others initially interested in helping them piece things together? Do they typically instruct employers, neighbors, and local townspeople to stay mute on anything they might have heard or seen?

I want to think not...but a lot of suspicious-looking investigatory procedures have been seen in this case even though PCSO is not the only investigatory agency here.

Thanks krkrjx!

ITA BBM

I keep forgetting about the other agencies being involved, b/c it is not like we hear much of anything from any one agency. Everything is so mum throughout this entire case. :banghead:

 

[Emeralgem]

Thanks krkrjx!

ITA BBM

I keep forgetting about the other agencies being involved, b/c it is not like we hear much of anything from any one agency. Everything is so mum throughout this entire case. :banghead:

My understanding is for the most part PCSO told FBI their help wasn't needed.IMO.. Everyone involved with investigating this case needs to be invesitgated.JMHO

 

[Chablis]

My understanding is for the most part PCSO told FBI their help wasn't needed.IMO.. Everyone involved with investigating this case needs to be invesitgated.JMHO

Has anyone ever thought they dont need help because they already know who did it, and hes in jail? Seriously, if no one is cooperating and talking and helping, there is only so much the LE can do, unfortunately they cant use force or waterboarding on any of them. I have no doubts that the voice heard on this tape, is just new to us, I am sure the cops have known right from the get go, and this is why they got Hope Sykes for basically riding along on a deal, everyone always glosses over that like shes just a victim of circumstance, I have to say, shes not.

 

[tiki21]

Has anyone ever thought they dont need help because they already know who did it, and hes in jail? Seriously, if no one is cooperating and talking and helping, there is only so much the LE can do, unfortunately they cant use force or waterboarding on any of them. I have no doubts that the voice heard on this tape, is just new to us, I am sure the cops have known right from the get go, and this is why they got Hope Sykes for basically riding along on a deal, everyone always glosses over that like shes just a victim of circumstance, I have to say, shes not.

i always thought hope was there by chance. i don't think the undercover could have planned who would go along for the drug deal rides. if he requested that misty bring along hope or ron, i think that would have blown his cover.

her sentence is a whole different ballgame though. if they do believe she is involved, they got lucky with catching her and handed her that 15 year sentence for her involvement with Haleigh jmo i could be wrong

 

[dodie20]

i always thought hope was there by chance. i don't think the undercover could have planned who would go along for the drug deal rides. if he requested that misty bring along hope or ron, i think that would have blown his cover.

her sentence is a whole different ballgame though. if they do believe she is involved, they got lucky with catching her and handed her that 15 year sentence for her involvement with Haleigh jmo i could be wrong

I didn't think Hope was arrested by chance, but we have nothing to go on where she's concerned, except her fondness for Ron, so she's hard to figure out. On another train of thought...I was thinking that when young people visit out of town family, (especially for extended stays), they often hook up with their cousins friends for dates etc... I know Joe had some type of gf, but he was only 19, so I was wondering who all he hung out with. Has it ever been said? MOO.

 

[nomoresorrow]

(BBM)

Has anyone ever thought they dont need help because they already know who did it, and hes in jail? Seriously, if no one is cooperating and talking and helping, there is only so much the LE can do, unfortunately they cant use force or waterboarding on any of them. I have no doubts that the voice heard on this tape, is just new to us, I am sure the cops have known right from the get go, and this is why they got Hope Sykes for basically riding along on a deal, everyone always glosses over that like shes just a victim of circumstance, I have to say, shes not.

The thought has crossed my mind Chablis, followed almost instataneously by the thought that "he" (nor anyone else...) is in jail/prison today for the crime (specifically) committed against HaLeigh Cummings. These incarcerations - at least for me - do not = justice for HaLeigh. As far as "no one is cooperating and talking and helping..." LE in order to solve this case; Does that mean that an investigation can't go forward unless a confession w/ the murder weapon is handed to LE on a silver platter? Of course we know that's not the case. Instead it requires LE to investigate harder and to request the assistance of any/all LE agencies that can help in finding the evidence needed to direct them toward the perp(s) and to make an arrest against the person(s) for the crime (specifically) committed against HaLeigh Marie Cummings. AJMO ~
(By the way, love reading your posts!)

 

[lonetraveler]

In my interpretation of the "third person" on the 911 call was that the caller gave her name as "Neves". Being that Hope is not a Neves, then you can pretty much narrow the odds down as to who was talking with the dispatcher. Immediately after dispatcher asked for Haleigh's middle name, the third person answered "Neves" and then said that "this was their last name and not hers" (meaning Haleigh).

I want to know why if LE has had this information since day one they did not investigate and interrogate, excuse me, interview Teresa Neves a lot more than has been stated. Her "story" about her arrival at the MH is an out and out lie if she is indeed the person identifying herself on the 911 call. She could have also driven a "red pickup" that evening and it could have been her pickup seen at the railroad tracks.

Something else, immediately after the "Neves" blurp, you can hear Misty in the background hysterically asking Ron "What did you do with h------?" This simple little find last night sealed it for me that Misty was not in the MH nor was she suppose to be in the MH when Haleigh "disappeared".

 

[lonetraveler]

My understanding is for the most part PCSO told FBI their help wasn't needed.IMO.. Everyone involved with investigating this case needs to be invesitgated.JMHO

I did read somewhere that the FBI helped out with the phone records. That is all I know about the FBI's involvement except for what you posted that PCSO did not take their offer to help.

 

[krkrjx]

I've listened before when this was being discussed but I didn't have the speakers that I now have. I just suddenly realized that the odd sound I use to hear after the dispatcher asked "what's her middle name" was actually "Neves" and then a quick "that's my last name, not hers". I kept replaying and accidentally forwarded it a little too much and that is when I heard Misty in the background immediately following the "Neves" voice hysterically asking Ron "What did you do with her?". I'm glad I wasn't hallucinating and y'all hear it too.:crazy:

OK, I just listened again several times. I am convinced 100% that the person responding to the name questions is not Misty. It's just not her, no way...and it's certainly not Ron. Especially since in that time frame of several seconds I can hear Misty and Ron in the background. I don't know for sure what she's saying in the backround, but it is Misty. (I am not very convinced anymore that I hear yet another person, that I had mentioned in a previous post).

"That's my last name, not hers" is said by someone other than Misty or Ron. I hear what you are thinking is "Neves" and yes, it certainly could be...but I'm not fully convinced of that. My laptop does not have great speakers, though, so you and others might be able pick up more detail than I can. The person could just as easily have said "Yes" and then went on to say that was their last name not hers.

I cannot say I hear Misty asking Ron what he did with her...not saying it isn't what's said, just saying I can't say for sure that's what's on the tape given the speakers I am listening through.

 

[lonetraveler]

I've been having a problem lately with my left ear. Background noises on phone calls are so loud that it is painful. The person voice on the phone is normal, I'm just having problems with extremely loud noises in the background. I'm wondering if this is why I heard the background noises much more clearly than before...........:waitasec:

I'm going to replay (probably for multiple times) a section of Ron talking in the background in response to Misty asking him "What did you do with H......". Something strange in what I thought I heard (in my bad ear,LOL). I'll get back to y'all.:crazy: