General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[Emeralgem]

Have any of our locals said anything about if anyone was living in the Magnolia residence? Hank and Lisa moved so quickly into Tommy and Lindsy's home that noone noticed moving day, only Hank arrriving by ambulance to the Tyler address. Who moved their belongings? Just curious.:waitasec:

There is documented proof Hank Sr. and Lisa were living at 130 Magnolia Street when Haleigh was reported missing..Don't know where to locate the document but I saw the 130 Magnolia address listed on the Lien filed by Shands Hospital against Hank Sr..So that had to be the address given to Shands when he was taken to the hospital..JMHO

 

[justus4all]

Have any of our locals said anything about if anyone was living in the Magnolia residence? Hank and Lisa moved so quickly into Tommy and Lindsy's home that noone noticed moving day, only Hank arrriving by ambulance to the Tyler address. Who moved their belongings? Just curious.:waitasec:

They moved that quickly??????...Like within a day/few days after Feb 9th??? I was unaware of that fact....YIKES!!!!....

That is a great point....I would like to know more information about that myself...

I live out of state and know of no one to ask that lives there locally..

But we definately...need more information..on this......!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Emeralgem]

I wonder if she was injured fatally at one place and died at another. Because Ron never moved back into the MH. Gma Sykes said that Ron and most of the family broke down before they got to the steps to go inside.

The only reason I could see for Ron to not want to go into that house was to avoid memories of what happened there. Because if she was hurt/died at another location, Ron's MH should not have had family members breaking down at the thought of going in.

Ron went back to the MH..He even did televised interviews as did his mother and his grandmother...
I suspect IF he didn't want to go back and live in the MH it was because he was behind in his rent or he thought the MH may have been bugged...JMHO

 

[1Chump]

Ron went back to the MH..He even did televised interviews as did his mother and his grandmother...
I suspect IF he didn't want to go back and live in the MH it was because he was behind in his rent or he thought the MH may have been bugged...JMHO

Both GGma Sykes and Ron did interviews about how Ron could not go into that house. It was only after that Ron did a couple interviews.

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"She said she has dreaded the day when she would have to step foot inside the home. She went in to help straighten up the home from the way police left it after their search.

"The things that she played with the most are left out there right where they were. Her favorite stuff is there where she had it," Sykes said."

Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin, also entered the home to get some of their belongings. Family members said stepping into the once happy home was more pain than Cummings could bear.

"He tried to go back to the room from where his little girl was stolen. He couldn’t do it. He said he couldn’t do it, and we had to get him out of there," Sykes said.


http://www.news4jax.com/news/18864675/detail.html

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"I have to find somewhere else to live. I don’t want to go back down there. I'm going to send someone from my family or pay somebody -- something is going to happen and they're going to move the stuff from there. I can't do it," Cummings said.

http://www.cbs12.com/news/haleigh-4715335-cummings-time.html

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I can't find the one that talked about family members breaking down before they got on the steps.

But if Haleigh did not die there, why does even GGma Sykes dread going back in? Why did Ron break down? According to them, they still had hope she was alive so why was that MH so scary for them?

 

[Nonni Brenda]

tim mmiller on jvm

 

[dodie20]

The very first lie I caught was on NG. On Feb 11, ron stated they all slept in the same bed: On Feb 13, he made it clear Haleigh was in her own bed.

When asked how this got so acksbackwards, ron replied, "I haves NO idea, ms Nancy". Why didn't the producer pick this up is my quesito? He has NO idea? He is the one that confused the facts...and continues to do so. No one challanges him. He hides behind his attorney...who makes up stories to protect him. It reallly disgusts me.

We have four people who could be guilty of killing Haleigh and can't figure out which one. I bet if we had just a few pieces of what LE has, we could solve it in a NY minute.

Give me the crime scene photos and show me the phone records....then tell me what hours ron really worked..

...Why doesn't Satsuma even have a cell tower??? grrrrr.

I would love to go over those phone records. I did that for my daughter & it kept her out of court. The calls & texts to me from her cell, her 911 from the landline + the calls from her ex, while on her phone, (they were to his mom & friends & proved he was locked outside with her cell), to my 911 from my cell, & on & on. Those records told a very straight forward story & showed that the ex went after her, while she was trying to get away. I would imagine that these phone records would tell a story too.

 

[Whisperer]

I would love to go over those phone records. I did that for my daughter & it kept her out of court. The calls & texts to me from her cell, her 911 from the landline + the calls from her ex, while on her phone, (they were to his mom & friends & proved he was locked outside with her cell), to my 911 from my cell, & on & on. Those records told a very straight forward story & showed that the ex went after her, while she was trying to get away. I would imagine that these phone records would tell a story too.

I don't think they have all of them. There was a problem and I would love to hear about it.

If we could have seen the MH (assuming that it was the crime scene) we would have a better idea what happened. Somebody has those PICS. Was it a disorganized crime scene? I'm betting it was..

Those blankets on the ramp, that were posted does not sit well with me. I have defended them for a long time, knowing they had to separate scents but the way they are lying there seems like they were there from the beginning, like maybe before 911...IDK...it just looked odd. What was that brown looking bag laying next to the crumpled comfortor?

 

[blazeofglory]

i wonder if hc went in that van to jacksonville and was left there some where..theres a reason why jo keeps displaying that gun and making a bold statement if you cant remember it didnt happen..even after all the things said against him its still there..im still thinking maybe someone gave him that gun for his assisting in the coverup..and the last words said to him was if you cant remember it didnt happen..now i no who the controller is dont you?remember that statement jo got angry because there was a deceased hc there..maybe the scratch came from jacksonville..imo

 

[suspicious1]

Ron went back to the MH..He even did televised interviews as did his mother and his grandmother...
I suspect IF he didn't want to go back and live in the MH it was because he was behind in his rent or he thought the MH may have been bugged...JMHO

This is what I believed too...IMO, Ron thought that his home was bugged, or someone told him that LE did in fact bug his home. And scared of what that might reveal, Ron chose to go elsewhere. Wasn't they at one point scared that their cell phones had been bugged? If they were afraid that their cell phones had been bugged, there's no doubt in my mind, they thought the mh was too.

JMO of course

 

[Whisperer]

i wonder if hc went in that van to jacksonville and was left there some where..theres a reason why jo keeps displaying that gun and making a bold statement if you cant remember it didnt happen..even after all the things said against him its still there..im still thinking maybe someone gave him that gun for his assisting in the coverup..and the last words said to him was if you cant remember it didnt happen..now i no who the controller is dont you?remember that statement jo got angry because there was a deceased hc there..maybe the scratch came from jacksonville..imo

I don't understand what you mean about Jacksonville. Will you explain..thanks?

 

[watchinginky]

This is what I believed too...IMO, Ron thought that his home was bugged, or someone told him that LE did in fact bug his home. And scared of what that might reveal, Ron chose to go elsewhere. Wasn't they at one point scared that their cell phones had been bugged? If they were afraid that their cell phones had been bugged, there's no doubt in my mind, they thought the mh was too.

JMO of course

If you're not guilty, why do you care if those things are bugged? If you're not guilty of anything, you wouldn't have anything to hide. JMO

 

[suspicious1]

If you're not guilty, why do you care if those things are bugged? If you're not guilty of anything, you wouldn't have anything to hide. JMO

Absolutely. and also..... If your not guilty why would you even think that LE has bugged your home? What gave them that idea? IMO, they knew LE wasn't buying the story that they were selling, including Ron. Add that to, Ron stop cooperating and hired a Criminal Defense Attorney......imo, LE has never believed that Ron was innocent in all this and they made that perfectly clear to him. And because of that Ron thought they would bug his home, car, phones, etc....That's probably why a few of the Cummings felt the need to buy new cars after Haleigh disappeared...If it was known that Ron drove their cars too, maybe they all thought their cars would be bugged.....IDK...just throwing that out there.

JMO

 

[justus4all]

Absolutely. and also..... If your not guilty why would you even think that LE has bugged your home? What gave them that idea? IMO, they knew LE wasn't buying the story that they were selling, including Ron. Add that to, Ron stop cooperating and hired a Criminal Defense Attorney......imo, LE has never believed that Ron was innocent in all this and they made that perfectly clear to him. And because of that Ron thought they would bug his home, car, phones, etc....That's probably why a few of the Cummings felt the need to buy new cars after Haleigh disappeared...If it was known that Ron drove their cars too, maybe they all thought their cars would be bugged.....IDK...just throwing that out there.

JMO

These are great points you make here....

I agree.....Once Ron knew/felt/realized..the LE was not buying his sales pitch...he hired an attorney..to protect himself...and to speak for him in ways an attorney can...

Yes....Ron was probably paranoid...someone was going to hear him and Misty...have.... "conversations"........so he avoided ...everything...that could be bugged..

Guilty folks tend to do that very thing...They are extremely overly cautious in speaking...MOO

 

[Crosby87]

Boy, it would be great to know what time that call took place. I say rc called his momma complaining he had no babysitter and had to go to work (time unknown). He could have been at work and left the kids alone. I think that is highly possible because of the way he describes how he makes sure ALL the doors are locked before he leaves. Who buys that if has a sitter? What's the point of locking doors when an adult is still in the house. That guy is nuts, I tell you.

The other point is rc tells Cobra that LE wants to know what took so long for him to get home from work. Ron explains it by driving slowly and stopping at a store. He was proud he was on tape as he tells cobra all about it. Didn't we first hear about that tape and that it was recorded around 2:25am.?

TN is calling for misty to babysit and ron explains how he kissed misty, Haleigh and JR all goodbye at the Mh before he left for work...hmmm.[/QUOTE]

BBM

Hi Whisp!

ITA- what would be the point of having to ask her to babysit, if she were already there at the MH with the children? The problem is, who is it that is lying.... Neither TN nor RC place themselves at the MH anytime after Ron was suppose to leave for work. So how would either of them know anything about the events that took place at the MH unless they were there?

IMO, Ron left the children at the MH and locked them in.
as far as the drive home, i wonder if LE has Ron leaving much earlier on video from the parking lot of PDM...and that is why they are asking him why it took him so long to get home. (if the time stamp on the store video is right) maybe Ron got off work at midnight, and didn't work the overtime, maybe Ron didn't know there were cameras in the parking lot of PDM? therefore he is thinking LE has nothing but the store video of him... JMO

HaLeigh’s teacher, the AC man, Misty’s relatives, and possibly Ron's neighbors told LE whether Misty was staying at Ron's on Monday. TN said Misty returned to the trailer Sunday and they were fighting so obviously there was friction and unresolved issues between them. Therefore I believe Ron made all those phone calls to Misty Monday evening because he felt insecure when they were separated and because she was busy taking care of his kids, she got tired of his whining and turned her phone off. I do not think Misty would leave his kids alone; if she wanted to leave Ron, she would have left after he returned home and the kids were in his care. I really believe people have the wrong impression of Misty as an uncaring and unloving babysitter who didn't love HaLeigh and Junior. TN and CS said the kids adored her. Of course WBG is going to make derogatory comments about Misty; she left him and went back to Ron. Misty may have smoked pot, but that doesn't make her a druggie IMO just as drinking a few beer does not mean a person is an alcoholic. Misty told her father she didn't do pills and the reason she got involved in selling pills was because Ron didn't pay her for babysitting and she was desperate for money. IMO Ron was crushed when Misty left him and after HaLeigh went missing, he was free to take her places and wine and dine her. As crazy as it may seem, maybe Ron felt he needed to give up his daughter so he could have Misty.

The security guard at PDM Bridge said Ron took his children to work on 2 occasions and he checked on them periodically throughout his shift so the reason Ron took them to work rather than leave them alone in the trailer was so he could keep an eye on them, feed them, and take them to the toilet. Misty left on Wednesday, so it makes sense the days Ron took his children to work was on Thursday, Feb 5 and Friday, Feb 6. If Ron took his children to work with him on these two occasions so he could provide basic care for them, why do you think he would leave them unattended in the house Monday evening for 8-10 hours with no one there to protect them or feed them rather than take them to work with him again? The car was locked but he took them with him so he could care for them to the best of his ability under the circumstances.

 

[Whisperer]

First of all, an assumption is being made that he had the children with him on the 5th and the 6th. If he worked ten hour shifts, he was most likely not working on friday. I am not sure but I think it was in the early evening that rc made a trip to San Mateo and threw misty's clothes on Nay's mother's lawn. If he worked eight hour shifts, then he could have dropped the clothes on the lawn on his way to work. We have not been told EVER what his shift was. He has evaded giving the time himself when he relayed the story to Cobra about the LE wanting to know what took him so long getting home from work that night.

To my kge, we don't know when ron left the children in the car. Heck, we don't even know his hours but I suspect they were around 3:30 or 4:30 to midnight or 1:00am.

I don't think we can assume just because he left his children in the car a few times at work that he wouldn't leave them alone in the house for a few hours. That is making a leap. He may have left them till he can round somebody up to babysit.

Ron lied or so it appears because he left everyone with the impression that everything was wonderful at the MH before he went to work. He said he kissed misty and the kids, told them he loved them and he'd see them all when he got home from work....a real Walton Pictorial.

I don't think everything was lovey-dovey when he left for work, do you? There was trouble brewing and this trouble just adds more controversy to what happened to Haleigh.

 

[Whisperer]

What really fries my fritters with this case is...the lies start before Haleigh even goes missing. Unless he is really a compulsive liar and misty was telling the truth about the morning, then there is a problem and we have to figure out why the lying started so soon.

 

[justus4all]

I can't help but wonder what all Jr. has remembered about that night, and what he has told LE...:waitasec:

I wonder as well.....Here are my thoughts as of today...(they could change at a moment's notice, tho)

IMO...Someone had Junior..while the cover up was being done..

IMO..Someone brought Junior to Ron's house..around the time the 911 call was being made....(he HAS to be present when the LE get there)

IMO..Because of the late hour (3:20 or so ) Junior...most likely ..was sleeping..and NOT in his bed at Ron's...He was probably sleeping in someone's vehicle...waiting to be taken inside Ron's...at the right time..

IMO..Junior would not be left out in a vehicle to sleep during the visit from the LE...due to the fact...Misty was saying...Haleigh was STOLEN....and if Junior was left sleeping unattended in a vehicle parked outside would not be a believeable story to LE...

IMO..Junior would then most likely be in the MH while the LE was there, altho there is no noise/speaking/crying/ or anyone heard talking to him during the 911 call...

IMO..I doubt ....that if Junior was carried asleep or partly awake into the MH, then the activity from the LE being there, and the commotion going on with questions and Ron's behavior...that Junior could remember anything about going to bed THERE in the MH. He had not been there..

IMO...He may be able to remember WHERE HE WAS ..WHEN HE WENT to sleep...3 year olds could probably know this...

IMO...Junior was not PUT TO BED for the night at Ron's....

IMO...the squeaky shoes and man in black...as someone had suggested..is what he maybe remembering from that night...(the LE.)..

It would be interesting to be a "fly on the wall" and hear what Junior told an investigator..WHERE he went to sleep that night...

Was there a truck seen parked near the MH that night???...Whose truck??
Could a child have been sleeping in it at 3 in the A.M.???
Could TN have brought Junior to Ron's??? waiting for the 911 call???

all in my own opinion...

 

[blazeofglory]

I don't understand what you mean about Jacksonville. Will you explain..thanks?

whisp not trying to confuse you just thinking outside the box a little,,thats all i can say..

 

[dodie20]

I wonder as well.....Here are my thoughts as of today...(they could change at a moment's notice, tho)

IMO...Someone had Junior..while the cover up was being done..

IMO..Someone brought Junior to Ron's house..around the time the 911 call was being made....(he HAS to be present when the LE get there)

IMO..Because of the late hour (3:20 or so ) Junior...most likely ..was sleeping..and NOT in his bed at Ron's...He was probably sleeping in someone's vehicle...waiting to be taken inside Ron's...at the right time..

IMO..Junior would not be left out in a vehicle to sleep during the visit from the LE...due to the fact...Misty was saying...Haleigh was STOLEN....and if Junior was left sleeping unattended in a vehicle parked outside would not be a believeable story to LE...

IMO..Junior would then most likely be in the MH while the LE was there, altho there is no noise/speaking/crying/ or anyone heard talking to him during the 911 call...

IMO..I doubt ....that if Junior was carried asleep or partly awake into the MH, then the activity from the LE being there, and the commotion going on with questions and Ron's behavior...that Junior could remember anything about going to bed THERE in the MH. He had not been there..

IMO...He may be able to remember WHERE HE WAS ..WHEN HE WENT to sleep...3 year olds could probably know this...

IMO...Junior was not PUT TO BED for the night at Ron's....

IMO...the squeaky shoes and man in black...as someone had suggested..is what he maybe remembering from that night...(the LE.)..

It would be interesting to be a "fly on the wall" and hear what Junior told an investigator..WHERE he went to sleep that night...

Was there a truck seen parked near the MH that night???...Whose truck??
Could a child have been sleeping in it at 3 in the A.M.???
Could TN have brought Junior to Ron's??? waiting for the 911 call???

all in my own opinion...

Ron's attitude about the gun fight & his attitude about Jr's account of the man in black, are very similar. Since he has now admitted to lying about the gun, I'm thinking it's gonna come out that he was lying about this too. It's MOO, judging from Ron's reaction, that what Jr told is related to Haleigh's abduction, & not to LE. It's gonna be interesting to see what all he admits to lying about.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I wonder as well.....Here are my thoughts as of today...(they could change at a moment's notice, tho)

IMO...Someone had Junior..while the cover up was being done..

IMO..Someone brought Junior to Ron's house..around the time the 911 call was being made....(he HAS to be present when the LE get there)

IMO..Because of the late hour (3:20 or so ) Junior...most likely ..was sleeping..and NOT in his bed at Ron's...He was probably sleeping in someone's vehicle...waiting to be taken inside Ron's...at the right time..

IMO..Junior would not be left out in a vehicle to sleep during the visit from the LE...due to the fact...Misty was saying...Haleigh was STOLEN....and if Junior was left sleeping unattended in a vehicle parked outside would not be a believeable story to LE...

IMO..Junior would then most likely be in the MH while the LE was there, altho there is no noise/speaking/crying/ or anyone heard talking to him during the 911 call...

IMO..I doubt ....that if Junior was carried asleep or partly awake into the MH, then the activity from the LE being there, and the commotion going on with questions and Ron's behavior...that Junior could remember anything about going to bed THERE in the MH. He had not been there..

IMO...He may be able to remember WHERE HE WAS ..WHEN HE WENT to sleep...3 year olds could probably know this...

IMO...Junior was not PUT TO BED for the night at Ron's....

IMO...the squeaky shoes and man in black...as someone had suggested..is what he maybe remembering from that night...(the LE.)..

It would be interesting to be a "fly on the wall" and hear what Junior told an investigator..WHERE he went to sleep that night...

Was there a truck seen parked near the MH that night???...Whose truck??
Could a child have been sleeping in it at 3 in the A.M.???
Could TN have brought Junior to Ron's??? waiting for the 911 call???

all in my own opinion...

I wonder if maybe the man in black and squeaky shoes that Jr. refers to is LE? If he was put in the MH after the fact maybe that is what he remembers from that night? I am still wondering about the man in black carrying Haleigh out of the home. Not sure where I got that one from, I have heard so many versions as to what Jr. may or may not of seen. But if all he recalls is a man in black and squeaky shoes I would assume he could be referring to LE.

If he recalls a bouncing couch it could of been Ron and Misty fighting before the 911 call. If he recalls the man in black taking Haleigh out of the MH, then maybe it was someone he knew very well and that is why the "man in black" came in with a ski mask on his face? So many versions it's hard to even come up with a theory.