General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[lonetraveler]

Ok ya'll, I've been thinking about a few things today:

Here is what I think is going on in this case overall:

I believe that we are looking at a 4 part crime and this is what I mean....

Snipped: My comments in blue:

Wow, I had to cut and paste this in Word to read at my leisure and give my two cents worth. My comments are in blue………

I believe that we are looking at a 4 part crime and this is what I mean....
1. I believe that there is one murderer-whether it be someone who gave Haleigh drugs, shot her, raped and strangled her, hit her in the head with a board (I hated typing that), there is only one person who is responsible. This person would have the most to lose in this whole situation. I also agree that one person killed Haleigh rather with drugs or other violence.

2. But then we have the clean-up/disposal....I believe that there's several people involved in this part of the crime, not many, maybe 2 or 3...these were the ones that helped dispose of Haleigh's body (wrapping her in a blanket, putting her in trash bag or whatever), and took Haleigh somewhere else....it is my opinion that this part of the crime was the most gruesome task of all.
I also believe that there are more people involved in the cover-up than the person who killed Haleigh. If Misty was at the MH when Haleigh was killed I believe that she was threatened and probably beaten into agreeing to help with the cover-up. Even if Misty wasn’t there during the time that Haleigh was killed, she, IMO, was coerced and cajoled sometime that night into coming over to babysat with the children by Teresa Neves. It was absolutely imperative that Misty be there at the MH to call 911 in order for the plan to work. Ron had to be at work! Misty had to be at the MH! Either Ron or Teresa had placed Haleigh at the dumpster until someone could come over to remove the body. I do believe that Misty called her family to help and most likely only told them what she was told to tell them or maybe Misty only knows what the Cummings told her as to what happened to Haleigh. Misty was told that she would be supported 100% by the Cummings/Neves/Sykes and that Ron would marry her and take care of her if she would help them.

3. Then there's the Disposal/Burial-this was, to say the least, Haleigh's proper Good Bye. In this part of the crime I think there is at least 2 people involved. I think this is where Haleigh is eventually laid to rest whether it be the river, underground, or wherever. IMO, this part was to honor Haleigh and say good bye. This is a place where Haleigh can be visited on occasion, IMO. I agree with you 100% on this theory. There is no way in hell that I believe that Ron’s family would have allowed Haleigh to be thrown into the river for the alligators and the crabs. I think that there were explicit instructions on where to put Haleigh’s body so that someone else could come along later, retrieve her and take her to her final resting place.

4. Then here's comes the overall cover-up- in this part of the crime, a plan is devised that is to be played out in front of the world (or at least LE)....like who would play the main role (and ultimately become the "key"), the 911 call, staging of the mh, removing any drugs, the marriage, the divorce.... Yep, you’re right. Someone in the family was definitely calling the shots and making sure that all the details were taken care of. IMO, the pot plants discovered at the Mondex were taken from Jr.’s bedroom by Tommy and Timmy in the van. Guns and other drugs were also taken and hidden to be retrieved at a later date.

IMO, that's why this case has not been solved...there's too many parts to uncover and too many people involved in the whole scheme of things. You would have to play the game of process of elimination in all parts of this crime.

Who is the main one responsible? IMO, I would have to say Misty, Ron, Teresa, or GMSykes. Misty because she has placed herself as the last one to be with Haleigh and has failed many LDT's. Ron because his suspicious behavior before, during and after Haleigh "disappeared" just did not (to me) add up to him being a grieving father. Teresa because she has been a central figure in this case from the start (in her LE jacket, picture and all), and had her share of suspicious behavior. GMSykes because she puts herself at the mh on the evening something happened to Haleigh and admits to changing Haleigh's shirt, although we could never get a clear description of what Haleigh had on. These are the 4 people I put into this category.

The main one responsible? Well, I’ll start with GMSykes. I do believe that she came over to the MH that evening. I think that she came to bring Haleigh’s favorite outfit and to say goodbye and to pick up Jr. If and I say a big IF a nurse came over, I think it could be a nurse, in the Sykes family, to determine that Haleigh was actually dead. GMSykes would not believe it until she saw it for herself. That is when Teresa went over the “plan” with GMSykes. Telling her only what she needed to know in order to protect Ron’s hide, which was the main objective.

Who did the clean-up/disposal? I believe that this is where Tommy comes into play. I don't think Tommy would've or could've completed this task all by himself. Those that were more than likely to help Tommy would be JO, Misty, or Timmy. I just don't think Jo had anything to do with it because it just seem too convenient to point the finger at him...and Timmy moved away pretty fast to me (which was suspect)and the blue van was in his possession.... and I believe Misty was the reason for Tommy even agreeing to go along with any of it. So, IMO, that leaves Timmy and Misty.

I think that you are totally correct in this part of the theory. Only I think that Tommy and Timmy got pulled into this because they thought that they were protecting their little sister.

One thing that I am sure of is Tommy played a part. He and the others had the most gruesome task...preparing Haleigh to be taken away. and the only way either of them would participate in the clean-up/disposal is if one of them 3 actually killed Haleigh or they were led to believe that one of the 3 had killed her. Out of these 3, the only one on my who's responsible list is Misty. IMO, Tommy came to Misty's aid in this situation and only because he thought that she was responsible or would be held responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh. I think Tommy was given instructions as to where to take Haleigh. And I believe that the instruction came from Misty as she had been given the location by Ron (via phone)...I think Ron led Tommy to believe that they were all trying to help Misty out. which is why there was no clear answer as to what the call was about around 9pm. Problem is Tommy knows nothing factual about before and after the clean-up/disposal....Tommy could not tell his part of the crime because 1. he didn't know exactly how Haleigh died and where she ended up (her final resting spot), therefore knowing he could not lead LE to Haleigh's body even if he wanted to, and 2. If he told his part of the story about moving Haleigh's dead body somewhere else, he knew many other questions would follow that he had no answer for. like how did Haleigh die, where is she now? And that's exactly what happened after Tommy had his "godly moment" and told LE about the dock because is participation only included taking a dead Haleigh to the dock. And I believe that's why we also seen Misty at the dock...Tommy told LE Misty gave him the instruction to do so. I believe that's why the Croslins had to come up with with their own cover story for this part....hence, the JO story....Tommy starting throwing out all these stories in an attempt to explain his part of the crime. In his attempt he had to try and explain the who, what, when, why, how, and where. Now, I believe that Tommy knew first hand the what, when, and where: referring to his part in this, which is incriminating enough. He knew Haleigh had died, hours before the 911 call, and he was instructed to take Haleigh to the dock...but he does not know or was lied to about the who, why and how. That's why we heard about Jo, the gun, and Haleigh being taken because of the gun.

I do not think that Misty harmed Haleigh. I believe that Ron harmed Haleigh while enraged and fighting with Misty.

LE wanted the whole story from Tommy, something that he did not have, so he made up most of it because he had already opened up to some involvement, KWIM? IMO, Tommy only knew what Misty had told him regarding the rest of the story....As time passed, I think Tommy started to doubt whether Misty was the main one responsible and that she was possibly covering for Ron. Tommy stated this in a few of the jailhouse recordings. I also think when Tommy started to put it together...he received threats and a dead rat in his mailbox. I believe that not only had he began to figure some things out...so did Timmy and he took his family and left Satsuma. That's why Tommy said he felt his sister had him caught up in this mess. If you think about it....she did. That's why Tommy can't say for sure that Ron is the main one responsible. Would Tommy cover for Ron? Is a question I hear often on here....truth is IMO, Tommy thought he was in this for his sister not Ron....so him covering for his sister made him also seem to be covering for Ron, but I don't think that's the case. IMO, had Tommy known that all of this was because of Ron or any other Cummings, he would have NOT helped Misty in any way concerning Haleigh. So Tommy, Misty, Timmy, and Ron (via phone) is who I think is apart of this. Although, Misty and Ron are on my who's responsible list.

Who did the disposal/burial? IMO, this is where the Cummings clan take over. and I believe they retrieved Haleigh from the dock and buried her underground somewhere close to that area...I believe they kept Haleigh in this area simply because Tommy had already admitted to taken her there and being told to do so by Misty...so Misty also knew about the dock. It would still point the finger at Tommy and Misty, if Haleigh had been found there, KWIM? As far as the disposal/burial...IMO, that would be Teresa, GMSykes, and/or Ron. It was their attempt to honor Haleigh and give her a proper burial. If we consider Ron's alibi, he was at work...that leaves Teresa and GMSykes. I know some may be disgusted by this accusation but I really do believe this...why would they do this? Honestly I can see no other reason but to protect one of their own as being the one responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh...while showing their love to Haleigh...who would they protect? Themselves or Ron....that leads me back to who's responsible and all three of them (Ron/Teresa/GMSykes) are on that list. But if we stick with Ron's alibi, that leaves only Teresa and GMSykes physically capable of the handling the disposal/Burial. And before some of you throw tomatoes, it is not too far fetched...when Misty warned them about the dock search...both of these ladies searched the woods for hours...so who's to say they had not done it before? If Haleigh was buried there, there is no doubt that Teresa would tell Ron where Haleigh is.

I can’t see GMSykes and Teresa Neves actually burying Haleigh, however, I can see them getting Ron’s Uncle or Father involved in doing the actual task since they were going to be in the public’s eye for awhile and could not leave to accomplish this dirty deed.
I don't think that Misty accompanied them to bury Haleigh...and that's why Misty can't lead LE to Haleigh's body either. If she could I think she would've done it long ago. But she can't and IMO, it was planned out that way. I agree, it was planned out this way. NO way, no how could they let anyone outside of the Cummings clan know where Haleigh is buried.

Some of the people involved have limited information but there are a few who knows every detail...IMO, the spotlight has been put on the ones with limited information....including Misty and she's supposedly the "key".

Then we have the overall cover-up:
I believe there was a "round table" discussion( ) as to who was going to say what once the police were brought in. What to say, what not to say, how to act, how not to act, and most importantly the sketchy details of what had transpired the whole day. Now as far as the cover-up, some things Misty could not keep straight and often relied on Ron to save her by injecting details that he would have not possibly known if he was at work when it all occurred. like where everybody was sleeping. That tells me that Ron is included in this part of the crime also...Everyone had a story to tell and Ron had the most simple story "I was at work". Because, he was and LE could prove it. and that built up confidence in Ron...he felt untouchable...but the moment Ron would realize that Misty was not keeping the story straight, either he would straighten it out or remain silent. I didn't have a problem with him remaining silent, it was when he tried to straighten it out, that really bothered me. But what stood out to me is that some of the basic things that Misty should've known for sure if she was there, she did not know...like what Haleigh had on because of this I don't think Misty is the "one" responsible and that leaves Ron, GMSykes, Teresa.

Everyone that was involved in the first 3 parts, became part of the cover-up. That would be Misty, Teresa, GMSykes, Ron, Tommy, and/or Timmy. Therefore, they could either remain silent and appear to be a non player in this, which I think Tommy and Timmy tried to do....or they could take over the spotlight at times to "deflect", whether it be defending/praising another key player, or screwing with the timeline in some way. Tommy tried to remain quiet but when the spotlight was put on him, he used it to "deflect". Teresa jumped in the spotlight quick...right out the gate..to "deflect"....who then pulled in GMSykes to help "deflect"....and IMO, when things got too hot, Teresa and GMSykes tried to remain silent...like after the drug bust. The Cummings did a "360" on Misty...so why the change of heart? IMO, they knew a few key players had been put in positions where it was "do or die" "talk or walk"....Ron, Misty, and Tommy. and that's why Teresa seems worried and asks Ron if he thinks Misty is going to talk....Ron's response (if completely innocent) should've been about how he hoped that she would talk so that they could find Haleigh...but instead he warned Teresa that the phone call was being recorded. That told me they both knew why it would not be a good thing for Misty to talk. And they also knew it would not be good for Ron to talk so GMSykes warned him about the snitches in jail.

IMO, there is a cover-up inside of a cover-up, if that makes sense...and that's why LE was having a hard time solving this case. Problem is Tommy's cover up for his part, distorted the bigger picture...the part that included the Cummings and that's why some people can't see it and don't want to see it. The part that Tommy played was the most gruesome and some people think that the bus stops there...but it doesn't nor does it stop at Misty. IMO Ron did not get his hands dirty but he had a hand in orchestrating the cover-up. I do believe this. And out of all the people involved the only real threat to him is Misty. Because she knows enough.

After the dock search....LE said there were multiple persons of interest and one of them was going to be a surprise to everyone. IMO, the surprise POI, is going to be someone who had injected themselves into this case as a supporter of some sort.....trying to appear forthcoming and truthful in the matter. The surprise POI is not going to be someone we have never heard about. IMO, it's going to be someone a part of this case, someone who has tried to appear as an innocent bystander and/or victim. It's not going to be someone who already been put into the spotlight as to having something to do with Haleigh's demise either....like JO.

IMO, the surprise is going to be either Teresa or GMSykes. Ron has received a plea deal for information that he has regarding Haleigh...and it was valuable enough for him to get a deal. So I'm thinking that he may not be "the one' responsible either but assisted in other parts of the tragedy.....so would Ron cover for?? No way would he cover for Misty, nor any of the Croslins....but he would cover for one of his own....Teresa or GMSykes.

This I whole heartedly agree with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I truly hope that LE has been this dilligent and open-minded and have come to the right conclusion and have not worn blinders and have been too focused on the wrong person.

 

[lonetraveler]

I've said before that I think that it is possible that Haleigh was molested. She might have threatened to tell her dad, which could have triggered a killing. Really, the only things that could explain Haleigh's murder would be the need to cover up some sort of abuse or the desire to kill for its own sake, either out of anger or for some kind of psychopathic pleasure.

I could imagine in the beginning that someone would stage an abduction to cover an accidental death by overdose, but once Misty and Tommy admitted they were present, what would be the point of denying an accidental death? Then they could be charged with some kind of failure to report a death, obstruction, or child neglect--but not murder or the death penalty. It's not like everyone doesn't know by now that there were drugs in the house and the whole bunch is in prison for drug trafficking anyway. Once they admitted being present, then, and had no reason to cover up the whole drug involvement, then we are left with abuse that went too far or some intentional act of evil. I keep thinking about the "bouncing couch" and Misty's early reports that she had been molested by family members. Her own tale of molestation may or may not be true, but it's possible that she had the right action but the wrong victim.

I can agree that there is a possibility that Haleigh may have been molested but I also see that she could have been molested by any male that she was exposed to, including who she was living with, for that matter. We simply do not know what went on in that household. Haleigh is gone and she can not speak for herself. I don't trust anyone in either of the three families at this point.

 

[txsvicki]

I don't think that Misty would cover for anyone at all except for herself at this point. Timmy/Chelsea might cover up helping for fear of losing his children, and so might Lindsay if she helped. But, I don't believe that Tommy would cover for anyone to protect his kids since he didn't mind doing drugs around children and getting so high that he couldn't even leave the bus stop. By deduction and Misty and Tommy claiming to know that Haleigh is dead, it's either got to be Misty alone, Misty really being asleep, or Tommy alone. It might be Misty and Tommy helping each other out of fear that they would be charged with murder though, but doesn't seem very logical unless they were doing drugs together and they both gave Haleigh some. None of them would cover for Ron this long, and crazy to think that Tommy wouldn't have told by now if Misty called him to help dispose of Haleigh. I keep going back to Jr. saying that two black men visited Misty and the couch was bouncing.

 

[dodie20]

I don't think that Misty would cover for anyone at all except for herself at this point. Timmy/Chelsea might cover up helping for fear of losing his children, and so might Lindsay if she helped. But, I don't believe that Tommy would cover for anyone to protect his kids since he didn't mind doing drugs around children and getting so high that he couldn't even leave the bus stop. By deduction and Misty and Tommy claiming to know that Haleigh is dead, it's either got to be Misty alone, Misty really being asleep, or Tommy alone. It might be Misty and Tommy helping each other out of fear that they would be charged with murder though, but doesn't seem very logical unless they were doing drugs together and they both gave Haleigh some. None of them would cover for Ron this long, and crazy to think that Tommy wouldn't have told by now if Misty called him to help dispose of Haleigh. I keep going back to Jr. saying that two black men visited Misty and the couch was bouncing.

this is assuming that Misty isn't the killer...I don't get the impression that she has been actively covering for anybody, not even herself. more like going with the flow, & not snitching, because it would just cause more trouble. But, now that's she's in jail, & realizes that this could be the rest of her life, I think she's gonna talk. I do believe that Tommy came up with the Joe story, & convinced Misty to go along. IMO, it had Tommy's signature all over it. It was all Tommy, all the way, & Misty was relegated to the background. So, now that it's gotten to the point of either actively covering for someone, or snitching, I think Misty's gonna snitch.

 

[B4igo2it]

another oddity in this whole ordeal ...

I find it totally odd that the actual Cummings family has not been mentioned, seen, or heard from throughout this whole ordeal. I mean, was Ronald's father even in court???? Ronald is facing a major life changing event; removed from society for a long time.
Is Ronald only a Cummings in name only or what's the deal here?
Are they laying low? Could care less about Ronald?
Were the Cummings even there at his wedding?
weird....

 

[B4igo2it]

3 mysteries …

1) Ronald made 90+ phone calls from work that night ....
well, I'd like to know just who in the heck was he calling?

Per Misty conversation with her father in a jail audio: "When I called him that night, how come he didn't answer the phone? I called and called and he didn't answer the phone. And then as soon as I open the door he's there.” (the night of HaLeigh's abduction)

2) Jr states someone in black took his sissy …
3) On the 911 call Ronald says, “they better bring f’ing something out here- because if I get my hands on that mother f’er I’m going to kill him…I don’t give a f%*)@# about prison…mother F’ing prison doesn’t scare me.”

Per Misty conversation with her father in the same jail audio: "Then why did that black guy say that some people had her and he was going to go back and get her. But if he told, if Ronald told, then he would come to kill him. There's all this that they don't even look at. They just wanna look at me."

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/201...tter-misty-croslin-is-still-pointing-fingers/

also in that same conversation, she tells her father about GGMS/TN using HaLeigh to get her to come back. She tells him that they used her ...

IMO; this conversation between Misty and her father, is the most important thing that we have heard from her. Misty had done a lot of thinking of all that has taken place, and of course she no longer had the drugs in her system that clouded and distorted her thought processes. She no longer had Ronald and Company breathing down her back, trying to brainwash and manipulate her. It was at this point that she came to realize that Ronald and Company were trying to pin a murder on her.

It is also my belief that Misty is too immature to handle the situation she is in; I hope her attorney is doing all he can do for her. She has no one else ... she needs psychological counseling IMO.

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oops, forgot to add this relating to Jr's statement:
When Vieira (on the Today Show) asked about a report that his son Ronald Cummings Jr. -who turned 4 in mid February- said a man wearing black came into the mobile home and took Haleigh, Cummings argued that story was "garbage" that cable news show host Geraldo Riveria and Haleigh and Ronald Jr.'s mother Crystal Sheffield "made up." (this is also an interesting photo IMO at link below)
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090313/ARTICLES/903130983

 

[little lulu]

I don't think that Misty would cover for anyone at all except for herself at this point. Timmy/Chelsea might cover up helping for fear of losing his children, and so might Lindsay if she helped. But, I don't believe that Tommy would cover for anyone to protect his kids since he didn't mind doing drugs around children and getting so high that he couldn't even leave the bus stop. By deduction and Misty and Tommy claiming to know that Haleigh is dead, it's either got to be Misty alone, Misty really being asleep, or Tommy alone. It might be Misty and Tommy helping each other out of fear that they would be charged with murder though, but doesn't seem very logical unless they were doing drugs together and they both gave Haleigh some. None of them would cover for Ron this long, and crazy to think that Tommy wouldn't have told by now if Misty called him to help dispose of Haleigh. I keep going back to Jr. saying that two black men visited Misty and the couch was bouncing.

That's why I keep going back to the two of them together...they did this together, one can't tell the truth without implicating themselves, they have no great love for each other ....either one would turn in the other except BOTH are involved in this.
I realize that LE has to have enough evidence to convict...but both were there and have placed themselves there that night...I just don't understand WHY 20 months have gone by and these two have lied, cost the state of Florida unknown amounts of money and time, they don't care...only for themselves. There is no conscience...
I have very serious doubts about LE there... Haleigh deserves justice, and am very fearful she may never get it.
JMO....but thanks for letting me vent

 

[lil momma]

3 mysteries …

1) Ronald made 90+ phone calls from work that night ....
well, I'd like to know just who in the heck was he calling?

Per Misty conversation with her father in a jail audio: "When I called him that night, how come he didn't answer the phone? I called and called and he didn't answer the phone. And then as soon as I open the door he's there.” (the night of HaLeigh's abduction)

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ITA B4! BBM



I wish the article was still available, but way back in the beginning, there was an article that stated that it was Misty calling Ron several times, and all of her calls to him went unanswered. I always kinda kept that in the back of my head.

I even at one time, thought that maybe Misty and Ron switched phones when she got off from 911. (so when LE asked for the numbers and the providers information, and pulled the records, it would appear, that it was Ron calling Misty, and not Misty calling Ron)

JMO

 

[suspicious1]

3 mysteries …

1) Ronald made 90+ phone calls from work that night ....
well, I'd like to know just who in the heck was he calling?

Per Misty conversation with her father in a jail audio: "When I called him that night, how come he didn't answer the phone? I called and called and he didn't answer the phone. And then as soon as I open the door he's there.” (the night of HaLeigh's abduction)

Snip~


ITA B4! BBM



I wish the article was still available, but way back in the beginning, there was an article that stated that it was Misty calling Ron several times, and all of her calls to him went unanswered. I always kinda kept that in the back of my head.

I even at one time, thought that maybe Misty and Ron switched phones when she got off from 911. (so when LE asked for the numbers and the providers information, and pulled the records, it would appear, that it was Ron calling Misty, and not Misty calling Ron)

JMO

wow, Lil Momma...I had never thought of that...it would make sense...Misty is claiming to have been calling Ron and those calls went unanswered....Ron is claiming that he kept trying to call Misty and his calls were unanswered...IMO, you can't have it both ways....the only constant I see is that one of the phones were going to show repeated unanswered calls to another phone supposedly carried by the other....now we know Misty had to have a phone because she was seen around 3am, talking on it....we know that Ron had a phone because he was able to call Tommy around 9pm.....there was only one phone number on the police report...which IMO, is the one that sent all the unanswered phone calls...so who had that particular phone that night?

This is driving me crazy!

On February 9th, 2009, was Misty using a phone under Teresa's phone plan? I can't remember.

 

[djdj247]

I've thought to myself many times, if I only knew what LE knew. I'm starting to think that even if I had every piece of evidence that LE has, I would be no closer to knowing the truth. If LE is truly relying on the words of Misty, Tommy or Ron... this case is never going to be solved. It seems to me like LE is just pressing, perhaps trying to force a confession out of someone... anyone that will slip up and do it... whether it's the truth or not. I think it's LE that has pushed and forced alot of these stories we have heard... "joe did it"... wait we still dont have enough evidence - how bout "tommy did it"... I'm starting to feel like LE is using intimidation tactics to force these words out of MC and ToC... and Ron just sits back and goes "hmmm... sure I guess that could work for me". Maybe if they start pushing the "Ron did it" story they will get somewhere! JMO! Obviously, LE doesn't have enough evidence to make a case against anyone... 20 months out and the case status is STILL: Misty is the key. No duh, it's been that way since day one. They have given no indication that they are anywhere close to making an arrest. MOO, it is LE that is trying to force a story to fit their flimsy evidence. Every time we think something is about to break, it doesn't. JMO!!!

I hope I am wrong... but once Misty is sentenced and sent off to DOC... this case is going to go cold!

I guess I'm just frustrated... what happened to this poor little girl!!! Thank you all for letting me vent.

 

[lil momma]

wow, Lil Momma...I had never thought of that...it would make sense...Misty is claiming to have been calling Ron and those calls went unanswered....Ron is claiming that he kept trying to call Misty and his calls were unanswered...IMO, you can't have it both ways....the only constant I see is that one of the phones were going to show repeated unanswered calls to another phone supposedly carried by the other....now we know Misty had to have a phone because she was seen around 3am, talking on it....we know that Ron had a phone because he was able to call Tommy around 9pm.....there was only one phone number on the police report...which IMO, is the one that sent all the unanswered phone calls...so who had that particular phone that night?

This is driving me crazy!

On February 9th, 2009, was Misty using a phone under Teresa's phone plan? I can't remember.

that is one question, i too would like the answer to...lol. IIRC, someone saying that Ron and Misty were on TN plan. But i also entertained the thought of having disposible phones either (pay by the minute)

Personally LE should have pulled the phone records on both phones. i just thought that b/c they were on TN's plan that all numbers on the plan would show and LE would have ALL the records of all the phones on the plan, hence being able to tell who called and when.

I agree, this is driving me crazy too...to the point, i wake thinking of HaLeigh, i go to sleep thinking of HaLeigh. HaLeigh's case has consumed my entire life..... it is crazy, i never even met the beautiful child and feel like she is my own.....(i think of her that often)

JMO

 

[B4igo2it]

FYI: Ronald has been moved from Putnam County jail, from what I can tell at this point, they are processing him at the dept of corrections. I do not know which unit he is being sent to thus far. Peachy started a post so I am sure it will be updated accordingly.

running out of time Misty ... you are the only one left to be sentenced.

 

[tehcloser]

Can I start a thread and call it "ppppffffftttttt"? Because I'm calling bullchit on this whole mess.

 

[SweetDreamOfYou]

I have had as many theories as I have unwanted ants at a picnic with this case.
I got to thinking about those stories of a missing Mexican and started wondering if, maybe it really is Misty and Tommy responsible for Haleigh missing.
Maybe Ron's covering his behind for another murder they know about. It would tie all these people together, and explain everyone willing to cover up and keep quiet.
There's no way Ron is completely innocent as far as i can see and in moo. He just acts too guilty. But explaining everyone covering for him from the Croslin side is just so perplexing.
So that's my theory for the day.

 

[mikeysmommom]

IMO if Misty is the one who killed Haleigh, It was for money and jealousy.The timing of Haleigh s disappearance was right after Caylee's Memorial.Maybe she was jealous and upset because Haleigh was Ron s princess and he did not want a baby with Misty.IMO Misty wanted Ron s child and she might have taken it out on Haleigh.Also for quite awhile the Anthony family was getting a lot of money from donations and then Casey made a fortune for selling her dead daughters pictures.Misty might have figured it was one way to get the money she likes, and maybe get rid of a child she was jealous of.JMO

 

[justus4all]

I have re thought my theory...Just about the same but with just a few tweaks...

Original theory............Misty and Ron were together when Haleigh met her demise.
Tweaked theory..........Misty was not present when Haleigh met her demise..and doesn't know how Haleigh died.

Original theory............Misty was babysitting Haleigh and Junior But not at Ron's...but at the Magnolia residence..Misty's parents..

Tweaked theory..........Misty was not babysitting that day at all..She was at the Magnolia residence..Ron picked Haleigh up at the bus stop that day and TN was in the car. It was TN babysitting the kids at Ron's...so he could go to work...but Misty was later called by TN to come to Ron's MH to babysit and TN said she would pay her..and Misty agreed to come over. BUT....What time was that??? the million $$$ question..

IMO...Something happened to Haleigh after she was picked up by Ron...and before Ron went to work and later Misty was called by TN to come to Ron MH 's to babysit the kids..to set Misty up..

IMO..Altho Ron could have caused Haleigh's demise and left for work..Perhaps it was TN as the last person to SEE Haleigh,....instead of Misty the last one....because...IMO...Misty doesn't know what happened to Haleigh...If Misty had been there when Haleigh met her demise...she WOULD know...
moo

 

[Crosby87]

IMO if Misty is the one who killed Haleigh, It was for money and jealousy.The timing of Haleigh s disappearance was right after Caylee's Memorial.Maybe she was jealous and upset because Haleigh was Ron s princess and he did not want a baby with Misty.IMO Misty wanted Ron s child and she might have taken it out on Haleigh.Also for quite awhile the Anthony family was getting a lot of money from donations and then Casey made a fortune for selling her dead daughters pictures.Misty might have figured it was one way to get the money she likes, and maybe get rid of a child she was jealous of.JMO

The day after HaLeigh went missing Ron's friend, the one that runs that funeral home I believe, announced a bank account had been set up so Ron could receive donations and money jars were placed in various places which Ron dipped his hands into. The one billboard that went up for HaLeigh was donated by Crime Stoppers. Ron didn’t tell Chelsea what he planned to do for HaLeigh with the money he collected and Chelsea said she saw a man pull up on a 3-wheeler and hand Ron a cheque for $10,000. Ron also flashed a wad of cash that he carried in his pocket in front of her. Ron was able to quit work, get tattoos free-of-charge, hire a lawyer, collect $12000 from Crystal, get married, pay fines and Court costs, appear on Talk Shows, and travel after his daughter disappeared.

Ron refused to pay for meals in restaurants and IIRC his wedding was paid for. I doubt Ron shared his gold mine with Misty though. He likely bought her the things she needed but when Ron divorced her, I don't think she kept the purple Altima Ron bought her for her 17th birthday. Misty didn't have a license to drive and when she went to stay with her granny in TN until the RO against Tommy was annulled, she took the bus.

Misty couldn't afford to live independently after the divorce and she began selling drugs while living at Tommy's. Ron owned and controlled all the proceeds he received for HaLeigh and Misty probably wasn't entitled to any of it.

IMO, it was Ron who wanted HaLeigh out of the picture so he could enjoy the good life and he certainly did that until it all came to a halt because of his drug trafficking charges but no worries, because of HaLeigh, Ron was able to cut a deal and have 2 of his drug charges dropped.

 

[txsvicki]

Since some of us think it's between Misty and Tommy, it would be interesting to be able to trace back that whole night and see how high Tommy was at certain points and where he claimed to have gotten the pills. He once claimed to have stayed straight that day because he had no pills. I think he may have gotten into the trailer and got some of Ron's meds after Lindsay got home, but if he helped Misty then she may have given him pills. If Lindsay would tell exactly what condition he was in when they went to bed, if he really stayed in bed, and how he was when they got word of Haleigh's disappearance it might help. I'm now thinking that Lisa may possibly know something after she claimed to have blackmailed Misty. She may have done the same thing to Tommy in the blind man robbery. If they were all so desperate for drugs, maybe they would do anything for Misty in order to get dope, and use her in any way they could. The lying and covering up might be not wanting to get beaten every day in prison for helping to cover up a baby murder.

 

[mikeysmommom]

The day after HaLeigh went missing Ron's friend, the one that runs that funeral home I believe, announced a bank account had been set up so Ron could receive donations and money jars were placed in various places which Ron dipped his hands into. The one billboard that went up for HaLeigh was donated by Crime Stoppers. Ron didn’t tell Chelsea what he planned to do for HaLeigh with the money he collected and Chelsea said she saw a man pull up on a 3-wheeler and hand Ron a cheque for $10,000. Ron also flashed a wad of cash that he carried in his pocket in front of her. Ron was able to quit work, get tattoos free-of-charge, hire a lawyer, collect $12000 from Crystal, get married, pay fines and Court costs, appear on Talk Shows, and travel after his daughter disappeared.

Ron refused to pay for meals in restaurants and IIRC his wedding was paid for. I doubt Ron shared his gold mine with Misty though. He likely bought her the things she needed but when Ron divorced her, I don't think she kept the purple Altima Ron bought her for her 17th birthday. Misty didn't have a license to drive and when she went to stay with her granny in TN until the RO against Tommy was annulled, she took the bus.

Misty couldn't afford to live independently after the divorce and she began selling drugs while living at Tommy's. Ron owned and controlled all the proceeds he received for HaLeigh and Misty probably wasn't entitled to any of it.

IMO, it was Ron who wanted HaLeigh out of the picture so he could enjoy the good life and he certainly did that until it all came to a halt because of his drug trafficking charges but no worries, because of HaLeigh, Ron was able to cut a deal and have 2 of his drug charges dropped.

IIRC Rons job let him go he was too distraught to work,which is usually what happens to the parent of a missing child.Any donations given to Ron where to help him cope with all he was going threw.Misty being young and stupid thought she would be entitled to it.I suppose its all Ron s fault that Misty could not survive living independently after the divorce.She did not have to become a drug dealer she could have gotten a job.She was not entitled to one red cent of any of the donations.Ron was living fine before Haleigh went missing ,he had a job,he took care of his kids ,had a car and a home,Misty was the one without a cent.I can not wait till the whole truth comes out even when it does I am sure those who want to make Ron the villain will probably still do so.It just amazes me that people like to tear into a father and grandmother of a missing child.Misty had motive and opportunity and even now people are still saying she is keeping quiet because she is afraid of Ron and his momma.If I were her I would be more afraid of big Bertha because those woman in prison where Misty will be spending the next 25 yrs will have a field day with her.She is keeping quiet to save a behind alright.............her own and no one else s JMO

 

[kant]

I've said before that I think that it is possible that Haleigh was molested. She might have threatened to tell her dad, which could have triggered a killing. Really, the only things that could explain Haleigh's murder would be the need to cover up some sort of abuse or the desire to kill for its own sake, either out of anger or for some kind of psychopathic pleasure.

I could imagine in the beginning that someone would stage an abduction to cover an accidental death by overdose, but once Misty and Tommy admitted they were present, what would be the point of denying an accidental death? Then they could be charged with some kind of failure to report a death, obstruction, or child neglect--but not murder or the death penalty. It's not like everyone doesn't know by now that there were drugs in the house and the whole bunch is in prison for drug trafficking anyway. Once they admitted being present, then, and had no reason to cover up the whole drug involvement, then we are left with abuse that went too far or some intentional act of evil. I keep thinking about the "bouncing couch" and Misty's early reports that she had been molested by family members. Her own tale of molestation may or may not be true, but it's possible that she had the right action but the wrong victim.

I see what you're saying, but back at the time Haleigh initially, "went missing," (gah; I hate that term) anyway, at that time the whole bunch was not yet in prison for drug trafficking; and if they were dealing etc they were probably actively avoiding that very thing - getting caught. That seems like a powerful motivator for coverup to me.

moo