General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[krkrjx]

From where I sit, it doesn't seem it would be necessary for whoever was there during the call, be it TN or someone else, to have to leave before LE arrived. They could just say they were called and they came right over...or they could say they ran outside to look for Haleigh. But it sounds like TN's voice, and she has not claimed to have been on the scene during the call, ever. She does say she was called by Ron while Misty was on the phone with 911, and claims to have gone right over when she got that call. If that's not TN on the 911 it's someone that sounds very, very much like her, IMO. Even if it wasn't her, whoever it was left before LE arrived because the police report doesn't list another person as being present. Why leave if your voice is already on a recording?

I cannot find the un-sanitized version of the 911 call that I listened to early on. If another Websleuther can produce that I would appreciate it and I am sure others would as well...TIA. The language throughout is atrocious but the flow of the call is far better because there isn't all the beeping going on, also there is a lot more being said in the background.

As for why someone hasn't been charged, probably because there is no physical evidence. It's very difficult to get a conviction without that, especially when LE says they don't know what happened, where it happened, WHEN it happened, or who among a group of however many actually did anything. Doubt in a jury's minds would be way more than reasonable.

 

[EastCoast]

Well, Le has all that. We dont. Wish we did. We could go on a lot more. Something is not right in Satsuma County.

 

[Chablis]

Well, Le has all that. We dont. Wish we did. We could go on a lot more. Something is not right in Satsuma County.

If they have the people responsible for Haleighs death behind bars, they are doing something right. They can only do so much.

 

[EastCoast]

If they have the people responsible for Haleighs death behind bars, they are doing something right. They can only do so much.

I wil agree with that.
But no justice for Haleith at this point, not good enough

 

[Concerned Papa]

From where I sit, it doesn't seem it would be necessary for whoever was there during the call, be it TN or someone else, to have to leave before LE arrived. They could just say they were called and they came right over...or they could say they ran outside to look for Haleigh. But it sounds like TN's voice, and she has not claimed to have been on the scene during the call, ever. She does say she was called by Ron while Misty was on the phone with 911, and claims to have gone right over when she got that call. If that's not TN on the 911 it's someone that sounds very, very much like her, IMO. Even if it wasn't her, whoever it was left before LE arrived because the police report doesn't list another person as being present. Why leave if your voice is already on a recording?

I cannot find the un-sanitized version of the 911 call that I listened to early on. If another Websleuther can produce that I would appreciate it and I am sure others would as well...TIA. The language throughout is atrocious but the flow of the call is far better because there isn't all the beeping going on, also there is a lot more being said in the background.

As for why someone hasn't been charged, probably because there is no physical evidence. It's very difficult to get a conviction without that, especially when LE says they don't know what happened, where it happened, WHEN it happened, or who among a group of however many actually did anything. Doubt in a jury's minds would be way more than reasonable.

BBM

IDK, but if you put me on a jury involving a missing child case and I heard one person say:

"We're f***ed"

While another one asked:

"what did you do with her?"

And a third one I had head on national TV talking about getting there lickety split after being called, turns out to be talking on the original 911 call?

You're going to have to be extremely creative with your defense to EVER get me past that.

 

[Chablis]

I wil agree with that.
But no justice for Haleith at this point, not good enough

I agree, but sometimes we have to take what we can get. It really is better Ron is behind bars and not around children, hopefully something breaks in the next 15 years. At least they have them locked up for at least that.

 

[christee]

Okay I came up out of the basement because I've been interested in the 911 tape since I first heard it. For me it's hard to hear so much of it, so I'm wondering if anyone has had the opportunity to use an audio editing program to see if the tape can be "cleaned up"?
I'm usually a day late on these ideas so if it's been done, my apologies!

 

[azwriter]

From where I sit, it doesn't seem it would be necessary for whoever was there during the call, be it TN or someone else, to have to leave before LE arrived. They could just say they were called and they came right over...or they could say they ran outside to look for Haleigh. But it sounds like TN's voice, and she has not claimed to have been on the scene during the call, ever. She does say she was called by Ron while Misty was on the phone with 911, and claims to have gone right over when she got that call. If that's not TN on the 911 it's someone that sounds very, very much like her, IMO. Even if it wasn't her, whoever it was left before LE arrived because the police report doesn't list another person as being present. Why leave if your voice is already on a recording?

I cannot find the un-sanitized version of the 911 call that I listened to early on. If another Websleuther can produce that I would appreciate it and I am sure others would as well...TIA. The language throughout is atrocious but the flow of the call is far better because there isn't all the beeping going on, also there is a lot more being said in the background.

As for why someone hasn't been charged, probably because there is no physical evidence. It's very difficult to get a conviction without that, especially when LE says they don't know what happened, where it happened, WHEN it happened, or who among a group of however many actually did anything. Doubt in a jury's minds would be way more than reasonable.

krackerjacks, (I love using your real name) Can I offer an idea why TN would leave and make a grand entrance after LE arrives? First, if she was present during the 911 call, I don't think she realized her voice was heard on the call. I believe she would leave because the plan to cover the truth of what happened to Haleigh was to use the old KISS method - keep it simple stupid. The less people involved, the less stories have to be told. TN could just show up and not have to answer any questions about what she knows about the disappearance. If she stayed at the mh when LE arrived, LE would be all over her. Having just Ron and Misty telling the story, expecially when Ron can claim to just be arriving home, it means he doesn't have any details to explain. That leaves just Misty holding the bag and needing to come up with details about a missing child.

If LE did their job correctly, they would have seperated all of the people present at the motorhome immediately when they arrived and questions each one alone. That means everybody's story would have to jive. And, when you're lying, that's a chance you don't want to take if you want to control the facts.

To me, the ploy to have as few people at the mh with knowledge of Haleigh's disappearance is something a person or people would think of who have been questioned by LE previously in their life. I assume TN was a ring leader who put the false story together. She must have known how the cops would handle the investigation the moment they stepped in the home. She was knowledgable enough about the procedures, either by personal experience or by working with LE, that she knew it had to be a simple explanation and when you go over the story on the surface it is simple: Ron claims to have been at work and just arriving home. Misty claims to have been sleeping. Both of them can play dumb. Putting more people in the picture would have complicated the fake story too much.

Of course, this is just all my opinion. But from the very beginning it has always surprised me as to how TN has always been so involved as being the one person in the family to step forward to relay the answers to the public and the media. To me, it's her story, her plan, to cover up the truth.
jmo

 

[krkrjx]

BBM

IDK, but if you put me on a jury involving a missing child case and I heard one person say:

"We're f***ed"

While another one asked:

"what did you do with her?"

And a third one I had head on national TV talking about getting there lickety split after being called, turns out to be talking on the original 911 call?

You're going to have to be extremely creative with your defense to EVER get me past that.

All any defense attorney would need to say is that one of the others did the deed. There's no proof what happened, when it happened or even where it happened. LE said there was no evidence of a crime at the MH. Either they meant that literally or it was the wording they chose to use to say they didn't believe the bricked-open door nonsense.

Any one of our players going on trial for Haleigh would have the benefit of the doubt and IMO it would be pretty easy for any defense attorney to point the finger at any of the other players as the perp. Without evidence that their client did anything and without evidence of what actually happened, no jury would convict. There are countless cases where jurors after the verdict will say they believe the defendant may be guilty but they could not render a guilty verdict because the evidence wasn't there.

They are all in prison, and they are there for a reason. It's called KARMA. (Certainly we are not so obtuse as to believe they were targeted just for dealing a few pills!)

 

[archenemy toenail]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102254&highlight=911+call

Here's an old zombie thread about a possible third voice on the 911 call. I haven't reread it yet, just throwin' it out there.

 

[krkrjx]

krackerjacks, (I love using your real name) Can I offer an idea why TN would leave and make a grand entrance after LE arrives? First, if she was present during the 911 call, I don't think she realized her voice was heard on the call. I believe she would leave because the plan to cover the truth of what happened to Haleigh was to use the old KISS method - keep it simple stupid. The less people involved, the less stories have to be told. TN could just show up and not have to answer any questions about what she knows about the disappearance. If she stayed at the mh when LE arrived, LE would be all over her. Having just Ron and Misty telling the story, expecially when Ron can claim to just be arriving home, it means he doesn't have any details to explain. That leaves just Misty holding the bag and needing to come up with details about a missing child.

If LE did their job correctly, they would have seperated all of the people present at the motorhome immediately when they arrived and questions each one alone. That means everybody's story would have to jive. And, when you're lying, that's a chance you don't want to take if you want to control the facts.
To me, the ploy to have as few people at the mh with knowledge of Haleigh's disappearance is something a person or people would think of who have been questioned by LE previously in their life. I assume TN was a ring leader who put the false story together. She must have known how the cops would handle the investigation the moment they stepped in the home. She was knowledgable enough about the procedures, either by personal experience or by working with LE, that she knew it had to be a simple explanation and when you go over the story on the surface it is simple: Ron claims to have been at work and just arriving home. Misty claims to have been sleeping. Both of them can play dumb. Putting more people in the picture would have complicated the fake story too much.

Of course, this is just all my opinion. But from the very beginning it has always surprised me as to how TN has always been so involved as being the one person in the family to step forward to relay the answers to the public and the media. To me, it's her story, her plan, to cover up the truth.
jmo

I agree with all you are saying, Sister Mary. Especially the bolded part.

 

[dodie20]

From where I sit, it doesn't seem it would be necessary for whoever was there during the call, be it TN or someone else, to have to leave before LE arrived. They could just say they were called and they came right over...or they could say they ran outside to look for Haleigh. But it sounds like TN's voice, and she has not claimed to have been on the scene during the call, ever. She does say she was called by Ron while Misty was on the phone with 911, and claims to have gone right over when she got that call. If that's not TN on the 911 it's someone that sounds very, very much like her, IMO. Even if it wasn't her, whoever it was left before LE arrived because the police report doesn't list another person as being present. Why leave if your voice is already on a recording?

I cannot find the un-sanitized version of the 911 call that I listened to early on. If another Websleuther can produce that I would appreciate it and I am sure others would as well...TIA. The language throughout is atrocious but the flow of the call is far better because there isn't all the beeping going on, also there is a lot more being said in the background.

As for why someone hasn't been charged, probably because there is no physical evidence. It's very difficult to get a conviction without that, especially when LE says they don't know what happened, where it happened, WHEN it happened, or who among a group of however many actually did anything. Doubt in a jury's minds would be way more than reasonable.

what I'm hearing isn't so much what the beeps are hiding, although the beeps are sometimes too short to block complete sentences...what I'm getting now, for some reason, is a clarification in the garbling. What just sounded like noise before, is words! at the end of that tape, I hear a lower voiced female talking in the background. It's really garbled but I think I hear kiss my***. It's not Misty, because she's whimpering on the phone, & the other voice is very controlled. Also, one of the times that Ron is talking to the operator, I hear a female in the background sobbing hysterically, & gasping as if she has been choked-coughing for breath. weird, & I'll be the 1st to admit I could be wrong, but that's what think I heard! Now, a TV could be on or someone could be on another phone's speaker, but if so, why garble & bleep them? MOO.

 

[krkrjx]

In most phone recordings you will hear an occasional beep so not all the beeps are blocking something out. Where ever it doesn't flow well is where something has actually been redacted. It could be a couple words or a couple sentences. One thing I know for sure is some of the stuff that was available online at the beginning is not available anymore. Some due just to the passage of time, certainly...but I wonder if specific sites were not asked to remove what they had up. I heard what may have been the most intact version of the 911 call early on, but I sure can't find it now. In that version there is a female voice toward the end that said what sounded to me like, "is this because of your drugs?"

There was more...a lot more...but I don't want to go into a lot of detail since that version of the call may not be available to the public anymore. Rest assured, Tim Miller was right on the money when he said things weren't as they seemed.

 

[dodie20]

In most phone recordings you will hear an occasional beep so not all the beeps are blocking something out. Where ever it doesn't flow well is where something has actually been redacted. It could be a couple words or a couple sentences. One thing I know for sure is some of the stuff that was available online at the beginning is not available anymore. Some due just to the passage of time, certainly...but I wonder if specific sites were not asked to remove what they had up. I heard what may have been the most intact version of the 911 call early on, but I sure can't find it now. In that version there is a female voice toward the end that said what sounded to me like, "is this because of your drugs?"

There was more...a lot more...but I don't want to go into a lot of detail since that version of the call may not be available to the public anymore. Rest assured, Tim Miller was right on the money when he said things weren't as they seemed.

that's weird that you quoted Tim Miller because he & that quote are exactly what I've been thinking. MOO.

 

[dodie20]

You are right, the transcripts just breeze over and the background talking isn't captured. At what point did you hear the "accident and lying" part? How can LE point the finger at Misty and put blinders on regarding any investigation of anyone else who may have been in that MH :maddening: I just don't get it.

at about the 4:20 mark...right as & after the operator says '& another thing, make sure you & your husband don't touch the door'. I also hear 'just hang up'. MOO. but it could be something else...

 

[twall]

Here's the version with the cuss words in it and the part where the dispatcher calls back after she is hung up on is all there, 4 rings before Ron answers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPcQwiGHd9w

Here is a version that doesn't have as much static in it and you can hear Ron call Haleigh's name at the very beginning. Click on the media tab.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=63252

 

[Chablis]

Seriously, who hangs up on 911? I mean just give the award for fakest drama in a 911 call to Ronald Cummings already. It makes me sick listening to NG and her saying, listen to how upset he is in this 911 call, and to me it sounds like someone on drugs. I mean hes just so upset and panicked he acts like a wild out of control animal? F her birthday? I think that was his response because he probably didn't know her exact birth date.

 

[Concerned Papa]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102254&highlight=911+call

Here's an old zombie thread about a possible third voice on the 911 call. I haven't reread it yet, just throwin' it out there.

Thanks, I guess....sort of, LOL. Nooow I remember why I didn't look too deeply into the 911 call. My head is spinning after reading all the things peeps heard.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Seriously, who hangs up on 911? I mean just give the award for fakest drama in a 911 call to Ronald Cummings already. It makes me sick listening to NG and her saying, listen to how upset he is in this 911 call, and to me it sounds like someone on drugs. I mean hes just so upset and panicked he acts like a wild out of control animal? F her birthday? I think that was his response because he probably didn't know her exact birth date.

That's what floors me Chablis. If that phone rang, I'd have jumped on it thinking it might be someone who had (or found) my daughter! It could have been a neighbor who found HaLeigh wandering in their backyard (this personally happened to me when my son was only 2 years old!) and that is just another issue (out of many) that concerns me with this 911 call - Wasn't even a consideration for Ronald, IMO because he knew that NO neighbor (or anyone for that matter) was going to find HaLeigh wandering in their yard/on their property - sadly, she was already gone and he knew it.

 

[nomoresorrow]

And another thing (lol)... Interesting how so many excuse Ronald's "conduct" during the 911 call claiming that he was simply not thinking/out of his head/distraught over HaLeigh' being missing and yet he's got the where-with-all to think of/mention that he doesn't care if they get his murderous threats on tape - Yeah right, geez-louis, give me a break!