General theory thread and motives rehashed #4

[lonetraveler]

I suspect they have told LE Ron C is the one responsible for what happened to Haleigh..... And IMO the reason Misty and Tommy are protecting themselves is because they have finally come to the realization they allowed Ron C and his family to set them up BIG TIME... Sad they didn't have the brains to realize thats what was going down that night when they decided to follow Ron C's plan rather than call LE..JMHO

BBM: I truly believe that Tommy and Misty have told LE the truth about Ronald's involvement, but LE dismisses everything they have said, either because the truth would reveal the total incompetence of LE or they are dismissing the truth because it doesn't "fit" their story of what happened. LE has tried to make the facts fit their story of what happened since day one and they just can't make it fit. That is the true reason that this case has not been solved. LE refuses to take the blinders off and look at other people as possibly being invovled in Haleigh's demise. Until someone new in Law Enforcement looks at this case it will remain unsolved.

 

[4Jacy]

BBM: I truly believe that Tommy and Misty have told LE the truth about Ronald's involvement, but LE dismisses everything they have said, either because the truth would reveal the total incompetence of LE or they are dismissing the truth because it doesn't "fit" their story of what happened. LE has tried to make the facts fit their story of what happened since day one and they just can't make it fit. That is the true reason that this case has not been solved. LE refuses to take the blinders off and look at other people as possibly being invovled in Haleigh's demise[[/B]B]. Until someone new in Law Enforcement looks at this case it will remain unsolved.

BBM

MO: That is not the reason LE refuses to take the "blinders" off.

 

[bessie]

I think that Ron hurriedly hid any drugs that were in the home in an abandoned car in the woods behind Ron's home. He was so busy during the 911 call looking and banging kitchen cabinet doors. He had to make sure that LE would not find his "stash".

Yep, Lone, it sure did sound like he was looking for something, and it wasn't Haleigh. If it was drugs, that raises an interesting point. Whenever one of us suggests that Haleigh might've OD'd, other posters always come back with the opinion that drug abusers are very careful about where they put their drugs. I've spent enough time in the homes of two pill addicted friends to know that's not always the case. They get sloppy and stash pills in different places around the house, like a kitchen drawer, inside a vase on the coffee table, behind a book. Then they forget where they put them. If Ron was frantically searching for drugs during the 911 call because he couldn't remember all of the places he might've put them, who's to say Haleigh didn't come across them accidentally, or that she wasn't aware of one or more of R&M's hiding places.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

my newest theory..Misty is seen slapping Jr at the bus stop. Haleigh is reported missing. Misty goes home to her mom's. Ron takes her back. He gets the bumper sticker. He gets the memorial tattoo. Ron hires a criminal attorney. He marries Misty. Misty fails a LDT question concerning Ron's involvement. Misty says something to the effect of 'they're on to us'. (cobra tapes). Tommy goes to jail and says that Misty wasn't home. Tommy gets the rat. Ron goes to jail for fighting with Misty's family. Ron warns Misty that Donna Brock is trying to get information. They divorce. Misty gets her Ron tattoo. They're busted dealing together. These are probably out of order, but they're a few things, that IMO, point to Ron covering for Misty. MOO.

But Dodie, what about TN and AS? Do they know that Ron is covering for Misty? Are they covering for her too, or are they innocent in all this?

I'm just too old and tired to change my theory...again. LOL:crazy:

 

[Nonni Brenda]

BBM: I truly believe that Tommy and Misty have told LE the truth about Ronald's involvement, but LE dismisses everything they have said, either because the truth would reveal the total incompetence of LE or they are dismissing the truth because it doesn't "fit" their story of what happened. LE has tried to make the facts fit their story of what happened since day one and they just can't make it fit. That is the true reason that this case has not been solved. LE refuses to take the blinders off and look at other people as possibly being invovled in Haleigh's demise. Until someone new in Law Enforcement looks at this case it will remain unsolved.

bbm
Hi Lone, I agree with bbm part. But, I also agree with 4 Jacy that there is another reason LE won't look at Ron. Still not sure what the reason is, but surely LE would see by now how incompetent they look by not looking at Ron and his family. To me, they look worse by not admitting they made some mistakes, and take the blinders off and look at everyone, not just Misty and her family. Surely they realize now that their old original "Misty is the key" is not enough.
You are definitely right, IMO that this case will not be resolved until some new LE steps in. I hate to say that, but I believe it is true at this point.:seeya:

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Levi, I wouldn't put anything past Ron C or anyone in his family... As far as blackmail, I'm more inclined to believe Misty and Tommy have been threatened..
And IMO nothing went down in Ron C's trailer other than possibly getting all his drugs out of there before LE was called and someone staging an alleged abduction scene..IMO Haleigh was not killed in that trailer located at 202 Green lane.. And IMO Misty and Tommy did not kill her either...IF they had Ron C would have made certain they were dead before the sun came up on February 10, 2009...JMHO

I agree Em, I don't think anything happened on Green Ln to Haleigh. I really believe that Haleigh was killed either at Magnolia, or on the way to Magnolia shortly after getting off the bus. I believe Ron and Misty both were involved. I do believe the Croslins were set up to help with the clean up, and they didn't realize just how stupid they were being. Now that it has gone this far, they can't get out of it, because LE won't believe them. Let me correct myself there. LE does believe them, because I think LE knows what happened, and that Haleigh was killed by Ron and/or Misty.
I still haven't figured out why LE won't investigate Ron and his family, almost to the extent of looking like they are covering for them. IMO, that is about the most bizzare thing in this whole story. THEY KNOW... and have let this case go cold, IMO.

 

[dodie20]

But Dodie, what about TN and AS? Do they know that Ron is covering for Misty? Are they covering for her too, or are they innocent in all this?

I'm just too old and tired to change my theory...again. LOL:crazy:

IDK what's up with TN except that she has tried her darndest to make Ron look like an upstanding citizen and a great father...and part of that was building up his live-in gf, IMO. Did she suspect Misty of something? maybe, but probably not murder. AS has never seemed like she knew anything, IMO, and to me it seemed that whatever role she played was because she believed they were both innocent. I think both women believed R & M were covering up something, but not murder. TN seemed desperate to keep JR and not have Ron get into any trouble. I know a lot of people see Misty as the murderer, but I'm not sure. I think she was more than capable of a rage killing, but considering Haleigh's lifestyle, that's just one possibility. The actions of the Croslins, especially lately, have convinced me that they are covering for themselves. I think Ron knows a lot, maybe everything, but when I look at the whole picture, what I keep coming up with is his smug, 'I was at work', and him lawyering up, and him through his attorney, saying that he did NOT ask Tommy to go by the trailer. This all IMO, points to him knowing enough to protect himself...knowing what was significant and knowing what to distance himself from. But at the same time, he stayed with Misty. MOO.

 

[lil momma]

I don't think so, I think Misty called police before Ron was ready for her to call, that is why he was cussing and fussing and was so mad and calling her names, and why he kept hanging up the phone.

BBM

So, do you think there is truth into what Greenwood let slip out in that one interview? that the first call came in around 2:13am?

That would actually make some sense. JMO

 

[titanfan62702]

BBM

MO: That is not the reason LE refuses to take the "blinders" off.

Would love to hear your reasons. If you can't post it, please PM. I keep secrets well.

 

[4Jacy]

Would love to hear your reasons. If you can't post it, please PM. I keep secrets well.

I feel that some of LE are heavily involved in something very nefarious down there in ole Florida. I'm not sure what it is, but I am sure that they are.

MO :twocents:

 

[lil momma]

IDK what's up with TN except that she has tried her darndest to make Ron look like an upstanding citizen and a great father...and part of that was building up his live-in gf, IMO. Did she suspect Misty of something? maybe, but probably not murder. AS has never seemed like she knew anything, IMO, and to me it seemed that whatever role she played was because she believed they were both innocent. I think both women believed R & M were covering up something, but not murder. TN seemed desperate to keep JR and not have Ron get into any trouble. I know a lot of people see Misty as the murderer, but I'm not sure. I think she was more than capable of a rage killing, but considering Haleigh's lifestyle, that's just one possibility. The actions of the Croslins, especially lately, have convinced me that they are covering for themselves. I think Ron knows a lot, maybe everything, but when I look at the whole picture, what I keep coming up with is his smug, 'I was at work', and him lawyering up, and him through his attorney, saying that he did NOT ask Tommy to go by the trailer. This all IMO, points to him knowing enough to protect himself...knowing what was significant and knowing what to distance himself from. But at the same time, he stayed with Misty. MOO.

Pretty darn confusing,isn't it? I think you hit a few keys points in your post. IMO, If Ron knew Misty did something to HaLeigh, she would have been killed. If Tommy would have done something to HaLeigh, he would have gotten more than just a dead headless rat in his mailbox. For me, it all comes back to Ron. Misty says she called Ron several times and he didn't answer, he claims b/c he was pulling into the driveway, but if she called him as many as 20-90+ times, they calls would have started WAY before the turn onto his street. Tommy says Ron asked him to go check on Misty at the MH on green lane. (Ron denies this) TN was even caught saying there was a fight over a gun with Joe. (Ron denies this) How far apart the beds were, where HaLeigh was sleeping that night, and the list just goes on. The point i am bringing out, is IMO, the hardest part of trying to figure out who is lying to suit themselves, is for everyone one statement made, Ron is denying that it happened.

My thought for today ...JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

Well, tonight I and many others are anticipating the Casey Anthony trial starting tomorrow morning. I'm very sad for what happened to little Caylee and hope and pray that justice comes for her. I can't help but think of Haleigh tonight. Her little body is still out there somewhere. She is all alone. I'm afraid that her case will become just a box of files tucked away in the cold case file room where they will just sit, gathering dust. Very sad if this is what happens. It makes me very angry at all the misfits who know what happened and know where Haleigh's body was hidden. They could bring her home and they could allow her to be put to rest. She deserves to be respected and to be lovingly laid to rest.

 

[4Jacy]

Well, tonight I and many others are anticipating the Casey Anthony trial starting tomorrow morning. I'm very sad for what happened to little Caylee and hope and pray that justice comes for her. I can't help but think of Haleigh tonight. Her little body is still out there somewhere. She is all alone. I'm afraid that her case will become just a box of files tucked away in the cold case file room where they will just sit, gathering dust. Very sad if this is what happens. It makes me very angry at all the misfits who know what happened and know where Haleigh's body was hidden. They could bring her home and they could allow her to be put to rest. She deserves to be respected and to be lovingly laid to rest.

That was a very beautiful thing to say and I know you meant it from your heart. But I believe Haleigh is with Jesus and is at peace. If she were to be brought "home" - which "home" would she go to? Which family would made sure she is with "them."

I'm not trying to be disrespectful, truly I'm not, but to me it doesn't matter where little Haleigh's body is, her soul and spirit are with Jesus. And that's far, far, far better then she ever got on this earth.

MO

 

[Emeralgem]

Well, tonight I and many others are anticipating the Casey Anthony trial starting tomorrow morning. I'm very sad for what happened to little Caylee and hope and pray that justice comes for her. I can't help but think of Haleigh tonight. Her little body is still out there somewhere. She is all alone. I'm afraid that her case will become just a box of files tucked away in the cold case file room where they will just sit, gathering dust. Very sad if this is what happens. It makes me very angry at all the misfits who know what happened and know where Haleigh's body was hidden. They could bring her home and they could allow her to be put to rest. She deserves to be respected and to be lovingly laid to rest.

IMO.. We are dealing with a bunch of sociopaths who could care less about the pain they have inflicted on Haleigh's mother and maternal grandmother. Ron C and his family could have (IF they had wanted to) told the truth but they found it more beneficial to protect Ronald, so they keep up the charade...JMHO

ETA.. When I look at that picture of Ron C, Misty, his mother and his sister Crystal smiling like they don't have a care in the world on their trip to New York that tells me they could care less Haleigh is deceased.. Their ONLY concern is to keep the truth from ever being revealed..JMHO..

 

[SmoothOperator]

that is part of the problem. Sure, Misty and Tommy led LE to the dock searches and they searched the mondex, but did they find anything? Imo, no they didn't, b/c had the found evidence of what either Tommy or Misty were claiming was in the St. Johns RIver or at the Mondex, I wholeheartly believe there would have been charges filed against them. They found a cement brick and they found some rope, but unless they find dna of HaLeigh, Tommy, Misty, Joe or even Ron for that matter, that evidence becomes circumstancial evidence as it doesn't tie anyone one of these to the evidence itself. IMO, tommy didn't hurt HaLeigh, nor did Misty.

above respectfully snipped from lil momma's post..

Re: the mondex search that was not a story of Tommy or Misty's that got LE to search there. It was from the Joe P.guy that NayNay wrote About in the publicized letter. Joe was the one who told LE that Haleigh OD at a party, put in black trash bag into NayNays car and dumped in the mondex.. So that particular search was not directed by Tommy or Misty.*

As for thE st johns dock search directly near the Magnolia address that many believe is some how, some way tied in and involved in Haleigh's death(possibly even the actual crime scene IMO).. That came from Tommys mouth as we all know and I was unaware that it was confirmed that they found yellow rope and a cinder block that were involved in that nights events. If so IMo that'd be quite damning and would be corroborating much of the alleged story that happened.. Tommy placing himself literally ALL IN AND AROUND THE ENTIRE CRIME AND DISPOSAL is for only one reason because he is a guilty party... Jmo, tho!! IMO of course there woukd be zero DNA whatsoever to be able to locate of Haleigh or even of Haleighs clothes when the search was 15 months after the murder had taken place.. IMO I am not certain what was done with Haleighs remains but I believe that there has yet to be the full story with all perp's involvements detailed.. And IMO this is why a Polly cannot be passed by either of these two because every single time their role in the murder and disposal was fabricated to be that of a lesser involvement or no involvement therefor still lies, half truths, and twisted partial truths which all equal a fail on a LDT..

And that is why I fear so greatly that there's a very good chance that all evidence has long since been destroyed, leaving nothing that can be traced back or used to corroborate.. If the murder occurred elsewhere from the disposal sight that would give some hope but here's my problem with that being fruitful..
First, IMO if the murder happened at say the Magnolia residence and the murder was done in a way that would produce no blood(strangulation, suffocation)then the only thing present from the crime DNA wise would be possibly if indeed there was a sexual assault.. Without being too graphic it's quite possible that there would be DNA from both Hailey and the perp.. What do we know about this magnolia address being thoroughly searched for DNA/blood. It seems to me to be the likeliest of crime scenes of all with it being known by all that Hank Sr and Lisa were over hundred miles away in hospital..

Another thing is that we know the van was thoroughly seized and searched and I believe if Haleigh post mortem after having been killed were then transported in the van that if it had been a murder that produced blood either or both of those would have been easily found in or on the van.. Again leading me to believe that either Haleigh was alive until taken from the van(I'll elaborate in one moment) or that the van was not used to transport her at all quite possibly.*

I bring up the Haleigh may have been alive while being transported to the disposal sight specifically for one reason that has stuck with me for over a year now.. It's what Flo Hollars told us.. That she was told that when Haleigh was tied to the "bricker block" with the yellow rope and thrown off the dock that it was possible that Haleigh was indeed alive when it happened.. I know very grim and very hard to even comprehend such a notion but I have never forgotten those words and I, personally am one who thought it quite possible that Flo has been the only one to really tell it like it is.. Not even try to sugar coat it.. But just rather lay it out as it was told to her, with no doctoring of it to attempt to shed a better light on any of her grandkids..not even with Misty her favorite....

IMO it's quite likely that some type crime did take place in the Magnolia address home.. A sexual crime against Haleigh and that there was no transporting her or her body in the van after this crime took place.. Rather she was disposed of off the dock right there at the Magnolia address.. There will never be any evidence of Haleighs remains found or clothes..

 

[lil momma]

above respectfully snipped from lil momma's post..

Re: the mondex search that was not a story of Tommy or Misty's that got LE to search there. It was from the Joe P.guy that NayNay wrote About in the publicized letter. Joe was the one who told LE that Haleigh OD at a party, put in black trash bag into NayNays car and dumped in the mondex.. So that particular search was not directed by Tommy or Misty.*

And IMO this is why a Polly cannot be passed by either of these two because every single time their role in the murder and disposal was fabricated to be that of a lesser involvement or no involvement therefor still lies, half truths, and twisted partial truths which all equal a fail on a LDT..


What do we know about this magnolia address being thoroughly searched for DNA/blood.

Another thing is that we know the van was thoroughly seized and searched and I believe if Haleigh post mortem after having been killed were then transported in the van that if it had been a murder that produced blood either or both of those would have been easily found in or on the van.. Again leading me to believe that either Haleigh was alive until taken from the van(I'll elaborate in one moment) or that the van was not used to transport her at all quite possibly.*


Hi Smoothoperator!

Respectfully snipped and BBM

RE the Mondex--I know it was searched b/c of letter, the point i was trying to bring out was that in either (Mondex or Dock) place, LE hasn't found much evidence to point to anyone, otherwise there would have been charges filed against that person. I was also trying to say (which it seems i have had a hard time using the right words...lol)--About the brick and the rope, i am just not putting too much into it. --i often wondered why TN and GGS would go "searching" around the St. John's area when there was going to be a search by LE in that same very spot the next day. Could it be THEY planted the rope and brick into the River? (Knowing this is the story that Tommy told LE)

RE: Poly's-- I just don't think ANY of them passed the poly. Think about it.... We heard that Misty failed (a million times over) Tommy failed, Timmy failed.... But when it comes to Ron, the only one person who says he passed was himself. He also said that Misty passed, which we all know is a LIE. (i think the whole world is aware of that...lol) Since the poly isn't submissible in court, IDK, it is just an ivestigative tool, i have mixed feelings about the poly.

I could be wrong on the Magnolia address, but AFAIK, it has never been searched. I have never seen any article saying that LE has searched that home.

and the van--again this is one of those things that just doesn't fit, for me. It is strange that Chels said that the van was moved and there is a scratch on it that wasn't there before, but LE had the van for weeks, and found nothing, that i remember. Misty did have mention of deer blood in the back, but i am sure that LE would have tested that blood, and if it came back to HaLeigh, i feel there would have been charges filed.

IDK, this whole case is a mess and has been since day 1. It is so hard to wade through all the BS and the lies. I guess the original point of my other post was really, IMO, that LE has nothing, nothing more than they did the day HaLeigh was reported missing. Sure, they are all sitting there on drug charges, but IMO, no one will talk they all want to get out when they finish doing their time for the drug charges. everything LE has is circumstancial and doesn't point to any one specific person. Then throw all that in with the millions of stories that have been told. It is really sad!

JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

That was a very beautiful thing to say and I know you meant it from your heart. But I believe Haleigh is with Jesus and is at peace. If she were to be brought "home" - which "home" would she go to? Which family would made sure she is with "them."

I'm not trying to be disrespectful, truly I'm not, but to me it doesn't matter where little Haleigh's body is, her soul and spirit are with Jesus. And that's far, far, far better then she ever got on this earth.

MO

I agree that she is at peace wherever she may be. I was thinking more about treating her little body with love and respect and not just thrown out like garbage. Home I guess is the final resting place for her remains only. I know that she is already in her spiritual home.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Thanks for your reply lil momma, I now see what you were getting at with the Examples of the mondex and the dock search. It is so very hard to wade thru all of the mess of this case. Not a single one of them is worth a plug nickel. Jmo. And it's just downright disgusting most times to even think about the injustice that's going on down there.

I would like to know more about the Magnolia address or better yet I wouldve liked LE to know more about this residence. IMO it seems one of if not the most likeliest of places for the crime to have been committed. EVERYONE INVOLVED KNEW THAT THIS HOUSE WAS VACANT due to Hank and Lisa being at the hospital in Gainesville over a 100 miles away without a vehicle to drive home in even if they wanted to(my point being that it was a guarantee that they would not be home at any point during these hours in question).. To me that is a huge possibility and since we know LE has stated there is zero evidence of a crime of any sort taking place in the mobile home then IMo common sense says the crime had to take place SOMEWHERE!!

So why in the world would this vacant residence that I would bet most had access to was not ever thoroughly searched with a fine tooth comb??

Tho IMO misty being seen carrying black trash bag in and around that home the day after is not related however I'd think that along with many other factors would point to the magnolia residence infact being a place that could likely be the actual crime scene..

Just another frustrating reality about this sad case that some days I do honestly wonder will there ever be justice for Haleigh?? Not in the form of a drug sentence either, I mean justice for Haleigh with thise guilty brought front and center to be shown exactly for the child killers that they are.. Sad and frustrating..

 

[4Jacy]

I agree that she is at peace wherever she may be. I was thinking more about treating her little body with love and respect and not just thrown out like garbage. Home I guess is the final resting place for her remains only. I know that she is already in her spiritual home.

I know what your saying lone, but can you imagine the in-fighting between TN/GGM and Crystal/Marie! Where should the little body be buried, who would pick out the headstone, what would the headstone read, et al. Sorry, but I see it getting ugly. Of course Crystal, being the mother, would win out, but how would that affect the relationship thatTN/GGM now have (from what I've heard) with Butterbean.

 

[lil momma]

I know what your saying lone, but can you imagine the in-fighting between TN/GGM and Crystal/Marie! Where should the little body be buried, who would pick out the headstone, what would the headstone read, et al. Sorry, but I see it getting ugly. Of course Crystal, being the mother, would win out, but how would that affect the relationship thatTN/GGM now have (from what I've heard) with Butterbean.

Good Morning!

BBM

Regarding JR, are TN and GGS allowed visitations with him? just wondering, how that lil cutie pie is doing.