General theory thread and motives rehashed #4

[dodie20]

Interesting from Steve Brown! I post here if mod think it should be move...please do

http://handcuffedtotheocean.com/

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There are many aspects in the Haleigh Cummings case that remain unexplained. Some of these mysteries are self-evident. Where is Haleigh? But other aspects, which are puzzling, could perhaps simply be resolved by the PCSO with the simple release of information not critical to any prosecutorial effort in this case

This was a very interesting article. Thank you for posting it. I don't remember who it was, but a poster on here awhile back, made the point that Tommy was always in the thick of the action. It seems that any time something important to this case was going on, there he was. And this article reiterates that..just a hundred yards down the block. I've always been more than curious about the 2:13 time, but I don't think it was misspeak. Greenwood has had time to make a correction, but never has. MOO.

 

[Emeralgem]

Mr. Brown's states in the comments..."If you have any other ideas or questions, pop them right on up. I’m always open to new ideas"

IIRC...According to Mr.Steve Brown he solved this case back in April 2010..

Right now, after reading that article and his comments, I'm thinking Mr Steve Brown hasn't solved too much anything..JMHO

Message for Mr. Brown.. I suspect both Tommy and Jo may have been there between midnight and 2:00 am also... Ever think they were helping to stage a scene, and getting rid of marijuana plants? JMHO

 

[tfrohning]

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[tfrohning]

Mr. Brown's states in the comments..."If you have any other ideas or questions, pop them right on up. I’m always open to new ideas"

IIRC...According to Mr.Steve Brown he solved this case back in April 2010..

Right now, after reading that article and his comments, I'm thinking Mr Steve Brown hasn't solved too much anything..JMHO

Message for Mr. Brown.. I suspect both Tommy and Jo may have been there between midnight and 2:00 am also... Ever think they were helping to stage a scene, and getting rid of marijuana plants? JMHO

I don't think Joe had anything to do with Haleigh. IMO

I do think that Mr.Brown knows more about Tommy than me so I going to listen.

Mr. Brown reply to me was Tommy lied about 10 so he could get out jail and it work and Tommy was out the next day...

 

[tfrohning]

This was a very interesting article. Thank you for posting it. I don't remember who it was, but a poster on here awhile back, made the point that Tommy was always in the thick of the action. It seems that any time something important to this case was going on, there he was. And this article reiterates that..just a hundred yards down the block. I've always been more than curious about the 2:13 time, but I don't think it was misspeak. Greenwood has had time to make a correction, but never has. MOO.

Chelsea also always in thick of the action too (has you put it
The thing with Tommy anyone that follow the case seen Tommy spiral out of control each day. That started my hinky meter going on him.

True with Greenwood or Hardy never did:waitasec:

 

[Skully]

Interesting from Steve Brown! I post here if mod think it should be move...please do

http://handcuffedtotheocean.com/

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There are many aspects in the Haleigh Cummings case that remain unexplained. Some of these mysteries are self-evident. Where is Haleigh? But other aspects, which are puzzling, could perhaps simply be resolved by the PCSO with the simple release of information not critical to any prosecutorial effort in this case

I remember discussing all of this when they released the 911 calls and radio calls. We knew that LE had been at 116 Tyler but we didn't know why, we also knew someone told the officer she was seen 1 to 1 1/2 hours earlier. So none of this is news except the claim that TC was there between 12 and 2 cause he said he was there closer to 10pm IIRC and no one was home, he knocked on the door and lights were out. So we always thought MC was out and the kids were either with her or home alone. If TC did have anything to do with this, he wouldn't have offered that information. I have to think about some of this. I still think she was put in the river. Off that dock. Her body could have floated up river and never been recovered to this day. Misty isn't talking because she knows what happened and she is not going to implicate herself.

 

[dodie20]

I remember discussing all of this when they released the 911 calls and radio calls. We knew that LE had been at 116 Tyler but we didn't know why, we also knew someone told the officer she was seen 1 to 1 1/2 hours earlier. So none of this is news except the claim that TC was there between 12 and 2 cause he said he was there closer to 10pm IIRC and no one was home, he knocked on the door and lights were out. So we always thought MC was out and the kids were either with her or home alone. If TC did have anything to do with this, he wouldn't have offered that information. I have to think about some of this. I still think she was put in the river. Off that dock. Her body could have floated up river and never been recovered to this day. Misty isn't talking because she knows what happened and she is not going to implicate herself.

Cops early on, said they had reason to believe that Misty wasn't at the trailer the whole night. They even asked for the public's help on this, I believe. Tommy came out with his banging on the door rendition much later. Whether true or not, his story not only served the purpose of backing up LE suspicions, but also, (and more importantly, IMO), put him at the scene of the crime. Misty said he was at the trailer early in the evening, (smoking dope), he put himself at the door at 10, he later put himself IN the house, and now we're hearing that he was there between 12 and 2. And during the 911 call, cops were at his house for some reason. IMO, he's involved. Actually, if Tommy had something to do with this, I DO think he would have offered the banging door information. IMO, he was very careful to NOT put himself in the house, but still managed to say enough to get himself out of jail...which he was desperate to do. This thinking follows the same line as him, in court, asking for leniency based on his 'help' in the Haleigh case. IMO, Tommy has proved he's the kind of person who has no problem using whatever and whoever he can, to help himself. Also he at 1st claimed that Ron asked him to go to the trailer, but Ron, through his attorney, denied that claim. So it seems Ron knew enough to realize that he didn't want to be associated with Tommy being at his house. IMO, there was just a slight difference in Tommy's claim and Ron's. Ron admitted he called looking for Misty..Tommy claimed he also asked him to go by the trailer. very slight but possibly important. MOO.

 

[Emeralgem]

I don't think Joe had anything to do with Haleigh. IMO

I do think that Mr.Brown knows more about Tommy than me so I going to listen.

Mr. Brown reply to me was Tommy lied about 10 so he could get out jail and it work and Tommy was out the next day...

Tommy has lied about alot of things, and I do remember he stated he went to the MH around 10:00 pm or shortly after..IIRC soon after it was revealed Ron C had made a call to Tommy..
I also recall Tommy claiming no one was home when he went to the MH and TN doing everything within her power on NG to debunk his story...Claiming Misty was there but worn out because she and Ron C had spent the entire Sunday night trying to work things out....TN claiming Misty was exhausted and didn't hear Tommy......Long story..short...TN wanted everyone to believe Misty was there with Haleigh and Jr. although Tommy was claiming she wasn't there...Last thing TN wanted anyone to know was Misty and Ron C had not reconciled and Misty was not at the MH with her two grandchildren that night...
My stance is Misty was not at the MH located at 202 Green Lane at 10:00 pm and neither was Tommy... I suspect Misty was at her parent's residence.
And since I believe the dogs hit on that dumpster because Haleigh was put there for a period of time I suspect Tommy may have been at his own residence by then waiting for Lindsy to return home...JMHO

Also, at one time we had a poster here who claimed a noisy vehicle came into the neighborhood around 1:30, stopped near the dumpster and left about 20 minutes later.. Around 2:00 am...So I am not surprised Tommy's dog was barking and pehaps someone called in a complaint.. Also IF Tommy was helping clear out the MH and stage a scene between 12:00 am and 2:00 am it doesn't surprise me to learn he was seen outside his residence smoking a cigarette either..If I had just helped cover up a crime by moving a deceased child and helped stage an abductions scene I would be smoking too.. A whole pack... ALL twenty in my mouth at one time....And I don't even smoke...JMHO

 

[dodie20]

Chelsea also always in thick of the action too (has you put it
The thing with Tommy anyone that follow the case seen Tommy spiral out of control each day. That started my hinky meter going on him.

True with Greenwood or Hardy never did:waitasec:

what you said about Tommy spiralling out of control...I noticed it too. IMO, he looks like the truth is eating him up...not because of remorse, but because he's scared for himself. That's just an opinion, and I could be wrong, but you're right about the hinky meter. Not one person in this case affects me like he does. Misty has had her ups and downs, but she doesn't act like she feels guilty. quite the opposite, actually. IMO, she acts like she did something horribly wrong, but not murder. That's pretty much how I see Ron too. In other words, they act like they have something to hide, but aren't scared. MOO.

 

[tfrohning]

Tommy has lied about alot of things, and I do remember he stated he went to the MH around 10:00 pm or shortly after..IIRC soon after it was revealed Ron C had made a call to Tommy..
I also recall Tommy claiming no one was home when he went to the MH and TN doing everything within her power on NG to debunk his story...Claiming Misty was there but worn out because she and Ron C had spent the entire Sunday night trying to work things out....TN claiming Misty was exhausted and didn't hear Tommy......Long story..short...TN wanted everyone to believe Misty was there with Haleigh and Jr. although Tommy was claiming she wasn't there...Last thing TN wanted anyone to know was Misty and Ron C had not reconciled and Misty was not at the MH with her two grandchildren that night...
My stance is Misty was not at the MH located at 202 Green Lane at 10:00 pm and neither was Tommy... I suspect Misty was at her parent's residence.
And since I believe the dogs hit on that dumpster because Haleigh was put there for a period of time I suspect Tommy may have been at his own residence by then waiting for Lindsy to return home...JMHO

Also, at one time we had a poster here who claimed a noisy vehicle came into the neighborhood around 1:30, stopped near the dumpster and left about 20 minutes later.. Around 2:00 am...So I am not surprised Tommy's dog was barking and pehaps someone called in a complaint.. Also IF Tommy was helping clear out the MH and stage a scene between 12:00 am and 2:00 am it doesn't surprise me to learn he was seen outside his residence smoking a cigarette either..If I had just helped cover up a crime by moving a deceased child and helped stage an abductions scene I would be smoking too.. A whole pack... ALL twenty in my mouth at one time....And I don't even smoke...JMHO

that poster posted on Brown's blog. he now think that it was Tommy's car or truck that went down his street:waitasec: and park there the dumpster.

 

[Skully]

If I had the resources, I would still search the river. I would go up to the North part point where the that railroad crossing goes over the river and connects to the other side. I don't remember the name of the road it parallels but my money is she is still in the river, and a small clump of hair is still caught up on some of the roots in the cypress trees. Caylee left one hair behind, I think Haleigh left some too.

 

[Emeralgem]

that poster posted on Brown's blog. he now think that it was Tommy's car or truck that went down his street:waitasec: and park there the dumpster.

Ever since those three dogs hit on that dumpster I have thought Haleigh was placed in/under that dumpster temporarily until other arrangments could be made to dispose of her remains...I have always thought Tommy was the one who placed her there too..So I'm not surprised to learn he was the one who may have removed her too and taken her to another location....IIRC Tommy has said Haleigh was deceased many hours before the 911 call was ever made. Sheriff Hardy stated in his interview right after the Shell Harbor search he thought it was quite possible Haleigh died in the Shell Harbor area. If my assumption is correct the incident could have occurred at Hank Sr. and Lisa's residence. I'm inclined to believe that is where she died.

Do I believe Tommy or Misty killed Haleigh?
No, I do not. I believe Haleigh got caught up in an altercation between Ron C and Misty or Ron C and someone else..IMO Haleigh paid the ultimate price due to his out of control anger.. I believe he then high tailed it out of there.. Too bad Misty and members of her family allowed themselves to be manipulated or threatened into helping out that night instead of calling LE immediately...JMHO

 

[lonetraveler]

Ever since those three dogs hit on that dumpster I have thought Haleigh was placed in/under that dumpster temporarily until other arrangments could be made to dispose of her remains...I have always thought Tommy was the one who placed her there too..So I'm not surprised to learn he was the one who may have removed her too and taken her to another location....IIRC Tommy has said Haleigh was deceased many hours before the 911 call was ever made. Sheriff Hardy stated in his interview right after the Shell Harbor search he thought it was quite possible Haleigh died in the Shell Harbor area. If my assumption is correct the incident could have occurred at Hank Sr. and Lisa's residence. I'm inclined to believe that is where she died.

Do I believe Tommy or Misty killed Haleigh?
No, I do not. I believe Haleigh got caught up in an altercation between Ron C and Misty or Ron C and someone else..IMO Haleigh paid the ultimate price due to his out of control anger.. I believe he then high tailed it out of there.. Too bad Misty and members of her family allowed themselves to be manipulated or threatened into helping out that night instead of calling LE immediately...JMHO

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: Ditto, ditto, ditto...........I agree with everything you posted...............again.

 

[Emeralgem]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: Ditto, ditto, ditto...........I agree with everything you posted...............again.

LOL... Lone, it's more like again and again and again and again and again...
I sound like a broken record, but hey, I feel the need to maintain my stance especially with all the red herrings that have been thrown down to deflect from the truth as to what really happened that afternoon/early evening...JMHO

 

[Whisperer]

Why would tommy go back and place her near the dumpster on Tyler if the crime occured @ Shell?

One of the things I see differently than you, EM, is the misty aspect. She's very self-absorbed and I think she has a raging temper. She is capable of being involved with the death of Haleigh even by herself. I see her as a sociopath and very capable of handling the matter.

RC definitely knows what happened to Haleigh and is either totally responsible or believes he's partially responsible for her death.

 

[Emeralgem]

Why would tommy go back and place her near the dumpster on Tyler if the crime occured @ Shell?

One of the things I see differently than you, EM, is the misty aspect. She's very self-absorbed and I think she has a raging temper. She is capable of being involved with the death of Haleigh even by herself. I see her as a sociopath and very capable of handling the matter.RC definitely knows what happened to Haleigh and is either totally responsible or believes he's partially responsible for her death.

I would imagine he took her over to dumpster close to Tyler because no way would they have just left her in the van or in Hank Sr and Lisa's house until Ron C and his family came up with a plan and made arrangements to have her remains disposed of...I suspect we are talking about Haleigh being deceased anywhere from 8 to 10 hours before that 911 call was made and she was reported as being abducted... ..I also suspect Ron C hauled azz out of there immediately if not sooner, I also supsect he called TN or GGMS and they told him to get to work as soon as possible and they would work on a plan and provide an alibi for him...

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IMO.. Misty is flat messed up. I suspect she is totally co-dependant, and with little self esteem, but I do not view her as being a sociopath or capable of killing Haleigh...or anyone else...
IMO Ron C and Casey Anthony are the one who fit that profile.. Not Misty or Tommy...JMHO...

ETA.. I believe Ron C is the one responsible and Misty is the one who feels she is partially responsible and that is WHY she allowed herself to go along with Ron C's plan...I do believe that took some coaxing though.. I suspect the BIG BLOW UP on the phone between Ron C and Misty at 8:30 was over what to do with Haleigh's body....JMHO

 

[Whisperer]

If crime occured at shell, I would think the river there would be the first place they think about. If she was placed there, I agree the crime occurred at Magnolia. However, there is also a private dock and river on Smith Lane where Timmy lived. As, of course, there is water near ron's.

I would think she was in a covered vehicle. If she was driven away from scene, she would have been placed in a container such as a cooler. It appeared that Tommy kept rope and coolers in the back of the van. I have no idea if he was involved. As I said misty is very capable...she could have borrowed the vehicle. She is not the helpless little girl she chooses to play on camera. She lies. Her meeting up with rc was the worst scenario possible for those children. I don't think she would cover for rc. She is keeping quiet because she is directly involved.

I see how people can get snowed by her though. There were times she pulled at my heart strings. For now, I am standing by my first impression that she is a liar and a player. I see glimmers of casey in her. Ron is a criminal and has a criminal mind. He is a liar and he is also a sociopath but I think misty is more cunning. The testing that misty took shows some significant markers for soicopathy. I wish they would have rc take the test with results given.

 

[Emeralgem]

If crime occured at shell, I would think the river there would be the first place they think about. If she was placed there, I agree the crime occurred at Magnolia. However, there is also a private dock and river on Smith Lane where Timmy lived. As, of course, there is water near ron's.

I would think she was in a covered vehicle. If she was driven away from scene, she would have been placed in a container such as a cooler. It appeared that Tommy kept rope and coolers in the back of the van. I have no idea if he was involved. As I said misty is very capable...she could have borrowed the vehicle. She is not the helpless little girl she chooses to play on camera. She lies. Her meeting up with rc was the worst scenario possible for those children. I don't think she would cover for rc. She is keeping quiet because she is directly involved.

I see how people can get snowed by her though. There were times she pulled at my heart strings. For now, I am standing by my first impression that she is a liar and a player. I see glimmers of casey in her. Ron is a criminal and has a criminal mind. He is a liar and he is also a sociopath but I think misty is more cunning. The testing that misty took shows some significant markers for soicopathy. I wish they would have rc take the test with results given.

I will most definitely agree she has lied, but IMHO she is not a convincing liar so she hasn't snowed me and she doesn't pull at my heart strings either...IMO she has made nothing but disastrous stupid decisions by allowing Ron C and family to manipulate her into thinking they were supporting her when in all reality their main goal (coming out the gate) was to set her and her family up to take the fall for Ron C.....JMHO

 

[dodie20]

Why would tommy go back and place her near the dumpster on Tyler if the crime occured @ Shell?

One of the things I see differently than you, EM, is the misty aspect. She's very self-absorbed and I think she has a raging temper. She is capable of being involved with the death of Haleigh even by herself. I see her as a sociopath and very capable of handling the matter.

RC definitely knows what happened to Haleigh and is either totally responsible or believes he's partially responsible for her death.

I read your post and agreed..and then I thought, where does Tommy fit in? That's my problem...when I look at any one person as the perp, I can't figure out how to explain the other's behaviors. Tommy wouldn't cover for Ron and vice versa. Would Misty cover for anybody but herself? I'm not so sure but her covering for Tommy is the only way the Tommy theory fits. Would those 2 guys go to the lengths they have, to protect Misty? Tommy has lost everything and I just don't see him as the brotherly protector. When I think about their overall attitudes, Ron seems the most detached...maybe some of that is calculated, but if you notice, it's Tommy, Misty, and CC who are making up the wild stories... the JO did it story, and the picture they claimed was of a live Haleigh, and Misty's 'Haleigh is alive' poem. deflection and diversion at its most obvious. Seriously, it was so obvious, I almost missed the point. What I think may have happened was this... Tommy was the perp and he involved Misty somehow. either by force, or by leaving a dead Haleigh for her to find and deal with. Who would she call 1st? her brother who lived 100 yards up the block? Maybe he offered to help her with a disposal, while telling her it was her fault for leaving the kids for a stranger to walk in on. But the cops were relentless with her, and if she developed a rebellion, she could have turned this into a family thing against the cops. All of this is just another theory, based on very little information. Dang, if we had the phone records, we could at least eliminate some ideas. I want to know who Misty was on the phone with while in the yard. MOO.

 

[dodie20]

another thing ...if Misty got home to a dead child, she would have been in shock and traumatized beyond belief. If she called her brother for help, (because he was right up the road), I think she would have done whatever he told her to do...even something criminal or gruesome. Misty wasn't the typical 17 year old teenager. She was already hardened and I can imagine her coldly going about a disposal, in order to avoid trouble. MOO.