General theory thread and motives rehashed #4

[Flossie JMO]

I read your post and agreed..and then I thought, where does Tommy fit in? That's my problem...when I look at any one person as the perp, I can't figure out how to explain the other's behaviors. Tommy wouldn't cover for Ron and vice versa. Would Misty cover for anybody but herself? I'm not so sure but her covering for Tommy is the only way the Tommy theory fits. Would those 2 guys go to the lengths they have, to protect Misty? Tommy has lost everything and I just don't see him as the brotherly protector. When I think about their overall attitudes, Ron seems the most detached...maybe some of that is calculated, but if you notice, it's Tommy, Misty, and CC who are making up the wild stories... the JO did it story, and the picture they claimed was of a live Haleigh, and Misty's 'Haleigh is alive' poem. deflection and diversion at its most obvious. Seriously, it was so obvious, I almost missed the point. What I think may have happened was this... Tommy was the perp and he involved Misty somehow. either by force, or by leaving a dead Haleigh for her to find and deal with. Who would she call 1st? her brother who lived 100 yards up the block? Maybe he offered to help her with a disposal, while telling her it was her fault for leaving the kids for a stranger to walk in on. But the cops were relentless with her, and if she developed a rebellion, she could have turned this into a family thing against the cops. All of this is just another theory, based on very little information. Dang, if we had the phone records, we could at least eliminate some ideas. I want to know who Misty was on the phone with while in the yard. MOO.

JMO Misty would cover for herself, and Tommy. Nobody would cover for Ron, especially Tommy. No way no how would Tommy or Misty cover for Ron. JMO I think Misty covers for herself and it may be that she left the trailer. JMO. It also may be that she and Tommy hooked up and HaLeigh caught them. I think she knows Tommy was there. I don't think Joe was, but was an easy one to blame JMO. If Misty could get out, she would, IMO, and so would Tommy. I think Misty and Tommy will never come clean. Misty had Ron and said it was better than she ever had imo, and Tommy had Lindsy and 3 kids. They would lose it all if people knew. JMO

 

[Flossie JMO]

another thing ...if Misty got home to a dead child, she would have been in shock and traumatized beyond belief. If she called her brother for help, (because he was right up the road), I think she would have done whatever he told her to do...even something criminal or gruesome. Misty wasn't the typical 17 year old teenager. She was already hardened and I can imagine her coldly going about a disposal, in order to avoid trouble. MOO.

Good point Dodie

 

[dodie20]

Why would tommy go back and place her near the dumpster on Tyler if the crime occured @ Shell?

One of the things I see differently than you, EM, is the misty aspect. She's very self-absorbed and I think she has a raging temper. She is capable of being involved with the death of Haleigh even by herself. I see her as a sociopath and very capable of handling the matter.

RC definitely knows what happened to Haleigh and is either totally responsible or believes he's partially responsible for her death.

Something I've done in this case, is used the process of elimination. Who would cover for whom? (That's my burning question?) Who has lost the most...relative to presumed innocence. I think Ron would cover for Misty, but only up to a point. and never for Tommy. I don't think Tommy would cover for anybody. I think Misty might initially cover for Ron, but those days are long gone. I do think she would cover for Tommy. She went along with his JO story, afterall. They've all lost their freedom and I'd think the innocent ones would be racing to the DA's office...but they're not. So, either they're all culpable, (which is almost unbelievable), or they've given up hope? Ron lost his freedom and custody of Jr. His aunt, (who he seemed close to), died, and his grandmother isn't getting any younger. Misty lost her freedom. That's about it. Tommy lost his freedom, his wife divorced him, and I doubt she takes the kids for visits. When I look at this, I have to wonder why Ron, if he's innocent, hasn't talked more. But he did make a deal to tell the truth, so he's probably talking some. Misty doesn't seem to be suffering much, so that could explain why she's not talking. She was reportedly offered ammunity, but obviously still hasn't taken it. Tommy on the other hand, has lost the most, IMO. Is protecting his sister worth 15 years and the loss of his wife and kids? IMO, he's the most self centered of the 3. He wasn't worried about his kids not having food, just his bail, so IMO, he's not the type to sacrifice for anyone. As far as I know, he hasn't been offered any deals. Another thing I take into consideration when comparing Misty and Tommy is a murder sentence. On one hand, Misty was a 17 year old girl, who was the primary caregiver of 2 kids...1 sick and the other not much more than a baby. She was in a rotten situation and if she killed Haleigh, she could blame stress. She wouldn't be in any more trouble than she is right now. Wouldn't Tommy see this logic? If she's guilty, he could tell his story, let her serve the 25 years she's stuck with anyway, and be on his merry way.Telling this truth wouldn't hurt Misty and it would help him. But on the other hand, if Tommy's guilty, that's a whole other ball of wax. What would be Misty's motivation to tell this truth? She would still be stuck with 25 years and her brother would be looking at the death penalty. MOO.

 

[dodie20]

Maybe looking at this from an opposite view, might help us see things better. Instead of looking at evidence that points toward a person, I'm going to look at evidence that points away, and see what holds up. Ron...he was at work that night. people claim to have seen Haleigh while he was at work. he was caught on video on his way home from work. he was offered a deal. Misty... cops claimed they had reason to believe she wasn't home all night, therefore opening up an opportunity to an abduction. (but if she was gone, where are the witnesses?) she was reportedly offered a deal. Tommy...his wife claimed he was home, (but I guess he later ruined that alibi with his JO story). when they got the phone call about Haleigh, his wife claimed he was in a deep sleep and hard to wake up. Anymore for these 3? because this isn't much. But to be fair, it would be almost impossible for an innocent person to have an airtight alibi for a complete day and night. Unless he was in jail, it would be hard to prove no opportunity. MOO.

 

[dodie20]

JMO Misty would cover for herself, and Tommy. Nobody would cover for Ron, especially Tommy. No way no how would Tommy or Misty cover for Ron. JMO I think Misty covers for herself and it may be that she left the trailer. JMO. It also may be that she and Tommy hooked up and HaLeigh caught them. I think she knows Tommy was there. I don't think Joe was, but was an easy one to blame JMO. If Misty could get out, she would, IMO, and so would Tommy. I think Misty and Tommy will never come clean. Misty had Ron and said it was better than she ever had imo, and Tommy had Lindsy and 3 kids. They would lose it all if people knew. JMO

The speculation about Misty and Tommy has been going around for awhile, and I just can't believe it. 1st of all, Ron took Misty back after the WBG weekend, so he was pretty forgiving. Yes I realize that she did her share of forgiving too, but that's kind of beside the point in this situation. Also, Misty has never had a problem claiming rape. She could have convinced Ron, I think. If Haleigh threatened to tell LC, Tommy could have done what he usually does...laugh it off and call her a liar. So even if something like that did happen, I just don't see it being a motive for murder. If I'm not mistaken, Jr's mother said he saw the couch bouncing after Haleigh was taken and Misty was supposedly asleep. so...back to square 1. JMO..

 

[Whisperer]

I go back and forth.

I firmly believe that misty and ron were fighting for at least x2 weeks prior. I say misty was balking at babysitting at night. She didn't sign on for that. She would watch them during the day, not at night. The family has kept this from coming out. The wanted a picture of a perfect little family with a mature baby-sitter on board.

Ron was running short on sanity with this behavior. He was at his wit's end. Furthermore AS and TN were really losing patience with this behavior. AS was NOT going to babysit at those hours either. rc had a serious problem. He wanted to have a good job but this babysitting problem was going to cost him his job. He was fuming.

The fact that misty was partying hardy and Feb 9 murder has not been lost on me. RC was not a forgiving guy. He would have got even w/misty for sleeping w/WBG. His temper was high that day. Did he swat Haleigh in his fury? I sure can't buy his loving explanation of Haleigh sitting on his lap driving home. RC would have been in a hurry to get to work. Instead he tells a way too lengthy Walton tale of lovingly kissing Haleigh, misty and Jr Goodbye. I ain't buying that.

I would say he was angry,,,real angry. I don't even know if misty were there but since she insists she was, I guess I have to put her there. Misty doesn't want to be there, she wants to be w/WBG. She also is short on patience and is not in any mood to handle these kids who wouldn't go to sleep so she could leave.

Did she call rc to tell him off and say she was leaving the house and not putting up with this. Did she say Haleigh was giving her a hard time? Did he tell her what to do? Did she do it and Haleigh died because of it? Don't know. But something happened about 8:30pm. Did rc sneak out of work and come home to handle this situation? Is that when it happened? Don't know.

Since tommy now wants to be there too...Okay. Did Haleigh die and tommy disposed of the body? perhaps. Did rc know he disposed of the body? maybe. Now all three are culpable. misty didn't call for help. tommy disposed of a body and ron may have done the damage (he or misty).

He turned around and decided to marry misty because that is what she wanted and he wanted to make sure that she didn't decide to file stat charges on him; besides this will put the final nail in the coffin as he now looks good legally and this will assure him that JR will remain with him. JR remaining with him is a constant theme in this case.

I still do not know for sure who killed Haleigh but I know for sure that rc and misty were both most likely extremely angry with each other and neither were able to handle the kids in that mood. Add some drinking, drugs and guns to it and you have the ingredients for something veryl bad to happen.

 

[Emeralgem]

IIRC..Misty certainly wasn't covering for Tommy on that LVA she took back in August 2009 when she was still married to Ron C.... She threw him smack dab under the bus..

I don't view Ron C as being forgiving either. His diabolical tactics when it comes to talking out of both sides of his mouth concerning Misty as well as Crystal and others is almost mindboggling...Guess he just isn't quite as intelligent as some would like for us to believe he is...JMHO

 

[Flossie JMO]

The speculation about Misty and Tommy has been going around for awhile, and I just can't believe it. 1st of all, Ron took Misty back after the WBG weekend, so he was pretty forgiving. Yes I realize that she did her share of forgiving too, but that's kind of beside the point in this situation. Also, Misty has never had a problem claiming rape. She could have convinced Ron, I think. If Haleigh threatened to tell LC, Tommy could have done what he usually does...laugh it off and call her a liar. So even if something like that did happen, I just don't see it being a motive for murder. If I'm not mistaken, Jr's mother said he saw the couch bouncing after Haleigh was taken and Misty was supposedly asleep. so...back to square 1. JMO..

I don't know, forgiving a fling is different than accepting someone having a relationship with their brother. JMO. Lindsy made a comment in one of the jail tapes, I think she suspected it, and I don't think she would forgive it. Just a possibility it happened IMO. My other thought is Tommy went to see if Misty was at the trailer, and when he realized she wasn't, he saw a sick opportunity. JMO, and I hate to think it

 

[Emeralgem]

Anyone recall ever hearing or seeing a tattoo over Misty's heart with Tommy's name on it?

I do recall hearing she has the name Ronald Cummings Sr. tattooed on her backside though..

We also know Ron C adamantly objected to claims he had paid for her to get that tattoo.. He also adamantly proclaimed he did not have any tattoos with her name tattooed on his body so we know Misty isn't anyone special to him....

IMO.. Tommy was Misty's least favorite brother and no way was she engaged in an incestuous relationship with him....JMHO

 

[dodie20]

I go back and forth.

I firmly believe that misty and ron were fighting for at least x2 weeks prior. I say misty was balking at babysitting at night. She didn't sign on for that. She would watch them during the day, not at night. The family has kept this from coming out. The wanted a picture of a perfect little family with a mature baby-sitter on board.

Ron was running short on sanity with this behavior. He was at his wit's end. Furthermore AS and TN were really losing patience with this behavior. AS was NOT going to babysit at those hours either. rc had a serious problem. He wanted to have a good job but this babysitting problem was going to cost him his job. He was fuming.

The fact that misty was partying hardy and Feb 9 murder has not been lost on me. RC was not a forgiving guy. He would have got even w/misty for sleeping w/WBG. His temper was high that day. Did he swat Haleigh in his fury? I sure can't buy his loving explanation of Haleigh sitting on his lap driving home. RC would have been in a hurry to get to work. Instead he tells a way too lengthy Walton tale of lovingly kissing Haleigh, misty and Jr Goodbye. I ain't buying that.

I would say he was angry,,,real angry. I don't even know if misty were there but since she insists she was, I guess I have to put her there. Misty doesn't want to be there, she wants to be w/WBG. She also is short on patience and is not in any mood to handle these kids who wouldn't go to sleep so she could leave.

Did she call rc to tell him off and say she was leaving the house and not putting up with this. Did she say Haleigh was giving her a hard time? Did he tell her what to do? Did she do it and Haleigh died because of it? Don't know. But something happened about 8:30pm. Did rc sneak out of work and come home to handle this situation? Is that when it happened? Don't know.

Since tommy now wants to be there too...Okay. Did Haleigh die and tommy disposed of the body? perhaps. Did rc know he disposed of the body? maybe. Now all three are culpable. misty didn't call for help. tommy disposed of a body and ron may have done the damage (he or misty).

He turned around and decided to marry misty because that is what she wanted and he wanted to make sure that she didn't decide to file stat charges on him; besides this will put the final nail in the coffin as he now looks good legally and this will assure him that JR will remain with him. JR remaining with him is a constant theme in this case.

I still do not know for sure who killed Haleigh but I know for sure that rc and misty were both most likely extremely angry with each other and neither were able to handle the kids in that mood. Add some drinking, drugs and guns to it and you have the ingredients for something veryl bad to happen.

Oh yeah, I never believed the loving reconciliation TN talked about. No way could anybody let a huge fight and weekend like that just go. I believe they all expected things to pick back up where they left off...with Misty carpooling Haleigh, babysitting while Ron was at work, fixing dinner, etc...I doubt after her 'fun filled' weekend, she was ready to get back to the grind. She either wanted to go out, IMO, or was exhausted and ready to crash. According to TN, she was exhausted. According to her dad, she slept like a log and was impossible to wake up. But according to LE, they had reason to believe she was gone. Also, if she was almost impossible to wake up, what did wake her up? She slept through Haleigh being abducted but then woke up to what? and right before Ron got home, coincidentally enough. I would think if she was guilty, she would have faked sleep until Ron got home and then acted surprised. and there was an early report where she WAS alseep and HE found Haleigh missing. But there was also an early report where Misty was Ron's cousin, so all the reports have to be taken with a grain of salt, I guess. Actually after she and Tommy told the JO story, I don't believe any of the earlier reports. Because of the way she and Tommy have acted, it's MOO, they were in on something together. Honestly, I can't imagine them committing murder together. It looks like 1 was the murderer and the other was the helper. Misty being the murderer makes the most sense, but Tommy doesn't act like he was just the helper. I'm not even sure he WOULD help. What kind of person would agree to dispose of a dead child? Even if he was capable, which I think he was, the problems would have outweighed the benefits. I think he would have told her to leave him out of it. Misty, on the other hand, DOES seem like the helper type. She has shown that she'll say anything somebody tells her to. In her letter/poem, she ended it by explaining that DB gave her the pills for her own addiction. Up until then, she had always denied being an addict. IDK who told her to write that, but she was obviously trying to help DB, IMO. And it came out that she went along with the JO story at Tommy's request. and IMO, a lot of her changed stories were done in order to make Ron look better. Has this girl ever spoken her own mind? moo.

 

[4Jacy]

Oh yeah, I never believed the loving reconciliation TN talked about. No way could anybody let a huge fight and weekend like that just go. I believe they all expected things to pick back up where they left off...with Misty carpooling Haleigh, babysitting while Ron was at work, fixing dinner, etc...I doubt after her 'fun filled' weekend, she was ready to get back to the grind. She either wanted to go out, IMO, or was exhausted and ready to crash. According to TN, she was exhausted. According to her dad, she slept like a log and was impossible to wake up. But according to LE, they had reason to believe she was gone. Also, if she was almost impossible to wake up, what did wake her up? She slept through Haleigh being abducted but then woke up to what? and right before Ron got home, coincidentally enough. I would think if she was guilty, she would have faked sleep until Ron got home and then acted surprised. and there was an early report where she WAS alseep and HE found Haleigh missing. But there was also an early report where Misty was Ron's cousin, so all the reports have to be taken with a grain of salt, I guess. Actually after she and Tommy told the JO story, I don't believe any of the earlier reports. Because of the way she and Tommy have acted, it's MOO, they were in on something together. Honestly, I can't imagine them committing murder together. It looks like 1 was the murderer and the other was the helper. Misty being the murderer makes the most sense, but Tommy doesn't act like he was just the helper. I'm not even sure he WOULD help. What kind of person would agree to dispose of a dead child? Even if he was capable, which I think he was, the problems would have outweighed the benefits. I think he would have told her to leave him out of it. Misty, on the other hand, DOES seem like the helper type. She has shown that she'll say anything somebody tells her to. In her letter/poem, she ended it by explaining that DB gave her the pills for her own addiction. Up until then, she had always denied being an addict. IDK who told her to write that, but she was obviously trying to help DB, IMO. And it came out that she went along with the JO story at Tommy's request. and IMO, a lot of her changed stories were done in order to make Ron look better. Has this girl ever spoken her own mind? moo.

BBM

Whatever happened, happened on Misty's watch. If Misty found Haleigh dead (due to a previous fight between her and RC, or if HC was given drugs, or whatever) and she asked Tommy to help her and he refused, as you suggested, who else could/would she turn to? Timmy. Misty had said that Timmy was the one she could always count on.

If Timmy said he would help, he probably insisted Tommy help also. That brings me to Lindsay telling Tommy (while he was in jail) that she threw out his boots along with Timmy's boots. I have never forgotten that. To me, it was so over the top, and also a way for LC to let Tommy know she disposed of the evidence.

 

[Emeralgem]

BBM

Whatever happened, happened on Misty's watch. If Misty found Haleigh dead (due to a previous fight between her and RC, or if HC was given drugs, or whatever) and she asked Tommy to help her and he refused, as you suggested, who else could/would she turn to? Timmy. Misty had said that Timmy was the one she could always count on.

If Timmy said he would help, he probably insisted Tommy help also. That brings me to Lindsay telling Tommy (while he was in jail) that she threw out his boots along with Timmy's boots. I have never forgotten that. To me, it was so over the top, and also a way for LC to let Tommy know she disposed of the evidence.

I suspect it was on Misty's watch, but I also suspect TN is the one who called Misty, asked her to babysit and didn't get Ron C's approval..
I suspect Ron C went ballistic when he got to the bus stop and found out Haleigh had left in that van....If you remember, J Santos stated Haleigh got into the van and the van drove off in the opposite direction of the MH on Green Lane..No doubt in my mind whatever happened to Haleigh occurred when Ron C caught up with Misty......She was never in that MH on Green Lane, eating dinner, alive and well that night like GGMS has claimed she was......JMHO
I imagine all HELL broke loose when Ron C caught up with Misty...I suspect Haleigh was the one who paid the ultimate price....JMHO

 

[dodie20]

BBM

Whatever happened, happened on Misty's watch. If Misty found Haleigh dead (due to a previous fight between her and RC, or if HC was given drugs, or whatever) and she asked Tommy to help her and he refused, as you suggested, who else could/would she turn to? Timmy. Misty had said that Timmy was the one she could always count on.

If Timmy said he would help, he probably insisted Tommy help also. That brings me to Lindsay telling Tommy (while he was in jail) that she threw out his boots along with Timmy's boots. I have never forgotten that. To me, it was so over the top, and also a way for LC to let Tommy know she disposed of the evidence.

after I sent that post, I actually thought what you just said. If another family member asked Tommy to help, he probably would, especially if things were already moving right along. Actually I'm not as stuck on Tommy being the perp as I might seem. I haven't ruled out anybody. It would help if we had more information so we could eliminate some of these people. I'd say I'm at about 55% Tommy, 30% Misty, and 15% other. I haven't even ruled out a stranger abduction. If we take into consideration that some people lie about everything on general principal and these people had plenty of bad behavior to hide, then a stranger abduction doesn't seem that farfetched. JMO.

 

[4Jacy]

I suspect it was on Misty's watch, but I also suspect TN is the one who called Misty, asked her to babysit and didn't get Ron C's approval..
I suspect Ron C went ballistic when he got to the bus stop and found out Haleigh had left in that van....If you remember, J Santos stated Haleigh got into the van and the van drove off in the opposite direction of the MH on Green Lane..No doubt in my mind whatever happened to Haleigh occurred when Ron C caught up with Misty......She was never in that MH on Green Lane, eating dinner, alive and well that night like GGMS has claimed she was......JMHO
I imagine all HELL broke loose when Ron C caught up with Misty...I suspect Haleigh was the one who paid the ultimate price....JMHO

BBM

Sooo, Misty probably high tailed it to her parents house on Magnolia. What say you, Em?

 

[Emeralgem]

BBM

Sooo, Misty probably high tailed it to her parents house on Magnolia. What say you, Em?

No, I'm thinking Misty was staying at her parents house on Magnolia after she came back from three days of partying with WBG and Nay Nay...I'm thinking TN called her to get her to babysit. IIRC it was revealed she agreed IF it was ok with Ronald... I'm thinking TN never cleared it with Ronald....JMHO

 

[titanfan62702]

No, I'm thinking Misty was staying at her parents house on Magnolia after she came back from three days of partying with WBG and Nay Nay...I'm thinking TN called her to get her to babysit. IIRC it was revealed she agreed IF it was ok with Ronald... I'm thinking TN never cleared it with Ronald....JMHO

I remember something about Misty being at her parents. Wasn't that where someone dropped her off?

 

[4Jacy]

No, I'm thinking Misty was staying at her parents house on Magnolia after she came back from three days of partying with WBG and Nay Nay...I'm thinking TN called her to get her to babysit. IIRC it was revealed she agreed IF it was ok with Ronald... I'm thinking TN never cleared it with Ronald....JMHO

Yes, I get that. But where was Misty heading after picking up Haleigh at the bus stop with Ron (supposedly in hot pursuit?) :banghead:

 

[lonetraveler]

If crime occured at shell, I would think the river there would be the first place they think about. If she was placed there, I agree the crime occurred at Magnolia. However, there is also a private dock and river on Smith Lane where Timmy lived. As, of course, there is water near ron's.

I would think she was in a covered vehicle. If she was driven away from scene, she would have been placed in a container such as a cooler. It appeared that Tommy kept rope and coolers in the back of the van. I have no idea if he was involved. As I said misty is very capable...she could have borrowed the vehicle. She is not the helpless little girl she chooses to play on camera. She lies. Her meeting up with rc was the worst scenario possible for those children. I don't think she would cover for rc. She is keeping quiet because she is directly involved.

I see how people can get snowed by her though. There were times she pulled at my heart strings. For now, I am standing by my first impression that she is a liar and a player. I see glimmers of casey in her. Ron is a criminal and has a criminal mind. He is a liar and he is also a sociopath but I think misty is more cunning. The testing that misty took shows some significant markers for soicopathy. I wish they would have rc take the test with results given.

BBM: Yes, yes, yes...................oh yes.

 

[Emeralgem]

Yes, I get that. But where was Misty heading after picking up Haleigh at the bus stop with Ron (supposedly in hot pursuit?) :banghead:

Sorry about that 4Jacy I guess I didn't understand what you were saying...
I'm thinking she was headed to her parent's house IF she was driving that van..I still haven't figured out IF it was Chelsy who could have been driving that afternoon....
I know Chelsy put herself at the bus stop that day and has even stated Ron C picked up Haleigh but I'm thinking Chelsy isn't being honest...
IMO She knows what happened to Haleigh... She claims she heard Haleigh was missing when she and Timmy received a phone call around 4:00 am in the morning..I suspect thats not the case considering she also claims she was up late filling out insurance forms...IF they went to Gainesville that afternoon they didn't get home until later that night...We know Tommy called their home...Jo even stated when they got the call they left immediately. Leaving him at home with the children....JMHO..

 

[TexasLori]

Hey all. New to this case and I want to catch up. Any suggestions where to start? I particularly want to see how the stories changed/evolved with the key players. Thanks!!