General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

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Tommy really is the odd man out. He shouldn't be involved at all, but here he is, in the thick of the action. I've thought at times, that he was an after the fact kind of guy, but I really don't think so anymore. If that was the case, he would have spilled all and got back to his family. Sorry, but I think Tommy has been called a suspect for good reasons. And somehow Misty became involved, and that's what she and Ron have been covering. It's the only thing that explains all 3 of their actions, IMO. Add that to whatever was going on with Ron, Tommy, and Joe, and whatever led up to that night, and I can think of plenty of reasons that Ron might cover. Also, once he started covering for Misty, there would be no turning back. How could he ever justify lying for her? especially if she had something to do with the murder? This is just a theory, but the only other thing that makes sense to me, is they're ALL guilty of murder. JMO.

bbm, ITA, and I don't think Tommy or Misty would cover for Ron, and I don't think he would cover for either of them JMO

My questions are what did Tommy do? :( what does Misty know? :( and will we or HaLeigh's family ever know? :( Will HaLeigh ever be found? :( Will LE ever be able to prove it or lay charges? :(

I don't think Joe was involved. JMO
 
Ron's attorney did this again when he said something like, "we still have people, putting Ron at the bus stop'. He never explained what people, and he didn't talk about the people who were putting Misty at the bus stop. So many things were left unsaid. Really, I don't know why who picked Haleigh up is such an issue. I have some ideas, but they're not very good, because they don't jibe with the insistence to lie. The best I can make out, is it might have something to do with Misty maybe smacking a little boy, or the conversation she was overheard having about bad drugs. I have a feeling this is one of those times, when LE has information, that they haven't shared with the public. For instance, and totally hypothetical...if Misty picked up Haleigh, where was Ron? What was he doing? If LE confronted him with a tip, Ron might have said, ' absolutely wasn't me, because I was at the bus stop', etc... but even that wouldn't explain the insistence, because him taking Misty AWAY from the bus stop, seems to have been the point. Anyway, Ron's lawyer throwing out that statement, grabbed my attention, because it was so random. IMO, I took it that LE was having a problem with Ron's story, and his lawyer was playing defense and trying to solidify his account. But, regardless of what happened during that time frame, it's MOO that it's extremely important...important enough to still be lying about. And that's only if you believe the bus stop witnesses, which I do. JMO

Exactly, Ronald's attorney puts out that people are putting Ronald at the busstop. He is leaving it to the person hearing this to infer that Ronald picked up Haleigh. People could have just said that they have seen Ronald at the bus stop prior to Haleigh disappearing or that Ronald was at the bus stop that day but not necessarily picking up Haleigh (ie., Misty could have already picked Haleigh up before Ronald arrived at the bus stop). Word games.
 
Well, just counting backwards starting at 3am you would end up at 7pm the prior evening. 7 pm is the original time that Annette Sykes said that "We" went by the MH. Of course, this could also be the actual time that Ronald showed up at work, since he has been reported to have been seen at around 6 pm by two men who say he was waving a gun and threatening to rob a drug dealer. Annette's story changed later to 8pm and Misty's phone was supposedly turned off at around 8:30 pm that evening. Ron couldn't get up with her and as far as we know, didn't talk with her until right after 3am the next morning. But, and that is a big But, Teresa Neves was concerned IMO about the children and admitted that she sent a relative over to check on the children that evening. Annette, much later on, stated that she was really pizzzzzzed that Misty had left Ronald without someone to babysit the kids. I think that all the points above point to the children being left alone by Ronald and that is why Annette S. was sent over to check on the kids. That is if you believe the story of Annette going over to the MH at all. It also lends credence that Misty wasn't there that evening at all. I think that there are people who were very much involved with covering up this crime who are not in prison.

There is footage on NG, probably the last time Annette was on. Shes asked, by the time she got to the trailer, 7:30, was Ron at work, she thinks for a sec and says, yes at this time he was, which I believe but she knows he punched into work at 7. They all do.

jmo
 
Ron's attorney did this again when he said something like, "we still have people, putting Ron at the bus stop'. He never explained what people, and he didn't talk about the people who were putting Misty at the bus stop. So many things were left unsaid. Really, I don't know why who picked Haleigh up is such an issue. I have some ideas, but they're not very good, because they don't jibe with the insistence to lie. The best I can make out, is it might have something to do with Misty maybe smacking a little boy, or the conversation she was overheard having about bad drugs. I have a feeling this is one of those times, when LE has information, that they haven't shared with the public. For instance, and totally hypothetical...if Misty picked up Haleigh, where was Ron? What was he doing? If LE confronted him with a tip, Ron might have said, ' absolutely wasn't me, because I was at the bus stop', etc... but even that wouldn't explain the insistence, because him taking Misty AWAY from the bus stop, seems to have been the point. Anyway, Ron's lawyer throwing out that statement, grabbed my attention, because it was so random. IMO, I took it that LE was having a problem with Ron's story, and his lawyer was playing defense and trying to solidify his account. But, regardless of what happened during that time frame, it's MOO that it's extremely important...important enough to still be lying about. And that's only if you believe the bus stop witnesses, which I do. JMO

In reference to myself.. I believe TN asked Misty to babysit that night... I also believe Misty told TN she would babysit IF it was alright with Ron C.... I believe TN did not get Ron C's approval for Misty to babysit..
I believe Misty and/or Chelsey picked up Haleigh and I believe when Ron C arrived at the bus stop and realized Haleigh had already been picked up he went after Misty and that van... I believe he caught up with Misty at Misty's parent's house and Haleigh died because of her father's out of control temper...

The Cummings Clan want us to believe Ron C picked up Haleigh and took her to the MH on Green Lane and then left for work... Of course they do..Reason being that scenario is the exact opposite of what really happened that afternoon...JMHO
 
Tommy really is the odd man out. He shouldn't be involved at all, but here he is, in the thick of the action. I've thought at times, that he was an after the fact kind of guy, but I really don't think so anymore. If that was the case, he would have spilled all and got back to his family. Sorry, but I think Tommy has been called a suspect for good reasons. And somehow Misty became involved, and that's what she and Ron have been covering. It's the only thing that explains all 3 of their actions, IMO. Add that to whatever was going on with Ron, Tommy, and Joe, and whatever led up to that night, and I can think of plenty of reasons that Ron might cover. Also, once he started covering for Misty, there would be no turning back. How could he ever justify lying for her? especially if she had something to do with the murder? This is just a theory, but the only other thing that makes sense to me, is they're ALL guilty of murder. JMO.

Where I think Tommy comes in to any knowledge its crap Misty told him the night Ron went postal and beat up Tommy. After that, Tommy and Ron were friends which they were not before. This was Aug 6 of 2009, so why would they become close after this incident and not Feb 9? Something happened that day and I believe Misty spilled something and he has no proof which probably infuriates police. Every person in a jail are the ones who know, or know something.

jmo
 
Exactly, Ronald's attorney puts out that people are putting Ronald at the busstop. He is leaving it to the person hearing this to infer that Ronald picked up Haleigh. People could have just said that they have seen Ronald at the bus stop prior to Haleigh disappearing or that Ronald was at the bus stop that day but not necessarily picking up Haleigh (ie., Misty could have already picked Haleigh up before Ronald arrived at the bus stop). Word games.
or those people could have been Ron, Misty, CC, TN, etc...lol, beause they're people, and they all ARE saying he picked her up. In some cases, not naming names, might lend more credibility. JMO.
 
In reference to myself.. I believe TN asked Misty to babysit that night... I also believe Misty told TN she would babysit IF it was alright with Ron C.... I believe TN did not get Ron C's approval for Misty to babysit..
I believe Misty and/or Chelsey picked up Haleigh and I believe when Ron C arrived at the bus stop and realized Haleigh had already been picked up he went after Misty and that van... I believe he caught up with Misty at Misty's parent's house and Haleigh died because of her father's out of control temper...

The Cummings Clan want us to believe Ron C picked up Haleigh and took her to the MH on Green Lane and then left for work... Of course they do..Reason being that scenario is the exact opposite of what really happened that afternoon...JMHO

Ronald could have been so enraged that he struck Haleigh because she got into the van with Misty.
 
Where I think Tommy comes in to any knowledge its crap Misty told him the night Ron went postal and beat up Tommy. After that, Tommy and Ron were friends which they were not before. This was Aug 6 of 2009, so why would they become close after this incident and not Feb 9? Something happened that day and I believe Misty spilled something and he has no proof which probably infuriates police. Every person in a jail are the ones who know, or know something.jmo

BBM: With the exception of Donna, because I believe that she was just a casualty of association, I believe that the people in prison were involved with the Haleigh crime. I just believe that there are more people who need to be serving time right beside them, who are not there.
 
BBM: With the exception of Donna, because I believe that she was just a casualty of association, I believe that the people in prison were involved with the Haleigh crime. I just believe that there are more people who need to be serving time right beside them, who are not there.

I agree, but whatever the cops have, points towards the 4 in prison. Donna was taken because they needed to charge Misty with the charge Donna was involved with and no way could they charge one and not the other. jmo
 
Ronald could have been so enraged that he struck Haleigh because she got into the van with Misty.


That could very well have happened.. He could have also attempted to get her out of a moving van IF Misty was trying to get away from him and Haleigh fell under the wheel but personally no matter how the scenario plays out I believe he shot her accidentally while attempting to play bad azz threatening Misty with a gun..
The look on Misty's face and her reply when asked IF anyone had ever threatened her is quite telling..Ward didn't even mention anything about being threatened with a gun, but she certainly did...JMHO
 
Where I think Tommy comes in to any knowledge its crap Misty told him the night Ron went postal and beat up Tommy. After that, Tommy and Ron were friends which they were not before. This was Aug 6 of 2009, so why would they become close after this incident and not Feb 9? Something happened that day and I believe Misty spilled something and he has no proof which probably infuriates police. Every person in a jail are the ones who know, or know something.jmo

And I suspect there are several who are not in jail who know something too...JMHO
 
Where I think Tommy comes in to any knowledge its crap Misty told him the night Ron went postal and beat up Tommy. After that, Tommy and Ron were friends which they were not before. This was Aug 6 of 2009, so why would they become close after this incident and not Feb 9? Something happened that day and I believe Misty spilled something and he has no proof which probably infuriates police. Every person in a jail are the ones who know, or know something.

jmo
Maybe, but logically speaking, why would someone make up a story that's worse than the truth? I know, I know, lol, logic and these people don't go together, but still. This is one of my problems with the JO story...if Tommy thought that tale would get him a get out of jail free card, IMO, he was sorely mistaken. In his version, he just hung around, (scared out of his wits), and did nothing to save a child or protect his sister and another child. In this story, I didn't have much problem with a scared teenaged girl hiding under the covers, and protecting a child, but I DID have a BIG problem with a big, strapping man doing nothing to stop the murder of a child. IDK what Fl law says, and it may be perfectly legal to watch murders, but I have no doubt that LE would have found something to charge Tommy with. IMO, he wasn't going home. IMO, Tommy knows enough about what's technically legal, to have manipulated a story to his benefit, or so he thought. Listening to him talk to FH and then to his dad, I didn't sense any remorse or regrets or real fear. IMO, he thought he was calling the shots and was home free. The line he kept repeating about him doing something that should have been done a long time ago, sounded so fake and contrived, IMO. It sounded like he came up with a catch phrase, thought it had a good ring to it, and stuck with it. MOO, but remembering his voice, has my blood boiling again. He, who could barely stand to hear Haleigh's name mentioned, all of a sudden was doing the honorable thing? No. And I don't believe he concocted a totally bogus story. Something was there, or LE wouldn't have conducted the search. IMO, Tommy was there that night, and saw and participated in everything. And if the truth comes out, and he really wasn't there, (anything is possible), I'll be floored and then question everything I think I know about human nature. IMO,Tommy is a liar, who has used lies his whole life, to get out of trouble, and i don't think this is any different. MOO.
 
I agree, but whatever the cops have, points towards the 4 in prison. Donna was taken because they needed to charge Misty with the charge Donna was involved with and no way could they charge one and not the other. jmo

I totally agree with LE waiting for a charge with teeth and they really needed the charge they could nail her with in that particular case.
 
Maybe, but logically speaking, why would someone make up a story that's worse than the truth? I know, I know, lol, logic and these people don't go together, but still. This is one of my problems with the JO story...if Tommy thought that tale would get him a get out of jail free card, IMO, he was sorely mistaken. In his version, he just hung around, (scared out of his wits), and did nothing to save a child or protect his sister and another child. In this story, I didn't have much problem with a scared teenaged girl hiding under the covers, and protecting a child, but I DID have a BIG problem with a big, strapping man doing nothing to stop the murder of a child. IDK what Fl law says, and it may be perfectly legal to watch murders, but I have no doubt that LE would have found something to charge Tommy with. IMO, he wasn't going home. IMO, Tommy knows enough about what's technically legal, to have manipulated a story to his benefit, or so he thought. Listening to him talk to FH and then to his dad, I didn't sense any remorse or regrets or real fear. IMO, he thought he was calling the shots and was home free. The line he kept repeating about him doing something that should have been done a long time ago, sounded so fake and contrived, IMO. It sounded like he came up with a catch phrase, thought it had a good ring to it, and stuck with it. MOO, but remembering his voice, has my blood boiling again. He, who could barely stand to hear Haleigh's name mentioned, all of a sudden was doing the honorable thing? No. And I don't believe he concocted a totally bogus story. Something was there, or LE wouldn't have conducted the search. IMO, Tommy was there that night, and saw and participated in everything. And if the truth comes out, and he really wasn't there, (anything is possible), I'll be floored and then question everything I think I know about human nature. IMO,Tommy is a liar, who has used lies his whole life, to get out of trouble, and i don't think this is any different. MOO.

Unless someone actually confesses and LE proves their tale to be true, I'll continue to believe that Tommy was brought into the crime after the fact. I believe that when Ronald called Tommy, he wanted Tommy to come over and help with the cleanup and most likely promised him guns and drugs. I do believe that Tommy solicited help from his brother. From Tommy's actions since the case began, I do believe that he saw a dead Haleigh. I still believe that Misty was at the Magnolia address and was only involved at the very end and then I think that she was brought over to the MH just prior to the 911 call . I in no way believe that anyone in the Cummings side of the family would entrust Haleigh's body to the Croslins. At the very most, the Croslins may have been coerced into taking Haleigh's body to the dumpster to be picked up later by someone in the Cummings family. Tommy was probably told that Misty had killed Haleigh. The Croslins don't know the truth or they would have told it by now. They were set up to take the fall. Ronald never thought in a million years that he would be arrested for drug dealing. He most likely had a friend in the LE department who had been willing to look the other way whenever he was involved. He got way too cocky and arrogant and whoever his friend was before was unwilling to help him out any longer since the case was being scrutinized so closely. Ron's luck ran out.
 
Exactly, Ronald's attorney puts out that people are putting Ronald at the busstop. He is leaving it to the person hearing this to infer that Ronald picked up Haleigh. People could have just said that they have seen Ronald at the bus stop prior to Haleigh disappearing or that Ronald was at the bus stop that day but not necessarily picking up Haleigh (ie., Misty could have already picked Haleigh up before Ronald arrived at the bus stop). Word games.
I've never kept up with a case before Haleigh, but one of the by products, is I'm now very suspicious with legal speak, and try to read between the lines. My town's paper, recently covered a story in which the superintendent, unenrolled his kids and put them in a home school program. He was quoted as saying things like, ' yes, I took my kids out of public school because of medical issues. That's a fact. Yes, they are currently being home schooled. That's a fact. But, I still have a firm faith in public school, and when they're back on track, they will be back in public school. The school board supports this decision, 100%, and know that I put my wife and kids first.' Well, most people took this to mean his kids were deathly ill, and would be back in their school, when they got well. I knew better, lol. I wrote the paper and said something like, 'He never said his kids were sick, and he never said when they got well, they'd be back in their school. And why did he even mention his wife? This sounds like a personal issue, and none of our business, but why not just say so?" Well, I got told I needed to be more sympathetic because he had made it abundantly clear that his kids were sick, and we should all pray, etc... but guess who was right? His wife had left him, and was putting the kids in another district. He didn't want to admit it, because he had been given a lot of money to relocate, house allowance, etc...and had turned his kids school into a magnet school. Anyway, after keeping up with Haleigh, I can spot evasive legal speak, aimost immediately. I bet we all can.
 
Unless someone actually confesses and LE proves their tale to be true, I'll continue to believe that Tommy was brought into the crime after the fact. I believe that when Ronald called Tommy, he wanted Tommy to come over and help with the cleanup and most likely promised him guns and drugs. I do believe that Tommy solicited help from his brother. From Tommy's actions since the case began, I do believe that he saw a dead Haleigh. I still believe that Misty was at the Magnolia address and was only involved at the very end and then I think that she was brought over to the MH just prior to the 911 call . I in no way believe that anyone in the Cummings side of the family would entrust Haleigh's body to the Croslins. At the very most, the Croslins may have been coerced into taking Haleigh's body to the dumpster to be picked up later by someone in the Cummings family. Tommy was probably told that Misty had killed Haleigh and Misty was probably told that Tommy or Timmy had killed her. The Croslins don't know the truth or they would have told it by now. They were set up to take the fall. Ronald never thought in a million years that he would be arrested for drug dealing. He most likely had a friend in the LE department who had been willing to look the other way whenever he was involved. He got way too cocky and arrogant and whoever his friend was before was unwilling to help him out any longer since the case was being scrutinized so closely. Ron's luck ran out.

I can believe Tommy was told Misty killed her but I'm not quite understanding Misty being told Tommy or Timmy killed her..Help me understand your thoughts on the subject... Thanks Lone...
 
I can believe Tommy was told Misty killed her but I'm not quite understanding Misty being told Tommy or Timmy killed her..Help me understand your thoughts on the subject... Thanks Lone...

Yep, you're right. I need to retract the statement about Misty being told Tommy or Timmy killed Haleigh. It just doesn't fit anything I believe. I do believe that Misty was protecting Ronald from the beginning. If Misty indeed wasn't there that night when Ronald killed Haleigh, she may have believed anything that Ronald and mother told her to believe.........for a while anyway.
 
Maybe, but logically speaking, why would someone make up a story that's worse than the truth? I know, I know, lol, logic and these people don't go together, but still. This is one of my problems with the JO story...if Tommy thought that tale would get him a get out of jail free card, IMO, he was sorely mistaken. In his version, he just hung around, (scared out of his wits), and did nothing to save a child or protect his sister and another child. In this story, I didn't have much problem with a scared teenaged girl hiding under the covers, and protecting a child, but I DID have a BIG problem with a big, strapping man doing nothing to stop the murder of a child. IDK what Fl law says, and it may be perfectly legal to watch murders, but I have no doubt that LE would have found something to charge Tommy with. IMO, he wasn't going home. IMO, Tommy knows enough about what's technically legal, to have manipulated a story to his benefit, or so he thought. Listening to him talk to FH and then to his dad, I didn't sense any remorse or regrets or real fear. IMO, he thought he was calling the shots and was home free. The line he kept repeating about him doing something that should have been done a long time ago, sounded so fake and contrived, IMO. It sounded like he came up with a catch phrase, thought it had a good ring to it, and stuck with it. MOO, but remembering his voice, has my blood boiling again. He, who could barely stand to hear Haleigh's name mentioned, all of a sudden was doing the honorable thing? No. And I don't believe he concocted a totally bogus story. Something was there, or LE wouldn't have conducted the search. IMO, Tommy was there that night, and saw and participated in everything. And if the truth comes out, and he really wasn't there, (anything is possible), I'll be floored and then question everything I think I know about human nature. IMO,Tommy is a liar, who has used lies his whole life, to get out of trouble, and i don't think this is any different. MOO.

Try putting Ronald's name in place of Joe's name in the part about Joe putting a gun in Tommy's face and making him help in moving Haleigh's body. I truly believe that Ronald left work that night and conned Tommy into coming over to the Mh where he then stuck a gun to Tommy's head and coerced him into helping.
 
Unless someone actually confesses and LE proves their tale to be true, I'll continue to believe that Tommy was brought into the crime after the fact. I believe that when Ronald called Tommy, he wanted Tommy to come over and help with the cleanup and most likely promised him guns and drugs. I do believe that Tommy solicited help from his brother. From Tommy's actions since the case began, I do believe that he saw a dead Haleigh. I still believe that Misty was at the Magnolia address and was only involved at the very end and then I think that she was brought over to the MH just prior to the 911 call . I in no way believe that anyone in the Cummings side of the family would entrust Haleigh's body to the Croslins. At the very most, the Croslins may have been coerced into taking Haleigh's body to the dumpster to be picked up later by someone in the Cummings family. Tommy was probably told that Misty had killed Haleigh and Misty was probably told that Tommy or Timmy had killed her. The Croslins don't know the truth or they would have told it by now. They were set up to take the fall. Ronald never thought in a million years that he would be arrested for drug dealing. He most likely had a friend in the LE department who had been willing to look the other way whenever he was involved. He got way too cocky and arrogant and whoever his friend was before was unwilling to help him out any longer since the case was being scrutinized so closely. Ron's luck ran out.
I had a semi theory of how Tommy and JO got involved, if Ron was responsible. Say he got home, Misty was gone, and he found that he had been robbed. Because of ongoing problems, he knew Tommy and JO were responsible. In a rage, something happens to Haleigh. He then calls Tommy and says something along the lines of, 'I know you were here, I can prove it. My machine gun is gone and so is my daughter.' Well, Tommy decides that he can't go to cops, because what are the odds that he stole the gun, but NOT Haleigh. He won't be believed, and at the least, he'll be looking at some hefty burglary charges. So, since the case seems unsolvable, he decides to let sleeping dogs lie. By the time he goes to jail, he thinks it's too late for the truth, so he makes up a story blaming JO. I know this isn't likely, and would require a lot of cat and mouse, but it's one of the few ways, I can imagine Tommy not involved...him thinking he would be implicated. JMO
 
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