General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[Whisperer]

Tommy had a light sentence going on. To hold him as long as the other POI (suspects), they called him out in court and told the judge so the judge would give him more time. The fact that they didn't name misty, ron as suspects doesn't mean they weren't.

Hardy said there were SEVERAL suspects in this case.

 

[dodie20]

I went back and reread Hardy's statement, and the article I read, quoted him as saying there were several 'POIs' in this case. Tommy was later named a 'SUSPECT'. I still haven't figured out this LE's language, but there is usually a big difference between a POI and a suspect. I agree that prosecutors might have been playing hardball, to ensure a lengthy sentence, (it's what I thought at 1st), but when Misty wasn't called a suspect, I was surprised. By this point, there was no need to keep so much close to the vest. It was time to pull out all the stops. So, IMO, Tommy being called a suspect, wasn't an act of desperation, misspeak, or an accident. I also don't think the prosecutor took it upon himself, to make claims that weren't true. IMO, this statement alone, would be grounds for an appeal. All Tommy would have to do, is prove WHY he shouldn't be a suspect. He could tell the truth, pass a LDT, and let his attorney handle the rest...and then be resentenced, in an unbiassed hearing, for his drug charges. MOO.

 

[lonetraveler]

I don't know what her deal's all about and my opinion of this "interviewer" is well documented here at WS. Another part of her statement that's flat out wrong is this:



Don't these people realize there are transcripts readily available for practically every episode of NG? I'm certainly no fan of GGM, but she never said anything about putting the laundry away.

I haven't seen nor heard of GGM putting the laundry away either. The most that I've heard from GGM was her stating that Misty came out and helped her carry the laundry into the house and that statement was a change or add-on to her story of just stopping by to bring laundry by and that was a change or add-on to "we went by and the story about seeing the children eating on the front porch and that was a change from the original story of just driving by and waving at the children..............KWIM?:crazy:

 

[Dr. Know?]

I agree that finding the liars in this case about the laundry is important as far as finding out who the liars are, but I've found so many just following her disappearance. It's hard to pick who's the better one.

Has anyone thought of a search area or ideas of where Haleigh could be? I have no clue what searches that have been done since the Shell Harbor one. That search left everyone with the belief Haleigh had been devoured by gators, jmo. Someone or someones know what happened to Haleigh. Shame, shame she's gone, she was just a cute child, she deserved so much more than what she was dealt. whew.. Prayers for Haleigh.

 

[dodie20]

I agree that finding the liars in this case about the laundry is important as far as finding out who the liars are, but I've found so many just following her disappearance. It's hard to pick who's the better one.

Has anyone thought of a search area or ideas of where Haleigh could be? I have no clue what searches that have been done since the Shell Harbor one. That search left everyone with the belief Haleigh had been devoured by gators, jmo. Someone or someones know what happened to Haleigh. Shame, shame she's gone, she was just a cute child, she deserved so much more than what she was dealt. whew.. Prayers for Haleigh.

IDK, but the report of Misty walking around with a garbage bag sure piqued my interest. Also, the dumpster search still has me wondering. I remember reading that its search was based on a tip, and I have a suspicion that since it was a construction dumpster, it might have had something to do with the Croslin drywall business. I'm still confused about who all went to the hospital, when HC was released, and wonder if their route has been searched...looking for a needle in a haystack, I know. Also, Misty's rose story was so weird, that there must be something to it. Surely she didn't make the story up on the spur of the moment. IMO, the story was probably thought up or discussed, ahead of time. In Misty's LVA, she talked about Tommy knowing a lot of out of the way hiding places. Also, Tommy himself, used 'going hunting', as the excuse for 'borrowing' Ron's gun. So, IMO, he had the woods on his mind. I wonder if LE checked out his favorite hunting or hiding spots, for any clues or evidence. IMO, LC could help them out. Most people agree that Tommy was involved to some degree...at the least, involved with a disposal. So, any place that can be connected to him, would be a good place to start. MOO.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I haven't seen nor heard of GGM putting the laundry away either. The most that I've heard from GGM was her stating that Misty came out and helped her carry the laundry into the house and that statement was a change or add-on to her story of just stopping by to bring laundry by and that was a change or add-on to "we went by and the story about seeing the children eating on the front porch and that was a change from the original story of just driving by and waving at the children..............KWIM?:crazy:

:clap: Yep...You're right Lone. 4-5 different stories from GGMS, so I guess they expect us to believe the one she decides to stop with...What a crock!Happy New Year to everyone!

 

[Nonni Brenda]

IDK, but the report of Misty walking around with a garbage bag sure piqued my interest. Also, the dumpster search still has me wondering. I remember reading that its search was based on a tip, and I have a suspicion that since it was a construction dumpster, it might have had something to do with the Croslin drywall business. I'm still confused about who all went to the hospital, when HC was released, and wonder if their route has been searched...looking for a needle in a haystack, I know. Also, Misty's rose story was so weird, that there must be something to it. Surely she didn't make the story up on the spur of the moment. IMO, the story was probably thought up or discussed, ahead of time. In Misty's LVA, she talked about Tommy knowing a lot of out of the way hiding places. Also, Tommy himself, used 'going hunting', as the excuse for 'borrowing' Ron's gun. So, IMO, he had the woods on his mind. I wonder if LE checked out his favorite hunting or hiding spots, for any clues or evidence. IMO, LC could help them out. Most people agree that Tommy was involved to some degree...at the least, involved with a disposal. So, any place that can be connected to him, would be a good place to start. MOO.

Hi Dodie, I remember hearing that Misty told some story about a rose, but never heard the details. I have always wondered about that. Can you remember any of the details of that story. I know it has been a long time...TIA. Brenda

 

[Peachy]

Hi Dodie, I remember hearing that Misty told some story about a rose, but never heard the details. I have always wondered about that. Can you remember any of the details of that story. I know it has been a long time...TIA. Brenda

Hi Brenda!

I couldn't remember the details exact either, but I found this post.

According to several news sources, while Misty was undergoing and completely failing the battery of tests being administered, she made a comment that indicated she may know where to search for Haleigh. She told investigators they needed to double-check a patch of ground marked by a single plastic rose. “She said there was a place that was not searched very well and that we should look for a red rose, and she gave us the location,” said Steph Watts, who recorded the sessions for EquuSearch. “We went and we looked, and we found it, and the next day we took Putnam County investigators back there,” Watts said. “I don’t think they are going to dig where the rose is and find the body, but the fact that they went with us shows that they are following up on every lead.” EquuSearch is making plans to return to the area in the near future.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - The red rose - revisited

 

[Concerned Papa]

Hi Dodie, I remember hearing that Misty told some story about a rose, but never heard the details. I have always wondered about that. Can you remember any of the details of that story. I know it has been a long time...TIA. Brenda

Hi Brenda!

I couldn't remember the details exact either, but I found this post.


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - The red rose - revisited

Thanks Peachy. I remember this discussion well. Once again WebSleuths has tremendous resources, and in this case, one of our members was a volunteer with Texas Equisearch when the search was done for what I believe was the THIRD time of a 12 acre area across Green from the trailer. This is her post describing the search:

Baznme you know I usually agree with you 100% but this time I must take exception on several points. I will snip portions of your post and answer.
Please don't take offense to anything I say just wanted to clear up not only what you said but several others in their post. I know the area of the rose and well were searched completely many times. I don't think she is in that area because of the searches but once the underbrush dies back we may be able to do more. I will gladly go back and search if TM feels it is needed.

Also someone posted the pictures of cars parked at the recreation area, that means nothing it was just a staging area and we were taken to the search area next to the mobile home and left our vehicles there.

Hope this clears up some questions people have about the seriousness of the Haleigh search. Trust me it was a good search! By the way we were not told where in this area the rose was found.

Happy New Year
GrannyL

Then again.....it could be a good thing. There should be protocol followed that entails LE and the search teams working "together" so that one hand knows what the other is doing especially in a case where foul play is suspected.
On the search in the area the rose was found there was a select group of trained searchers approximately 22 (myself included). We had approximantly 12 LE officers with us every step of the way. They walked behind us and reviewed every little piece of anything we found. They had a Crime scene tech on site who reviewed everything. The area was very dense for the most part but very well searched. This was the third or more times TM group had searched the area. I personally know someone who searched the exact area on his on five or six times and he feels certain it's been covered as best it can be.

What areas were searched, It was the area between Green Lane, behind homes on Tyler and Seven Sisters Rd from next to R/R can't remember the road name down to the river. Same area as the well
what the terrain conditions were on that day, how much terrain was "able" to be covered and all signed off by LE as their personnel should accompany each team that goes out, As stated above the terrain was terrible in some areas and easier in others but all areas were searched and signed off by the Detective assigned to Haleighs case and the Sgt assigned they were both there all day with us.

andnot all standing around kibittzing about their training, their gf's or locker room talk. I never saw any if this happening we were way to busy, very hot for them to have time to be "kibittzing".

Also, with each LE Dept., it should be clear that the search organizations that are brought in should not be dictated to as to where they can search and where they can't. Not sure exactly what you are saying here but will answer anyway. LE does determine the areas to search. TM makes his suggestions based on many years of experience and usually LE know he knows what he is doing.

If anything, it should be policed as to WHO searches. As I said we were a select group brought in that day to search. It was not an open call for volunteers.

These weekend warrior people are doing nothing but trudging through terrain that potentially has all the clues but without the proper background info of the case likely are doing more harm than good......this is IMO. This really bothers me a lot. When I met you we were on a search together on the same team and I was the team leader and really didn't know what I was doing except following directions I was given. My first search. We were all doing the best we could back then. It was the first time TM group was in Florida.They had thousands of volunteer searchers so we were not well organized for sure. That has changed!! The group is now a very well trained group with a number of searches under our belts, sad to say. Our training is on going we can always learn. We don't just go into the woods on "real" searches we do mock searchs for training and believe me they are just like the real thing.

The pro's that have been doing this for years and nothing but this for years have the stats according to their own experiences as to how, where and when to search for a more likely successful find. It should be a joint effort. I agree and can honestly say our group is much better qualified than most LE. I consider TM a Pro. I have learned so much since that first day in Orlando and shudder thinking about some of the things we did wrong. I can assure you you will see few errors now when we have the core group searching. I think even when we have hundred or thousands of volunteers our Team Leaders now know exactly what to do if not they will ask questions and find out and direct their teams accordingly. I do know if there is a special area(s) of concern no one is allowed to search in those areas unless they are well trained, usually team leaders only.

I would like to add that the vegetation in Florida is still quite thick although beginning to die back due to the cold spells. When in full bloom, you cannot see a thing in the underbrush. So true it is terrible in some areas like Satsuma. We did not have the same kind of undergrowth in the Somer search in Orange Park just 54 miles north.[/

Sorry this is so long!

I did a map of the area based on what she described:

If I understand you correctly, this would be the area you described for the search:

Bottom line? After searching the same spot of ground three times by either LE and/or TES, nothing was found and it appears to be just more of Misty Croslin's lies and bs.

 

[dodie20]

I guess I should clarify a few things. One of the things that interested me about the rose, is that Misty brought it up at all...and I've wondered why. Sending a search team, where she knew there would be nothing, doesn't make much sense. Maybe, the image of a flower on a grave, was her purpose? Was Misty, in a back door kind of way, admitting that Haleigh was deceased and burried somewhere? I found it very interesting, that a girl who claimed to believe that Haleigh was alive, pointed searchers, to a makeshift grave. I wonder who put the rose there, and why it was put there? Also, how did Misty know about it? Anyway, IMO, there are a lot of questions, that still need to be answered. About Tommy's hiding spots...A lot of people think that Misty was simply throwing her brother under the bus, but I'm not so sure. If he was involved with a disposal, then the site is probably a place familiar to him. Since LC divorced him, I'm assuming, (but I could be wrong), that she might take LE to all of his hunting,/hanging out spots. Even if some things were thrown into the St John's river, there's a good possibility, that other evidence was tossed or buried somewhere else. Misty, walking around with a trash bag, could have meant nothing, but I get the impression that she, among others, was busy getting rid of evidence, in a haphazard way...they seem like 'here, there, everywhere kind of people'. IMO, all the evidence, is not in one place. Surely something was found the next day or the next week that could have been incriminating, and then gotten rid of... unless the crime was premeditated and planned out to the last detail. But, I don't think it was. Which brings me to the dumpster hits. IMO, some kind of transference from Haleigh, was in that dumpster. I would like to see a picture of the search, if anybody has a link. Anyway, Dr Know, asked if we had any ideas about search sites, and I answered with a few things that have been swirling around in my head. MOO

 

[Concerned Papa]

I guess I should clarify a few things. One of the things that interested me about the rose, is that Misty brought it up at all...and I've wondered why. Sending a search team, where she knew there would be nothing, doesn't make much sense. Maybe, the image of a flower on a grave, was her purpose? Was Misty, in a back door kind of way, admitting that Haleigh was deceased and burried somewhere? I found it very interesting, that a girl who claimed to believe that Haleigh was alive, pointed searchers, to a makeshift grave. I wonder who put the rose there, and why it was put there? Also, how did Misty know about it? Anyway, IMO, there are a lot of questions, that still need to be answered. About Tommy's hiding spots...A lot of people think that Misty was simply throwing her brother under the bus, but I'm not so sure. If he was involved with a disposal, then the site is probably a place familiar to him. Since LC divorced him, I'm assuming, (but I could be wrong), that she might take LE to all of his hunting,/hanging out spots. Even if some things were thrown into the St John's river, there's a good possibility, that other evidence was tossed or buried somewhere else. Misty, walking around with a trash bag, could have meant nothing, but I get the impression that she, among others, was busy getting rid of evidence, in a haphazard way...they seem like 'here, there, everywhere kind of people'. IMO, all the evidence, is not in one place. Surely something was found the next day or the next week that could have been incriminating, and then gotten rid of... unless the crime was premeditated and planned out to the last detail. But, I don't think it was. Which brings me to the dumpster hits. IMO, some kind of transference from Haleigh, was in that dumpster. I would like to see a picture of the search, if anybody has a link. Anyway, Dr Know, asked if we had any ideas about search sites, and I answered with a few things that have been swirling around in my head. MOO

Dodie, I don't remember for sure, but weren't the reports of Misty with a trash bag from down around her parents place on Magnolia?

 

[Peachy]

I guess I should clarify a few things. One of the things that interested me about the rose, is that Misty brought it up at all...and I've wondered why. Sending a search team, where she knew there would be nothing, doesn't make much sense. Maybe, the image of a flower on a grave, was her purpose? Was Misty, in a back door kind of way, admitting that Haleigh was deceased and burried somewhere? I found it very interesting, that a girl who claimed to believe that Haleigh was alive, pointed searchers, to a makeshift grave. I wonder who put the rose there, and why it was put there? Also, how did Misty know about it? Anyway, IMO, there are a lot of questions, that still need to be answered. About Tommy's hiding spots...A lot of people think that Misty was simply throwing her brother under the bus, but I'm not so sure. If he was involved with a disposal, then the site is probably a place familiar to him. Since LC divorced him, I'm assuming, (but I could be wrong), that she might take LE to all of his hunting,/hanging out spots. Even if some things were thrown into the St John's river, there's a good possibility, that other evidence was tossed or buried somewhere else. Misty, walking around with a trash bag, could have meant nothing, but I get the impression that she, among others, was busy getting rid of evidence, in a haphazard way...they seem like 'here, there, everywhere kind of people'. IMO, all the evidence, is not in one place. Surely something was found the next day or the next week that could have been incriminating, and then gotten rid of... unless the crime was premeditated and planned out to the last detail. But, I don't think it was. Which brings me to the dumpster hits. IMO, some kind of transference from Haleigh, was in that dumpster. I would like to see a picture of the search, if anybody has a link. Anyway, Dr Know, asked if we had any ideas about search sites, and I answered with a few things that have been swirling around in my head. MOO

Dodie, I haven't found a picture of the search, but here is a short video clip from HLN of the search.
Dogs hit on dumpster for Haleigh Cummings near home - YouTube

 

[Peachy]

Dodie, I don't remember for sure, but weren't the reports of Misty with a trash bag from down around her parents place on Magnolia?

IIRC, the reports were Misty was seen leaving her parents mobile home on Magnolia carrying a trash bad. She was supposedly heading towards Shell Harbor. I don't remember who said it (possibly neighbors), nor do I have a link handy for it.

 

[lonetraveler]

This article has a few lines referring to Misty carrying a trash bag:
"Carl Brown who lives on Shell Harbour Road has heard many stories since he moved to the area about 18 months ago including one that Misty Croslin was seen in the area putting something in a garbage can after the disappearance of HaLeigh."

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2010-04-14/search-scene-questions-anger-and-few-answers

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Hi Brenda!

I couldn't remember the details exact either, but I found this post.


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - The red rose - revisited

Thanks Peachy. All this is coming back to me now. And the well, that was where the rose was? Was this about the same time , or just b4 , the mysterious woman brought a letter to the newspaper ofc. with info about where Haleigh was supposed to be? Was this a red herring, or did anything of use ever come of it?
:waitasec:

 

[dodie20]

This article has a few lines referring to Misty carrying a trash bag:
"Carl Brown who lives on Shell Harbour Road has heard many stories since he moved to the area about 18 months ago including one that Misty Croslin was seen in the area putting something in a garbage can after the disappearance of HaLeigh."

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2010-04-14/search-scene-questions-anger-and-few-answers

Did we ever hear what was in that box? (it was referred to in this article).

 

[Emeralgem]

Just a reminder...
Investigators said they believe the people connected to the case, including Croslin and Haleigh's father, have not told everything they know about what happened...http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news...-story?cid=rss

Imagine that..Link no longer works..

 

[lonetraveler]

Just a reminder...
Investigators said they believe the people connected to the case, including Croslin and Haleigh's father, have not told everything they know about what happened...http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news...-story?cid=rss

Imagine that..Link no longer works..

Yep, I've found that a lot of the articles are missing.

 

[lonetraveler]

Does anyone know why Tommy Croslin was moved to another prison? Protection maybe? Should I dare hope that he might want to give some credible information about who was involved in Haleigh's death and disposal? Will he spill the beans on the Cummings side of the blanket?

 

[Chablis]

Does anyone know why Tommy Croslin was moved to another prison? Protection maybe? Should I dare hope that he might want to give some credible information about who was involved in Haleigh's death and disposal? Will he spill the beans on the Cummings side of the blanket?

Probably not because what really happened to Haleigh and what Tommy and Misty know isnt the REAL truth. jmo