General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[lonetraveler]

I'm not Whisperer but my :twocents:

LE named Misty the "Key" from very early on and it was pointed out hundreds of times that "she was the one babysitting with Haleigh when she disappeared". If Misty and Ronald were not "reconciled" at the time and Ronald picked up Haleigh, then who babysat Haleigh that night? If Misty was supposedly already there, why did Teresa Neves try to pay her to babysit? If Misty was there, why did Teresa Neves send her mother over to check on the children? If Misty was there, why did Ronald makes dozens and dozens of calls/texts trying to find her?

There are two witnesses who saw Ronald at around 6 pm that night but according to Ronald, he was "at werk". Grandma Sykes, after nine days, came forward to say that she went by the house at around 7:30 to 8:00pm and Misty was there. It has been reported that Ronald showed up for work late, did Grandma Sykes come up with this story so that it would look like there was a babysitter for the children ? or to say that Haleigh was alive when she saw her after Ronald supposedly left for work?

I believe that Misty's story was given to her by Ronald/Teresa. She was too stupid to realize that she and her family were being set up for Haleigh's death.

 

[dodie20]

Whisperer, you seem pretty level headed. Explain to me why it makes any difference if Ron or Misty were at the bus stop or not?

I'm not Whisperer either, but I would like to answer your question. IDK why who picked up Haleigh is important, but for people to lie about it, it must play a part in what happened to Haleigh. IMO, JS was a very credible witness. He had no reason to lie about Misty picking Haleigh up, and seemed to know her well enough to not mistake her for someone else. This is what I think...a chain of events led to Haleigh's death, and some link to the chain, happened during the bus stop time. Maybe it's not a big deal, if set aside by itself, but if they tell who was really there, it might force them into having to explain something else and so forth. I've thought this all might have had something to do with a conversation that Misty reportedly had with LC and presumably Tommy...take Misty away from the bus stop, and the conversation didn't happen. Also, JS's gf, reported that she saw Misty smacking a little boy across the face. If this happened, it could show Misty's frame of mind. If she could slap a little boy, in plain view of witnesses, what would she do in private? If she was cranky enough to supposedly argue with LC, and smack a child, then a hypothetical arguement could be made, that Haleigh was next in line. Again, take Misty away from the bus stop, and none of this would have been possible. All theory of course, and MOO. Plenty of people have put Haleigh at home after school, so the odds are slim to none, that Misty murdered her on the way home...but it's not out of the realm of possibility, that Haleigh was injured. Hypothetically speaking, if Misty hurt Haleigh, (hit her in the head with a board for example), and then Ron went to work, knowing Haleigh was hurt, and then Tommy disposed of a deceased or dying child, then they would all be culpable. Do I think this is what happened? Probably not even close, but I was trying to give one example of why I think there might be so many bus stop stories. MOO. Or... Misty being short tempered at the bus stop, added to a reported later arguement with Ron on the phone, doesn't look good for either one of them. But, if Misty is taken away from the bus stop, then her short temper didn't happen. And if the 'arguement' wasn't really an arguement, but her wanting to babysit, even more kids, and he didn't tell her to spank Haleigh....all of these things, could be an example of a chain of events. MOO and theory only.

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm not Whisperer either, but I would like to answer your question. IDK why who picked up Haleigh is important, but for people to lie about it, it must play a part in what happened to Haleigh. IMO, JS was a very credible witness. He had no reason to lie about Misty picking Haleigh up, and seemed to know her well enough to not mistake her for someone else. This is what I think...a chain of events led to Haleigh's death, and some link to the chain, happened during the bus stop time. Maybe it's not a big deal, if set aside by itself, but if they tell who was really there, it might force them into having to explain something else and so forth. I've thought this all might have had something to do with a conversation that Misty reportedly had with LC and presumably Tommy...take Misty away from the bus stop, and the conversation didn't happen. Also, JS's gf, reported that she saw Misty smacking a little boy across the face. If this happened, it could show Misty's frame of mind. If she could slap a little boy, in plain view of witnesses, what would she do in private? If she was cranky enough to supposedly argue with LC, and smack a child, then a hypothetical arguement could be made, that Haleigh was next in line. Again, take Misty away from the bus stop, and none of this would have been possible. All theory of course, and MOO. Plenty of people have put Haleigh at home after school, so the odds are slim to none, that Misty murdered her on the way home...but it's not out of the realm of possibility, that Haleigh was injured. Hypothetically speaking, if Misty hurt Haleigh, (hit her in the head with a board for example), and then Ron went to work, knowing Haleigh was hurt, and then Tommy disposed of a deceased or dying child, then they would all be culpable. Do I think this is what happened? Probably not even close, but I was trying to give one example of why I think there might be so many bus stop stories. MOO. Or... Misty being short tempered at the bus stop, added to a reported later arguement with Ron on the phone, doesn't look good for either one of them. But, if Misty is taken away from the bus stop, then her short temper didn't happen. And if the 'arguement' wasn't really an arguement, but her wanting to babysit, even more kids, and he didn't tell her to spank Haleigh....all of these things, could be an example of a chain of events. MOO and theory only.

I agree with your point. If who picked up Haleigh at the bus stop is irrelevent, then why are people lying about it? That to me means that it does matter.

 

[dodie20]

I agree with your point. If who picked up Haleigh at the bus stop is irrelevent, then why are people lying about it? That to me means that it does matter.

IMO, and from what I can tell, the bus stop is one of the few things that actually points to Misty as the perp...and to Ron in on a cover up. Personally, I think it's possible that Ron covered for Misty. Most people disagree with me, and that's ok, but people have been known to do it. Also, if something also pointed to negligence from him, he might be more likely to cover for Misty...kind of covering for them both. But, I just don't know. Tommy doesn't really fit into any of this, and after his JO story, I do believe he played a very big role. Unless he disposed of a live Haleigh, he would be better off admitting to everything. But for him to have done something so crazy, something more had to be going on. MOO

 

[EastCoast]

Who picked up Haleigh is relevant because it was within the last few hours of her life. I believe that the discrepancy in the school record about her being marked absent or present is because she was late and it was changed at the last minute when Misty claimed to have walked her into the school. No one has a motive to lie about Haleigh getting off the bus and who was there to pick her up, except maybe the ones who are covering up something. I tend to believe the witnesses over the players who have all obviously been lying from the very first day. And just like a poster in the Jon Benet case heard a 911 call, that was never heard again, I will stick to what I heard on a multi media show which I cannot recall now, that I have searched for and cannot find, TN said, well I picked Haleigh up at the bus stop, and Ronald stopped her and said NO, I picked her up from the bus stop. So to me, whatever happened to Haleigh, happened shortly after she got off the bus. And it works out well that now that we know the AC guy was living with GS.















ed and said, no, i picked her up, like it was something they should

 

[Dr. Know?]

Whisperer, you seem pretty level headed. Explain to me why it makes any difference if Ron or Misty were at the bus stop or not?

Wah? Not at you cobia, just the question if you think about any crime. (yes, I said snort earlier but got wise)

 

[Concerned Papa]

Whisperer, you seem pretty level headed. Explain to me why it makes any difference if Ron or Misty were at the bus stop or not?

From the day of her birth on August 17, 2003, until the day she vanished on February 9, 2009, Haleigh Cummings was on this earth two thousand and three (2,003) days. From the day she first met Misty Croslin in late October or early November of 2008 until the day she vanished, Haleigh Cummings had an underage babysitter in her life for the final one hundred (100) of those two thousand and three (2,003) days.

The last known public sighting of Haleigh Cummings was at the bus stop. She was reported missing by this underage babysitter less than 12 hours later.

Twelve hours represents less than 3 hundredth's of one percent of this little girl's life.

I can imagine nothing more important than knowing who she was with for every moment of that final minuscule fraction of her short life, starting at the bus stop.

 

[Maven2379]

I do not know what happened to Haleigh but I hope and pray that 2012 is her year, the year she comes home! The year her family ...... her true family, the family that loves and cherishes her finds her ........

 

[bessie]

Me too, Maven. Happy New Year.

 

[Whisperer]

Ron and misty not only lied about the bus stop @ 3:30, they also lied about the 0800 morning bus stop.

RC says he took her to the bus stop to go to school
JS says rc sped by the bus stop w/Haleigh, almost hitting children on the sidewalk
Misty says she walked Haleigh into her classroom while rc waited in the car.

....see THREE stories..again.

 

[Whisperer]

I was rambling asking about the bus stop @ 3:30. I was thinking that rc stated he was outside the car, standing, when Haleigh jumped into his arms Then he proceeds, once again, to lead us down the path that Haliegh steered the car home. She was on his lap. He narrated more, but I digress.

He tells us both times by description that there was bodily contact w/Haleigh.

My skeptical mind leads me to believe that he wanted to make sure that if any hair and fibers on him or his work clothes were explained away. If that thinking is at all accurate, he either wanted to make sure, he was cleared from any wrongdoing if they were going to accuse him of harming Haleigh. This tells me he had contact w/Haliegh....but when?.

What kind of contact is yet to be determined. My point was RC said she jumped in his arms. Chelsea says he never left the car. JS says misty was in the blue van with some little boys, smacking them. THREE alternatives, once again.

So, if RC didn't have Haleigh jumping in his arms and sitting on his lap, why would he find in necessary to mention it? ONE conclusion is to have a reason for fibers and hair found on his work clothes. He has to be at the bus stop to make this work.

 

[dodie20]

Ron and misty not only lied about the bus stop @ 3:30, they also lied about the 0800 morning bus stop.

RC says he took her to the bus stop to go to school
JS says rc sped by the bus stop w/Haleigh, almost hitting children on the sidewalk
Misty says she walked Haleigh into her classroom while rc waited in the car.

....see THREE stories..again.

there was also Misty's latest story of them putting Haleigh on the bus, and them doing everything they were supposed to do...whatever that means, lol. The fact that she bothered to say, everything they were supposed to do, kind of makes me think they did everything they weren't supposed to do. Then there was the story of going to AS's...for a favorite outfit, or to replace a spilled on shirt, take your pick. And then there's the version RC told JS...that his daughter was missing...until JS corrected his timing. And then there was Jr sleeping the day away, and then another of Misty ducking down in the seat. Haleigh driving home? All lies, IMO. IMO, JS told the simple truth.

 

[lil momma]

IMO, the bus stop is VERY important. Not only b/c it was that evening when HaLeigh was reported missing, (or early the next am) but IMO, b/c they have all lied about something pertaining to the bus stop. If the truth was being told from the get go, then we would know WHO picked her up from the bus stop. Why lie about that? I say the crime happened not too far from where the lies begin. And if the lies begin at the bus stop, my guess is that something happened to HaLeigh right after she stepped foot off that school bus. JMO.

 

[dodie20]

IMO, the bus stop is VERY important. Not only b/c it was that evening when HaLeigh was reported missing, (or early the next am) but IMO, b/c they have all lied about something pertaining to the bus stop. If the truth was being told from the get go, then we would know WHO picked her up from the bus stop. Why lie about that? I say the crime happened not too far from where the lies begin. And if the lies begin at the bus stop, my guess is that something happened to HaLeigh right after she stepped foot off that school bus. JMO.

I agree. Which brings me to a problem. If Misty did something to Haleigh, on the way home, Ron would've/should've known, and I have a hard time picturing events unfolding as they did...him going on to work, stopping for cigs, going through the motions of the 911, being mad at Misty, her leaving and staying at her moms. If he called Tommy to help with a disposal, why oh why, didn't he just say so, instead of blaming JO? For that matter, if Misty called asking for help, why didn't he admit it? How does Jr's account fit into this? On the other hand, if Ron did something to Haleigh, I can't figure out why they would all lie about the bus stop. That doesn't make sense. But, for the 1st scenario to be close, Ron would have had to cover for Misty, from the very beginning...and I don't see that at all. IMO, he didn't start covering for her, (if he did), until after she came back from her mother's. Unless what really happened, is something in between. Maybe he knew Haleigh was injured, but went on to work, and everything that happened later, happened behind his back? Or if his and Misty's last conversation was of him telling her to spank Haleigh, he put 2 and 2 together, after he got home? None of this explains Tommy blaming JO. What I really think might have happened is this...some kind of exchange happened at the bus stop, Misty got home, Ron went to work, THEN something happened to Haleigh... something that Misty had a big part in, but wasn't entirely her fault. Ron got home, and knew this wasn't a typical abduction. She went to her mother's, he saw and believed her tears, took her back, and started harbouring her...and started covering for whatever her role was. I'm rambling, I know, but if Misty killed Haleigh, I don't believe Ron would have taken her back. Also, there were times, when I got the impression that he was trying to protect her from her family. All of this is just MOO and theory, in an attempt to explain the bus stop stories. MOO.

 

[dodie20]

If Ron was responsible, I can't think of a logical reason, for Tommy blaming JO. The only reason I can think of for him blaming JO instead of Misty, is that it would be extremely hard for a brother to snitch on his sister. But after so much time, and so many instances of her pointing at him, I just don't understand the loyalty. Anybody, and I don't care who you are, would choose clearing his own name, over rotting in prison...wouldn't he? especially, if it wouldn't really affect her circumatances, but help him immensely. I was wondering something. Did we ever hear their parents tell them to not lie for the other one? Did H or L ever say something like, 'If you're lying for your sister/brother, STOP!" I heard H blame Misty for Tommy's problems, but I never heard him outright accuse her of murder. MOO

 

[lil momma]

I agree. Which brings me to a problem. If Misty did something to Haleigh, on the way home, Ron would've/should've known, and I have a hard time picturing events unfolding as they did...him going on to work, stopping for cigs, going through the motions of the 911, being mad at Misty, her leaving and staying at her moms. If he called Tommy to help with a disposal, why oh why, didn't he just say so, instead of blaming JO? For that matter, if Misty called asking for help, why didn't he admit it? How does Jr's account fit into this? On the other hand, if Ron did something to Haleigh, I can't figure out why they would all lie about the bus stop. That doesn't make sense. But, for the 1st scenario to be close, Ron would have had to cover for Misty, from the very beginning...and I don't see that at all. IMO, he didn't start covering for her, (if he did), until after she came back from her mother's. Unless what really happened, is something in between. Maybe he knew Haleigh was injured, but went on to work, and everything that happened later, happened behind his back? Or if his and Misty's last conversation was of him telling her to spank Haleigh, he put 2 and 2 together, after he got home? None of this explains Tommy blaming JO. What I really think might have happened is this...some kind of exchange happened at the bus stop, Misty got home, Ron went to work, THEN something happened to Haleigh... something that Misty had a big part in, but wasn't entirely her fault. Ron got home, and knew this wasn't a typical abduction. She went to her mother's, he saw and believed her tears, took her back, and started harbouring her...and started covering for whatever her role was. I'm rambling, I know, but if Misty killed Haleigh, I don't believe Ron would have taken her back. Also, there were times, when I got the impression that he was trying to protect her from her family. All of this is just MOO and theory, in an attempt to explain the bus stop stories. MOO.

Hi dodie!

BBM

I 100% agree that if Misty was solely the only person involved then Ron wouldn't have taken her back.

Back to the bus stop..... I am just bouncing off your theory

If there was some sort of exchange at the bus stop, wouldn't the witnesses have told that there were words or a scuffle? Even the bus stop witnesses have me confused.(lol) and of course the million dollar question right now, is what was this exchange about? Why does it seem EVERYONE involved is scrabling that morning/evening/afternoon? So exactly what was going on, on Green Lane, prior to HaLeigh stepping foot off that bus? What happened during the day while HaLeigh was at school? (i had never thought of this before) Wow, i have that spinning feeling in my head again....lol

it just makes me so mad that these people want to just sit in jail while a poor lil girl is out there somewhere, just to save their own rear ends. How about taking a little responsibility for once.... JMO

 

[dodie20]

IMO, there's something wrong with the idea of all these people lying for Misty. It's possible, but it would mean that Ron loved Misty so much, (more than he wanted justice for Haleigh), and Tommy felt such loyalty to Misty, (more than he did for his wife and own kids). At some point, surely their parents would have told him to save himself. Something happened at the bus stop/after school, but IMO, Misty's bad temper wasn't enough reason for all the lies. LC and Tommy were tentatively put at the bus stop, by a witness. He, himself said he didn't go to work that day, so IMO, he was probably at the stop. Tommy seems to always be where the action is, so I'm thinking the lies have something to do with him. Also, I'm not buying CC's story of picking up his kids, (at least, I think that's what she claimed, in her roundabout way), so IMO, getting Tommy away from the bus stop, seems to have been her purpose. MOO.

 

[dodie20]

After listening to JS's interview, it looks like Ron racing by the bus stop that morning, and then Misty arguing with LC about bad dope, that afternoon, has something to do with Haleigh's death. LE said that RC isn't being truthful, and IMO, that statement was made because of the all of the bus stop stories. IMO, CC needs to be reinterviewed, because her story of smoking and sitting on her car, trying to get Ron's attention, doesn't make a lick of sense..neither does her 1st tale of being mad at RC, because he wouldn't let her see Haleigh. Later, she said that Haleigh talked to her daughter, and even blew a kiss. (omg, which is it?) She then claimed she was mad at RC, because HE did not acknowledge HER. whatever...Anyway, it looks like the people who were actually at the bus stop, are denying being there, and people who weren't there, are claiming they were. What a mess. From what I can tell, somebody is responsible for Haleigh's death, and the others have lied and hindered the investigation. MOO.

 

[Snowbunny]

If Misty had been around in the first place then why was it TN was calling around trying to find Misty to come and babysit? To this day, I don't think Misty was even there until the wee hours of the morning when the neighbor lady saw Misty out in the yard on her cell phone crying and screaming and this was supposibly before RC got home from work. This is the time when I figured that Misty found out about HaLeigh.

 

[dodie20]

I still think Misty was gone, at least part of the night. We didn't hear a peep about AS's visit, until LE said they had reason to think, Misty wasn't there. THEN we hear about AS seeing her, and how she fixed dinner, and how Ron was at work, ... Well, wherever she was, and whatever she was doing, must be Bad!!! or else she would have owned up to it by now. As many stories as Misty has told, she has never, (not 1 time), said she was gone! And that would be a lie, worth taking a chance on. MOO.